Ongoing NFL Discussion Thread V

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Manziel is learning school yard football doesn't cut it in the NFL.

Until he learns the basics this will continue

[Thomond]

Steelers worry me least of all the teams, Brady shreds that defence every time he plays them (and this is before you consider they're playing OAPs in the secondary now).

Still Denver the biggest threat, well actually biggest threat is injuries

The Steelers defence isn't great but their biggest weakness is defending deep passes. The Patriots can't throw deep. Their offense is also incredible. Don't know if they would win necessarily but if I was to back a team to upset the apple cart it could we'll be the Steelers. Possibly the Chargers if Allen gets healthy and their offensive line repairs itself. The Chargers are Jekyll and Hyde on defence though.


Patrick Peterson made the Pro Bowl. I get that players don't have time to watch games what with preparing for opponents but he isn't even the best corner on his team.

[Good Golly I'm Olly]

I like how we match up with the Steelers offence, Revis can negate Brown, Browner on Bryant is good too, Collins can run with Bell, and their offensive lime isn't particularly good either so think Wilfork can stuff the run enough.

We can't go deep, yet last season when we were even worse we managed to go deep against them. Aaron Dobson scored a 80 yard TD ffs that's how bad they are

[NYJ]

It's easy listing off players and who is going to over them, but is Collins really going to stop Bell? Is Old Man Wilfork really going to do the same? No, they're not.

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Thought the same. Sorry but that's largely delusion

[Good Golly I'm Olly]

If you can point out the bits that are deluded then please do, but or defence has been brilliant this season against the best the NFL has...

[mikeygnfl]

Connor Shaw is going to start at QB for the Browns this weekend against the Ravens and Alex Smith is out of the Chiefs vs Chargers game. That should make the Chargers pretty good favourites for the playoffs.

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Chase Daniel should've beaten the Chargers with a backup Chiefs team last season

[Lowlandbrit]

Chiefs have 18 TD passes so far this season. None of them were caught by a WR.

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Rex Ryan and Marc Trestman are likely to be gone on Monday.

Doug Marrone is my dark horse to be fired.

Tony Sparano might be a slow burner, might keep it if Harbaugh heads to Michigan.

49ers probably take their time with Harbaugh and see if they can get compensation for him, before promoting Tomsula.

Joe Philbin is this years Rex Ryan, as in bad HC that really should be fired.

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Also Mike Smiths job is probably reliant on winning a playoff game

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Browns have suspended Josh Gordon for the last game.

And he's done in Cleveland

[Good Golly I'm Olly]

Think Marrone gets another year personally, but like Philbin isn't really a HC. 

Whisenhunt is my dark horse. Saw a tweet saying something like he's only won 3 of his last 27 games as a HC.

Really gotta think its last chance saloon for Gordon. Someone will pick him up (he is the sort of guy Belichick will pick up and try fix), but he's beyond repair really

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How is he.

He's not 35 and considered over the hill

[Lowlandbrit]

49ers probably take their time with Harbaugh and see if they can get compensation for him, before promoting Tomsula.

Slight issue with the trade ideas is that the Rooney rule would make it a bit tricky for any team that hasn't already fired their coach/interviewed a candidate (in the short term at least).

Tony Sparano might be a slow burner, might keep it if Harbaugh heads to Michigan.

Fun little fact about the Harbaugh to Michigan thing; the Dolphins owner is a major Michigan donor.

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The Rooney rule is a joke, just find a minority and give them a courtesy interview

[mikeygnfl]

I have a theory that Stephen Ross will take Jim Harbaugh to Michigan for a year so the Dolphins don't have to pay compensation. Joe Philbin stays in 2015 and then Jim Harbaugh moves to Miami for the 2016.

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Id be wondering how high he was when he came up with that plan

[mikeygnfl]

The Rooney rule is a joke, just find a minority and give them a courtesy interview

I agree with that. I don't really see the point in interviewing other candidates if you know who your man is. The sentiment is good but I always feel if you want to deal with a problem you deal with it from the bottom up. Ie make better minority coaches.

[Lowlandbrit]

I don't really see the point in interviewing other candidates if you know who your man is. The sentiment is good but I always feel if you want to deal with a problem you deal with it from the bottom up. Ie make better minority coaches.

Except then everyone makes up their mind straight away, and if you're not one of the people they immediately think of to begin with, you're unlikely to ever be. Hard to prove you're a better coach if you never get the chance to show it.

[Good Golly I'm Olly]

How is he.

He's not 35 and considered over the hill

You know what I mean, picks up dudes like (this season) Blount, Ayers, Branch, guys like Tommy Kelly in previous years and turns them into solid contributes. Obviously Gordon is wayyy more talented and more a nutter than them tho

Harbaugh to Michigan all but confirmed it seems. 6 years 48 million.

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Low risk low reward guys.

So the opposite to Gordon basically

[NYJ]

Rex Ryan and Marc Trestman are likely to be gone on Monday.

Doug Marrone is my dark horse to be fired.

Tony Sparano might be a slow burner, might keep it if Harbaugh heads to Michigan.

49ers probably take their time with Harbaugh and see if they can get compensation for him, before promoting Tomsula.

Joe Philbin is this years Rex Ryan, as in bad HC that really should be fired.

I'd love Marc Trestman as the Jets coach next year. Teams tend to go in a completely opposite direction to their previous failures and there isn't 2 more polarising media personalities than Rex and Trestman, therefore it seems viable.

