Pro12: any news?

Sin é wrote:

Chunky Norwich wrote:

Neutralee wrote:

I'm confused, havn't the Welsh media basically supplemented the league for years?

Shhhhh. The Irish don't like to talk about the Welsh subsidising their rugby.

If anyone is subsidising the PRO12, its the BBC Licence fee's, most of which could from English people, not Welsh, Scottish or N Irish.

HammerofThunor wrote:There was talk that the 'new' BBC deal was going to be about half what it was before due to Sky getting the primary rights.  The new BBCW deal (which includes S4C) is supposed to be about £3.5M.  So if you double that then previous the Welsh TV was worth about £7M. Not far off 60%.

That's just a rough guess though.

Sin é wrote:

Chunky Norwich wrote:

Neutralee wrote:

I'm confused, havn't the Welsh media basically supplemented the league for years?

Shhhhh. The Irish don't like to talk about the Welsh subsidising their rugby.

If anyone is subsidising the PRO12, its the BBC Licence fee's, most of which could from English people, not Welsh, Scottish or N Irish.

Cyril wrote:

Chunky Norwich wrote:

Cyril wrote:Does anybody (other than American tourists) actually drink Guinness? It's 'orrible stuff.

They have a history of some good adverts but it wouldn't tempt me to drink any of their product.

More of a Carlsberg, Fosters, Carling, Strongbow man are you?

God no! I don't drink lager or cider.

Proper ale is the way forward. Preferably local micro-breweries. Being a Yorkshireman means there's a cracking choice round here. None of your mass-produced tourist muck

HammerofThunor wrote:

Sin é wrote:

Chunky Norwich wrote:

Neutralee wrote:

I'm confused, havn't the Welsh media basically supplemented the league for years?

Shhhhh. The Irish don't like to talk about the Welsh subsidising their rugby.

If anyone is subsidising the PRO12, its the BBC Licence fee's, most of which could from English people, not Welsh, Scottish or N Irish.

Not really. It comes out of the BBCW regional budget. Although there are plenty of English people living in Wales the vast majority would be Welsh (and would be balanced out by Welsh people in England).

Chunky Norwich wrote:-Why is it appropriate for the Scottish Clubs operating in the Union’s ERC competition to receive an approximate distribution of €2.45m per team when the Welsh Regions receive only €1.225m per team?
-Why is it appropriate for the Italian teams operating in the same competition to receive approximately €2.3m per team?
-With the English clubs being able to negotiate TV revenues of £22m from their domestic league, why are the Unions only able to achieve revenue of £5.5m for primary TV rights for the RaboDirect Pro12 league?
-With the significant proposed contribution of £3.2m from Welsh television to secondary TV rights for Pro12, why is the estimated contribution from Irish TV only £910,000 and from Scottish TV only £140,000?
-Based on all of the above, have imbalances or subsidies built up in TV revenues between the various International and Club competitions negotiated by the Unions and if so, how did this arise?
-If this is the case, how can it be corrected going forward to ensure the Regions have the resources to retain and grow the pool of Welsh Professional players to adequately service the Professional game and the Welsh National team?  

Sin é wrote:

Rugby is the Welsh national sport so the BBC as a public service broadcaster would have to have a certain amount on FTA tv. I presume that is why unlike England for instance, they can't sell off the media rights to the highest bidder for the Autumn Internationals.

Neutralee wrote:I brought this up before on the euro thread, If the PRL want the English clubs to receive a similar value to the Celtic clubs through restructuring the euro comp to benefit the English clubs, then whats to stop the Welsh regions doing the same?

For all the slating the Welsh regions get they are in a difficult position, the screw is turning on them through lesser competitive funds from the European game, the Rabo league is funded by Welsh media money however they are receiving half the funds the Scottish and Italians get, they don't have the benefit the Irish clubs do of being euro based, and their governing body wants total control of their players...

You have to feel for the owners of these regions to a point, they are not getting much assistance to become competitive from any angle!

Chunky Norwich wrote:

Sin é wrote:

Rugby is the Welsh national sport so the BBC as a public service broadcaster would have to have a certain amount on FTA tv. I presume that is why unlike England for instance, they can't sell off the media rights to the highest bidder for the Autumn Internationals.

How do you define a national sport? Loads more people in Wales play and watch soccer every week.

I don't know where you're going with the Autumn Internationals being sold off. It's not a "protected"  FTA event.

A national sport or national pastime is a sport or game that is considered to be an intrinsic part of the culture of a nation. Some sports are de facto (not established by law) national sports, as baseball is in the United States and cricket is in England, while others are de jure (established by law) national sports, as lacrosse and ice hockey are in Canada.

Sin é wrote:

Neutralee wrote:I brought this up before on the euro thread, If the PRL want the English clubs to receive a similar value to the Celtic clubs through restructuring the euro comp to benefit the English clubs, then whats to stop the Welsh regions doing the same?

