Rigondeaux plans to force Quigg fight

by catchweight Sun Sep 28, 2014 5:50 pm

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Rigondeaux career suffered another set back as it was confirmed his mandatory challenger Chris Avalos has withdrawn in order to face Carl Frampton instead. Purse bids for the fight had already been agreed. Rigondeauxs manager, Gary Hyde, has become increasingly frustrated by difficulties getting his fighter a fight and the unwillingness of the other key names in the division to agree to face Rigondeaux.

Hyde plans to remedy that by demanding the WBA enforce a match with "regular" WBA title holder Scott Quigg. Rigondeaux hold the "super" WBA title. The WBA have the authority to force such matches as occured recently with Wladimir Klitschko and Aleksander Povetkin. Hyde will write to the WBA demanding they enforce a fight between Rigondeaux and Quigg. Hyde also stated that they would be willing to travel to the UK if neccessary.

by TRUSSMAN66 Mon Sep 29, 2014 2:51 pm

Quigg is a World champ and that's the way it is....

No one took the IBF seriously before Larry.................WBO was puke for a long time....

We are where we are...........World champion is a devalued term in Boxing........But World champion he is.

by TRUSSMAN66 Mon Sep 29, 2014 2:52 pm

TopHat24/7 wrote:
Soldier_Of_Fortune wrote:
TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Rigo can't fight 12 hard rounds..............

how do you know?

Yeh, Truss might wanna tell Donaire that....

I know what I know after 20 years plus of training..

Certainly know more than some 300 pound lard bucket.........That's for sure..

by Rowley Mon Sep 29, 2014 2:52 pm

Not rating him is a different issue to questioning the legitimacy of his title though SOF. I agree he is not a proper world champion, but I genuinely do not see him as any less or more of one than Frampton, LSC or anyone else not called Rigondeux at the weight.

by TRUSSMAN66 Mon Sep 29, 2014 2:54 pm

Quigg is from Manchester..Soldier is from Liverpool...

by TopHat24/7 Mon Sep 29, 2014 3:04 pm

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:
TopHat24/7 wrote:
Soldier_Of_Fortune wrote:
TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Rigo can't fight 12 hard rounds..............

how do you know?

Yeh, Truss might wanna tell Donaire that....

I know what I know after 20 years plus of training..

Certainly know more than some 300 pound lard bucket.........That's for sure..

235lb, thanks.

And it's totally irrelevant anyway as your experience as a juiced-up over-compensating amateur steroid-monkey are totally pointless when it comes to a) a pro athlete; and b) a boxer (as you've never boxed).

by TRUSSMAN66 Mon Sep 29, 2014 3:05 pm

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by Soldier_Of_Fortune Mon Sep 29, 2014 3:16 pm

Rowley wrote:Not rating him is a different issue to questioning the legitimacy of his title though SOF. I agree he is not a proper world champion, but I genuinely do not see him as any less or more of one than Frampton, LSC or anyone else not called Rigondeux at the weight.

Rowley, am not saying I don't rate Quigg but its hard to get on the bandwagon. Do I think he could beat Frampton or Santa Cruz? No. Do I think he could beat Rigo? Laugh

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Quigg is from Manchester..Soldier is from Liverpool..

And were are you based these days Truss?

by TRUSSMAN66 Mon Sep 29, 2014 3:18 pm

It's true Soldier boy.............

Anyone who thinks Fielding is a World beater..............Should read and not post...

Read my stuff and learn.. Cool

by Soldier_Of_Fortune Mon Sep 29, 2014 3:19 pm

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:It's true Soldier boy.............

Anyone who thinks Fielding is a World beater..............Should read and not post...

Read my stuff and learn..

Whats true?

by TRUSSMAN66 Mon Sep 29, 2014 3:21 pm

True...You have a downer on anyone who fights out of Manchester...........

Years of watching Manchester teams win the premiership.....Hasn't helped !!

by Soldier_Of_Fortune Mon Sep 29, 2014 3:22 pm

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:True...You have a downer on anyone who fights out of Manchester...........

Years of watching Manchester teams win the premiership.....Hasn't helped !!

