The contradiction returns!!!

Just listening to Carl Froch on talksport tonight and it seems Carl is talking a whole load of BOLO again.

Can this man just say something........................and stick with it.

A few months ago on Sky Sports when asked about a possible fight against Andre Ward he stated that he would not be searching for a fight with Ward because ''Ward is the best supermiddle in the world and a far better boxer then I. No shame in being the second best super middle on the planet''

Tonight on talksport Froch states ''There is no point fighting Ward because all he does is hold and I don't believe that I lost to him''

''Ward is boring and if I don't knock him out I will loose on points so whats the point?''

''Ward would put a glass eye to sleep, you need a head pillow to watch his fights''

This guy is a F**KING miracle. So up himself and has shot down all talk of a Degale fight citing his lack of marketability and has shown real contempt for George Groves again.

Now he's singing Queen hits

F**k ME

Lol the sheer irony of you posting up this thread works on so many levels.

I use to be a fan but I think the guy is an idiot to be honest. Since the 1st groves fight when hes attitude was( he doesn't deserve to be in my presence let alone a boxing ring) also the interview after groves rebrasse where he says he doesn't want to come across as bitter but that's exactly how he comes across! When asked what does what does groves do well and he acted like he couldn't think of anything then said ( well he has bags of self belife) think he was a bit jealous of george boxing in a packed arena and it showed!

We all know when froch is talking about himself he can come across as a plank, when not talking about himself or anything related to himself he can talk sense

Agreed Wheelchair. He comes across as personable or even quite funny when he is relaxed and talking about anything other than himself, his legacy, or his standing in boxing. I think he is a really insecure guy. I personally don't think I've ever seen a better chin in this generation though so credit where it's due.

He is insecure which is a shame really as he has nothing to be insecure about in regards to his boxing career

Crazy how a guy with so much money and such a FIT missus can be insecure.....!!

"Ward is the best supermiddle in the world and a far better boxer then I. No shame in being the second best super middle on the planet''

Did he actually say that!?!

Yeh, I'm sceptical tbh.....

Qoxiivi wrote:"Ward is the best supermiddle in the world and a far better boxer then I. No shame in being the second best super middle on the planet''

Did he actually say that!?!

He did Qoxy

Of course its not word for word but its the same thing. When asked about a possible rematch with Ward he stated that Ward was a better fighter then he was and he would not pursue a fight as he would just loose again.

Now he is saying something totally different.

Carl is a plank in every setting outside a boxing ring. Good job he's a boxer and for my money he's the best active super middle in the world. Ward should be removed from all listings at this point.

So what did he actually say?

Here is what Froch said in June to Sky Sports about Ward

"He's a very, very good fighter and he beat me fair and square, he outpointed me. But he's messy, he's up close, he's awkward. He really is a bit of a spoiler. He's not somebody I'd be excited about getting in the ring with.
Read more at http://www.espn.co.uk/boxing/sport/story/313073.html#JGlj8U7HgaofTfOP.99

In stark contrast to the dribble he spewed about Ward last night including stating that he never felt like he lost to Ward after their fight.

Unsurprising to see V2's resident conspiracy theorist seeing something that isn't there.........

I've said it before...............Froch has the same hangups as Larry Holmes who is still moaning now....Terrible insecurity..

Both Men have huge shadows over them..

Holmes had Ali...............and Froch had one of the greatest Brits of alltime in Calzaghe....

Unfortunately they feel whatever they do they can't live up to those fighters in Sports fans eyes.... even though they believe they deserve to be rated with them.......

Ever seen how Froch smiles like a kid when some one is flattering him..........See the disdain in which he talks about Groves...Someone he deems beneath him....How dare a fellow Brit that sneaked past Degale give him problems and disrespect him !!

Even on that help a child show on SKY sports he said "Look at this kid his fight is nothing like that of a "FOUR TIME WORLD CHAMPION"....

He has to remind people all the time of his achievements like Larry.......It's very revealing..

Watched a show with Larry on once with some camera crew and at the end of it his Mrs said "No one ever comes to see Larry anymore"...

