Floyd-Maidana

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Talk about low key! Here we are,days from a Mayweather fight and it hasn't got a mention. Speaks volumes really doesn't it, I can't say I'm up for it at all but I'll still tune in. Not much on the undercard either....

Fun?

Oh man when the singer and the floutist started dieting shoulder to shoulder I lost my Poopie. That was unhinged.

Haha agree. Was funny. Bunce was funny for a change.

Maybe it's the sleep deprivation, maybe it's the constant head traumas, but I've found Buncey more than adequate tonight. His rant about the scorecards was right on.

Yep. Sad to say I agree. I also agree with his flute rant and how he wishes he could turn back time to see Monzon smash someone up in Argentina.

Mayweather looked seriously unsteady going back to the corner...

Stilll his round, like

This is a seriously great fight! I have it 3-1 Floyd after 4.

3-2 to Floyd. Great fight. Mayweather looked hurt after the last punch in the third to....come on chino!

3-3 at the midway point for me

Mayweather buying time, must be hurt

If he's faking injury he should be docked a point

Marcos "Suarez" Maidana

Mayweather's in full B-Hop / old Ray Leonard mode in the 9th! Hardly throwing anything, but scoring with whatever he does throw. Needed too many breathers for my liking, though.

That's curtains for Maidana.

HANDS ARE FREE, HE'S PUNCHING, STOP BREAKING IT UP!!

Aye, Bayless hasn't been great tonight has he, JBW?

Mayweather still boxing very well in spurts, but I've never seen him hold and retreat without letting shots go as much as he is here.

Great fight got floyd winning every round apart from 2. Landslide. Unless he gets smashed in the 12th

Bayless was more active than Floyd!

Maidana had to try different tactics I suppose, but as a comparatively one dimensional fighter it's not as if there was several ways he could beat Mayweather.

Think Rawling is getting a bit carried away with how great Mayweather supposedly was here....But a clear enough win (I had it 116-111). Floyd did seem a bit weary in the late stages but Maidana's raids were pretty predictable, albeit once again I'm noticing he didn't get as much credit from the commentators as he should have done for using his jab well on the forward march.

Pretty flat from Mayweather in his post-fight interview, too. Ah well. Another $32m in the bank and still a fair few glimpses of his brilliance at times tonight.

"Floyd was effective at reaching out and grabbing and holding"

So clinching is a scoring shot now or what?

Was like having Truss and Floyd Sr in commentary at times

Well, Truss won't like that - Gary in the studio saying that Mayweather couldn't hang with Duran!

88Chris05 wrote:Well, Truss won't like that - Gary in the studio saying that Mayweather couldn't hang with Duran!

Ray Mancini reckons that Floyd couldn't hang with Duran, Leonard, Benitez or Hearns.

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/ray-mancini-mayweather-wouldnt-beaten-100102429.html;_ylt=A0SO8wweJhVUYMkAaBhXNyoA

I enjoyed this fight. Mayweather won clearly. I didn't really score it, but it felt pretty decisive. I agree with Floyd that he probably fought better in the first fight, but Maidana was too passive, and for whatever reason thought he could outbox Floyd for large stretches of the fight. Still Floyd was proper tested, again. Interesting that on the closest cards, Maidana won 11/24 rounds against Floyd.

On the reffing - if I've got this correct, I think Bayless swung the fight. Maidana gets a point subtracted in the tenth, I think for a kafuffle, and loses a round I think he won 10-8. Bayless lets him off with a warning, and for me he wins it 10-9 (which makes the score 114-114, 115-113, 115-113 Mayweather.). A round later Floyd lands a flush left hook halfway up Maidana's trunks... He gets a subtraction there (and the round becomes a 10-8 Maidana - they shouldn't, but I've noticed a lot of judges pretty give away the round a fighter got a penalty in to the other fighter), suddenly, if Maidana got the rub of the green, the result becomes 115-112, 113-114x2 Maidana.

John Bloody Wayne wrote:"Floyd was effective at reaching out and grabbing and holding"

So clinching is a scoring shot now or what?

The ref was awful.

