Can Brook v Khan Sell Out Wembley?

Khan has said: " Having the fight in the UK would be amazing. I'd like it somewhere such as Wembley Stadium which I think would be a quick sell out."

Hearn has said the fight will be massive and what the British public want.

Can Matchroom repeat the Wembley trick?

Nah, don't think so.

I doubt it sells 80,000 on first instance. Maybe on a rematch if they are willing to fork out for Howard Foster.

Rather see it take place in a packed out arena with a red hot audience than a stadium less than full capacity.

It will sell well

but Khan will play with Brook. TBH Brook looked 1 dimensional. Lead right and check left hook were all he showcased but it was enough to beat a terrible Porter. Brook's best attribute last night was his toughness to stand up to the swarming style of Porter but Khan will be too quick for Brook and will box him from the outside.

Well done to Brook. I switched off thinking he had not done enough to win the fight and went to bed. Just got up and see Brook got the decision.

It might sell well, if it shifts 30,000 that's a helluva lot of tickets but Wembley would look empty and the running costs wouldn't make sense. Stick it in an arena.

Brook did well without being anything special. Porter is an awkward guy. I think Porter last night would have beaten Khan.

Brook v Khan is a different fight though. Id liketo see it.

Dipper Brown wrote:It might sell well, if it shifts 30,000 that's a helluva lot of tickets but Wembley would look empty and the running costs wouldn't make sense. Stick it in an arena.

Agree with this.

An arena is the safest bet for sure, Froch and Groves only sold that many tickets because of the outcome of the first fight

It will sell very well, but i think it will be over the first time a full fledged, strong and powerful Welterweight like Brook lands a big shot and it would prove to be an anticlimax. Last night Brook landed several shots on Porter that would have put Khan away and Khan is easier to hit than Porter.

Can't see it myself. Big enough to be a stadium fight and draw 30-odd thousand, but never a Wembley gig.

Neither have got the fan base of a Froch and neither have the gift of the gab to sell a fight and evoke passionate responses from people (be they good or bad) like Groves did when he was selling the rematch. Moreover, the controversy from the first fight helped make Froch-Groves II so enormous. Nothing like that between Khan and Brook yet.

I think we've all been a bit spoilt by the Froch-Groves rematch if we're expecting something like Khan-Brook to be on the same level. But nevertheless it's a very big domestic showdown and would be fantastic business for all concerned.

I don't like the idea of Brammell Lane either. I don't mind massive fights being in huge multi purpose stadia, to accommodate the demand for tickets. But a fight in a football stadium just because one of the fighters supports the club is a bit naff for me. Same goes for Froch at the City ground.

I think Khan Brook could potentially be a better version of what we saw last night. Khan would bring 'intelligent aggression' (I think that's the phrase I heard earlier), his hand speed would be a nightmare for Brook and I think he'd ship a lot of punishment. He'd punch on the way in rather than just burrowing in with the head like Porter.

On the other hand, Brook seemed troubled by Porter roughing him up on the inside. Khan won't be able to bother him at all with that.

Head gives it to Khan. Wide UD with Brook taking a hell of a lot of punishment. Puncher's chance for Brook though and we know all about Khan's vulnerability and lapses in concentration.

This fight can sell out Wembley, and I think it will. Well done Kell! I didn't think you'd do it, but am very happy to be wrong!

Khan has some cross over appeal still, but given there isn't an ounce of charisma between them, I'd think this was a risk for a big stadium fight.

Stylistically, I like khan in this match up, but brook is stronger and more natural at the weight and khans chin is always an equaliser. Bit of a Pickem for me and could be a cracking fight.

Actually thought khan gave brook plenty of credit last night and conducts himself with more maturity in front of the cameras these days. And he is right that brook brought little to the table before but does know.

Is there an option for "I hope not"? I'd like to see it but after Froch v Groves 2 I'm convinced that boxing and Wembley stadium don't mix that well. I spent my time ducking low to see the big screen and flicking from ring to tv all night and we were in OK seats. I came away underwhelmed, although still glad I went for the historical occasion. I honestly think I'd have enjoyed the actual fight more with a beer at home.

