Kell Brook Vs. The Welterweights
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Kell Brook Vs. The Welterweights
1.) Brook Vs. Mayweather - Don't think Brook could beat Floyd, think his style which relies mostly on his timing and slow approach would be outfoxed by Floyd. Think Kell generally likes fighters who box at a similar pace to Floyd, but not quite at floyds level. Floyd UD but Brook puts in a strong performance and shows he's most certainly no mug.
2.) Kell Brook Vs Pacquiao - Unsure on this one really, think Brook goes in as a slight underdog but would perhaps fancy him to pull off an upset in this one. Think he could time Pacquiao on this outside well and if he can box to a good gameplan his counterpunching ability could really work for him. Think he's probably a fair bit stronger on the inside than Manny aswell as he is a big strong Welterweight. Tough to call, depends on how much Manny has regressed but would pick him to win by a close UD, but feel Kell has a chance in this one.
3.) Kell Brook Vs. Amir Khan - Tough fight for both, don't think Kell is a destructive puncher or anything but Khan is probably about as strong in the chin department as Senchenko and as soon as he took one clean, he was taken apart and could see a similar thing happening here. Khan most certainly has the ability to outbox Brook, but I think perhaps that is vice versa as I still think Brook has another gear that he can go to if needs be that he hasn't yet shown. Brook KO.
4.) Kell Brook Vs. Keith Thurman - Genuinely tough 50/50 fight this one. Thurman is there to be hit, we don't know how good Thurmans chin is just yet, been down once in his career but no one other than the people in the arena have seen it, it seems. Brook seems to have a pretty solid chin but if Thurman starts landing flush on it I don't think anyone could survive it. Most certainly think Brook has the correct style and hits hard enough to make Thurman at least respect him but could probably genuinely hurt him also. Don't think Thurman could technically outbox Kell, but maybe outwork him or grind him down... Think Thurman perhaps get to him but it really does depend... Thurman TKO but could just as easily be a Brook UD.
5.) Kell Brook Vs. Devon Alexander - For me Devon Alexander just doesn't have that special quality about him that you just can't seem to place your finger on. Quick, ok power, good technical boxing ability but pretty much every single performance he has put on has failed to capture the imagination for me. The terribly timid performance against Bradley, gassing and in my view losing to Andreas Kotelnik, against Shawn Porter he simply couldn't hold him off of him. His only seriously impressive win was agaisnt Maidana, however Maidana didn't really train or seemingly try in this fight and was about to quit boxing after the fight so I don't really know how much stock it truly holds. Think that Kell beats him, just too good at timing on the outside and just if the going ever got tough, Kell out toughs him in every month of Sundays. UD Kell.
6.) Kell Brook Vs. Brandon Rios - Whilst this is a pretty decent fight I really can only see one winner. And thats Brook, Rios is most certainly there to be outboxed and is pretty slow and I think Kells timing will be way too much for him. One sided UD to Kell.
Anyone agree with these and any others I can't think off of the top of my head?
2.) Kell Brook Vs Pacquiao - Unsure on this one really, think Brook goes in as a slight underdog but would perhaps fancy him to pull off an upset in this one. Think he could time Pacquiao on this outside well and if he can box to a good gameplan his counterpunching ability could really work for him. Think he's probably a fair bit stronger on the inside than Manny aswell as he is a big strong Welterweight. Tough to call, depends on how much Manny has regressed but would pick him to win by a close UD, but feel Kell has a chance in this one.
3.) Kell Brook Vs. Amir Khan - Tough fight for both, don't think Kell is a destructive puncher or anything but Khan is probably about as strong in the chin department as Senchenko and as soon as he took one clean, he was taken apart and could see a similar thing happening here. Khan most certainly has the ability to outbox Brook, but I think perhaps that is vice versa as I still think Brook has another gear that he can go to if needs be that he hasn't yet shown. Brook KO.
