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Anybody wondering what Matchroom are doing having a tout as a sponsor.

Did you buy your Wembley ticket to Froch v Groves from a tout and how much did you pay?

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Strongback wrote:Anybody wondering what Matchroom are doing having a tout as a sponsor.

Did you buy your Wembley ticket to Froch v Groves from a tout and how much did you pay?

Good work Colombo.

There's been a shift over the last few years with companies like viagogo establishing themselves as a 'secondary ticket market', for those who miss out on popular events. It's glorified touting and nothing more and it's disgusting how they're marketing themselves as good guys who'll get you tickets you wouldn't be able to get.

I've got no doubt whatsoever that ticket companies purposefully hold back tickets and give them to these 'secondary ticket market' companies to sell at grossly inflated prices. The entire thing is rotten! Embarrasses me as well how companies will align themselves with these crooks, Chelsea FC have a relationship with viagogo as I'm sure do other premier league clubs.

It's been about 20 years now since Pearl Jam lost their lawsuit with ticket master and the situation has only got worse.

Don't know anything about Matchroom's relationship with them but the entire ticket industry boils my blood.

I've been trying to get Viagra to sponsor me at the gym....

Alas to no avail...............When you sleep with the same Woman for 27 years you'll try anything...

Have our anniversary in exactly a month's time 21 Nov...and she'll be expecting some then!!

StubHub is an eBay owned ticketing company. Don't really see the problem with this.

Ticketmaster has also launched TM+ to get in on the market so I don't think there'd be a problem with Ticketmaster sponsoring an event so why should there be with StubHub.

http://www.billboard.com/articles/business/6289185/ticketmaster-vs-stubhub-winning-resale-battle

Strongback wrote:Did you buy your Wembley ticket to Froch v Groves from a tout and how much did you pay?

Eddie gave me my tickets personally, Strongback, when me and Damien went round to polish his 'World's Greatest Promoter' award which we personally sculpted for him.

88Chris05 wrote:

Strongback wrote:Did you buy your Wembley ticket to Froch v Groves from a tout and how much did you pay?

Eddie gave me my tickets personally, Strongback, when me and Damien went round to polish his 'World's Greatest Promoter' award which we personally sculpted for him.

Was that before or after Eddie saved 100 puppies from a burning building?

88Chris05 wrote:

Strongback wrote:Did you buy your Wembley ticket to Froch v Groves from a tout and how much did you pay?

Eddie gave me my tickets personally, Strongback, when me and Damien went round to polish his 'World's Greatest Promoter' award which we personally sculpted for him.

Wasn't a raven and an Alsation in the garden when you were there was there Mate ?

It's all for you Eddie !!!!!!

Bought my tickets from Matchroom.

Seriously though, Strongy, are you just permanently online searching for any and every minor Matchroom/Hearn news item??!

Pedro147 wrote:StubHub is an eBay owned ticketing company. Don't really see the problem with this.

Call me old fashioned but I prefer when the promoter who provides the tickets doesn't associate with touts.

TopHat24/7 wrote:Bought my tickets from Matchroom.

Seriously though, Strongy, are you just permanently online searching for any and every minor Matchroom/Hearn news item??!

I'm rarely online these days. Imagine the reaction if Frank Warren was fraternalising with touts.

Remember this is right on Eddie the fan friendly saviour of boxing. I don't need to slag him off as he keeps shooting himself in the foot. Interesting to see the sea change in attitude to Eddie across the forums. Seems Warren is the guy riding high now.

Didn't see Strongy complaining about the GGG fight at the weekend being held at the Stubhub centre - had no problem with their affiliation then what changed in 3 days?

Strongback wrote:

Pedro147 wrote:StubHub is an eBay owned ticketing company. Don't really see the problem with this.

Call me old fashioned but I prefer when the promoter who provides the tickets doesn't associate with touts.