Mayweather was holding and using his forearm the whole fight. Maidana uses his forearm once out of protest and gets a point taken off.

kingraf wrote:I enjoyed this fight. Mayweather won clearly. I didn't really score it, but it felt pretty decisive. I agree with Floyd that he probably fought better in the first fight, but Maidana was too passive, and for whatever reason thought he could outbox Floyd for large stretches of the fight. Still Floyd was proper tested, again. Interesting that on the closest cards, Maidana won 11/24 rounds against Floyd.

On the reffing - if I've got this correct, I think Bayless swung the fight. Maidana gets a point subtracted in the tenth, I think for a kafuffle, and loses a round I think he won 10-8. Bayless lets him off with a warning, and for me he wins it 10-9 (which makes the score 114-114, 115-113, 115-113 Mayweather.). A round later Floyd lands a flush left hook halfway up Maidana's trunks... He gets a subtraction there (and the round becomes a 10-8 Maidana - they shouldn't, but I've noticed a lot of judges pretty give away the round a fighter got a penalty in to the other fighter), suddenly, if Maidana got the rub of the green, the result becomes 115-112, 113-114x2 Maidana.

Not it works Raf, in those cases both rounds would be 9-9 so didn't make the slightest bit of difference to the result of the fight, can't say i've seen too many fights where a boxer wins a round, gets penalised and ends up losing it.

Hammersmith harrier wrote:

kingraf wrote:I enjoyed this fight. Mayweather won clearly. I didn't really score it, but it felt pretty decisive. I agree with Floyd that he probably fought better in the first fight, but Maidana was too passive, and for whatever reason thought he could outbox Floyd for large stretches of the fight. Still Floyd was proper tested, again. Interesting that on the closest cards, Maidana won 11/24 rounds against Floyd.

On the reffing - if I've got this correct, I think Bayless swung the fight. Maidana gets a point subtracted in the tenth, I think for a kafuffle, and loses a round I think he won 10-8. Bayless lets him off with a warning, and for me he wins it 10-9 (which makes the score 114-114, 115-113, 115-113 Mayweather.). A round later Floyd lands a flush left hook halfway up Maidana's trunks... He gets a subtraction there (and the round becomes a 10-8 Maidana - they shouldn't, but I've noticed a lot of judges pretty give away the round a fighter got a penalty in to the other fighter), suddenly, if Maidana got the rub of the green, the result becomes 115-112, 113-114x2 Maidana.

Not it works Raf, in those cases both rounds would be 9-9 so didn't make the slightest bit of difference to the result of the fight, can't say i've seen too many fights where a boxer wins a round, gets penalised and ends up losing it.

Even so, a role reversal still ends in a draw for Maidana. Or at the least spares us the sight of Floyd prancing around with the fight in the bag. I'm not sure how anyone could have that low blow accidental "Floyd gets his angles wrong, Maidana is moving away"...

I've seen it at local events a few times...

Anyway, I see he's called out Pacquiao on twitter. Hopes with a whole eight months before cinco de Mayo, Should be plenty times for the fight to be on, then off, then on, then be scuppered by an inexplicable matter.
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The scorecards would then have been 115-112 twice and 114-113 Raf, the points deduction had no bearing on the fight at all.

Hammersmith harrier wrote:The scorecards would then have been 115-112 twice and 114-113 Raf, the points deduction had no bearing on the fight at all.

Fair enough. I thought He won irrespective. But I thought there was no justification for penalising Maidana for something Floyd did the whole night, and then giving no penalty to Floyd for what I cannot fathom to have been accidental, so far from the "belt" it was

Atila wrote:

88Chris05 wrote:Well, Truss won't like that - Gary in the studio saying that Mayweather couldn't hang with Duran!

Ray Mancini reckons that Floyd couldn't hang with Duran, Leonard, Benitez or Hearns.

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/ray-mancini-mayweather-wouldnt-beaten-100102429.html;_ylt=A0SO8wweJhVUYMkAaBhXNyoA

Everybody crying again because Floyd wins......

1. Not many superfeathers would hang with Leonard, Hearns etc...I wouldn't pick Leonard to beat ward either !!

2. Mancini would be like Mayweather-Gatti...........Great chin with no talent..

3. If Benitez gives Duran a boxing lesson.........My money is on the better-Mayweather doing the same..

"Bayliss fault etc"....Awwww diddums........

Stop crying because Mayweather won.....It's Pathetic !!!!

