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Aviva Premiership Round Two
First topic message reminder :
Well round one is done, and the Aviva Premiership is most definitely back. With over 300 points scored, 34 tries and 3 hat tricks, it was an exciting weekends rugby, that began on Friday night with Saints putting 50+ points on Gloucester, and finished on Sunday afternoon with the Chiefs doing the same to hapless London Welsh. Sandwiched in between Bath got themselves up and running with a win on the road at Sale, and Tigers completed a comprehensive victory over the Falcons at Welford Road. At Twickenham, the first game f the double header was great spectacle and fantastic advert for the league, with Saracens edging out Wasps courtesy of a late try. This was followed by Quins proving to strong for a London Irish team who simply failed to turn up until half time, by which time the game had gone.
With regard predictions, I got 4 from 6 right on here, having tipped my own boys to beat Quins, and Gloucester to nick it at The Gardens. By the time I did my Superbru predictions and put my accumulator on, I'd gone for Saints, so was 5 from 6 elsewhere, but I'm clearly not going to get rich this way unless London Irish start winning a bit more often! Anyway, here's the table of round one of the action:
So on to this weeks fixtures, and here they are:
Friday 12th September 2014 19:45 Harlequins vs. Saracens
Two of last seasons top 4 go head to head in an early season clash of the big guns. Both won last week, although neither were wholly convincing and have room for improvement. Quins look very strong defensively, whilst Saracens look to have a real cutting edge in attack, which seems strange to say as I would imagine the perception of both sides would be the other way round. Both will be fired up and wanting to lay down a marker in this one, and I expect a fiercely competitive contest, which Quins just sneak, sending Saracens home with just the losing bonus point.
Saturday 13th September 2014 15:00 Bath Rugby vs. London Welsh
It certainly doesn't get any easier for London Welsh does it. Bath, to the surprise of their own fans on here I would imagine, managed to come back from Sale with 4 points in the bag, and should really extend their total to nine points with a big victory in this one. Welsh, unsurprisingly for a team with 25 new players looked all over the place defensively on Sunday, and will need to improve very quickly if they are to avoid more thumpings by a similar scoreline this season. Pride I suspect will keep it closer this weekend, but I don't see them getting anywhere near Bath this time out.
Saturday 13th September 2014 15:00 Gloucester vs. Sale Sharks
Two teams who lost in the opening round, one at home, and one in spectacular fashion on the road. Both will want to put things right this weekend, and Gloucester will take comfort in being back in familiar surroundings at Kingsholm. Sale will be undaunted by the atmosphere there though, having won there last season, and I would imagine the players will be keen to not incur the wrath of Steve Diamond, which is the likely outcome if they lose two on the bounce. David Humphreys doesn't strike me as putting the same fear into his players, but you have to think that guys like Richard Hibbard, John Afoa and James Hook will all step up a gear of their own accord this weekend. This is a really tough call, but I can see a wounded Gloucester side sneaking this at home and Sale heading back North with a losing bonus point.
Saturday 13th September 2014 15:15 Exeter Chiefs vs. Leicester Tigers
Now if you asked me last week to predict this one I had it down as an away banker. The Chiefs I felt had not recruited particuarly well in the summer, but their win against London Welsh will have given them massive confidence ahead of hosting the Tigers this week. I've not seen the Tigers game, but understand from others who have that they weren't at their very best, but were clinical enough to put away a spirited Falcons side. The Chiefs will be solid and difficult to play against and Leicester will need to up their game slightly to win here I feel, but I think they will, and will head back to the East Midlands with 4 points in the bag.
Sunday 14th September 2014 14:00 Wasps vs. Northampton Saints
This could be a cracker. I need say nothing about Saints really, as we all saw the power they have and the finishing ability to match on Friday night. Wasps were excellent in spells against Saracens, with back row forwards Nathan Hughes and Ashley Johnson particularly outstanding, but once again failed to put in a full 80 minute performance. They will have to manage that against the Saints, as you cannot give them anything or they will run right over you. I'm putting this one down as the game of the round, with Saints to just edge out Wasps in an 8 or 9 try thriller which sees the home side pick up a try bonus point to go with their losing one.
Sunday 14th September 2014 15:00 Newcastle Falcons vs. London Irish
Two teams who need to win, it's that simple. Falcons possibly didn't expect to get anything at Welford Road, but will be targeting this one big time for a win. Irish conversely probably expected to beat Quins on Saturday, but came up short, and will know that they need this with Sarries, Saints and Tigers next up for them in the fixture list. Whilst I would like to think that on Falcons new shiny 4G pitch this will be a fast and loose throwaround of a game, I suspect it will be a nervous, cagey arm wrestle with very little to wrote home about in terms of exciting play. It will be tight, but I fancy is to nick it and head home with our first league win of the season under our belts.
Ozzy's predicted table after round two:
Northampton Saints 10, Bath Rugby 9, Leicester Tigers 9, Harlequins 8, Exeter Chiefs 6, Saracens 6, London Irish 5, Gloucester 4, Wasps 3, Sale Sharks 1, Newcastle Falcons 1, London Welsh 0.
