Wales vs NZ

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Team announced
15. Leigh Halfpenny (Toulon)
14. Alex Cuthbert (Cardiff Blues)
13. Jonathan Davies (Clermont Auvergne)
12. Jamie Roberts (Racing Metro)
11. George North (Northampton Saints)
10. Dan Biggar (Ospreys)
9. Rhys Webb (Ospreys)

1. Paul James (Bath)
2. Richard Hibbard (Gloucester)
3. Samson Lee (Scarlets)
4. Jake Ball (Scarlets)
5. Alun Wyn Jones (Ospreys)
6. Dan Lydiate (Unattached)
7. Sam Warburton (Cardiff Blues, CAPT)
8. Taulupe Faletau (Newport Gwent Dragons)

Replacements:
16. Scott Baldwin (Ospreys)
17. Nicky Smith (Ospreys)
18. Rhodri Jones (Scarlets)
19. Luke Charteris (Racing Metro)
20. Justin Tipuric (Ospreys)
21. Mike Phillips (Racing Metro)
22. James Hook (Gloucester)
23. Liam Williams (Scarlets)

by DeludedOptimistorjustDave Sat Nov 22, 2014 8:02 pm

Otagolad wrote:Very well played Wales, however the Refs have had a shocker on this Northern tour - if Barnes isn't relegated to club rugby after that I don't know how bad he has to get. The refs have gone out looking to get opposition teams a win and it's just been the AB's ability that has nullified the refs influence on this tour.

I'm not sure that one "in front of the kicker" call has been made all tour and today Barnes tried his best to favour Wales - he was looking right at the tackled in the air incident and it took Joubert making a call from the sideline to get it right, Warburton's big break came from a Welh knock-onand penalising the AB's scrum when they had caused the Welsh front row to pop up just showed how much Barnes was looking to help Wales.

I could go on, however the post would be the length of a novel - I just hope that the IRB get the reffing right in time for the World Cup.

Yep sure, lets avoid the break down thou because Barnes wouldn't give Wales an Inch at attempting the steal but black jerseys treating the ruck as a swimming pool

by aucklandlaurie Sat Nov 22, 2014 8:04 pm

On the "In front of the kicker" I first felt that the ball touching the Welsh player put the "off side" New Zealander on side, but then if the ball came back off the Welshman (without it being a knock on )and on to Barretts leg then the New Zealander would have been off side, But why didnt Barnes signal that.

Your right about the Warburton incident, he couldnt believe his luck.

by Otagolad Sat Nov 22, 2014 8:08 pm

RDSguru wrote:
Otagolad wrote:Very well played Wales, however the Refs have had a shocker on this Northern tour - if Barnes isn't relegated to club rugby after that I don't know how bad he has to get. The refs have gone out looking to get opposition teams a win and it's just been the AB's ability that has nullified the refs influence on this tour.

I'm not sure that one "in front of the kicker" call has been made all tour and today Barnes tried his best to favour Wales - he was looking right at the tackled in the air incident and it took Joubert making a call from the sideline to get it right, Warburton's big break came from a Welh knock-onand penalising the AB's scrum when they had caused the Welsh front row to pop up just showed how much Barnes was looking to help Wales.

I could go on, however the post would be the length of a novel - I just hope that the IRB get the reffing right in time for the World Cup.

Jeepers.. I think you need to see that this is a thread about the game, not this is a paranoid AB supporter thread!

Not paranoid - just calling it as it is and I have commented on the match, just on a specific aspect of it i.e. the poor reffing - this game shouldn't have been anywhere near as close as it was and that is due to some pretty poor officiating. Fair play to Wales for playing to the ref, however a lot of huff and puff for 65 mins and the advantage of the ref will only get you so far.

by Otagolad Sat Nov 22, 2014 8:11 pm

aucklandlaurie wrote: On the "In front of the kicker" I first felt that the ball touching the Welsh player put the "off side" New Zealander on side, but then if the ball came back off the Welshman (without it being a knock on )and on to Barretts leg then the New Zealander would have been off side, But why didnt Barnes signal that.