There is the problem.... both of them need to be loved............They need to be appreciated.........

Froch is a British Larry Holmes................

Both deep down are nice guys.........and both need to let go !!!!!!!

It's like those god awful gym motivational quotes people put on Facebook about not competing with others and being the best version of yourself you can be.

If Truss is correct and Froch is bothered by the ghost of Calzaghe he should take solace in the fact he's achieved his absolute maximum. I'm say this as a compliment, Froch has squeezed out every drop of talent to achieve what he has in the sport. He's got an excellent CV, only one unavenged loss and was involved in the biggest fight on these shores in recent memory. All this for a man who doesn't have the outstanding attributes that some of his peers at super middleweight have.

What he does possess is a granite jaw, great athleticism and most importantly an incredible will to win. If he gets that fight in Vegas or if he retires tomorrow, he should be a satisfied man.

Dipper Brown wrote:It's like those god awful gym motivational quotes people put on Facebook about not competing with others and being the best version of yourself you can be.

If Truss is correct and Froch is bothered by the ghost of Calzaghe he should take solace in the fact he's achieved his absolute maximum. I'm say this as a compliment, Froch has squeezed out every drop of talent to achieve what he has in the sport. He's got an excellent CV, only one unavenged loss and was involved in the biggest fight on these shores in recent memory. All this for a man who doesn't have the outstanding attributes that some of his peers at super middleweight have.

What he does possess is a granite jaw, great athleticism and most importantly an incredible will to win. If he gets that fight in Vegas or if he retires tomorrow, he should be a satisfied man.

You and I both know, Foch will spend his days a bitter man failing to truly appreciate what he has (hot wife, two kids, impressive CV, admiration and respect of the majority of the public and press)

All I heard was a legend speak in legendary tones about his legendary achievements. Bow to him, you plebeian beings.

What did he say last night, you've stated your interpretation of unquoted words.

Seanusarrilius wrote:All I heard was a WARRIOR speak in WARRIOR-ary tones about his WARRIOR-ary achievements. Bow to him, you plebeian beings.  

Fixed that for ya (with thanks to STRONGBACK for the word "WARRIOR-ary)

Thanks Dave!

Froch is insecure but he is also just an @sshole. And has an @sshole brother. Probably runs in the family.

Froch's seems alright; Fury is mad as hatter; Chisora is interesting.

I don't mind any of them.

I like Warren AND Hearn too.

Was pleased to log in and see your article,Onetwoforever.I though that you had retired but no,you are keen to defend your undefeated record;Onetwoforever,you are a contradiction yourself, wrapped up in an enigma,wrapped up in an edition of The Star

Only listened to about half an hour of it last night. Classic Froch kind of interview - if you're one of the people who like him, you'll nod in agreement with everything he says. If you don't like him, it might send you in to meltdown. Steffan, Dave and Milky might be advised to steer clear of this one!

With regards to Ward, Froch said that he doesn't feel Ward beat him becuse he didn't feel like he'd been in a fight the day after, and wasn't aching all over. Therefore he feels that he has nothing to avenge. Said he was happy to avenge the Kessler defeat because he knew Kessler would stand in front of him and scrap it out, whereas Ward would just "hold, run for his life" etc.

Ward did not run. Hold? Sure, he held. He held, elbowed and pushed Froch about. He also clumped Froch a fair bit too. The scorecards flattered Carl big time, he was well beat and he knows it deep down. He can say whatever he likes but the reason he won't fight the Son of God again is purely because he doesn't stand a chance, not even a small one.

Don't know what you mean Chris. I'm a froch fanboy. The judges and audience failed to notice the silent beating he dished out to ward.

If the worrier, sorry warrior, wants to have a tear up with someone who comes to fight maybe he'd like to fight golovkin?

Froch should be thanking his lucky stars he Calzaghe wasn't around a few years later or we wouldn't be wasting our time talking about him. He is a good fighter and is as tough as they come but he isn't the greatest boxer. He just has sour grapes because deep down he knows he could never beat a superb technican like Ward.