Yep maybe you are and that's why Eddie is winning the promotional battle in the UK. He markets better, sees trends sooner and adapts to market. Like when Michael O'Leary started making people print boarding cards and people said he was a disgrace. Almost seems weird now not doing it. Things change and Eddie is changing with the times, good work if you ask me.

Strongy, instead of loosely throwing around dishonest accusations about Hearn - why not explain in more detail why this is a bad thing for the end consumer and how things can be done to improve?

You seem to hang your hat on entirely ambiguous points and I for one can't understand why this is a negative thing - please explain it to me.

He's like a jilted ex is old Strongy...................Maybe Eddie brings out some homosexual urges in him and he hates him for it...

This "hatred" just isn't normal !!

Strongback wrote:

TopHat24/7 wrote:Bought my tickets from Matchroom.

Seriously though, Strongy, are you just permanently online searching for any and every minor Matchroom/Hearn news item??!

I'm rarely online these days.  Imagine the reaction if Frank Warren was fraternalising with touts.

Eh?

Guys come on, I know Strongback is the class clown but it's disappointing to see ticket agents engaging with touts on any level.

Stub hub can dress themselves up however they please but they are touts. For them to have direct involvement in the events industry is pulling our pants down as consumers.

Painfully, whilst I still think Strongy should be mocked for his obesession, I do loosely agree with him on this point actually.

Both GBP and Top Rank have an association with Stubhub which goes to show the bitterness of this post.

Hammersmith harrier wrote:Both GBP and Top Rank have an association with Stubhub which goes to show the bitterness of this post.

I like that you are comparing Eddie Hearn to Bob Arum. I think Eddie has a bit to go before he rolling around in the same slime as Arum.

Promoters and touts in business together is bad no matter who the promoter is.

Dipper Brown wrote:Guys come on, I know Strongback is the class clown but it's disappointing to see ticket agents engaging with touts on any level.

Stub hub can dress themselves up however they please but they are touts. For them to have direct involvement in the events industry is pulling our pants down as consumers.

Who are you calling the class clown mofo?????

Strongback wrote:

Hammersmith harrier wrote:Both GBP and Top Rank have an association with Stubhub which goes to show the bitterness of this post.

I like that you are comparing Eddie Hearn to Bob Arum.  I think Eddie has a bit to go before he rolling around in the same slime as Arum.

Promoters and touts in business together is bad no matter who the promoter is.

Explain why it's a bad thing not that they are touts in the slightest.

I see Stubhub are the official ticket sellers for Anthony Joshua now.

The wicked web just got more tangled!

Hammersmith harrier wrote:

Strongback wrote:

Hammersmith harrier wrote:Both GBP and Top Rank have an association with Stubhub which goes to show the bitterness of this post.

I like that you are comparing Eddie Hearn to Bob Arum.  I think Eddie has a bit to go before he rolling around in the same slime as Arum.

Promoters and touts in business together is bad no matter who the promoter is.

Explain why it's a bad thing not that they are touts in the slightest.

Remember the fight between Froch and Groves in Wembley? The one were tickets sold out in no time only for there to be thousands of tickets, above face value, available on Stubhub within minutes of the event being announced as a sell out.

As its quite possible you have never been to an event of any form (excluding Grindcore) in your life I can understand why you don't understand.

What on earth are you blabbering on about?

TopHat24/7 wrote:

Strongback wrote:

TopHat24/7 wrote:Bought my tickets from Matchroom.

Seriously though, Strongy, are you just permanently online searching for any and every minor Matchroom/Hearn news item??!

I'm rarely online these days.  Imagine the reaction if Frank Warren was fraternalising with touts.

Eh?

It's a word.

Maybe, but sure you didn't mean 'fraternising'??

Fraternalising v.
Present participle of Fraternalise

Fratenalise V.
Alternative spelling of Fraternalize

Fraternalize v.
To make fraternal or brotherly; to rid of conflict.

Strongback wrote:

TopHat24/7 wrote:

Strongback wrote:

TopHat24/7 wrote:Bought my tickets from Matchroom.