Your right about the Warburton incident, he couldnt believe his luck.

Hi AL - it wasn't just one incident though - it's been a major issue all year in all games and I'm beginning to wonder what the Touchies are doing.

by RDSguru Sat Nov 22, 2014 8:14 pm

Otagolad wrote:
RDSguru wrote:
Otagolad wrote:Very well played Wales, however the Refs have had a shocker on this Northern tour - if Barnes isn't relegated to club rugby after that I don't know how bad he has to get. The refs have gone out looking to get opposition teams a win and it's just been the AB's ability that has nullified the refs influence on this tour.

I'm not sure that one "in front of the kicker" call has been made all tour and today Barnes tried his best to favour Wales - he was looking right at the tackled in the air incident and it took Joubert making a call from the sideline to get it right, Warburton's big break came from a Welh knock-onand penalising the AB's scrum when they had caused the Welsh front row to pop up just showed how much Barnes was looking to help Wales.

I could go on, however the post would be the length of a novel - I just hope that the IRB get the reffing right in time for the World Cup.

Jeepers.. I think you need to see that this is a thread about the game, not this is a paranoid AB supporter thread!

Not paranoid - just calling it as it is and I have commented on the match, just on a specific aspect of it i.e. the poor reffing - this game shouldn't have been anywhere near as close as it was and that is due to some pretty poor officiating. Fair play to Wales for playing to the ref, however a lot of huff and puff for 65 mins and the advantage of the ref will only get you so far.

Not going to argue with the result of this match.... Wales flatter to decieve as usual... but "The refs have gone out looking to get opposition teams a win and it's just been the AB's ability that has nullified the refs influence on this tour." is a bit more than this game ... and sorry sounds paranoid to me... hey ho just my HO

by aucklandlaurie Sat Nov 22, 2014 8:17 pm

Otago, Ive often felt over the last couple of years that the coaches and players are playing the game at a much higher level than the referees are reffing it.

The decision that really confused me was the Wyatt Crockett getting penalised for going through a Welsh front row that was in fragments. Perhaps hes meant to turn round to the 600 kilos of beef behind them and tell them to stop pushing?

by blackcanelion Sat Nov 22, 2014 8:20 pm

Otagolad wrote:
aucklandlaurie wrote: On the "In front of the kicker" I first felt that the ball touching the Welsh player put the "off side" New Zealander on side, but then if the ball came back off the Welshman (without it being a knock on )and on to Barretts leg then the New Zealander would have been off side, But why didnt Barnes signal that.

Your right about the Warburton incident, he couldnt believe his luck.

Hi AL - it wasn't just one incident though - it's been a major issue all year in all games and I'm beginning to wonder what the Touchiest are doing.

To be fair, some of the monitoring of offside were probably the assistants responsibility. The Welsh were pretty rampant this game, whether adjacent to the ruck or ahead of the kicker. The refereeing of ruck's been interesting this tour, even the Heralds Scottish reporter, Gregor Paul, has been bemused by it.

At the end of the day you have to play to the ref. I thought Slade made a huge tactical difference. I'm not convinced by Barrett. Thought Wales played well, probably the hardest game of the tour.

by Otagolad Sat Nov 22, 2014 8:23 pm

aucklandlaurie wrote:Otago, Ive often felt over the last couple of years that the coaches and players are playing the game at a much higher level than the referees are reffing it.

The decision that really confused me was the Wyatt Crockett getting penalised for going through a Welsh front row that was in fragments. Perhaps hes meant to turn round to the 600 kilos of beef behind them and tell them to stop pushing?

Totally agree and it smacked of Banes looking for any sliver of a reason to penalise the AB's - when a scrum is that dominNt the penalty goes to the dominant team but oh no not according to Barnes. This type of reffing has left McCaw, the AB's and coaches and us fans totally perplexed all year.

One thing I think the AB's do need to reconsider is all the kicking they are doing - we aren't playing with enough possession and we we do finally start holding on to the ball in the last 20 look what we do.

by The Saint Sat Nov 22, 2014 8:24 pm

Wouldn't like to see this get derailed by either set of fans. I didn't see NZ swimming in the ruck. And often I find when ABs aren't the best team in the world for 30 minutes or more we get a few complaints of ref handouts from specific fans. I guess you guys and Barnes have a bit of history though.