Also, can anyone please explain what the f. Maidana's gamelan actually was? Yes Mayweather's movement gave him trouble always resetting, but he seemed content to just stay outside with a few hopeful raids every now and then. Mayweather's lead rights weren't shifting him, so I'm suprised he didn't at some point decide to give it a whirl, and try walk him down. Strange tactics from him... García mighta been looking for the García-Khan one punch blueprint, as I can't really get what else he was thinking.

Even you've gotta say the holding was getting out of hand Trussy, even more so cause i'm not sure Maidana was bothering him that much either (bar the end of the 3rd.)

Disagreed with the points deduction and thought Mayweather should have got one for the low blow too if that was the case. But he dealt with Maidana pretty easily, time to move on and pick a new whipping boy.

(Did anyone else think Khan looked absolutely vacant when the camera went on him???)

Derbymanc wrote:Even you've gotta say the holding was getting out of hand Trussy, even more so cause i'm not sure Maidana was bothering him that much either (bar the end of the 3rd.)

Disagreed with the points deduction and thought Mayweather should have got one for the low blow too if that was the case. But he dealt with Maidana pretty easily, time to move on and pick a new whipping boy.

(Did anyone else think Khan looked absolutely vacant when the camera went on him???)

Yes - I think he thought it would be a five second zoom in on him, and he had no idea what to do after that.

Floyd is still great but father time is knocking big time. Used to think Floyd would start as big favorite against Manny and Khan. I now Actually think he would really struggle against both guys.

Floyds body language gives me the impression he knows he isn't as sharp as he used to be. Funny thing is, a Mayweather and Pacquiao fight could be more exciting now that both fighters slightly over the hill. Obviously I would loved to have seen them fight at their peak but it could end up an entertaining fight if they decide to get it on.

Yeah I think father time is in Floyd's rear view proper now. Last fight was the most Floyd's been hit ever, and this one was the least Floyd's hit anybody since Castillo. By the closest cards on both fights, Floyd won only 13/24. All due respect to Maidana, but he isn't that close to Floyd. I've heard murmurs of him staying on if ShoBox offer a good enough deal post Sept 2015... will be interesting for sure.

Agree with you Adam. Although it wouldn't have the huge event feel back when they were both at their pomp, I think as a stand alone fight it could be more entertaining now they're vulnerabilities are apparent.

Still think it's all conjecture though, can't see them ever getting it on.

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:

Atila wrote:

88Chris05 wrote:Well, Truss won't like that - Gary in the studio saying that Mayweather couldn't hang with Duran!

Ray Mancini reckons that Floyd couldn't hang with Duran, Leonard, Benitez or Hearns.

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/ray-mancini-mayweather-wouldnt-beaten-100102429.html;_ylt=A0SO8wweJhVUYMkAaBhXNyoA

Everybody crying again because Floyd wins......  

1. Not many superfeathers would hang with Leonard, Hearns etc...I wouldn't pick Leonard to beat ward either !!    

2. Mancini would be like Mayweather-Gatti...........Great chin with no talent..

3. If Benitez gives Duran a boxing lesson.........My money is on the better-Mayweather doing the same..

"Bayliss fault etc"....Awwww diddums........

Stop crying because Mayweather won.....It's Pathetic !!!!

It was Mayweather looking like he was going to cry. Never seen him so downbeat after a fight. Could be something to do with Maidana rearranging his nose.

Brightside...Posters who know better aren't writing articles like "37 year old Mayweather edging out Maidana shows he's not top 10"...today !!

After all where were the other members of the Top 10 at 37/38....

Getting battered by stiffs perhaps.....

Jealousy is a terrible thing ....

Petersen or Provodnikov next please............Make them squirm even more...

I think he fights Khan followed by Pacquiao in his last two.

If he wants to really push the boat out then he fights Danny Garcia and Keith Thurman.

He won't get any credit If he beats those two..

"Garcia beat Khan"...."Picked Manny when he was shot" ........

Too many posters that hate on modern fighters.....Resent change...

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:

Atila wrote:

88Chris05 wrote:Well, Truss won't like that - Gary in the studio saying that Mayweather couldn't hang with Duran!

Ray Mancini reckons that Floyd couldn't hang with Duran, Leonard, Benitez or Hearns.

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/ray-mancini-mayweather-wouldnt-beaten-100102429.html;_ylt=A0SO8wweJhVUYMkAaBhXNyoA

Everybody crying again because Floyd wins......  

