Fight Night LIVE

Anyone watching so far? Just prospects against journeymen so far, and then Groves, not Groves' fault I guess he needed Matchroom to supply an undercard and they used it as a filler for prospects.

Pointless televising (and watching) such one-sided fights.

Sitting through these cards live is a turgid way to spend a few hours.

any idea what time groves is fighting ?

10.15PM

Going to be one long introduction if that's true Alex I suspect within the next 5 mins.

Rebrasse has an extremely high guard but with wide elbows; leaving a massive gap through middle for a body shot.

I have no clue what rebrasses plan is? Why is he moving into groves range? He should be throwing punches while in his in range (the safe area).

Just tunes in as the wifes gone to bed.  Can't say I control the remote these days as I think she slipped that line into the wedding vows somewhere.

I like Groves.  I think Froch is as tough and fit as they come and that's just a nemesis for a guy with Groves strengths and weaknesses. Groves is quick, skilled and hits hard but to be victorious on points it probably requires his opponents to be slowed down by Groves work in the early rounds.  Groves did great work in their fights, especially in the first fight, and if anything he'd deserved to have worn Froch down and slowed the pace significantly, but Froch doesn't play by those rules and just keeps coming. Groves couldn't get him out of there so after 6 rounds the tide not only changed but when you're in with Froch it probably feels like a tsunami comes back at you.

I thought he drew with Degale but that was a fight of two halves. If it had gone on I think Degale would have won but at least Degale fought as though he'd taken some shots and already boxed a few rounds.  Regardless of what people say about the stoppage in the first Froch fight (don't want to open that debate, it was too early but that's all I'll say ) I'll never be convinced that was Carl's last burst of energy before finding the tank was empty.  

Good luck to Groves I say. I hope he's learnt something and his confidence is still there.

Rebrasse should revert to back foot, jab and move (avoid the right counter), hes plodding forward into grives' effective zone.

You get the feeling Groves could always become ragged, but he looks so smooth at times.

Stupid boxer, dumb as Frak. If you have the reach you keep you opponent on the end of it (where you cant be hit) you dont walk into the middle ground (where you can hit each other) before throwing a shot. Dumb, dumb, dumb.

Groves deserves to win simply because ofvrebrasses stupidity.

Maybe hes simply a paul williams type but without the power. Doesnt fight to his advantages.

Rebrasse has a great chin or Groves not as big a puncher as we thought?

He looks to be slowing now also.

Stupid boxer, dumb as Frak. If you have the reach you keep you opponent on the end of it (where you cant be hit) you dont walk into the middle ground (where you can hit each other) before throwing a shot. Dumb, dumb, dumb.

I just want to see Groves maintain his superiority over 12. I don't want to see Rebrasses take center stage towards the end and I think this goes 12.

Groves looking more ragged..

Currently have it 69-65 to Groves after 7. Starting to slow down.

Against world level he gets taken out every time late on if he does not get rkd of them sooner.

Rebrasses certainly doesn't look worried.

Yep, every single time mobile...

Stupidity at its finest once again.

The every time consisting of two fights against Froch, one stopped shamefully early and in the other he got knocked out by a once in a lifetime right hand.

Sorry guys but bearing in mind his only live world level fight was Froch and he got stopped once and then knocked on conscious.....and is currently being dragged in a fight against Rebrasse...and is being tagged a hell if a lot. Against a hard hitting world level fighter I believe he gets stopped. Ie. Froch would stop him. Chavez Jr would stop him. I wrote it wrong, of course he could beat the likes of Direll but the blue print to beat him is to pump the jab make him moss work the body and power it on late

If this French gut could dig, I am absolutely certain Groves would have had a bloody hard night maybe coming off the canvass.

Good advice from Paddy.

So basically if you're Carl Froch and beat him the exact same way you have a chance, that is amazing analysis right there.

Rebrasse, looks decent, if he had a bit more power he would be a good fighter..

I scored it 118-112. Great fight that mind. Good comeback fight for groves. Has he lost power or is Rebrasse a brick chinned machine??

Groves still seems to get tired late on and gets dragged into wars. Ideally like him to avoid that against bigger punchers going forward I feel

Decent fight. Never seen rebrasse fight. Relies on toughness. Strange considering his physical dimensions. Groves probably thought he was better than he was after his froch performances. Probably thought he was in for an easy night. How wrong.

Hammersmith harrier wrote:So basically if you're Carl Froch and beat him the exact same way you have a chance, that is amazing analysis right there.

118-110
117-111
118-110

All in favor of George Groves unsurprisingly.

I'd say that was right. Maybe a little harsh in the Frenchman as it wasn't as if he wasn't in the fight. But realistically he never even had a punchers chance with only 6 KO's..

Where does Groves go from here then?

I had it 11-1. Gave Rebrasse the 8th.

Rebrasse made the fight hard for himself; In doing so he made it hard for groves. A puncher using the same tactics would have won. Rebrasse should have fought different to have a chance of winning. I want to see him fight Bika before getting another shot at the title.

Mandatory for Dirrell, though Dirrell will have a voluntary and by the sounds of it he really doesn't wanna fight Groves.

The wolves will come out to play now that Groves didn't knock him out, boxing fans are a fickle bunch.

Indeed Hammer. Shame really because he has very good power (ask Carl). Rebrasse had a tight guard in comparison though and only threw selective shots so would have been hard for even Froch or GGG to knock that guy out.

I think Groves takes Dirrel to be fair although will have to travel.

