Ongoing NFL Discussion Thread V

by GSC Sun Dec 14, 2014 8:24 pm

First topic message reminder :

Manziel is learning school yard football doesn't cut it in the NFL.

Until he learns the basics this will continue

by twelve283 Mon Jan 19, 2015 3:18 am

trollolololol

by mikeygnfl Mon Jan 19, 2015 3:26 am

At what point do the Patriots put Garoppolo in and rest Brady?

by twelve283 Mon Jan 19, 2015 3:46 am

OK get the starters out, don't like that hurdle.

by **Good Golly I'm Olly** Mon Jan 19, 2015 3:46 am

Jamie Collins is an absolute stud

by twelve283 Mon Jan 19, 2015 3:51 am

I repeat

twelve283 wrote:OK get the starters out

by Number-25 Mon Jan 19, 2015 9:20 am

It's the Super Bowl that 9 out of 10 of us would have predicted back in August/September. Lack of a surprise package is a bit boring but I do like a Belichick/Brady Super Bowl. I hope they stuff Seattle who, frankly, really shouldn't be there. Oh Green Bay.

by Lowlandbrit Mon Jan 19, 2015 10:09 am

It just wouldn't feel like a Patriots title run without a bit of cheating: http://deadspin.com/report-patriots-under-nfl-investigation-for-deflating-1680358128

In another stunning non-upset, Gary Kubiak is the new Denver HC.

by BamBam Mon Jan 19, 2015 11:20 am

Fair to say its the 2 most disliked teams in each conference?

But come on PATS!!!

by **Good Golly I'm Olly** Mon Jan 19, 2015 12:28 pm

I love how we just put up 45 points on a team and Gronk barely had a catch and we had Josh Kline starting on the O-line.

Gonna be a tight game come Arizona, no idea who will win yet. Seems like a FG game either way

by mikeygnfl Mon Jan 19, 2015 4:00 pm

It is the first time since 1985 that the two top seeds have reached successive Super Bowls and it is the first time since 1991 that the same division have had three successive teams in the Super Bowl.

by **Good Golly I'm Olly** Mon Jan 19, 2015 4:17 pm

Lowlandbrit wrote:It just wouldn't feel like a Patriots title run without a bit of cheating: http://deadspin.com/report-patriots-under-nfl-investigation-for-deflating-1680358128.

"@ChrisVillani44: The great contemporary American singer-songwriter Taylor Swift said it best, the players shall play whilst simultaneously, the haters hate"

by crazy_dave23 Mon Jan 19, 2015 8:35 pm

BamBam wrote:I feel sick enough just rooting for the Packers today, no idea how the real fans are feeling

Yeah... I feel wonderful...

I would describe that as throwing it (or rushing it) all away. 3 key moments to end it properly, or likely end it and we failed each time.

Olly wrote:Gonna be a tight game come Arizona, no idea who will win yet. Seems like a FG game either way

You said that before last night Whistle

by sodhat Tue Jan 20, 2015 9:59 am

I avoided the internet all day yesterday so I could watch the Pats/Colts game on Gamepass when I got home. AND THEN IT WAS STILL BLACKED OUT AND I LOST MY SH!T. Why bother offering a "Season Plus" package including the playoffs if you can't actually watch them live?

I hate the Seahawks so, so much. I can't believe I'm going to be pulling for a Patriots win, but I hope they play with flat balls and destroy the luckiest NFC Champion in history.

by GSC Tue Jan 20, 2015 10:30 am

At some point every winner gets lucky

by BamBam Tue Jan 20, 2015 10:43 am

But they are bell ends to be fair. Other than Wilson, I don't mind him

by sodhat Tue Jan 20, 2015 10:54 am

I was actually enjoying watching Wilson struggle. And now he gets praise for throwing 4 INTs and nearly costing his team the game but somehow still winning.

Special teams won the game for them.

by **Good Golly I'm Olly** Tue Jan 20, 2015 5:24 pm

I've seen loads of people saying this is the most uninspiring super bowl in years, not excited for the game

How can you not be excited for the two best teams in football going head to head on the biggest stage?!

by sodhat Tue Jan 20, 2015 5:53 pm

Playing Devil's advocate:

"Because the Seahawks lucked out and the Patriots are cheaters."