All-in-all, looking forward to a new account showing up tomorrow and reading a one-eyed review.

by aucklandlaurie Sat Nov 22, 2014 8:25 pm

Kia, I looked at that from a completely different angle, I cant help but think that Hansen knew after seeing the first fifteen minutes of Welsh defence that he was going to finish the game with barrett at fullback, it was the only way they were going to get the ball to Savea.

Couldnt do it earlier as he would have had to sacrifice Piutau who was on fire.

by nobbled Sat Nov 22, 2014 8:29 pm

The Saint wrote:Wouldn't like to see this get derailed by either set of fans. I didn't see NZ swimming in the ruck. And often I find when ABs aren't the best team in the world for 30 minutes or more we get a few complaints of ref handouts from specific fans. I guess you guys and Barnes have a bit of history though.

All-in-all, looking forward to a new account showing up tomorrow and reading a one-eyed review.

Surely not a ghost of a chance of that!

by aucklandlaurie Sat Nov 22, 2014 8:29 pm

The Saint wrote:Wouldn't like to see this get derailed by either set of fans. I didn't see NZ swimming in the ruck. And often I find when ABs aren't the best team in the world for 30 minutes or more we get a few complaints of ref handouts from specific fans. I guess you guys and Barnes have a bit of history though.

All-in-all, looking forward to a new account showing up tomorrow and reading a one-eyed review.

Holy one, can you put up the post match player ratings comparison from the Welsh jornalist that did the ratings before the game please? havent laughed so much for years. and I"ll put up Ratts' comments, hes bound to do a Player comparison as well.

by The Saint Sat Nov 22, 2014 8:32 pm

aucklandlaurie wrote:
The Saint wrote:Wouldn't like to see this get derailed by either set of fans. I didn't see NZ swimming in the ruck. And often I find when ABs aren't the best team in the world for 30 minutes or more we get a few complaints of ref handouts from specific fans. I guess you guys and Barnes have a bit of history though.

All-in-all, looking forward to a new account showing up tomorrow and reading a one-eyed review.

Holy one, can you put up the post match player ratings comparison from the Welsh jornalist that did the ratings before the game please? havent laughed so much for years. and I"ll put up Ratts' comments, hes bound to do a Player comparison as well.

Classy. Shame you and Otagolad can't enjoy the rugby and would rather post lowlife comments. I'm sure you can subscribe to Wales online updates if that is of interest to you.

by RDSguru Sat Nov 22, 2014 8:35 pm

aucklandlaurie wrote:
The Saint wrote:Wouldn't like to see this get derailed by either set of fans. I didn't see NZ swimming in the ruck. And often I find when ABs aren't the best team in the world for 30 minutes or more we get a few complaints of ref handouts from specific fans. I guess you guys and Barnes have a bit of history though.

All-in-all, looking forward to a new account showing up tomorrow and reading a one-eyed review.

Holy one, can you put up the post match player ratings comparison from the Welsh jornalist that did the ratings before the game please? havent laughed so much for years. and I"ll put up Ratts' comments, hes bound to do a Player comparison as well.

Why don't you post this on the Tee Double Yew @ thread re: player rating thread?

by aucklandlaurie Sat Nov 22, 2014 8:38 pm

The Saint wrote:
aucklandlaurie wrote:
The Saint wrote:Wouldn't like to see this get derailed by either set of fans. I didn't see NZ swimming in the ruck. And often I find when ABs aren't the best team in the world for 30 minutes or more we get a few complaints of ref handouts from specific fans. I guess you guys and Barnes have a bit of history though.

All-in-all, looking forward to a new account showing up tomorrow and reading a one-eyed review.

Holy one, can you put up the post match player ratings comparison from the Welsh jornalist that did the ratings before the game please? havent laughed so much for years. and I"ll put up Ratts' comments, hes bound to do a Player comparison as well.

