Sky Sports throw everything they have at Pro12 coverage, and hit the mark

Kingshu wrote:How did "Sky Sports throw everything they have at Pro12 coverage, and hit the mark" desend to become a clubs/regions argument?

ah well, most topics usually do, I may as well join in

My take of it is Scarlets and Blues Kept thier European records and history when they went regional, making them super clubs,

Scarlets - didn't have the same rivalry with their neighbour clubs they are now representing and were able to more successfully evolve into a region.
Verdict - Promoted Superclub evolving to become a region

Blues - paid to stand alone as a superclub and only wanted to represent Cardiff, but with the WRU closing the Celtic Warriors the WRU increased the representive area against the Blues wishes, they did have rival neighbours and the WRU forced marriage was never going to be a happy one.
Verdict Superclub (with extra unwanted representive area pushed onto them)

Ospreys - started with a brand new history in 2003 and while the clubs of the region have had fallings out are a region
Verdict Region

Dragons - is a difficut one, pushed to keep Newport in the name as were worried they may alienate the majority of their potentional fanbase without it, which makes since at the start. but while Llanelli and Neath-Swansea have been dropped by other team the Dragons have stuck with having the Newport. However are similar to the Scarlets is other respects as they have evolved into a region working with other clubs in thier area, and apart from the Newport in the name the kit and history have been changed so I would say are more regional than Scarlets.
Verdit - region - but still loose ties to Newport for fear of alienating fans.

Stone Motif wrote:

LordDowlais wrote:

Stone Motif wrote:

LordDowlais wrote:I find it very funny, that the only people who see the regions as clubs are the old Newport RFC and Cardiff RFC supporters, anyway, I look at the regions for what they are supposed to be "REGIONS" if you want to support Cardiff or Newport you can, they play in the Welsh prem.

You get very 'right on' regarding regions embracing all and sundry disenfranchised dabs, as the panacea for all Welsh Rugby's ills. Seems strange you can't appreciate that the old club supporters might get a bit miffed that they can't watch their club play in the top flight anymore, because they now have to change to represent the club down the road who a) can't sustain it economically, b) don't have a cat in hell's chance of getting there off their own back, and c) won't support the new entity either way.  All on the basis of an unproven reasoning that may or may not be the best way for them to succeed as a professional outfit.

It works both ways Stone, I had my "Region" taken away from me and was told to get behind another region, but instead of all the chest thumping I just thought I would try and give my support to all the regions that were left, it is fans like you who keep the disenfranchised fans away from supporting the region with your harping on about how it is still the same club as it always was. Things are changing, people are becoming more open minded about the teams they support, the old bitterness is fading amongst the disenfranchised fans, now it is only parochial and insular fans like you who are holding things back.

1. You did not have your region 'taken' away, it could not support a pro rugby team in it's own right
2. How the f am I insular and harping on about it being the same club?  Reality is reality, they are both funded by Rodney Parade Ltd with no input from anyone else.  Recognising that doesn't stop me shouting 'Dragons' at home matches.
3. The only parochial and insular one is you, for thinking pro rugby owes you something and that there is no other way for the professional teams in Wales to succeed but for some arbitrary dictat to attempt to be all things to all men who won't support them anyway.  It ain't me singing 'I will never be a Blue' whilst 7 players paid for by the Blues help Ponty win qualification to the B&I Cup is it?

LordDowlais wrote:

Cardiff Dave wrote:

LordDowlais wrote:SS, come on, you are Welsh, you have supported Welsh rugby for years, you tell me then, what are the regions suppose to be ? Why were they set up in the first place ? What are they meant to represent ? It has nothing to do with football, it's not as if the Bluebirds and the Swans were told to play in the Welsh prem and then have another team invented for the surrounding area's to support. You, as well as Stone and CD all know what it is, yet you chose to go against it, on purpose for your own insular reasons. Unfortunatley until things like this stop then the bickering will keep on, I spend a lot of time in West Wales in Pembroke to be exact and all I see down there are people in Scarlets jerseys, because it is their region.

Pro clubs based within loosely defined areas. Something like that.

for what reason ? Also they are not clubs.

Cardiff Dave wrote:

Stone Motif wrote:

LordDowlais wrote:

Stone Motif wrote:

LordDowlais wrote:I find it very funny, that the only people who see the regions as clubs are the old Newport RFC and Cardiff RFC supporters, anyway, I look at the regions for what they are supposed to be "REGIONS" if you want to support Cardiff or Newport you can, they play in the Welsh prem.

You get very 'right on' regarding regions embracing all and sundry disenfranchised dabs, as the panacea for all Welsh Rugby's ills. Seems strange you can't appreciate that the old club supporters might get a bit miffed that they can't watch their club play in the top flight anymore, because they now have to change to represent the club down the road who a) can't sustain it economically, b) don't have a cat in hell's chance of getting there off their own back, and c) won't support the new entity either way.  All on the basis of an unproven reasoning that may or may not be the best way for them to succeed as a professional outfit.

It works both ways Stone, I had my "Region" taken away from me and was told to get behind another region, but instead of all the chest thumping I just thought I would try and give my support to all the regions that were left, it is fans like you who keep the disenfranchised fans away from supporting the region with your harping on about how it is still the same club as it always was. Things are changing, people are becoming more open minded about the teams they support, the old bitterness is fading amongst the disenfranchised fans, now it is only parochial and insular fans like you who are holding things back.

