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Post by John Bloody Wayne Sat 06 Sep 2014, 7:49 pm

These three are on tonight, sadly not against each other simultaneously but all three are prone to exciting fights and all on a comeback of sorts.

Anyone know where this can be viewed?

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Post by ONETWOFOREVER Sat 06 Sep 2014, 9:44 pm

Ha ha 

nice try JBW. Trying to goad me into giving you a streaming website so that the MODS can finally find a reason to ban me.

LOL the illuminati. They never fail to amuse me  Laugh Laugh Laugh

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Post by Steffan Sat 06 Sep 2014, 9:50 pm

Are they all on Boxnation?

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Post by Gerry SA Sat 06 Sep 2014, 9:52 pm

Expecting Ortiz to KO Matthysse tonight.

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Post by hampo17 Sat 06 Sep 2014, 10:12 pm

Boxnation have gone all out for the Frampton fight so these aren't being televised in this country.

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Post by John Bloody Wayne Sun 07 Sep 2014, 3:46 am

Ha ONETWO I actually wasn't fishing!

Matthysse just starting v Ortiz. Apparently in the last 20 major fights between argies and mexicans, the argies are up 18-2

Let's see...

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Post by John Bloody Wayne Sun 07 Sep 2014, 3:54 am

Ortiz mistimes his rise from a body shot having spat out his mouthpiece and is counted out in round 2. Idiot, I was looking forward to a war.

Can't tell whether he took an easy way out or doesn't know how to count.

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Post by bellchees Sun 07 Sep 2014, 3:57 am

Seen that happen a few times where the fighter gets up after the Ref says 9 and it's waved off, don't think he sees out the next round either way. Matthysse deserves another crack at Garcia.

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Post by John Bloody Wayne Sun 07 Sep 2014, 4:05 am

I don't speak Spanish so I don't know if the count was 9 or 10 when the ref waved it off.

Nobody's convincing me the end result was changed though. Ortiz was out of his depth. It is irritating as I hadn't seen Ortiz before and didn't exactly gain much insight other than that if hit in the right place by a ridiculously powerful puncher he'll go down.

Naturally he's calling out Garcia, but says is open to fighting Broner or, apparently, anyone. Wlad v La Maquina?

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Post by bellchees Sun 07 Sep 2014, 4:21 am

Man I hope Broner loses, such a tool.

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Post by John Bloody Wayne Sun 07 Sep 2014, 4:51 am

Broner looks better when he's doing anything but taylor's there, throwing shots, landing and backing him for the majority of the rounds...

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Post by bellchees Sun 07 Sep 2014, 5:10 am

Great punch right at the finish from Broner there.

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Post by bellchees Sun 07 Sep 2014, 5:12 am

Hook/Uppercut, think thats what he put Rees down with.

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Post by John Bloody Wayne Sun 07 Sep 2014, 5:14 am

Exciting fight, but unimpressive from Broner. Lucas leaves him in pieces on that showing.

Think 116-111 is a little generous, he spent so much of that fight getting roughed up on the ropes.

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Post by BoomBoomBaby Sun 07 Sep 2014, 5:16 am

Broner is a complete tool! A very close fight that. Missed the score due to the kids screaming

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Post by John Bloody Wayne Sun 07 Sep 2014, 5:20 am

Two 116-111s, not sure of the other as foreign commentary was talking over it.

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Post by BoomBoomBaby Sun 07 Sep 2014, 5:32 am

116-111.....wow that's pretty poor scoring. I suppose Taylor was never meant to win. Hopefully Mattyhsse destroys Broner!!

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Post by mobilemaster8 Sun 07 Sep 2014, 8:45 am

Broner just isn't that good I don't think. Looking at his last 3 fights he has looked poor. Over rated or has the Maidana fight stolen his invincibility??

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Post by Gerry SA Sun 07 Sep 2014, 12:46 pm

Broner has always been a B level fighter. His limitations where hidden at SFW and LW as he was bullying guys he outweighed and outsized. 

Up at WW and JWW, he's been exposed. Matthysse would KO Broner.

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Post by tommyhearnsprodigalson Sun 07 Sep 2014, 1:47 pm

Everyone thought Matthysse would annihilate Garcia, I'm going towards Broner in this one.......

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Post by John Bloody Wayne Sun 07 Sep 2014, 3:44 pm

People's (me included) perceptions of how well Garcia would stand up to a heavy shot were more conjecture based than with Broner, who's failed to make an impression in any of his fights against people he doesn't considerably outmatch physically.