Classy. Shame you and Otagolad can't enjoy the rugby and would rather post lowlife comments. I'm sure you can subscribe to Wales online updates if that is of interest to you.

Its just a bit of fun, what is wales on line?

by Otagolad Sat Nov 22, 2014 8:40 pm

The Saint wrote:Wouldn't like to see this get derailed by either set of fans. I didn't see NZ swimming in the ruck. And often I find when ABs aren't the best team in the world for 30 minutes or more we get a few complaints of ref handouts from specific fans. I guess you guys and Barnes have a bit of history though.

All-in-all, looking forward to a new account showing up tomorrow and reading a one-eyed review.

Actually, the history with Barnes is now in the distance past and it wasn't him that got the forward pass wrong in that QF, it was the Touchies. I look at each game individually and each officiating crew'sperformance in isolation in relation to the particular game, however it is becoming a concern that over the last few games refs have acted in ways that indicate a predisposition to "even" the contest by finding reasons to advantage the opposition.

That isn't to say that the AB's haven't had things go their way at times but the proclivity of incidents being ruled in favour of opposition teams that are clearly wrong is heavily weighted against the AB's.

by RDSguru Sat Nov 22, 2014 8:44 pm

Otagolad wrote:
The Saint wrote:Wouldn't like to see this get derailed by either set of fans. I didn't see NZ swimming in the ruck. And often I find when ABs aren't the best team in the world for 30 minutes or more we get a few complaints of ref handouts from specific fans. I guess you guys and Barnes have a bit of history though.

All-in-all, looking forward to a new account showing up tomorrow and reading a one-eyed review.

Actually, the history with Barnes is now in the distance past and it wasn't him that got the forward pass wrong in that QF, it was the Touchies. I look at each game individually and each officiating crew'sperformance in isolation in relation to the particular game, however it is becoming a concern that over the last few games refs have acted in ways that indicate a predisposition to "even" the contest by finding reasons to advantage the opposition.

That isn't to say that the AB's haven't had things go their way at times but the proclivity of incidents being ruled in favour of opposition teams that are clearly wrong is heavily weighted against the AB's.

You are right... just because you are paranoid doesn't mean they are not after you! Doh

by Otagolad Sat Nov 22, 2014 8:47 pm

The Saint wrote:
aucklandlaurie wrote:
The Saint wrote:Wouldn't like to see this get derailed by either set of fans. I didn't see NZ swimming in the ruck. And often I find when ABs aren't the best team in the world for 30 minutes or more we get a few complaints of ref handouts from specific fans. I guess you guys and Barnes have a bit of history though.

All-in-all, looking forward to a new account showing up tomorrow and reading a one-eyed review.

Holy one, can you put up the post match player ratings comparison from the Welsh jornalist that did the ratings before the game please? havent laughed so much for years. and I"ll put up Ratts' comments, hes bound to do a Player comparison as well.

Classy. Shame you and Otagolad can't enjoy the rugby and would rather post lowlife comments. I'm sure you can subscribe to Wales online updates if that is of interest to you.

Thoroughly enjoyed the rugby, just getting frustrated at the way games are being reffed and what is wrong with that - hardly a lowlife comment. If we had been beaten or it was actually close then I would accept you'd have a reason to question my comments, however you might want to open your eyes and actually watch the game properly and you'll see what we are talking about.

by Bullsbok Sat Nov 22, 2014 8:53 pm

Quick question , has there been some form of directive from World Rugby nee IRB :p about breakdowns in the north vs the south . in the AIs it seems the teams get away with general breakdown sloppiness thats punished heavily down south . Example would be Phipps ,Reinach and Smith getting hounded at each breakdown by tacklers from the other side .In SR and RC tacklers get penalised for taking out the scrummie if the ball is still in the ruck but today all three got no protection from the refs.Another notable one was the constant kicking of balls in the ruck by people coming in from the side. Rarely see anyone get away with it during summer. Or am i just being paranoid?

by Guest Sat Nov 22, 2014 8:55 pm

The ABs were there for the taking at 60 minutes. Webb played well so good on him for backing up. Pity his bench were hopeless and cost them the game along with the ABs nullifying the flat (offside) defence late in the game with little dink kicks. Wales created no real chances other than their try so it was just a matter of outwitting their defence, which they did very well in the end.