Last time I checked Quigg was from Bury thumbsup

by wheelchair1991 Mon Sep 29, 2014 3:23 pm

Im with SOF on this one Quigg is in no way a world champion the reason i consider Frampton one is because he beat the IBF's holder in Kiko. Dont get me wrong the multiple WBO IBF WBO etc titles drive me as nuts as the next person but to say Quigg is a champion is an even bigger joke i like Quigg but him going around saying hes a proper world champion after a draw against Salinas and lets face it three batemweights after that is poor. He is not a world champion

by TRUSSMAN66 Mon Sep 29, 2014 3:24 pm

A couple of miles.......

by Soldier_Of_Fortune Mon Sep 29, 2014 3:25 pm

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:A couple of miles.......

Its ok Truss........I know your trying.

by Derbymanc Mon Sep 29, 2014 6:12 pm

It's part of GREATer Manchester Wink

by jimdig Mon Sep 29, 2014 9:31 pm

88Chris05 wrote:£2-5 millon pay days for Super-Bantams is a pipe dream though Toppy, even if the kingpin of the division is a big name (ie, a Morales or Barrera back in the day).

Donaire's been an established attraction for a long time and had been considered one of the best fighters in the world for years before facing Rigondeaux, but he still got a career-best purse for that fight - off the top of my head, $1.4 million I believe (so what's that, about £830,000 - £850,000 in our currency?). That figure might not seem all that impressive by Floyd, Manny, Wladimir or Froch standards, but for that weight class it ain't half bad, and for a fighter as consistently successful and as exciting as Donaire to be getting the best pay of his career against Rigondeaux kind of flattens this idea that there's nothing in Rigondeaux financially.

To put it in to context, Santa Cruz said he'd be willing to travel to Belfast to defend against Frampton if they could guarantee him £500,000. Can't see any reason why he wouldn't be getting a similar figure at least (though probably better) if he were to face Rigondeaux in a unification bout.

Espn reporting martinez as getting $700,000 for going to Belfast for their 2nd fight. So it should be within framptons grasp to raise the money required to attract lsc. It could be fought in a stadium, potentially more money available from American tv, and potentially Sky rather than box nation.

by Hammersmith harrier Mon Sep 29, 2014 9:57 pm

I'm completely with Rowley on this, nobody other than Rigondeaux has any claim to be called a world champion until they start beating eachother.

If we look at super middleweight for instance, Ward is THE champion and by virtue of beating everybody else worth beating Froch is fully deserving of being called A world champion.

Now none of LSC, Frampton or Quigg have beaten anybody worth beating in the division, the former two have their best wins against former Rendall Munroe victims for christ sake. Santa Cruz takes no flak for beating Mijares a guy who has no worthwhile win himself about super flyweight.

by Soldier_Of_Fortune Tue Sep 30, 2014 9:21 am

Hammersmith harrier wrote:I'm completely with Rowley on this, nobody other than Rigondeaux has any claim to be called a world champion until they start beating eachother.

Even though they hold World Titles?

Hammersmith harrier wrote:If we look at super middleweight for instance, Ward is THE champion and by virtue of beating everybody else worth beating Froch is fully deserving of being called A world champion.

Just contradicted yourself

Hammersmith harrier wrote:Now none of LSC, Frampton or Quigg have beaten anybody worth beating in the division, the former two have their best wins against former Rendall Munroe victims for christ sake.

Think your doing Rendall a disservice. Rendall was a quality Bantamweight who has got some good wins under his belt.

by mobilemaster8 Tue Sep 30, 2014 11:21 am

If Quigg fights Rigo I'd be shocked. If he does do that, then Rigo stops him late on or wins a landslide victory with utter ease. Quigg is far too open to being outboxed and is there for a counter....Rigo is the best boxer in their division by literally MILES. Quigg isn't even a world champion. Rigo is....so it should be made to amend that glitch.

by TRUSSMAN66 Tue Sep 30, 2014 11:38 am

Soldier_Of_Fortune wrote:
Hammersmith harrier wrote:I'm completely with Rowley on this, nobody other than Rigondeaux has any claim to be called a world champion until they start beating eachother.

Even though they hold World Titles?

Hammersmith harrier wrote:If we look at super middleweight for instance, Ward is THE champion and by virtue of beating everybody else worth beating Froch is fully deserving of being called A world champion.

