Carl Froch vs JC Chavez - Close to being agreed - Vegas

88Chris05 wrote: Nah, I think what you're saying does have some weight to it. As in, the fights he's signed for where the fights that made most sense and the ones that, in theory, anyone in his position should have wanted or gone after.

But as you just said yourself, even when that kind of course seems glaringly obvious to us fans, a lot of fighters still don't follow it, so Froch rightly gets the praise. Also, even allowing for that euphoric view, it's the speed at which Froch went about getting those fights which makes his record all the more impressive. I've argued plenty that Froch's record, if you look at really notable wins, is no better than Calzaghe's - it just has that appearance because his great moments have been crammed in to the space of a dozen fights, whereas Calzaghe's took twice as many contests, give or take.

Yes, he needed to go after Bute after losing the Super Six final to Ward in order to re-establish himself as being amongst the elite at 168, and most others would have planned a similar route back - but Froch did it in his very next fight after that loss to Ward, signing the contract within about six weeks of losing a fight that many thought might demoralize him. Most others, I believe, would have taken a couple of confidence builders beforehand. Similarly, Taylor wasn't all that bothered about enforcing his mandatory status for Froch's WBC belt when he first won it, and instead was making noises about fighting Greene - Froch had to actually goad Taylor in to signing when he could have let him pass up the mandatory position as he was thinking about doing and taken a much easier first defence.

You're right in saying that the Kessler rematch should have been a natural choice for Froch as well and that it's really the Dane who was risking a lot more in that one, but again, Froch wanted it straight after Bute (Mack was only shoe-horned in because they couldn't agree terms) whereas many others, I believe, would have lined up a couple of additional bankers and been swayed by their promoters to let the rematch "grow", like we're seeing in the Quigg-Frampton situation.

But you being the complete Froch hater that you are, you'll probably say that Froch only did that because he was knocking on it years and didn't have the luxury of having time on his side like those guys!

Strongback wrote:GGG has yet to establish himself as a PPV fighter.

If his people put enough money on the table he will get the big fights.

Too much risk for no reward.  It's also why Chavez does not want Froch.  Any guesses as to how many PPV's Carl sells in America?

There's reasons why a fight like Cotto v Canelo makes sense.......$$$$$$$$$$

It's a chicken and egg situation for Golovkin, he needs to become PPV but that won't happen until his team put up the money for big fights.  In my view GGG's management are happy to keep totting along claiming they can't get a fight.

The greatest trick the devil ever pulled was making people believe he didn't exist.

TopHat24/7 wrote:Trying to remember the stats for GGG's last fight - didn't he sell out the arena quicker than any other boxer had? And they had to add more seats, which they hadn't had to do for some crazy big name US boxers who had fought there (think RJJ was even mentioned).

hazharrison wrote:

Strongback wrote:GGG has yet to establish himself as a PPV fighter.

If his people put enough money on the table he will get the big fights.

Too much risk for no reward.  It's also why Chavez does not want Froch.  Any guesses as to how many PPV's Carl sells in America?

There's reasons why a fight like Cotto v Canelo makes sense.......$$$$$$$$$$

It's a chicken and egg situation for Golovkin, he needs to become PPV but that won't happen until his team put up the money for big fights.  In my view GGG's management are happy to keep totting along claiming they can't get a fight.

The greatest trick the devil ever pulled was making people believe he didn't exist.

There isn't any money to put up - unless he fights for free?

Since the first fight of his HBO deal, GGG has butchered 8 straight and steadily grown a burgeoning fan base (no mean feat for an imported Kazakh who speaks little English).

As his profile continues to grow, he'll generate bigger ticket/TV sales that will allow for greater bargaining power.

The theory that a management firm would prefer smaller purses to PPV purses is barking (but par for the course on here).

TopHat24/7 wrote:Trying to remember the stats for GGG's last fight - didn't he sell out the arena quicker than any other boxer had? And they had to add more seats, which they hadn't had to do for some crazy big name US boxers who had fought there (think RJJ was even mentioned).

Coxy001 wrote:The fights largely pick themselves for GGG and Kovalev - but how many have we seen come to fruition? Give Froch a bit of credit, he hasn't exactly taken the easy stay at home route against half blind donkeys.. has he? Froch was what, 4th favourite out of 6 in the Super6.. didn't exactly have to fight in that either when he could've quite easily come out 0-3 or something.

Strongback wrote:

TopHat24/7 wrote:Trying to remember the stats for GGG's last fight - didn't he sell out the arena quicker than any other boxer had? And they had to add more seats, which they hadn't had to do for some crazy big name US boxers who had fought there (think RJJ was even mentioned).

Arena sales and PPV are horses of a different colour.

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Funny this guy..........He's certainly caught the imagination and is making normally rational people lose the plot..

Look on some Boxing sites and plenty of people have him number 1 p4p already ..........

A bit like having the unbeaten Meldrick Taylor number 1 after smashing Buddy Mcgirt, John Meekins and that filipino muppet !!....