Barnes did ok I thought and probably made an average number of odd calls as expected by refs in test matches these days. Picked up a few marginal forward passes. Didnt send Coles to the bench for running in (Owens would have). Didn't slow the game down by going to the TMO every 5 minutes like Owens did. Barnes imo, was far superior to Owens' recent performance. Barnes has probably leap frogged Owens in the pecking order. He's more fitter and kept up better with the game than Owens.

by Bullsbok Sat Nov 22, 2014 8:59 pm

ebop wrote:The ABs were there for the taking at 60 minutes. Webb played well so good on him for backing up. Pity his bench were hopeless and cost them the game along with the ABs nullifying the flat (offside) defence late in the game with little dink kicks. Wales created no real chances other than their try so it was just a matter of outwitting their defence, which they did very well in the end.

Barnes did ok I thought and probably made an average number of odd calls as expected by refs in test matches these days. Picked up a few marginal forward passes. Didnt send Coles to the bench for running in (Owens would have). Didn't slow the game down by going to the TMO every 5 minutes like Owens did. Barnes imo, was far superior to Owens' recent performance. Barnes has probably leap frogged Owens in the pecking order. He's more fitter and kept up better with the game than Owens.

The All blacks are only there for the taking if you're leading by 8 points with 1min to go

by Guest Sat Nov 22, 2014 9:01 pm

And well done Brodie, the ABs and Shag.

Proud of you guys Smile

by aucklandlaurie Sat Nov 22, 2014 9:04 pm

Bullsbok wrote:Quick question , has there been some form of directive from World Rugby nee IRB :p about breakdowns in the north vs the south . in the AIs it seems the teams get away with general breakdown sloppiness thats punished heavily down south . Example would be Phipps ,Reinach and Smith getting hounded at each breakdown by tacklers from the other side .In SR and RC tacklers get penalised for taking out the scrummie if the ball is still in the ruck but today all three got no protection from the refs.Another notable one was the constant kicking of balls in the ruck by people coming in from the side. Rarely see anyone get away with it during summer. Or am i just being paranoid?

I recall discussing this very point with someone (I think it might have been Biltong) about six months ago. Then again,maybe we are all paranoid?

by kingraf Sat Nov 22, 2014 9:05 pm

Ah, the old NZ pull away near the death, huh? I know that trick only too well.

by The Saint Sat Nov 22, 2014 9:06 pm

Otagolad wrote:
The Saint wrote:
aucklandlaurie wrote:
The Saint wrote:Wouldn't like to see this get derailed by either set of fans. I didn't see NZ swimming in the ruck. And often I find when ABs aren't the best team in the world for 30 minutes or more we get a few complaints of ref handouts from specific fans. I guess you guys and Barnes have a bit of history though.

All-in-all, looking forward to a new account showing up tomorrow and reading a one-eyed review.

Holy one, can you put up the post match player ratings comparison from the Welsh jornalist that did the ratings before the game please? havent laughed so much for years. and I"ll put up Ratts' comments, hes bound to do a Player comparison as well.

Classy. Shame you and Otagolad can't enjoy the rugby and would rather post lowlife comments. I'm sure you can subscribe to Wales online updates if that is of interest to you.

Thoroughly enjoyed the rugby, just getting frustrated at the way games are being reffed and what is wrong with that - hardly a lowlife comment. If we had been beaten or it was actually close then I would accept you'd have a reason to question my comments, however you might want to open your eyes and actually watch the game properly and you'll see what we are talking about.

Fair point, I do think there is a difference in refereeing between the North and South. We usually suffer when SH refs (Joubert) apply their interpretation at the breakdown. As for Owens, he is still in SH mode so it suits SH teams.

by The Saint Sat Nov 22, 2014 9:07 pm

aucklandlaurie wrote:
The Saint wrote:
aucklandlaurie wrote:
The Saint wrote:Wouldn't like to see this get derailed by either set of fans. I didn't see NZ swimming in the ruck. And often I find when ABs aren't the best team in the world for 30 minutes or more we get a few complaints of ref handouts from specific fans. I guess you guys and Barnes have a bit of history though.