Could go back for a trilogy with Froch although don't think Carl would.

Ward has basically retired

So who is there now apart from the above?

Rebrasses might not be a great boxer but he took Groves shots better than Froch did. What does that mean? Nothing at all but people are being a bit hard on Groves for that performance suggesting anyone world level beats him in the same way Froch did.  

As I  said above, George is at his best early but he's not useless late in a fight. He went in with a solid but limited guy and beat him comfortably after back to back losses and managed to exercise some daemons.  He'll always struggle more in the last 6 but he's still able to do enough to win providing his opponent isn't still pushing a crazy pace and packing power themselves at that stage after Groves has done his good work wearing them down in the earlier rounds.

It's onwards and upwards from here I hope.

hazharrison wrote:Pointless televising (and watching) such one-sided fights.

Sitting through these cards live is a turgid way to spend a few hours.

worth quoting just for fun

DuransHorse wrote:people are being a bit hard on Groves for that performance suggesting anyone world level beats him in the same way Froch.

who are these people and why are they wrong?

3fingers wrote:

DuransHorse wrote:people are being a bit hard on Groves for that performance suggesting anyone world level beats him in the same way Froch.

who are these people and why are they wrong?

Didn't say they were wrong, said they were harsh. Time will tell if they were wrong, not me.

Who are they though?

Probably related more to mobile and Alex saying at world level he gets taken out late every time if he doesn't do the business sooner.  Also, that Rebrasses fought a "stupid" fight given his range advantage. If he'd done his homework he probably knew like the rest of us that relying on a jab v Groves was probably silly given Groves own jab is seen as one of the best in the division despite his short reach compared to many others.

It's just opinion of course, I can see where its come from and half agree if I'm honest.  The problem is Groves was in with a guy that looked tough but limited and given what he wanted to prove I'm not surprised he took a few unnecessary shots off the guy.

I just thought all things considered he did quite well last night if Rebrasses is just one of those guys with a chin of iron that won't quit or be stopped.

Also, groves probably saw his KO stats and thought "whatever I do, if this guy knocks me out I'm going nowhere anyway" so just went in with little caution with regards to getting KOd again. As Paddy said, George seemed to want to be the first to stop him.

Groves has the ability to mix it at the top table, but I'd expect Dirrell to KO him late. He'd beat Abraham. He still has a chance of beating Froch if he stays on his feat, Ward is too much for him, Bika would be a great test.

If someone who could punch employed the same tactics as rebrasse, and was equally as tough, they would have beaten Groves.....but you make a very good point; would groves have employed the same tatics he did last night against a puncher? Probably not!

Groves is World Level.

That's an easy get out of jail on the performance front though hey.

Ahhh yeh, Mayweather fought with no defence against JMM because he knew he could take his shots

Or ahhh yeh, Pacquiao fought against Hatton with no defence because he could

Groves fought against Rebrasse in the pocket a hell of a lot more than he has in the past. I don't think its because he knew he could take shots. I think he may have been doing a "Khan".....ie. He got knocked out twice so was trying to prove his toughness....which IMO he did.

He shouldnt have to do that though because he is one hell of a boxer he really is.

Wonderful speed and power, vicious power but lacks stamina I think....but that can be improved.

He should have enough for direll but think he struggles with the tough nuts like Bika or Froch.

In a boxing match against another "boxer" I think he wins almost every time at super middle. Including Ward.

I thought Groves stamina looked good last night. Was thinking during the second round that his output was way more than usual (and nothing to do with Watt picking up on it also) but he seemed to pace it well.

Good fight though and enjoyable to watch and Rebrasse looks a tough guy and hard to look good against. Groves did look a lot more ragged than usual but its probably due to wanting the ko.

mobilemaster8 wrote:That's an easy get out of jail on the performance front though hey.

Ahhh yeh, Mayweather fought with no defence against JMM because he knew he could take his shots

Or ahhh yeh, Pacquiao fought against Hatton with no defence because he could

Groves fought against Rebrasse in the pocket a hell of a lot more than he has in the past. I don't think its because he knew he could take shots. I think he may have been doing a "Khan".....ie. He got knocked out twice so was trying to prove his toughness....which IMO he did.

He shouldnt have to do that though because he is one hell of a boxer he really is.

Wonderful speed and power, vicious power but lacks stamina I think....but that can be improved.

He should have enough for direll but think he struggles with the tough nuts like Bika or Froch.

In a boxing match against another "boxer" I think he wins almost every time at super middle. Including Ward.

Ward would embarrass Groves. Ward is too good at SMW and will never lost at that weight.

Ward is teak tough and very strong. He would exhaust groves, especially on the inside.

Glenn back on Sky? Sporting a beard? Or is he pretending to be someone else?

I wondered about Glenn i thought sky binned him

DuransHorse wrote:Probably related more to mobile and Alex saying at world level he gets taken out late every time if he doesn't do the business sooner.  Also, that Rebrasses fought a "stupid" fight given his range advantage. If he'd done his homework he probably knew like the rest of us that relying on a jab v Groves was probably silly given Groves own jab is seen as one of the best in the division despite his short reach compared to many others.

It's just opinion of course, I can see where its come from and half agree if I'm honest.  The problem is Groves was in with a guy that looked tough but limited and given what he wanted to prove I'm not surprised he took a few unnecessary shots off the guy.

I just thought all things considered he did quite well last night if Rebrasses is just one of those guys with a chin of iron that won't quit or be stopped.

Don't quote me on that... I said Mobile was stupid for saying that. Please read properly.