Marrone couldn't do much with the QB situation. The Bills are the cliched "QB away" team but I think that is more true of them than any other team in the league. Top 5 defense and some decent young weapons on offense. I would still fire him for not using CJ Spiller correctly though. :P


I also reject the statement that Joe Philbin is anywhere near as good a HC as Rex Ryan.

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Doug Marrone swung and missed on his QB. The situation is his and the GMs fault.

Trestman just isn't a HC in the NFL. Not nearly enough force of will.

Neither of the two are particular good HCs so who cares

[Good Golly I'm Olly]

Rex isn't anywhere near a good HC. You can't not know anything about one side of the ball and be a good one, let alone choose horrible staff to look after that side.

He would be the best DC in the game if he chooses to become one. And if I was someone like Miami, I'd move hell and earth to get him as my DC.

[NYJ]

Players love to play for Rex. He is going to get hired by a team with an established QB/offense and win the Super Bowl. Atlanta Falcons would be perfect.

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That hasn't necessarily been a good thing in his tenure

[Good Golly I'm Olly]

Not entirely sure why Brady is in the game when we're resting everyone else on offence and protecting him with Josh Kline against the best defensive line in the league

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Mariota to Tampa

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So the jets cost themselves amari Cooper today. Lolz

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Mike Wallace showing off his outstanding character again today

[Number-25]

And the season is over. Thank God!

Now we're just our obligatory bad draft, procession of bad free agents and an irritating media obsession of every move made by Robert Griffin away from the next 16 game Redskins debacle. Bring it on!

[Lowlandbrit]

Chiefs have 18 TD passes so far this season. None of them were caught by a WR.

Fumble recovery by Kelce, Chiefs go whole season without a TD for a WR.

In other news, JJ Watt is the first player to have two 20+ sack seasons.

[mikeygnfl]

So the Panthers have beat the Falcons to win the NFC South on 7-8-1. They have also become the first team to win the NFC South in consecutive years and only the Seahawks will go into the playoffs on a better winning streak. It wouldn't be a surprise if the Panthers beat the Cardinals at home in their wildcard match-up.

[mikeygnfl]

It looks like the Seahawks and Packers will have byes and the 1 and 2 seeds respectively while the Lions will go to the Cowboys and the Panthers will host the Cardinals.

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Seattle has HFA so good luck to the rest of the NFC.

Dallas Detroit looks decent, Ravens Steelers is sometimes watchable, Cincy vs Indy will be a battle of which QB can choke worst and good lord Arizona Carolina.

Quite like Detroit. Have the front to go toe to toe with Dallas and Seattle. Caldwells been here before. Baltimore need another Flacco miracle run because they aren't good. Cant see Dallas' D holding up against a rested Rodgers

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Expecting Rex to end up in Atlanta. I guess he cant mess up Matt Ryan. For similar reasons I wouldn't touch him if I were Oakland.

Another late collapse to 8-8 for Miami, a sign of a bad HC.

We'll see if Davis will ante up. A similar offer to Michigan gets the job done

[Lowlandbrit]

We'll see if Davis will ante up. A similar offer to Michigan gets the job done

Will have to be a bloody quick offer, word is Michigan are all set to introduce him at a basketball game on Tuesday.

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Word was Harbaugh was going to take the Dolphins job too.

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Ultimately Harbaughs like Chip. Neither can really be bothered to do all the recruiting and limits the NCAA places, when they can get paid to just do coaching at the NFL level.

Money talks though

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Surprisingly the rubber band contract Rex got last year turned out to be just that as he and Idzik are fired.

First shots fired on Black Monday

[Lowlandbrit]

First shots fired on Black Monday

Add Mike Smith to the list. Crazy how that team just fell off a cliff. Looked like they'd be a powerhouse for a long time.

Word was Harbaugh was going to take the Dolphins job too.

Miami wasn't asking its marching band to cut short their break to be at a basketball game. Plus I doubt the 49ers would have just released him so quickly if there wasn't a deal in place to keep him away from their competitors.

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Mark Davis planned to meet with him this morning so it wasn't a sure thing.

Seems like it is now though

[Good Golly I'm Olly]

Trestman and Emery gone from Chicago, good luck whoever takes that dumpster fire of a roster

[Good Golly I'm Olly]

Also Kyle Orton retired

Buffalo now has no first round pick and EJ Manuel at starting QB. Lulz

[mikeygnfl]

Word was Harbaugh was going to take the Dolphins job too.

I just wonder if Harbaugh would be more tempted by the Bears?

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There's little upside to the Bears

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Jim Haslett set a record, for most yards given up by a DC over 5 seasons.

He also appears 3 times in the top 10 for the 3 year equivalent.

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Looking at some of the names the 49ers are linked with, I wouldn't be reassured the FO knows what its doing

[Lowlandbrit]

Jim Haslett set a record, for most yards given up by a DC over 5 seasons.

He also appears 3 times in the top 10 for the 3 year equivalent.

Posted this a couple of pages back, worth bringing up again:

They're going to need to find more buses in Washington at the rate people are being thrown under them: http://deadspin.com/london-fletcher-defensive-coordinator-jim-haslett-is-1667950222/all

[NYJ]

So the jets cost themselves amari Cooper today. Lolz

Cooper isn't all that - he's not going to be a top 5 pick. We don't need him either, we need to strengthen at several other positions before WR.

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