All-in-all, looking forward to a new account showing up tomorrow and reading a one-eyed review.

Holy one, can you put up the post match player ratings comparison from the Welsh jornalist that did the ratings before the game please? havent laughed so much for years. and I"ll put up Ratts' comments, hes bound to do a Player comparison as well.

Classy. Shame you and Otagolad can't enjoy the rugby and would rather post lowlife comments. I'm sure you can subscribe to Wales online updates if that is of interest to you.

Its just a bit of fun, what is wales on line?

The only paper with the audacity to post an article like that. They'd be considered top journalists in NZ.

by aucklandlaurie Sat Nov 22, 2014 9:11 pm

The Saint wrote:
aucklandlaurie wrote:
The Saint wrote:
aucklandlaurie wrote:
The Saint wrote:Wouldn't like to see this get derailed by either set of fans. I didn't see NZ swimming in the ruck. And often I find when ABs aren't the best team in the world for 30 minutes or more we get a few complaints of ref handouts from specific fans. I guess you guys and Barnes have a bit of history though.

All-in-all, looking forward to a new account showing up tomorrow and reading a one-eyed review.

Holy one, can you put up the post match player ratings comparison from the Welsh jornalist that did the ratings before the game please? havent laughed so much for years. and I"ll put up Ratts' comments, hes bound to do a Player comparison as well.

Classy. Shame you and Otagolad can't enjoy the rugby and would rather post lowlife comments. I'm sure you can subscribe to Wales online updates if that is of interest to you.

Its just a bit of fun, what is wales on line?

The only paper with the audacity to post an article like that. They'd be considered top journalists in NZ.

We could definitely do with quality humour like that down here, all weve got is Ratts.

by mckay1402 Sat Nov 22, 2014 9:13 pm

Philips should not play again. That is all

by Guest Sat Nov 22, 2014 9:14 pm

It was a bit of quality satire alright. Very dry, but brilliant nonetheless. Will Bowel do a follow up piece? Hope someone can post it.

by Taylorman Sat Nov 22, 2014 9:25 pm

Bullsbok wrote:
ebop wrote:The ABs were there for the taking at 60 minutes. .

The All blacks are only there for the taking if you're leading by 8 points with 1min to go

Its actually at the point of Halfpennys kick that I thought the ABs had it under control. When our guys start getting the ball more out wide and those runners have 2 or 3 clear yards ahead of them when they havn't all game thats when you can see the pressure dropping off. When that starts the ABs can smell it and they hold nothing back. Then suddenly its over. And with Wales they'll have been expecting it.

Wales ability to close out matches vs the SH3 has let them down terribly last few years, particularly when theyve been able to match all 3 until 60 minutes, and thats gotta go back to those game finishing issues- fitness- mentally and physically through to 80 and the quality and continuity of the bench.

Today they played the last 15 like they expected it. heads down, fire gone. Take a leaf from Paul O'Connor who was still driving back oz with his tackling right on the bell.

by maestegmafia Sat Nov 22, 2014 9:32 pm

Taylorman wrote:
Bullsbok wrote:
ebop wrote:The ABs were there for the taking at 60 minutes. .

The All blacks are only there for the taking if you're leading by 8 points with 1min to go

Its actually at the point of Halfpennys kick that I thought the ABs had it under control. When our guys start getting the ball more out wide and those runners have 2 or 3 clear yards ahead of them when they havn't all game thats when you can see the pressure dropping off. When that starts the ABs can smell it and they hold nothing back. Then suddenly its over. And with Wales they'll have been expecting it.

Wales ability to close out matches vs the SH3 has let them down terribly last few years, particularly when theyve been able to match all 3 until 60 minutes, and thats gotta go back to those game finishing issues- fitness- mentally and physically through to 80 and the quality and continuity of the bench.

Today they played the last 15 like they expected it. heads down, fire gone. Take a leaf from Paul O'Connor who was still driving back oz with his tackling right on the bell.