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Post by bellchees Sun 07 Sep 2014, 5:25 pm

Broner hasn't got legs to keep away from Matthysse, doesn't have to power to keep him at bay and doesn't have a good enough defense up close to negate him, can't see how he wins that one. It will be similar to the Maidana fight I suspect. Matthysse hits harder than Maidana and is a little less crude so he might get Broner out of there. What is in Broners favour in this one is that Matthysse has real slow hands and is a little more textbook than Maidana who troubled him with big looping shots that Matthysse throws less of.

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Post by John Bloody Wayne Sun 07 Sep 2014, 11:07 pm

I don't think Maidana's punch resistance is as good as Matthysse's. Broner could stand up to Marcos and back him up, did some damage with body shots, he just took punishment while he was doing it. I don't see him putting Matthysse on the backfoot as easily.

If Broner could do what he did at the end of round ten more than two or three times during a 12 rounder it would be a harder pick.

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Post by Boxtthis Mon 08 Sep 2014, 10:57 am

Can't see Broner beating Matthyse without a major change in tactics. He has this terrible habit of standing right in front of opponents, thinking that he can bob and weave his way out of trouble. It doesn't work, and he gets hit too much. Couple that with his low punch output, and a hard punching, high output opponent in Matthyse, and I think he gives away too much of the fight.

Broner is accurate as hell and technically very good when he's actually punching, but if you're going to have such a low output, you better use your feet and move a bit more. It was ok when he has outweighing and overpowering all his opponents, but it's shown up as a glaring hole against more powerful guys. He's definitely good enough to beat Matthyse, but I just see his style giving too many opportunities for Matthyse to win rounds and/or put him in real trouble.

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Post by TopHat24/7 Mon 08 Sep 2014, 11:51 am

Gerry SA wrote:Expecting Ortiz to KO Matthysse tonight.

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Post by TRUSSMAN66 Mon 08 Sep 2014, 12:02 pm

Gerry SA wrote:Broner has always been a B level fighter. His limitations where hidden at SFW and LW as he was bullying guys he outweighed and outsized. 

Up at WW and JWW, he's been exposed. Matthysse would KO Broner.

What a load of crap....Most top fighters play to their advantages...WTF is B Level ? and let us know when a South African reaches S level....

All you do is hate on UK and US fighters..

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Post by TopHat24/7 Mon 08 Sep 2014, 12:16 pm

He's more likely to rave about Mexican fighters than Saffers even, Truss.

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Post by mobilemaster8 Mon 08 Sep 2014, 12:27 pm

I actually tend to agree with Gerry, Truss....sorry my man.

Broner out weighed and bullied his opponents at the lighter weights and since stepping up to WW or LWW...his performances have been very poor.

Hard fight on Saturday which he should have looked good in. Same with the Molina fight as well.....scraped past Malignaggi and battered from pillar to post against Maidana.

But against Gavin Rees he can stand there take shots and batter him because he is physically bigger than him. (Using Rees just as an example).

Lucas Mathysee, Maidana, Garcia, Thurman, Khan, Broom, JMM, Bradley, Pacquiao, May weather....beat him handily.

I see him maybe beating Alvarado....or Salita :-)

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Post by mobilemaster8 Mon 08 Sep 2014, 12:29 pm

Brook sorry not bloody broom! God damn phone!

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Post by ONETWOFOREVER Tue 09 Sep 2014, 8:28 pm

mobilemaster8 wrote:I actually tend to agree with Gerry, Truss....sorry my man.

Broner out weighed and bullied his opponents at the lighter weights and since stepping up to WW or LWW...his performances have been very poor.

Hard fight on Saturday which he should have looked good in. Same with the Molina fight as well.....scraped past Malignaggi and battered from pillar to post against Maidana.

But against Gavin Rees he can stand there take shots and batter him because he is physically bigger than him. (Using Rees just as an example).

Lucas Mathysee, Maidana, Garcia, Thurman, Khan, Broom, JMM, Bradley, Pacquiao, May weather....beat him handily.

I see him maybe beating Alvarado....or Salita :-)

Who the hell is Broom???

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Post by John Bloody Wayne Tue 09 Sep 2014, 8:34 pm

Diego Antonio Broom. Mexican welter, currently 0-8 but no footage available. Gerry's assured me he could destroy Mayweather right now.

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