Seriously though, Strongy, are you just permanently online searching for any and every minor Matchroom/Hearn news item??!

I'm rarely online these days.  Imagine the reaction if Frank Warren was fraternalising with touts.

Eh?

It's a word.

So is "incorrect" but your unspellificationism of words leads us to conclusionize that you are without doubt a nobacuntafrigatwataprick

I wouldnt expect anything less from Hearn. Thats the job he is in.

Agreed!!!!!!!!!

Businessman in "maximization of profits" shocker!!!!!!!!

Its crap for the fans if it ends up that its essentially a rip off manouver designed to jack up ticket prices by facilitating touting. But I wouldnt expect Hearn to give a crap about that.

All is forgiven because Hearn is a business man?

Some short memories around here.  Do you remember when Hea n said he wouldn't put on a PPV unless the card was worthy?  

Seems Hearn is no longer fan friendly Eddie.  All the same it seems some of you guys are still impressed by his haircut, tan and line in bullsh1t.

Frank is what's now. Check out his IFL interview. Spends 5 minutes at the end talking about the music he's into, which is interesting. Looks like Frank is getting the hang of this internet lark.

There is a massive problem with ticket selling in general now, trust me I should know. Bruce Springsteen and Axl Rose in particular warned everyone what would happen if Ticketmaster sold out to Live Nation. Too late, the touts are the way it is at the moment.

Certainly not Eddies fault, no point laying any blame at his door. Theres a lot more to it than you realise Strongy

Lance wrote:There is a massive problem with ticket selling in general now, trust me I should know. Bruce Springsteen and Axl Rose in particular warned everyone what would happen if Ticketmaster sold out to Live Nation. Too late, the touts are the way it is at the moment.

Certainly not Eddies fault, no point laying any blame at his door. Theres a lot more to it than you realise Strongy

Not Eddie's fault who he chooses to associate with?

Eddie proclaimed a lot of things when he hit the scene. From what I can see he is reneging on his promises.

Eddie doesnt necessarily get to choose who he associates with if he wants to do business in certain markets. Bruce Springsteen and the rolling stones didnt want to work with ticketmaster but found they had little choice.

Ever hear a positive thing about Axl Rose anywhere?? he decided to take on Live Nation

88Chris05 wrote:

Strongback wrote:Did you buy your Wembley ticket to Froch v Groves from a tout and how much did you pay?

Eddie gave me my tickets personally, Strongback, when me and Damien went round to polish his 'World's Greatest Promoter' award which we personally sculpted for him.

Strongy actually made his own sculpture for Eddie to show him just how he feels about him Chris. I think it was on show at the Place Vendome recently.

Ticketmaster is different to Stubhub. One is a rip off booking agent and the other is a tout.

DuransHorse wrote:

88Chris05 wrote:

Strongback wrote:Did you buy your Wembley ticket to Froch v Groves from a tout and how much did you pay?

Eddie gave me my tickets personally, Strongback, when me and Damien went round to polish his 'World's Greatest Promoter' award which we personally sculpted for him.

Strongy actually made his own sculpture for Eddie to show him just how he feels about him Chris.  I think it was on show at the Place Vendome recently.

I'm just exposing hippocracy. I've been calling Eddie for what he is for a while. It's good the tide is turning against him. He's not clever enough to avoid the backlash.

Hippocracy? Is that when large, semi-aquatic, mostly herbivorous mammals run the government?

Strongback wrote:Ticketmaster is different to Stubhub. One is a rip off booking agent and the other is a tout.

You seem very naive on the subject if you think that. Maybe you should do some research before making criticisms, even if you do hate Eddie.

Lance wrote:

Strongback wrote:Ticketmaster is different to Stubhub. One is a rip off booking agent and the other is a tout.

You seem very naive on the subject if you think that. Maybe you should do some research before making criticisms, even if you do hate Eddie.

Ticketmaster is a booking agent, only in the last few years did it add a tout arm to its organisation. Stubhub is a tout that is getting into standard ticket booking.