Today it was substitutes. Phillips was not the player of a few years ago.

The return of Gareth Davies to push Webb at nine will be a massive boost for Wales.

by Taylorman Sat Nov 22, 2014 10:09 pm

Gotta reflect on the skill levels in the last 15 minutes though. Coles 30m run down the right- who has their styarting hooker run 30 meters near the end? Barrets chip and chase- sure a bit of luck with the bounce but he placed it and positioned himself in the best possible position to recover it.

Barretts crossfield kick for kaino's try. Flat and fast with pinpoint accuracy giving Wales no chance to defend it.

Reads charge down and control over the line, Slades kick and Ben Smiths tapping it back for Barett.

This was pretty classy stuff so it wasn't just the Welsh tiring. The AB's ability to utilise space to the max under pressure is still there and why they're able to finish out close matches. A huge engine and deft skills at the end is near impossible to beat when they get into that mode.

by Allty Sat Nov 22, 2014 10:25 pm

[quote="glamorganalun"]Hope this is the end for Phillips[/quote]

Seconded I told those around me that the introduction of Phillips and the tall guy would lose us the game.

by Guest Sat Nov 22, 2014 10:33 pm

ebop wrote:It was a bit of quality satire alright. Very dry, but brilliant nonetheless. Will Bowel do a follow up piece? Hope someone can post it.

http://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/rugby/rugby-news/wales-vs-new-zealand-ratings-8158165

by blackcanelion Sat Nov 22, 2014 10:41 pm

Risca Rev wrote:
ebop wrote:It was a bit of quality satire alright. Very dry, but brilliant nonetheless. Will Bowel do a follow up piece? Hope someone can post it.

http://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/rugby/rugby-news/wales-vs-new-zealand-ratings-8158165

Just read them. I'm guessing Wales won.

by Guest Sat Nov 22, 2014 10:47 pm

George North was awful in this game as well, I think his sole contributions was giving away a penalty by talking Piatau in the air and handing NZ possession when he tried to catch a ball going into touch

by Guest Sat Nov 22, 2014 11:07 pm

At least Howell is consistent. Sorry i thought his name was Bowel, my mistake.

by aucklandlaurie Sat Nov 22, 2014 11:12 pm

Jerome Kaino 7 / Dan Lydiate 8.

Might take into account that Lydiate was in the grandstand when Jerome scored his try. (I think)

by R!skysports Sat Nov 22, 2014 11:33 pm

Otagolad wrote:
RDSguru wrote:
Otagolad wrote:Very well played Wales, however the Refs have had a shocker on this Northern tour - if Barnes isn't relegated to club rugby after that I don't know how bad he has to get. The refs have gone out looking to get opposition teams a win and it's just been the AB's ability that has nullified the refs influence on this tour.

I'm not sure that one "in front of the kicker" call has been made all tour and today Barnes tried his best to favour Wales - he was looking right at the tackled in the air incident and it took Joubert making a call from the sideline to get it right, Warburton's big break came from a Welh knock-onand penalising the AB's scrum when they had caused the Welsh front row to pop up just showed how much Barnes was looking to help Wales.

I could go on, however the post would be the length of a novel - I just hope that the IRB get the reffing right in time for the World Cup.

Jeepers.. I think you need to see that this is a thread about the game, not this is a paranoid AB supporter thread!

Not paranoid - just calling it as it is and I have commented on the match, just on a specific aspect of it i.e. the poor reffing - this game shouldn't have been anywhere near as close as it was and that is due to some pretty poor officiating. Fair play to Wales for playing to the ref, however a lot of huff and puff for 65 mins and the advantage of the ref will only get you so far.

Maybe you did not see the Scotland Vs NZ match then - Scotland - the only team to get called for a squint feed into the scrum all AI

It goes both ways - and in fact often the better team gets the rub of the ref - and fans tend to only see / remember the ones that go against their team

by Guest Sat Nov 22, 2014 11:52 pm

Have to say, Wales defended brilliantly for a lot of that game, SA-like. Think it was the hooker, he was a scud missile and you could hear some of the hits on TV.

by The Saint Sun Nov 23, 2014 12:04 am

Taylorman wrote:
Bullsbok wrote:
ebop wrote:The ABs were there for the taking at 60 minutes. .