(I am excited for the game though)

by GSC Tue Jan 20, 2015 8:15 pm

Seahawks and Patriots games are usually ****ing boring.

Half of Sunday aside

by sodhat Wed Jan 21, 2015 10:30 am

http://espn.go.com/boston/story/_/id/12202450/nfl-says-new-england-patriots-had-inflated-footballs-afc-championship-game

Interesting report, if perhaps unofficial.

What now? The year started with Ray Rice and ends with a potential cheater in the Super Bowl...

by GSC Wed Jan 21, 2015 10:49 am

Yeah its why the Pats are great winners and why they're so unlikable. Belichick will take any advantage he can get, small or large, and sometimes legal or not. Id hope it wouldn't be some later picks given he's a serial offender.

by TM Moot Wed Jan 21, 2015 1:16 pm

oh green bay... a seattle blow out would of been far less painful Sad

wonder what the in-game odds were like?

anyhows, come on you Pats (shiver...)

by **Good Golly I'm Olly** Wed Jan 21, 2015 1:27 pm

The nfl ball rules are pretty ridiculous, why you wouldn't just have the refs have the game balls I dunno. Bit stupid if we have done that, but hardly the end of life (Rodgers for example is on record saying he likes his balls overinflated)

Am finding it hilarious the overreaction because it's the pats. Even Baltimore are trying to get in on the act claiming the kickoff balls were uninflated when the refs control those ones lol

Should be a fine abd a slap on the wrist. Belichick will love it tho, us against the world mentality etc

by GSC Wed Jan 21, 2015 1:30 pm

Regardless of impact, its still cheating. You cant rationalise that away as boys will be boys

by **Good Golly I'm Olly** Wed Jan 21, 2015 1:36 pm

Yeah it is, but the impact is hardly spygate or bountygate so losing draft picks is a little much

Seen some reporters saying belichick should be fired. Get a grip people

by sodhat Wed Jan 21, 2015 1:39 pm

The fine should be Seattle getting to replace Russell Wilson with Eli Manning for the Super Bowl

Tom Brady's 'best of all time' claim would explode with Eli's third ring...

by GSC Wed Jan 21, 2015 1:40 pm

Get ready for pandoras box if you're judging on severity of cheating. To this day there are people who believe Spygate had minimal impact.

They should lose draft picks just for being repeat offenders at the very least

by **Good Golly I'm Olly** Wed Jan 21, 2015 1:43 pm

Well this is if it's all true, espn aren't right all the time, does seem a bit weird they'd do it to 11 out of 12 balls, not all

It's a judgement call either way if true, and yeah you're right about the pandoras box. We need to get better at not being caught

by sodhat Wed Jan 21, 2015 1:44 pm

I'd wager you need to get better at not cheating

by sodhat Wed Jan 21, 2015 1:46 pm

I still want you to beat Seattle though.

by **Good Golly I'm Olly** Wed Jan 21, 2015 1:46 pm

Teams cheat all the time, just gotta not get busted for it

by Lowlandbrit Wed Jan 21, 2015 2:08 pm

Olly right now:
Ongoing NFL Discussion Thread V - Page 9 Tumblr_mmg0ss992s1rlo1q2o1_500

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rnqQhUdXgvI&t=18

by Skyforger Wed Jan 21, 2015 2:36 pm

Before this weekend I would have said a Colts Packers game would have been my preferred option, but I'm not disappointed we've gotten there.

I just don't understand this deflate-gate though. Why choose a game this important to pull a stunt that is so easily detected? I'm not saying we need to get better at cheating because I don't think we need to in order to win. I'll be interested to see how it was picked up and how many other balls were tested across the NFL throughout the season.

by **Good Golly I'm Olly** Wed Jan 21, 2015 3:28 pm

"@ProFootballTalk: Brad Johnson admits he paid a bribe to get someone to tamper with footballs before the Super Bowl http://t.co/pnoIv1ryCh"

Hey look everyone cheats!