Not sure if this could do Wembley but I think Khan has a decent fan base and is well known. Brooks stock has just shot up, despite people playing the Porter win down a little by saying Porter was crude and one-dimensional after last night he was still on the brink of stardom in the U.S.

Then there's Eddie who could probably sell a months supply of slim fast to Mick Hennessey... Although he'll never sell a boxing ticket to you strongback, but who knows? Maybe.

DuransHorse wrote:

Then there's Eddie who could probably sell a months supply of slim fast to Mick Hennessey... Although he'll never sell a boxing ticket to you strongback,  but who knows?  Maybe.

I'd pay to see Haye v prime Sonny Liston.

See, I missed out on tickets for Froch Groves 2 and wondered if it would be worth it. I was envious of the big fight feel and atmosphere watching it on TV though.

It's about the casuals. They will probably go for it.

Wembley is a big ask for khan v brook. It's been simmering along time, but that's only know by boxing nerds. Sean calls it best, it depends on casuals, I'd guess most folk outside of Sheffield have just heard of kell brook and if they watched brook porter, they wouldn't understand the skill level needed to neutralise porter, and just think, "sh t that was boring". 
Kell v khan to put 40,000 in the macron stadium. The problem is, both will need a fight before next summer, and also khan thinks he's in the picture for mayweather in May.

There seems a lot of stateside chatter for thurman v brook next. Porter v thurman had been on a collision course, now derailed by brook. That might not end well for brook. Someone needs to go Samson on Thurman's hair.

jimdig wrote:and also khan thinks he's in the picture for mayweather in May.

This is a fair point Jim, first thing I would say is if this fight is to happen Old Trafford or the Ethiad would make more sense, both are northerners and what support they have is northern based. Also these stadiums are a more realistic size. However when can the fight sensibly happen? Brook is going to be out for at least three months, which puts us into November. Is a hardy or downright foolish promoter who is putting a fight on outdoors in the UK in November. Also if it rolls over into next summer is Khan going to be interested? My guess is come that time his focus will be on getting the Mayweather gig in May.

ONETWOFOREVER wrote:

Dipper Brown wrote:It might sell well, if it shifts 30,000 that's a helluva lot of tickets but Wembley would look empty and the running costs wouldn't make sense. Stick it in an arena.

Agree with this.

An arena is the safest bet for sure, Froch and Groves only sold that many tickets because of the outcome of the first fight

Ditto, see it doing 20-30k (providing Kell & Khan both get at least one exciting bout in inbetween and some needle builds). Won't do a Wembley unless, like FGII, something massively controversial happens in the first fight.

Two Northern lads with a big following in Lancashire/Manchester/Yorkshire. I think it's more likely to sell out Old Trafford or City of Manchester stadium.

Brook has decent support in Sheffield, sold out Sheffield arena against Matthew Hatton, and that holds 12,000. Issue in Sheffield is there are no bigger venues that are really appropriate. Both football grounds are a bit on the tired side, also in the case of Hillsborough, it is pretty far out of town from the perspective of hotels etc.

OT is almost the size of Wembley, and Etihad isn't far behind, so both would be too big IMO.

Unfortunate as MEN would be too small.

Bolton's stadium is modern though and holds 28k in the stands so presumably could hit that 35k sweet spot incluing pitch seating.

TopHat24/7 wrote:OT is almost the size of Wembley, and Etihad isn't far behind, so both would be too big IMO.

Unfortunate as MEN would be too small.

Bolton's stadium is modern though and holds 28k in the stands so presumably could hit that 35k sweet spot incluing pitch seating.

United Fan?

'ish'.

Though I'm not sure I see/understand your point....?

Oh, just checked, thought Wembley was 80k, not 90k, that what's behind your 'United fan' comment??

My original point still stands though, OT too big by far.

To be fair I prefer an indoor arena as opposed to an outdoor stadium.

Seems to hold a better atmosphere...

I'm talking based on being at a few bug fights although never been to an outdoor one so can't compare.

I just find it hard to beat.

Phones 4 U arena would be great.

Big. Not bug. Stupid phone!!

No it won't fill out Wembley................For one thing they are both Northern lads.......

2. Brook is only just starting to get recognised..

3. Khan is marmite....

4. They haven't got a first fight-superfight......To sell the second !!...Froch-Groves only sold big because of the first fight..