The All blacks are only there for the taking if you're leading by 8 points with 1min to go

Its actually at the point of Halfpennys kick that I thought the ABs had it under control. When our guys start getting the ball more out wide and those runners have 2 or 3 clear yards ahead of them when they havn't all game thats when you can see the pressure dropping off. When that starts the ABs can smell it and they hold nothing back. Then suddenly its over. And with Wales they'll have been expecting it.

Wales ability to close out matches vs the SH3 has let them down terribly last few years, particularly when theyve been able to match all 3 until 60 minutes, and thats gotta go back to those game finishing issues- fitness- mentally and physically through to 80 and the quality and continuity of the bench.

Today they played the last 15 like they expected it. heads down, fire gone. Take a leaf from Paul O'Connor who was still driving back oz with his tackling right on the bell.

A lot of teams have competed with the big 3 and fell away in the dying moments, it can be seen if you look at results across the board. I find it a bit weird that it only happens to be a Wales thing. Congratulations again. IRB player of the year, team of the year and coach of the year, that's an excellent return.

by glamorganalun Sun Nov 23, 2014 12:12 am

The Wales on Line scores were over the top for Falatau he should get 4 along with North, P James 5 at most and the ref 5. It is a shame they did not score the subs that cost the game along with the coaches as the scrums and line out were a shambles.

by The Saint Sun Nov 23, 2014 12:13 am

Today might also diminish the on-going myth that Paul James is better scrummager. I don't know how he copes in the premiership.

by SecretFly Sun Nov 23, 2014 12:14 am

I think Coach of the Year should have gone to a man who dragged a team from 9th to 3rd in 18th months.

by aucklandlaurie Sun Nov 23, 2014 12:24 am

ebop wrote:Have to say, Wales defended brilliantly for a lot of that game, SA-like. Think it was the hooker, he was a scud missile and you could hear some of the hits on TV.

Yes they did defend brilliantly, so much so that it was always going to be impossible to keep it up for 80 minutes.

by Guest Sun Nov 23, 2014 12:33 am

Must have been a close call. When was the decision made, pre AIs? Right now, after beating SA and the Wallabies, it'd be fair to say there's a good case for Ireland to be team and coach of the year. Wouldn't have had a problem with that.

by Guest Sun Nov 23, 2014 12:37 am

That's always the thing eh Laurie, knowing that teams generally fade is the ace up our sleeves. We have just enough bulk to stop teams running over us but also just enough fitness, skills, pace and composure to strike at the end. Good balance.

by Barney McGrew did it Sun Nov 23, 2014 1:24 am

Looked like Wales gave so much in the 1st 60 that there was nothing left in the tank - certainly in the last 10mins or so they all looked shattered. And their bench had no impact.

Don't think that much of the AB's #14, and they need a kicker who can kick his goals. But they just keep going.

by Guest Sun Nov 23, 2014 3:00 am

glamorganalun wrote:The Wales on Line scores were over the top for Falatau he should get 4 along with North, P James 5 at most and the ref 5. It is a shame they did not score the subs that cost the game along with the coaches as the scrums and line out were a shambles.

Faletau a four? Get real mun. Very hypocritical to say somebody is going overboard and then do the same yourself. He was probably about a 6, given he had a very good assist.

by blackcanelion Sun Nov 23, 2014 5:32 am

Barney McGrew did it wrote:Looked like Wales gave so much in the 1st 60 that there was nothing left in the tank - certainly in the last 10mins or so they all looked shattered. And their bench had no impact.

Don't think that much of the AB's #14, and they need a kicker who can kick his goals. But they just keep going.

Probably fair enough. I think Barrett, B Smith, Piatiu, SBW and a bunch of the reserves would have got a bit out of the experience. Still a bit of a development game. We need the depth for next year. The world cup's at difficult time of year for us. The good thing is the players have had time in jersey and will have work ons for next year.

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