4.) Kell Brook Vs. Keith Thurman - Genuinely tough 50/50 fight this one. Thurman is there to be hit, we don't know how good Thurmans chin is just yet, been down once in his career but no one other than the people in the arena have seen it, it seems. Brook seems to have a pretty solid chin but if Thurman starts landing flush on it I don't think anyone could survive it. Most certainly think Brook has the correct style and hits hard enough to make Thurman at least respect him but could probably genuinely hurt him also. Don't think Thurman could technically outbox Kell, but maybe outwork him or grind him down... Think Thurman perhaps get to him but it really does depend... Thurman TKO but could just as easily be a Brook UD.
5.) Kell Brook Vs. Devon Alexander - For me Devon Alexander just doesn't have that special quality about him that you just can't seem to place your finger on. Quick, ok power, good technical boxing ability but pretty much every single performance he has put on has failed to capture the imagination for me. The terribly timid performance against Bradley, gassing and in my view losing to Andreas Kotelnik, against Shawn Porter he simply couldn't hold him off of him. His only seriously impressive win was agaisnt Maidana, however Maidana didn't really train or seemingly try in this fight and was about to quit boxing after the fight so I don't really know how much stock it truly holds. Think that Kell beats him, just too good at timing on the outside and just if the going ever got tough, Kell out toughs him in every month of Sundays. UD Kell.
6.) Kell Brook Vs. Brandon Rios - Whilst this is a pretty decent fight I really can only see one winner. And thats Brook, Rios is most certainly there to be outboxed and is pretty slow and I think Kells timing will be way too much for him. One sided UD to Kell.
Anyone agree with these and any others I can't think off of the top of my head?
AlexHuckerby- Posts : 9201
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Re: Kell Brook Vs. The Welterweights
I see Brook beating Alexander and Rios for the reasons you stated, although I don't see it being one sided in the case of Rios, I'd give him a good chance against Khan as well, though I'd still make him the underdog. To be honest, I think Mayweather and Pacquaio would both beat him quite easily, with the caveat that you mentioned with regards to how much they have declined. The Thurman fight I really couldn't pick and for me is the most exciting natural match up out of the 6. Thurman has the big equaliser with his power, but if Brook is able to mug and hold like he did against Porter then I think he could probably contain him for much of the fight. Hopefully we'll see one or more of these soon!
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Re: Kell Brook Vs. The Welterweights
Mayweather to beat him by wide UD
Manny to win via wide UD or LKO
Khan close fight going for brook LKO
Thurman to win by LKO
Alexander close fight maybe split decision depending on where the fight is held
Rios is poor brook WPTS
Manny to win via wide UD or LKO
Khan close fight going for brook LKO
Thurman to win by LKO
Alexander close fight maybe split decision depending on where the fight is held
Rios is poor brook WPTS
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Re: Kell Brook Vs. The Welterweights
... Some good fights out there at welter, and a fair few are Pickems.
Loses to floyd, just don't think he brings anything floyd hadn't seen off before.
Outworked by manny... But I haven't been that impressed by how manny has looked of late.. Even in the last Bradley fight, so this could be close.
Thurman... Pickem
Khan... Pickem
Alexander, slight leaning to brook, but their performances against porter don't really point to how a more technical fight would bear out.
Rios, given how brook handled the pressure brought by porter, I'd fancy him to handle rios to a faily comfortable decision.
Loses to floyd, just don't think he brings anything floyd hadn't seen off before.
Outworked by manny... But I haven't been that impressed by how manny has looked of late.. Even in the last Bradley fight, so this could be close.
Thurman... Pickem
Khan... Pickem
Alexander, slight leaning to brook, but their performances against porter don't really point to how a more technical fight would bear out.
Rios, given how brook handled the pressure brought by porter, I'd fancy him to handle rios to a faily comfortable decision.
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Re: Kell Brook Vs. The Welterweights
Brook was superb against the respected Porter...Showed he could stay focused under intense pressure...