Well round one is done, and the Aviva Premiership is most definitely back. With over 300 points scored, 34 tries and 3 hat tricks, it was an exciting weekends rugby, that began on Friday night with Saints putting 50+ points on Gloucester, and finished on Sunday afternoon with the Chiefs doing the same to hapless London Welsh. Sandwiched in between Bath got themselves up and running with a win on the road at Sale, and Tigers completed a comprehensive victory over the Falcons at Welford Road. At Twickenham, the first game f the double header was great spectacle and fantastic advert for the league, with Saracens edging out Wasps courtesy of a late try. This was followed by Quins proving to strong for a London Irish team who simply failed to turn up until half time, by which time the game had gone.
With regard predictions, I got 4 from 6 right on here, having tipped my own boys to beat Quins, and Gloucester to nick it at The Gardens. By the time I did my Superbru predictions and put my accumulator on, I'd gone for Saints, so was 5 from 6 elsewhere, but I'm clearly not going to get rich this way unless London Irish start winning a bit more often! Anyway, here's the table of round one of the action:
Pos | Team | P | W | D | L | F | A | Diff | TF | TA | TBP | LBP | PTS | |
1. | Exeter Chiefs | 1 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 52 | 0 | +52 | 7 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 5 | |
2. | Northampton Saints | 1 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 53 | 6 | +47 | 8 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 5 | |
3. | Leicester Tigers | 1 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 36 | 17 | +19 | 4 | 2 | 1 | 0 | 5 | |
4. | Saracens | 1 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 34 | 28 | +6 | 4 | 3 | 1 | 0 | 5 | |
5. | Bath Rugby | 1 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 29 | 20 | +9 | 2 | 2 | 0 | 0 | 4 | |
6. | Harlequins | 1 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 20 | 15 | +5 | 2 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 4 | |
7. | London Irish | 1 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 15 | 20 | -5 | 0 | 2 | 0 | 1 | 1 | |
8. | Wasps | 1 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 28 | 34 | -6 | 3 | 4 | 0 | 1 | 1 | |
9. | Sale Sharks | 1 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 20 | 29 | -9 | 2 | 2 | 0 | 0 | 0 | |
10. | Newcastle Falcons | 1 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 17 | 36 | -19 | 2 | 4 | 0 | 0 | 0 | |
11. | Gloucester | 1 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 6 | 53 | -47 | 0 | 8 | 0 | 0 | 0 | |
12. | London Welsh | 1 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 52 | -52 | 0 | 7 | 0 | 0 | 0 |
So on to this weeks fixtures, and here they are:
Friday 12th September 2014 19:45 Harlequins vs. Saracens
Two of last seasons top 4 go head to head in an early season clash of the big guns. Both won last week, although neither were wholly convincing and have room for improvement. Quins look very strong defensively, whilst Saracens look to have a real cutting edge in attack, which seems strange to say as I would imagine the perception of both sides would be the other way round. Both will be fired up and wanting to lay down a marker in this one, and I expect a fiercely competitive contest, which Quins just sneak, sending Saracens home with just the losing bonus point.
Saturday 13th September 2014 15:00 Bath Rugby vs. London Welsh
It certainly doesn't get any easier for London Welsh does it. Bath, to the surprise of their own fans on here I would imagine, managed to come back from Sale with 4 points in the bag, and should really extend their total to nine points with a big victory in this one. Welsh, unsurprisingly for a team with 25 new players looked all over the place defensively on Sunday, and will need to improve very quickly if they are to avoid more thumpings by a similar scoreline this season. Pride I suspect will keep it closer this weekend, but I don't see them getting anywhere near Bath this time out.
Saturday 13th September 2014 15:00 Gloucester vs. Sale Sharks
Two teams who lost in the opening round, one at home, and one in spectacular fashion on the road. Both will want to put things right this weekend, and Gloucester will take comfort in being back in familiar surroundings at Kingsholm. Sale will be undaunted by the atmosphere there though, having won there last season, and I would imagine the players will be keen to not incur the wrath of Steve Diamond, which is the likely outcome if they lose two on the bounce. David Humphreys doesn't strike me as putting the same fear into his players, but you have to think that guys like Richard Hibbard, John Afoa and James Hook will all step up a gear of their own accord this weekend. This is a really tough call, but I can see a wounded Gloucester side sneaking this at home and Sale heading back North with a losing bonus point.
Saturday 13th September 2014 15:15 Exeter Chiefs vs. Leicester Tigers
Now if you asked me last week to predict this one I had it down as an away banker. The Chiefs I felt had not recruited particuarly well in the summer, but their win against London Welsh will have given them massive confidence ahead of hosting the Tigers this week. I've not seen the Tigers game, but understand from others who have that they weren't at their very best, but were clinical enough to put away a spirited Falcons side. The Chiefs will be solid and difficult to play against and Leicester will need to up their game slightly to win here I feel, but I think they will, and will head back to the East Midlands with 4 points in the bag.