To be fair to Froch, it's a rare fighter indeed who can come out and say without absolutely any equivocation or even half-excuses that someone is just too good for them, or that they'd never be able to beat them. I wouldn't really expect any fighter to come out and say that. My man Fat Toney has similarly spent twenty years telling everyone that Jones didn't really win the fight against him, just the track meet because all he did was run around the ring and pot-shot every now and then, apparently.

It's that fighter mentality that these guys have at the end of the day, and it's nowt that hundreds of other elite fighters haven't done before. I think the problem is that Froch just goes to extremes with it, which as you say Adam makes it look like it's crossed that fighting pride line and has morphed in to jealousy and bitterness. He conducted himself well on the night, but since then he's never really shown any humility over the Ward loss and has tried to give Ward as little credit as possible. If it was Ward goading him in to it or flaunting his win repeatedly then I'd understand, but usually it's Froch who takes the first swipe and who looks for reasons to poke fun at Ward's style and the way his career has stalled.

I don't blame Froch at all for not really fancying a second go at Ward, but if that's the case then I don't see any need for him to be so dismissive of him as a fighter. Saying that he's boring, couldn't beat you at your best, runs for his life etc just poses the question why Froch lost to him in the first place if you want to go down that route, and besides it matters for very little if you're not going to get back in the ring with him and prove what you're saying is correct.

He's dismissive because Ward makes him look human.........Not the legend he sees himself as..

AdamT wrote:Froch should be thanking his lucky stars he Calzaghe wasn't around a few years later or we wouldn't be wasting our time talking about him. He is a good fighter and is as tough as they come but he isn't the greatest boxer. He just has sour grapes because deep down he knows he could never beat a superb technican like Ward.

Well said !

You can say that of almost any boxer Adam so don't think you can throw the 'what if Calzaghe was around' at Froch, you never know Ward might have beaten him too. What if Monzon was around now, we wouldn't be hearing too much about Golovkin would we or what if Bob Foster was around etc.

Reckon Ward would have beaten JC.

Ward is a younger, fresh, harder hitting, busier version of the Hoppo JC had fits with. Don't seem him outworking Andre the way he was just about able to Berny.

Don't know if Calzaghe would have beat Ward but he would have put up a much betting showing than Froch.  Froch was thourougly outclassed by Ward.

To be fair to jc, I'm not sure we saw the best version of him against hoppo, even if hoppo manages to make everyone look rubbish.

I think from the eye test most would lean to ward, but Calzaghe gives him a different proposition to any he's faced. Jc was a brave fighter, he put himself in range and threw combinations, you can see ward picking him off as he came in, but Calzaghe would put him under more pressure than we've seen ward under to date. Tough fight to call with confidence.

Froch was outclassed by Ward, but he made a decent fist of it and probably gave as good an account of himself as he could. I think he gave Ward more to think about than Kessler, for instance. Don't think I gave Kessler a round in that one. But I agree it's hard to see how he could beat Ward on the basis of that fight and how Froch has tended to struggle on a regular basis against quicker, more technical boxers. Might take another punch like the one that flattened Groves, but it's a hell of a lot harder to land that kind of shot on Ward and chances are you'll be a few rounds down beforehand even if you did land it.

As for Ward-Calzaghe, I'd go with Ward. As Milky says, not a sure-fire thing but I tend to think that Ward holds small advantages over Calzaghe in just about every area which might make a difference in the fight aside from engine / stamina. Calzaghe's volume isn't easy to get around but even against an older Hopkins we saw how badly that output dropped by his standards against a guy with a tight defence and awkward inside game. There are some similarities between Ward and Hopkins, but that 43-year-old version of B-Hop didn't have Ward's basic speed or freshness. Ward is very good at making sure he's either right on the outside or getting right in close to you to punch and smother what's coming back, so it's hard to make volume punching work against that kind of fighter. Calzaghe wasn't as good inside as Ward, for me.