1. Not many superfeathers would hang with Leonard, Hearns etc...I wouldn't pick Leonard to beat ward either !!    

2. Mancini would be like Mayweather-Gatti...........Great chin with no talent..

3. If Benitez gives Duran a boxing lesson.........My money is on the better-Mayweather doing the same..

"Bayliss fault etc"....Awwww diddums........

Stop crying because Mayweather won.....It's Pathetic !!!!

Who's crying because Mayweather won? I just responded to Chris that's all and posted a link to an article that he might have wanted to read.

I'm glad Floyd won. I want him to keep winning and beat the s*#t out of Pacquiao.

Always great watching a fight back the next day away from the heat of it!
Looked even more decisive a victory this morning watching it back. Mayweather controlled the fight and made it the type of fight he wanted. chino was ineffective. I don't think this was due to Bayless. To my eyes it was due to two main factors. mayweather was physically stronger in this fight, so when he tied up chino on the inside and stopped him working, chino most of the time stayed tied up. In the first fight chino was able to roughhouse and break through more clinches!  Secondly if you watch this carefully again, as I suspected last night,chino's conditioning was really suspect.... Nowhere near the same level Ariza had him at! Tell tale signs of starving to make the weight rather than working himself down to weight were apparent in the fatty bits on the sides and back which he didn't have in the first fight! Visibly during the fight I saw at least two occasions were he was blowing hard on the stool and definitely slower to come out for the next round. This was not apparent for a lot of the first fight. Lastly when Floyd went to the body it definetely had a real effect on what I think was a weight drained frame. Mayweather didn't really hurt him up top but definitely hurt him to the body.... That elongated break for a low punch was dubious... To me it was Un chino like and had more to do with the first punch prior to the body which sucked the life out of him...
I found Floyd's grading of himself as a C very interesting. Masters are bloody perfectionists. He fought a rugged tough guy with real one punch KO threat and he dominated. However he didn't press the attack as much as he wanted to later on. My summation was that some of his timing wa off because he was too anxious!  Loading up with some haymakers, which isn't his game. He wanted a KO statement. But fighters like him get KOs with timing and speed not raw aggression. The truth is this Floyd, for a 37 year old man your movement was really really good! Apart from Rigondeaux I fail to see better footwork anywhere else. If people think your legs are gone, they can think again! Those legs will last you another 4 fights at least. Secondly no one controls, dictates or adjusts like you still, perhaps barring Ward! Thirdly you are still in the top rank of the best conditioned athletes in boxing... The right you took at the end of the third would have dropped many, wonder what that would have done to mr Khans glass jaw!
As for those who think Manny and Khan stand a chance now! Dream on and as Roger would say you don't know sh*t bout boxing. Boxing is about styles... The maidana roughhouse style is the only style out there that could trouble an older Maywether... And he has now overcome it twice. DO YOU REALLY think that the Manny who is technically torn apart every time by Marquez is not going to have his technical defieciencies ruthlessly exposed by the greatest technician of his generation. As for Khan if you don't see clearly that Khan gives Floyd his last chance of a spectacular walk em down KO to garnish his career then you are a triple threat, DEAF DUMB AND  BLIND!!! Well that's my opinion have a great day squires!

I don't know, el Chino doesn't mean The Chin, and he didn't get moved back once by Mayweather. Khan also withstood a grandstand finish vs Maidana. Just about, but withstood nonetheless. I think Khan can go twelve rounds vs May... I'm just not sure he can win Seven.

How about giving El Chino some credit rather than dissing Floyd. Floyd is a great no doubt in my eyes but I think Maidanas style just gives Floyd problems at this stage. maybe Manny has a better chance now rather than 4 years ago? Who knows but I would love to see it, not that it's ever going to happen!

I was just reading that Cotto might be next.

It would give Floyd the chance to win a title in a sixth division, plus Cotto has a big fanbase to sell the PPV.

It wouldn't even be in the division Cotto holds a belt at though will it? It would be two welterweights fighting at a catchweight while Golovkin punches holes in the wall.

I'd hope Cotto would be a bit of a diva and use some of his own sway to say 'I'll fight you, but I'm fighting you fat'

Scratch that, I just want Cotto Alvarez to be honest.

Masterful performance I've heard....

Gone from 10 to 9 on my ATG list..