He's not going to fight Floyd or Manny but If he did he could be getting them at the right time...People never factor in their aged and the fact that fighters can get old overnight...
Thurman is overrated for me and can see Brook winning by decision..
Khan avoids the big bomb he beats everyone at 147....Chances are he doesn't though....Brook late or Khan decision...Probably the former..
Brook beats Rios easy....and takes a dull decision over Alexander..
Brook would struggle though with Broner's style but funnily enough I see him outboxing Maidana handily...
He's not going to fight Floyd or Manny but If he did he could be getting them at the right time...People never factor in their aged and the fact that fighters can get old overnight...
Thurman is overrated for me and can see Brook winning by decision..
Khan avoids the big bomb he beats everyone at 147....Chances are he doesn't though....Brook late or Khan decision...Probably the former..
Brook beats Rios easy....and takes a dull decision over Alexander..
Brook would struggle though with Broner's style but funnily enough I see him outboxing Maidana handily...
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Re: Kell Brook Vs. The Welterweights
He probably loses every minute of every round to Mayweather (or as good as) and even a 70% capacity Pacquiao should be good enough to outwork, outbox and overpower him. A faded Pacquiao was still good enough to convincingly beat Bradley last time out, and Brook won't turn out the lights the way Marquez did (and Pacquiao looked a bit more like his old self in that fight until the knockout for the first time in what felt like ages). Who knows, either one of them could turn 50 overnight but that's what it'd take for Brook to have a chance in my opinion.
Outside of that, the fights are pretty interesting to ponder. I think Brook outboxes Rios pretty easily if the Porter fight is an indicator of where his stamina / conditioning is at now. Rios had heavy hands at 135 and 140 but at Welter he's just a face-first brawler without a really meaningful punch. Tough as old boots, though. Alexander's got the skills but as I've said before, I think Brook would just want it that little bit more as he seems to have a bigger heart than Devon. I'd go with Brook to win an ugly, scrappy fight on points.
I'm leaning towards Khan right now ever so slightly if they fought, but it's a tricky one to call, for me. I think people are getting a bit carried away with how hard Brook apparently hits. Seems to be a feeling that Khan won't be able to cope with Brook's power and as soon as he lands Khan will be in a world of trouble and it'll be all she wrote, no questions asked. Don't particularly see that being the case. Bit of a pick 'em but if I had to lean one way I'd go with Khan's superior speed and movement. If Brook's power doesn't upset Khan as badly as many think it will, then how else does Brook win? He doesn't fight on the inside, for instance. Very intriguing!
Thurman's a bit difficult as well - he started out as a very raw talent but he's visibly becoming more and more technical and composed with every fight. He's been wobbled by some pretty non-descript punchers (take a look at the way Hoskins stunned him but then, for some odd reason, didn't really push to follow it up) but is unquestionably a bigger hitter than Brook, has quicker hands and also picks his shots pretty nicely (better than someone like Maidana, for instance, who's a bit of a windmiller at times).
I'd probably go with Thurman on a decision. Brook would probably set himself up as the counter puncher again but looking for those kind of opportunities he probably won't be giving himself enough of a chance to really concern Thurman's whiskers (if indeed he can at all). Brook's got the heart, his chin seems a-ok and while he didn't let many shots go on the inside against Porter he did keep his defence and composure pretty nicely there, so I don't see a stoppage, but I just think that Thurman's power and speed at range will bank enough rounds for the win.
Cue Dave saying that I'm on the Thurman hype train and I obviously think he's the next mega star of boxing and an all-time great in the making!
Outside of that, the fights are pretty interesting to ponder. I think Brook outboxes Rios pretty easily if the Porter fight is an indicator of where his stamina / conditioning is at now. Rios had heavy hands at 135 and 140 but at Welter he's just a face-first brawler without a really meaningful punch. Tough as old boots, though. Alexander's got the skills but as I've said before, I think Brook would just want it that little bit more as he seems to have a bigger heart than Devon. I'd go with Brook to win an ugly, scrappy fight on points.