For all the slating the Welsh regions get they are in a difficult position, the screw is turning on them through lesser competitive funds from the European game, the Rabo league is funded by Welsh media money however they are receiving half the funds the Scottish and Italians get, they don't have the benefit the Irish clubs do of being euro based, and their governing body wants total control of their players...

You have to feel for the owners of these regions to a point, they are not getting much assistance to become competitive from any angle!

Why should being Euro based make any difference?

The Irish Provinces are controlled by the IRFU - it doesn't seem to disadvantage the provinces too much.

Perhaps if the Welsh regions put a little effort into marketing themselves a bit better, stopped slagging off the PRO12 and got their fans to go to games, they might not be so reliant on
handouts from the WRU.

Chunky Norwich wrote:

Sin é wrote:

Neutralee wrote:I brought this up before on the euro thread, If the PRL want the English clubs to receive a similar value to the Celtic clubs through restructuring the euro comp to benefit the English clubs, then whats to stop the Welsh regions doing the same?

For all the slating the Welsh regions get they are in a difficult position, the screw is turning on them through lesser competitive funds from the European game, the Rabo league is funded by Welsh media money however they are receiving half the funds the Scottish and Italians get, they don't have the benefit the Irish clubs do of being euro based, and their governing body wants total control of their players...

You have to feel for the owners of these regions to a point, they are not getting much assistance to become competitive from any angle!

Why should being Euro based make any difference?

The Irish Provinces are controlled by the IRFU - it doesn't seem to disadvantage the provinces too much.

Perhaps if the Welsh regions put a little effort into marketing themselves a bit better, stopped slagging off the PRO12 and got their fans to go to games, they might not be so reliant on
handouts from the WRU.

A handout is something you get free.

Sin é wrote:

Neutralee wrote:I brought this up before on the euro thread, If the PRL want the English clubs to receive a similar value to the Celtic clubs through restructuring the euro comp to benefit the English clubs, then whats to stop the Welsh regions doing the same?

For all the slating the Welsh regions get they are in a difficult position, the screw is turning on them through lesser competitive funds from the European game, the Rabo league is funded by Welsh media money however they are receiving half the funds the Scottish and Italians get, they don't have the benefit the Irish clubs do of being euro based, and their governing body wants total control of their players...

You have to feel for the owners of these regions to a point, they are not getting much assistance to become competitive from any angle!

Why should being Euro based make any difference?

The Irish Provinces are controlled by the IRFU - it doesn't seem to disadvantage the provinces too much.

Perhaps if the Welsh regions put a little effort into marketing themselves a bit better, stopped slagging off the PRO12 and got their fans to go to games, they might not be so reliant on
handouts from the WRU.

Sin é wrote:

The Welsh Regions are looking for money from the WRU but don't want to give the WRU anything back in return.

Neutralee wrote:

Sin é wrote:

Neutralee wrote:I brought this up before on the euro thread, If the PRL want the English clubs to receive a similar value to the Celtic clubs through restructuring the euro comp to benefit the English clubs, then whats to stop the Welsh regions doing the same?

For all the slating the Welsh regions get they are in a difficult position, the screw is turning on them through lesser competitive funds from the European game, the Rabo league is funded by Welsh media money however they are receiving half the funds the Scottish and Italians get, they don't have the benefit the Irish clubs do of being euro based, and their governing body wants total control of their players...

You have to feel for the owners of these regions to a point, they are not getting much assistance to become competitive from any angle!

Why should being Euro based make any difference?

The Irish Provinces are controlled by the IRFU - it doesn't seem to disadvantage the provinces too much.

Perhaps if the Welsh regions put a little effort into marketing themselves a bit better, stopped slagging off the PRO12 and got their fans to go to games, they might not be so reliant on
handouts from the WRU.

I've noticed your comments are pretty one eyed of late, but that is pretty ignorant.

Even someon not from europe can see advantages and disadvantages of being Dublin based, not to mention recognising difficulties each nation has with growing the game and being competitive.

You sound like a spoilt little rich kid 'I want a new bike, I want a PS4, so what if poor kids can't have them, their parents should work harder to give them more stuff' Not an attractive quality!

Sin é wrote:Rugby is the Welsh national sport so the BBC as a public service broadcaster would have to have a certain amount on FTA tv. I presume that is why unlike England for instance, they can't sell off the media rights to the highest bidder for the Autumn Internationals.

I'd imagine there are quite a few Irish people living in the UK paying BBC licences who like to tune into the Pro12 on BBC Wales as well.

Chunky Norwich wrote:

Neutralee wrote:

I'm confused, havn't the Welsh media basically supplemented the league for years?

Shhhhh. The Irish don't like to talk about the Welsh subsidising their rugby.