Just contradicted yourself

Hammersmith harrier wrote:Now none of LSC, Frampton or Quigg have beaten anybody worth beating in the division, the former two have their best wins against former Rendall Munroe victims for christ sake.

Think your doing Rendall a disservice. Rendall was a quality Bantamweight who has got some good wins under his belt.

Hammer is a froch fan so that's different.

by Rowley Tue Sep 30, 2014 12:16 pm

Not sure he really has contradicted himself. Unless I am misinterpreting things his argument appears to be in a division where there is a dominant champion, those others with straps can only really claim to be champions or to legitimacy if they have established themselves as some sort of clear best of the rest. Froch has done so, nobody at superbantam has.

by hogey Tue Sep 30, 2014 1:08 pm

Quigg would be lucky to get a share of one of the 12 rounds, can not see him losing his unbeaten record for the sake of a plastic title and a modest payday. Rigo is head and shoulders above Quigg to the point its a fight i have no interest in seeing.

by Soldier_Of_Fortune Tue Sep 30, 2014 1:25 pm

I would love to see Rigo v Quigg!

by Hammersmith harrier Tue Sep 30, 2014 5:40 pm

Spot on Rowley, I didn't think it was that hard to understand personally, Froch is about as clear a number two in a division as there is, beaten everyone there is to beat with the exception of the divisions top dog.

In what is now nearly three years since they fought, Froch has been active and won five fights, four of which were against highly ranked opposition whereas Ward has fought just the twice.

by TopHat24/7 Tue Sep 30, 2014 6:31 pm

Nobody has beaten Rigo, ergo nobody else can call themselves champ.

Ok, fine. But then:

Nobody has beaten Ward, but Froch CAN call himself champ?

Is that not a clear contradiction?

by Hammersmith harrier Tue Sep 30, 2014 6:36 pm

That's not what I said though is it Toppy, I made it quite clear that I didn't consider any of them champions because they haven't been beating eachother therefore none of them have put themselves out there as a clear number two.

You simply can't label Froch the same as the best of the rest at super bantamweight and i'm comfortable calling somebody with his track record a champion when it comes to Santa Cruz, Frampton or Quigg i'm not.

Realistically Rigondeaux should be the fully unified champion at the weight as by rights Donaire should have held the WBO, WBC and IBF titles going into their fight but predictably to suit the Mexicans that didn't happen. Ward granted has beaten all the other champions at the weight but at the same time Froch has beaten three current, former and future world champions.

by 3fingers Tue Sep 30, 2014 8:36 pm

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by TopHat24/7 Wed Oct 01, 2014 9:31 am

Froch is 'best of the rest', and I agree a clear #2.

But both divisions have clear, head'n'shoulders, #1s. Therefore either you're consistent that all others are just beltholders or you're not.

Froch might be a 'better version' of the SBW beltholders, but he's still in the same broad category if that's the way you choose to define. At SBW the #2 category consists of a chasing pack, at SMW it consists of just Froch.

by Rowley Wed Oct 01, 2014 9:55 am

I can see HH's argument though Top Hat. Unfortunately the situation in boxing at the minute with multiple belts does not give us black and whites, it creates lots of shades of grey. There is certainly an argument that unless you are proven to be the man at the weight you're not a world champion, and it is one I don't have a huge issue with. However I also think lumping the likes of Froch in with guys like Glenn Catley, Gavin Rees or Quigg does his talents and body of work a huge disservice.

by TRUSSMAN66 Wed Oct 01, 2014 9:59 am

Better to just regard them all as alphabet champs and put Froch at the top as I do...

Interesting thing though in years to come is whether winning an alphabet elevates Barker over the likes of Sibson in the rankings.

by hazharrison Wed Oct 01, 2014 10:30 am

Froch isn't a champion. He's a belt holder. As is Frampton.

Ward and Rigo are the champions (until someone beats them).

by Hammersmith harrier Wed Oct 01, 2014 10:58 am

No two situations are the same and you even made the point I've been making, Froch is a clear number two so deserves more credit than Quigg or Frampton.

There's also the fact that Rigo is the rightful claimant to all four belts were it not for the politics of the sport. Froch on the other hand did beat the IBF champion and doesn't hold a title by virtue of somebody else being stripped as is the case for all the 122lbers.

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