1. You did not have your region 'taken' away, it could not support a pro rugby team in it's own right
2. How the f am I insular and harping on about it being the same club?  Reality is reality, they are both funded by Rodney Parade Ltd with no input from anyone else.  Recognising that doesn't stop me shouting 'Dragons' at home matches.
3. The only parochial and insular one is you, for thinking pro rugby owes you something and that there is no other way for the professional teams in Wales to succeed but for some arbitrary dictat to attempt to be all things to all men who won't support them anyway.  It ain't me singing 'I will never be a Blue' whilst 7 players paid for by the Blues help Ponty win qualification to the B&I Cup is it?

7? Thought it was only 5.

Stone Motif wrote:

LordDowlais wrote:

Stone Motif wrote:

LordDowlais wrote:I find it very funny, that the only people who see the regions as clubs are the old Newport RFC and Cardiff RFC supporters, anyway, I look at the regions for what they are supposed to be "REGIONS" if you want to support Cardiff or Newport you can, they play in the Welsh prem.

You get very 'right on' regarding regions embracing all and sundry disenfranchised dabs, as the panacea for all Welsh Rugby's ills. Seems strange you can't appreciate that the old club supporters might get a bit miffed that they can't watch their club play in the top flight anymore, because they now have to change to represent the club down the road who a) can't sustain it economically, b) don't have a cat in hell's chance of getting there off their own back, and c) won't support the new entity either way.  All on the basis of an unproven reasoning that may or may not be the best way for them to succeed as a professional outfit.

It works both ways Stone, I had my "Region" taken away from me and was told to get behind another region, but instead of all the chest thumping I just thought I would try and give my support to all the regions that were left, it is fans like you who keep the disenfranchised fans away from supporting the region with your harping on about how it is still the same club as it always was. Things are changing, people are becoming more open minded about the teams they support, the old bitterness is fading amongst the disenfranchised fans, now it is only parochial and insular fans like you who are holding things back.

1. You did not have your region 'taken' away, it could not support a pro rugby team in it's own right
2. How the f am I insular and harping on about it being the same club?  Reality is reality, they are both funded by Rodney Parade Ltd with no input from anyone else.  Recognising that doesn't stop me shouting 'Dragons' at home matches.
3. The only parochial and insular one is you, for thinking pro rugby owes you something and that there is no other way for the professional teams in Wales to succeed but for some arbitrary dictat to attempt to be all things to all men who won't support them anyway.  It ain't me singing 'I will never be a Blue' whilst 7 players paid for by the Blues help Ponty win qualification to the B&I Cup is it?

Stone Motif wrote:Don't tell me what I think you flaming half-wit.  I haven't said anything of the sort.

The WRU ownership is meaningless, who pays for this abortive child to keep going?  That is the simple point you cannot grasp

I am merely unsure whether, after ten years of being the runt of the litter trying to appease people who will not support the NGD regardless, in the name of 'regionalism' is better than Rodney Parade Ltd simply being able to market themselves as they please and get on with the business of getting up the Pro12 League instead of worrying about whether Dai in Pontypool or Blade in Lliswerry think the kit has too much or to little amber in it.

They have bigger fish to fry.  Wake up and smell the professional era.

Stone Motif wrote:Stop acting like one then.  The irony is you refuse to see other points of view as a matter of course and point the finger at others being parochial and insular.

I get you think that's the ultimate purpose of 'regional rugby', but what the hell does making everyone feel happy and included have to do with being a professional rugby team?

The WRU ownership is nought but a noose around the Dragons neck until they start putting in some 'inventory'.  They forced Newport to merge with an incapable Ebbw Vale, but guess who has footed the bill for the last ten years.

Stone Motif wrote:The WRU ownership is nought but a noose around the Dragons neck until they start putting in some 'inventory'.  They forced Newport to merge with an incapable Ebbw Vale, but guess who has footed the bill for the last ten years.

LordDowlais wrote:SS, come on, you are Welsh, you have supported Welsh rugby for years, you tell me then, what are the regions suppose to be ? Why were they set up in the first place ? What are they meant to represent ? It has nothing to do with football, it's not as if the Bluebirds and the Swans were told to play in the Welsh prem and then have another team invented for the surrounding area's to support. You, as well as Stone and CD all know what it is, yet you chose to go against it, on purpose for your own insular reasons. Unfortunatley until things like this stop then the bickering will keep on, I spend a lot of time in West Wales in Pembroke to be exact and all I see down there are people in Scarlets jerseys, because it is their region.

Stone Motif wrote:You really haven't got a clue, try Uncle Wikipedia if you like.  

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newport_Gwent_Dragons#Controversy

P.S. news flash, every penny the WRU give the regions is earned.

Stone Motif wrote:Irrelevant, the money was given out for participating in ERC competitions, which the Dragons did in full - even when it cost them the hire of Cardiff City's stadium to do so.  Your point being?

Notch wrote:So how about that Sky Sports coverage, huh? Really... covered... everything well.

LondonTiger wrote:

Notch wrote:So how about that Sky Sports coverage, huh? Really... covered... everything well.

Have not seen their coverage as of yet. Have not seen Sky advertising the games either, though that may be because I only actively watch cricket on Sky atm.

LordDowlais wrote:

Stone Motif wrote:Irrelevant, the money was given out for participating in ERC competitions, which the Dragons did in full - even when it cost them the hire of Cardiff City's stadium to do so.  Your point being?

It's not irrelevant at all, the Dragons were not in the HC there for did not earn the money from sky for showing the games, so in affect they were being subsidised by the other three regions, I tell you what if you want to go down the route of having what you earn the Dragons would be even potless than they are now. They even get paid the same as the other regions for the use of international players, how many of those do you have compared to everyone else ?

Stone Motif wrote: hysteria and an utter waste of time.