Sunday 14th September 2014 14:00 Wasps vs. Northampton Saints
This could be a cracker. I need say nothing about Saints really, as we all saw the power they have and the finishing ability to match on Friday night. Wasps were excellent in spells against Saracens, with back row forwards Nathan Hughes and Ashley Johnson particularly outstanding, but once again failed to put in a full 80 minute performance. They will have to manage that against the Saints, as you cannot give them anything or they will run right over you. I'm putting this one down as the game of the round, with Saints to just edge out Wasps in an 8 or 9 try thriller which sees the home side pick up a try bonus point to go with their losing one.
Sunday 14th September 2014 15:00 Newcastle Falcons vs. London Irish
Two teams who need to win, it's that simple. Falcons possibly didn't expect to get anything at Welford Road, but will be targeting this one big time for a win. Irish conversely probably expected to beat Quins on Saturday, but came up short, and will know that they need this with Sarries, Saints and Tigers next up for them in the fixture list. Whilst I would like to think that on Falcons new shiny 4G pitch this will be a fast and loose throwaround of a game, I suspect it will be a nervous, cagey arm wrestle with very little to wrote home about in terms of exciting play. It will be tight, but I fancy is to nick it and head home with our first league win of the season under our belts.
Ozzy's predicted table after round two:
Northampton Saints 10, Bath Rugby 9, Leicester Tigers 9, Harlequins 8, Exeter Chiefs 6, Saracens 6, London Irish 5, Gloucester 4, Wasps 3, Sale Sharks 1, Newcastle Falcons 1, London Welsh 0.
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Ozzy3213 wrote:Not being international class is a different argument to not big enough. I can accept the not good enough opinion, but I don't buy the not big enough one.
Jason Robinson and Matt Banahan spring to mind (sorry Bath fans).
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Size isn't the main issue with Geraghty, it's his defence. If he was bigger would he defend his channel better? Who knows.
His playmaking ability at AP level is top notch but his defence isn't, he doesn't look an Int player.
His playmaking ability at AP level is top notch but his defence isn't, he doesn't look an Int player.
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I watch him week in and week out and defence is not an issue. He tackles well and is good positionally. I accept he's no Brad Barriitt in that regard, but he's a better defender than Billy Twelvetrees.
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I'd disagree with that.
I don't see him every week obviously but if Socino can give him a hard time he'd really struggle if targeted in the Int arena. He's a good player and I'd love him at Falcons but I wouldn't want him in an England jersey.
I don't see him every week obviously but if Socino can give him a hard time he'd really struggle if targeted in the Int arena. He's a good player and I'd love him at Falcons but I wouldn't want him in an England jersey.
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I'm not convinced that Socino gave him that hard a time to be honest, but I'm not going to get into another debate with you over Sundays game, we'll not agree and that one's been done to death yesterday.
I just hope that Brian Smith keeps him at 12 for us rather than moving him back to 10 as he is much better there.
Whilst we're on dodgy defences though, we had a ridiculous A league game last night against Wasps which they won 40-36 with both teams scoring 6 tries. It would appear that tackling was optional. The good thing for us is that Eoin Griffin got a first hit out and played 40 minutes, so may be available for first team selection in the next few weeks.
I just hope that Brian Smith keeps him at 12 for us rather than moving him back to 10 as he is much better there.
Whilst we're on dodgy defences though, we had a ridiculous A league game last night against Wasps which they won 40-36 with both teams scoring 6 tries. It would appear that tackling was optional. The good thing for us is that Eoin Griffin got a first hit out and played 40 minutes, so may be available for first team selection in the next few weeks.
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How much has Geraghty played at 12 over the last year?
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Only a couple of times. Our win rate with him at 12 is exceptional though.
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For what its worth I've always seen Geraghty as a 12 who can play 10 rather than the other way around. Much like Olly Barkley or 12trees in fact.
On the subject of 12's, Eastmond seems to be playing far more like a second FH so far this season, turning up more often at first receiver and seemingly being more comfortable with kicking too. Given SL's preference for a distributing 12, this may help his England ambitions. As a caveat, I suppose the Welsh game was one to try things out, Ford may take more responsibility against Leicester this coming weekend.
On the subject of 12's, Eastmond seems to be playing far more like a second FH so far this season, turning up more often at first receiver and seemingly being more comfortable with kicking too. Given SL's preference for a distributing 12, this may help his England ambitions. As a caveat, I suppose the Welsh game was one to try things out, Ford may take more responsibility against Leicester this coming weekend.
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I dont think currently geraghty is close to an england call up or is good enough. However if he can push on from his performance on sunday you never know. Unlikely though. Very good AP player, at 12, not 10.
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I dont think he has any worse defensive issues than 12T or eastmond. Not as good as burrell or barritt there. But wouldnt say defence is his weakness.He punched above his weight week in week out. Its his consistency and constantly being moved from 10 to 12 that hinders him.
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