I'm leaning towards Khan right now ever so slightly if they fought, but it's a tricky one to call, for me. I think people are getting a bit carried away with how hard Brook apparently hits. Seems to be a feeling that Khan won't be able to cope with Brook's power and as soon as he lands Khan will be in a world of trouble and it'll be all she wrote, no questions asked. Don't particularly see that being the case. Bit of a pick 'em but if I had to lean one way I'd go with Khan's superior speed and movement. If Brook's power doesn't upset Khan as badly as many think it will, then how else does Brook win? He doesn't fight on the inside, for instance. Very intriguing!
Thurman's a bit difficult as well - he started out as a very raw talent but he's visibly becoming more and more technical and composed with every fight. He's been wobbled by some pretty non-descript punchers (take a look at the way Hoskins stunned him but then, for some odd reason, didn't really push to follow it up) but is unquestionably a bigger hitter than Brook, has quicker hands and also picks his shots pretty nicely (better than someone like Maidana, for instance, who's a bit of a windmiller at times).
I'd probably go with Thurman on a decision. Brook would probably set himself up as the counter puncher again but looking for those kind of opportunities he probably won't be giving himself enough of a chance to really concern Thurman's whiskers (if indeed he can at all). Brook's got the heart, his chin seems a-ok and while he didn't let many shots go on the inside against Porter he did keep his defence and composure pretty nicely there, so I don't see a stoppage, but I just think that Thurman's power and speed at range will bank enough rounds for the win.
Cue Dave saying that I'm on the Thurman hype train and I obviously think he's the next mega star of boxing and an all-time great in the making!
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Re: Kell Brook Vs. The Welterweights
I see Chris is on the Thur....oh, I see you already mentioned it.
When people talk about Brook fighting Thurman I always wonder what poor old Uma has done for people to want her to get her face punched in
When people talk about Brook fighting Thurman I always wonder what poor old Uma has done for people to want her to get her face punched in
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Batman and Robin.
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And she killed David Carradine.
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She also did that film where she had big thumbs but she got her t!ts out in Dangerous Liaisons which over-rides any cr@p films she may have made.
Can't hold Batman and Robin against her as I still like George Clooney and he was in that pile of sh!t as well.
Can't hold Batman and Robin against her as I still like George Clooney and he was in that pile of sh!t as well.
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Must be a tough decision every night Dave. Is it Rachel and the liver or George and the salami.
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I'm an equal opportunities weirdo Milky...I have, on occasion, experimented with both. Basically a much more disgusting version of patting your head and rubbing your stomach at the same time.
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Don't really know how Brook handles the kind of speed most of those guys bring. Havent seen anything so far that makes me think he would beat Mayweather or Pacquiao. But Pacquaio in particular looks like a faded force.
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Don't know how you think pacquiao had faded more than Floyd looking at just there last 2 fights
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Mayweathers had one bad fight. Pacquiao has looked a faded force for some time.
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Kell if he's smart will take the opportunity to fight Khan next, the easiest fight he could have. Still haven't seen Thurman fight anyone with class.
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Khan is the easiest fight......
Stop wumming..
Stop wumming..
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Not met Josiah before, Truss?
Re the fights above, Mayweather dominates/schools him. Manny beats him handily (though I'll slightly reserve opinion on extent until after the Algieri fight) and Thurman knocks him around the ring to a convincing UD.
Khan is 50:50, IMO, but he beats Rios (talentless chin) and Devon (over-hyped bottle-job 'slickster') with some to spare.
Re the fights above, Mayweather dominates/schools him. Manny beats him handily (though I'll slightly reserve opinion on extent until after the Algieri fight) and Thurman knocks him around the ring to a convincing UD.
Khan is 50:50, IMO, but he beats Rios (talentless chin) and Devon (over-hyped bottle-job 'slickster') with some to spare.
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