The OP has only written this to try to poor p**s on Brook and Khan...As he knows wembley won't sell....

He's so transparent it's embarrassing..............

Feel sorry for him he's so bitter..

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:
He's so transparent it's embarrassing..............

And the award for ironic comment of the day goes to...........

TopHat24/7 wrote:

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:
He's so transparent it's embarrassing..............

And the award for ironic comment of the day goes to...........

Who ??

You, big guy, congratulations

I didn't think it would be Chris..   

Of course it wouldn't be.

He's not the most blatantly transparent person to use this forum. That's a toss up between you and Strongy.

TopHat24/7 wrote:Of course it wouldn't be..

You got that right....  

I think it has a shot a Wembley, Truss, mostly ont he back of the success Froch v Groves was. Brits have an appetite for this sort of thing. Problem for me is Khan. He has fought in Britain so sparingly that his support there has dwindled. Brook could bring 25,000 IMO. Khan of five years back could prob bring more than that and casuals would do the rest. Hearn could sell this, but we would need to see Khan back in GB before then. As it stands, this would sell 35-40,000 IMO. With the right amount of tweaking and endless SKY Sports shows featuring the two, it could do more.

Groves - Froch 1 was a superfight and controversial..........Also featured a Londoner and a PPV fighter...

No way...........Does Brook - Khan sell at Wembley.

You might be right, but I am an optimist. Also, I believe many many casuals would flock, partly onthe back of groves v Froch II. That fight probably could have sold 100,000. You never know, Truss. SKY will bang the drum like nobody's business.

Optimist....Isn't spelt how it sounds..

But it's better to be one of them...

Than a pessimist..like Catchy.

Just a typo, the keys are next to each other. But I am one.

TopHat24/7 wrote:'ish'.

Though I'm not sure I see/understand your point....?

Londoner being a United fan and all that.

BTW I wasn't inferring United fans are generally dicks.

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:No it won't fill out Wembley................For one thing they are both Northern lads.......

2. Brook is only just starting to get recognised..

3. Khan is marmite....

4. They haven't got a first fight-superfight......To sell the second !!...Froch-Groves only sold big because of the first fight..

The OP has only written this to try to poor p**s on Brook and Khan...As he knows wembley won't sell....

He's so transparent it's embarrassing..............

Feel sorry for him he's so bitter..

Not everybody is as big a dick as you. That effects your ability to see that this is a genuine thread.

Think people forget Froch Groves 1 sold out the MEN in less than 15 minutes, that could have been held at a smaller football ground itself.

Plus I remember when this happened, and bare in mind that this was a couple of years ago and Brook is far more well known now and Khan had recently lost, the reaction to just this little spat on ringside went crazy and was actually trending on Twitter. Think this fight sells a lot better than most give it credit for.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9lh6UPyTeCY

Oh yeah and that minor argument on ringside got as many views on Youtube as Froch's push on Groves.

Froch Groves 1 sold 20,000 tickets in 15 mins, therefore could easily have sold out the Etihad IMO. Thinks this fight is just as big and sells 50,000 tickets easy, probably 70,000.

I think part of the problem with Wembley may well be due to reasons that DuransHorse stated. Whilst I didn't go to Froch Groves II myself, I know a few who did and they said along the lines of "I'm glad I went for the experience but the view was rubbish so I probably wouldn't do it again". If you cast out the network of people who wither went / know someone who went to F/G II then that's quite a significant proprtion of the boxing/casual fans in this country. On that basis alone, Wembley wouldn't fill. When you add in the points already made regarding them having lesser profile and/or charisma and a lack of a first thrilling/controversial fight then unfortuantely this fight would need to be somehwere smaller.

Bigger than MEN but smaller then Wembley.

I know a few who did and they said along the lines of "I'm glad I went for the experience but the view was rubbish so I probably wouldn't do it again".

Had those people ever been to boxing before?

I'm guessing maybe not. The view was comparable to the Warren Magnifcent 7 show I saw at Wembley Arena, for example. Only other events I've been to were a small hall show and one where I was ringside, so not really comparable.

FGII atmosphere blew the socks off any live event I've ever been to before, including football and rugby.