by sodhat Wed Jan 21, 2015 3:36 pm

Rich Gannon was definitely not cheating in that game

by GSC Wed Jan 21, 2015 3:38 pm

Someone else cheated so its alright

Not sure you could have a worse defense

by **Good Golly I'm Olly** Wed Jan 21, 2015 4:00 pm

Just pointing it out, we've just gotta be better at not being caught

by sodhat Wed Jan 21, 2015 4:09 pm

GSC wrote:Someone else cheated so its alright

Not sure you could have a worse defense

My dog ate it?

by Dorothy_Mantooth Wed Jan 21, 2015 4:29 pm

Take a 3rd Round draft pick off them. Maybe they will think twice about cheating again, especially cheating when its claimed it makes no difference.

by Dorothy_Mantooth Wed Jan 21, 2015 4:42 pm

Olly wrote:Well this is if it's all true, espn aren't right all the time, does seem a bit weird they'd do it to 11 out of 12 balls, not all

I am guessing that the one properly inflated ball was for the Kicker to use as the lesser the pressure the harder to kick longer distances would become.

by BamBam Wed Jan 21, 2015 4:58 pm

The balls for special teams are separate

by **Good Golly I'm Olly** Wed Jan 21, 2015 6:12 pm

Dorothy_Mantooth wrote:Take a 3rd Round draft pick off them. Maybe they will think twice about cheating again, especially cheating when its claimed it makes no difference.

Draft pick is probably the likely punishment - Rutgers defensive backs are currently crying

by Skyforger Wed Jan 21, 2015 11:43 pm

I'm confused. Well, more than usual. Reading an article on the BBC and they were saying that each team had their own balls for when they were attacking. I had assumed from what I'd read that the home team provided the balls and everyone used the same balls.

Which is the case?

by mikeygnfl Thu Jan 22, 2015 1:47 pm

I don't really see the problem. If the players, officials felt the balls where deflated/ not up to standard wouldn't they just get another ball or asked for them to be inflated?

by **Good Golly I'm Olly** Thu Jan 22, 2015 3:51 pm

According to people at the senior bowl most of the teams are peed at Indy for bringing it up as it'll mean their QB won't be able to use whatever they want now

Indy do this everytime they lose a big game, they basically changed the rules after they complained in 03

by Skyforger Thu Jan 22, 2015 4:53 pm

Looks like Bill is throwing Brady under the bus for it...

by GSC Thu Jan 22, 2015 8:55 pm

Olly wrote:According to people at the senior bowl most of the teams are peed at Indy for bringing it up as it'll mean their QB won't be able to use whatever they want now

Indy do this everytime they lose a big game, they basically changed the rules after they complained in 03

The damage control

by GSC Thu Jan 22, 2015 8:58 pm

Skyforger wrote:I'm confused. Well, more than usual. Reading an article on the BBC and they were saying that each team had their own balls for when they were attacking. I had assumed from what I'd read that the home team provided the balls and everyone used the same balls.

Which is the case?

Each team provides their own

by Skyforger Thu Jan 22, 2015 10:48 pm

Learn something new every day...

Belichick was convincing. Don't think Brady is coming across very well though....

by Skyforger Fri Jan 23, 2015 12:03 pm

This is becoming farcical. If the Coach, QB or organisation can be found guilty of ball tampering they should be punished. But the NFL is handling this all wrong.

The deflated balls did not affect the outcome of the game. After half time Brady went 9/9 and the Pats won the second half 28-0. The Colts admit the balls did not affect the outcome of the game.

The Colts DE who intercepted Brady and apparently turned a suspect ball over to the officials is now saying he didn't. He kept the ball because it was his first interception. As far as he knew he still had the ball, and only found out on the coach home that the officials had taken it.

The Ravens are now saying they tipped the Colts off to deflated balls. So why didn't the Colts tell the officials? Apparently the officials were always going to check the balls at half time. Why not just before kick-off? And now the Colts are saying they had concerns after the first meeting between the two earlier in the season. Again, why wasn't it investigated at the time, when it probably would have been a minor story, and is left until just before the SB?

The penalty for ball tampering is $25,000. Even if they got charged that for each ball it would have been better for the Pats to just pay up and do away with the media frenzy. To carry on denying means they're either stupid or innocent. Or colossally arrogant. I think its safe to say its one of the latter two.

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