Close fight, especially if Calzaghe closes the margin in the last couple of rounds as you'd expect, but I think Ward being the more adaptable, three-dimensional fighter would see him take a decision.

Think is, who did JC ever fight that was as good as Ward?

Nobody.

Though I'd agree he'd put up a better showing than Froch, mainly because he is simply out and out better.

TopHat24/7 wrote:Think is, who did JC ever fight that was as good as Ward?

Nobody.

Though I'd agree he'd put up a better showing than Froch, mainly because he is simply out and out better.

Cant agree with you on that reasoning you chubby lieinwait-er. Who has ward fought who is as good as Calzaghe? Personally feel that JC steps it up and turns it in a narrow UD or SD, largely due to the amount of time ward takes his foot off the gas against all his opponents. Reckon its probably due to stamina issues. Ward is superior boxer but I wonder if he'd like to fight at Calzaghes breakneck pace who also has an ability to adjust quickly in fights. Ward may well take it but I don't think it would be his as comfortably as most people perceive.

That goes both ways to be fair, Toppy; Calzaghe is better than anyone Ward has faced so far, too. Ward hasn't had any real close fights at championship level aside from Bika to an extent, but I'd expect Calzaghe to give him one. Also have to consider that Ward hasn't faced anyone you'd really say is all that similar to Calzaghe styles-wise, whereas Calzaghe does at least have Hopkins. The down side is that it was a worn Hopkins past his prime and that not everyone is convinced Calzaghe won the fight.

You'd have to be a fool to dismiss Calzaghe out of hand in this one, but for me Ward just has a bit too much to call on. Think his strengths are slightly better for taking advantage of Calzaghe's weaknesses than vice versa and he's more adaptable than Joe. I know some people have misgivings about Ward's stamina, largely based on the fact that he looked a bit jaded and happy to play it safe without mixing it up too much in the last 3 rounds or so against  Froch. But Froch is a bit of a freak in that department and usually looks better than everyone he fights in the championship rounds, the Dirrell fight aside curiously enough. So I don't think Ward's stamina is as creaky as others might. The Bika fight was neck and neck for about eight rounds before Ward took control in the late stages and upped his game, for example.

It's got distance fight written all over it, and with Calzaghe's track record I'd expect him to maybe look fresher in the last couple of rounds or so, but I think Ward would have banked enough of the early ones to stay in control. But it'd be a competitive fight whoever you think wins it.

Calzaghe is a southpaw too..............Which always make life a little more awkward..

Ward just..

Neither has fought someone as good as the other, but JC has struggled against Hoppo - which is the most telling indicator, IMO.

Think it'd be tight, but if you can only scrape past Hoppo I don't see how you're going to be magically different against a younger hard-hitting version.

He was 36 when he fought Hopkins..

Theres that and the state of his hands more or less mush at the point

I'd pick Calzaghe to beat Ward in a close fight but one he pulls out the back in the final few rounds where I believe Ward will start to tire as he often has. There's an obvious comparison to the Hopkins fight but I don't necessarily think Ward has the nous to spoil someone of Calzaghes calibre.

How did the Hopkins Calzaghe fight end? I remember watching it, and then the wind started blowing, and I found something more entertaining to do on a Sunday morning

The best thing about that fight was Max Kellerman disagreeing with everything Hoppo said in the post-fight interview.

'I took him to school'
'Bernard, you're drunk'.

For me it really depends when they fought during their careers. Calzaghe before the hands got really bad I'd back to win most of the time, the power he used to carry coupled with his volume would wear Ward down, but the Calzaghe who fought Hopkins I'd have it a genuine 50/50.

This article made me laugh fair do. Gee...good old Carl he is a card and a half fair do and never changes. I dunno...he is one in a million that boy I tell ya

Steffan wrote:This article made me laugh fair do. Gee...good old Carl he is a card and a half fair do and never changes. I dunno...he is one in a million that boy I tell ya

He was sculpted from meteor fragments.

He is a warrior, a legend. If you look up the word truth in the dictionary, you see only his face. He is, in essence, our father.