I know exactly what Ticketmast have done since their inception. I have bought countless tickets from them over many many years and have been pained by their booking fees and hidden charges. Legitimizing the resale of tickets which now seem accepted is a disgrace and should be banned.

I can remember Pearl Jam taking on Ticketmaster in the 1990's for their ripping off of fans.

Eddie Hearn decides who he lies in bed with and how he does business. I don't like it anymore that Springsteen, Rose or Vedder do.

Strongback wrote:

DuransHorse wrote:

88Chris05 wrote:

Strongback wrote:Did you buy your Wembley ticket to Froch v Groves from a tout and how much did you pay?

Eddie gave me my tickets personally, Strongback, when me and Damien went round to polish his 'World's Greatest Promoter' award which we personally sculpted for him.

Strongy actually made his own sculpture for Eddie to show him just how he feels about him Chris.  I think it was on show at the Place Vendome recently.

I'm just exposing hippocracy. I've been calling Eddie for what he is for a while. It's good the tide is turning against him. He's not clever enough to avoid the backlash.

Eh? Pt.II

Can anyone tell me what the difference is between Ticketmaster and any of the so called 'touts' as far as I can tell, they both sell tickets for events, both charge a markup and both add stupid card handling fees.

Whilst it would be nice for promotors of any event to avoid using these business's to sell tickets, it's unfortunately the way it goes and any promoter (Named Hearn or otherwise) could find themselves losing business if they don't use it.

Derbymanc wrote:Can anyone tell me what the difference is between Ticketmaster and any of the so called 'touts' as far as I can tell, they both sell tickets for events, both charge a markup and both add stupid card handling fees.

Whilst it would be nice for promotors of any event to avoid using these business's to sell tickets, it's unfortunately the way it goes and any promoter (Named Hearn or otherwise) could find themselves losing business if they don't use it.

To be fair I think we all know there has to be some degree of cost/profit involved with ticket distribution as it’s a necessary part of business. If the various arena’s or promotional companies distributed their own tickets they would add their own costs, probably greater costs than companies like Ticketmaster as Ticketmaster deal in greater bulk so can negotiate lower prices and costs. At some point agreed additional costs will always need to be applied when managing, arranging and distributing tickets, it’s unavoidable.

I think the issue here is if company X deals directly with the event and agrees to sells directly to the public for £50 but company Y just steps in and buys 1000 tickets that would have sold directly with the intention of marking the price up to £100 then what value has company Y added from a consumer perspective? That is the trouble with ticket touting, it’s adding another unnecessary step and cost that isn’t required.

I should add that it is a little more complex than that as companies know they have a greater chance of shifting all their tickets thanks to these companies ( Eddie knows many of his tickets will be snapped up by touts ) and this adds greater assurance he will sell out his events and can work out his profit margins more easily, the touts essentially take some of the risk on themselves. If touts weren’t around would the initial ticket prices be a little higher due to greater risk of empty seats? Probably.

The promoter's are happy with it. They pitch a price that makes them money, someone else takes a punt that there will be people prepared to pay more. They have no incentive to stop it. If they sell officially through distributors they'll have allocations, commissions and, depending on the structure, unsold tickets coming back to them. Getting rid of a chunk of wholesale tickets is money in the bank, restricts official supply, keeps demand high for remaining tix

Without touts, If you operate a fixed selling price and pay distributors commission then std prices might be higher to accommodate this.  If you are selling through your box office only, Potentially prices might be lower without touts. You'd have more to sell and wouldn't want the empty seats. Ultimately that comes down to your own assessment of demand for tickets and venue size, basic elasticity of demand. You'd expect your ticket strategy, lead times, available venues etc to all play a part in pricing, and of course your confidence in the marketability of your fighters and available promotional spend.

What isn't arguable is that to not officially condone touting, but to be sure of getting rid of an allocation of tickets for your shows, claiming sales are going well etc, is likely to be perceived as a benefit to a promoter... And not for the consumer.