Carl Froch vs JC Chavez - Close to being agreed - Vegas

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“We’re nearly there, dare I say it, with the Chavez fight in Vegas which I’ve talked about since knocking out Groves,” Froch told Sky Sports News HQ.

“I’m very optimistic that Eddie Hearn will be making an announcement very soon.

“That’s the fight that takes me to Las Vegas, it’s the fight I’ve been calling out for since November 2013 so it’s dragged on a fair while. Between beating Mikkel Kessler and fighting Chavez I’ve obviously had the two epic fights with Groves.

“Chavez is a great fighter, one loss in 51 fights, and he’s coming up to a weight he’ll be more comfortable at. That carries dangers and question marks – is he good enough at super-middle?

“Have I still got what it takes to go 12 rounds because it looks like Chavez can survive? He can get through 12 rounds with anybody, he’s very tough like his dad was.

“It’s an intriguing fight – it’s a ‘pick ‘em’. It’s not ‘Froch is definitely going to win’ or ‘Chavez is definitely going to win’.”

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Froch should take this, although his punch resistance may not be what it once was going from the fact Groves was able to stun him with the jab.

You didn't find much to do in Vegas Steff? Could you not have bungie jumped off that tower without the cord and done us all a favour??? Lol oj buddddddd ;-)

I guess the fight fell through...

I see Bernard Hopkins has made himself available to fight Froch at Super Middleweight.

If it's not about money anymore for Hopkins, and it's just about the history, how come Bernard doesn't (and seemingly won't ever) call out Andre Ward? Just sayin.


Having said that I really like the idea of Froch Hopkins and it would do a lot more for Carl's legacy than Chavez. It's also a more difficult fight, but maybe very tempting to be able to tell his grandkids he once shared a ring with the great Philadelphian. That Hopkins wants to fight him is also a stamp of approval. Hopkins has always fancied this one so it would be a great win if Froch could pull this one off.

If he didn't win he must know he'd fall even further behind JC though, which must wrankle.

Yeah, can't see Froch fancying the Hopkins gig for largely the same reasons he's never fancied a second go with Ward. Not likely to be a good fight for the paying customer, a distinct possibility of Froch being made to look really scrappy and dull even if he wins etc. What makes it even less attractive than a Ward rematch is the fact that winning it isn't going to yield any massive praise for Froch if he won. B-Hop is fifty and coming in off the back of a shutout loss. I can't see how Froch could fail to beat Hopkins by a comfortable decision, so I don't think it's particularly 'risky' then you compare it to the assignments Froch has taken on in the past against Bute, Groves etc, but I just don't think Hopkins has enough pull or excitement factor for Froch now.

Interesting that Froch has now dropped his 'one more fight' line in the last few weeks. Previously it was one fight, in Vegas, preferably against Chavez and then that's it. Now he's indicating that as long as he feels fit and strong within himself, and as long as he still enjoys training, he'll carry on. Hopefully that'll convince him to knock this Chavez idea on the head (at least for the time being) and take the Degale fight on these shores if he feels he can possibly re-focus this Vegas dream for a later date.

Tom Loeffer says that he's told Eddie Hearn to start making plans for Golovkin to come over to the UK to fight Froch in the next year or two if Froch is still around. Tom, Eddie, Gennady and Carl, I'm sure I speak on behalf of all on v2 when I request that the four of you soon sit down, thrash that one out and make it happen sharpish, providing Carl gets past Degale and Cotto continues to show absolutely no intention of ever fighting Golovkin.

Froch has "injured his elbow", so the fight with Chavez, which was never likely to come off anyway has now been "postponed"

May as well hang 'em up Carl...no-one cares about your "legacy", certainly not me and certainly not Eddie who is looking to milk Joshua for all he's worth. Warren did the same with all his "top men", pushed 'em to one side when someone younger and fresher canme along.

Take your money, enjoy retirement and the occasional self promotional rant on SKY when ask to comment on anyone who isn't you.

Interested to see what the purse split would be in any Froch-Chavez fight in Vegas....

He has two belts, is the more accomplished and yet Chavez sells the fight..

Although Bhop has been drinking at the fountain of eternal youth. If you compare how he looked against pascal... Where you see he would have given froch a very live fight, compared to the granddaddy figure in with kovalev.

I'm not discrediting kovalev but bernard looked his age. I'm sure from Bhops position, a belt at super middle at 50 probably ticks all the legacy boxes, but anyone really want to see it?

Now I'm not his greatest fan, but if the warrior signed up for golovkin, I would give him huge props. And I'm sure my opinion is very important to carl.

milkyboy wrote:Although Bhop has been drinking at the fountain of eternal youth. If you compare how he looked against pascal... Where you see he would have given froch a very live fight, compared to the granddaddy figure in with kovalev.

I'm not discrediting kovalev but bernard looked his age. I'm sure from Bhops position, a belt at super middle at 50 probably ticks all the legacy boxes, but anyone really want to see it?

Now I'm not his greatest fan, but if the warrior signed up for golovkin, I would give him huge props. And I'm sure my opinion is very important to carl.

Shame on Nevada If they grant Hoppo another licence..

Wouldn't be fighting here at 50....

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Interested to see what the purse split would be in any Froch-Chavez fight in Vegas....

He has two belts, is the more accomplished and yet Chavez sells the fight..

One belt worth any salt, and a paper WBA belt which isn't worth anything now that the real WBA(and Linear) champion Ward is back in business.

Given that Froch is still British #1 and in Ward's absence the 168 #1 along with possibly being one of the top five earners in the sport I reckon a few are paying some attention to his legacy

The good news about his injury is that it frees him up for a potential fight with Golovkin. By Summer time Golovkin will be ready to fight again and will be hot property. If Froch wants a real fight then that would be perfect.

Oscar got paid a lot more than Floyd.

Strongback wrote:Oscar got paid a lot more than Floyd.

Really......How interesting.

Eddie'e having a mare in 2015.

First he can't get Khan to fight so goodbye Wembley and now Froch has developed an 'injury'.

Eddie needs to stop stringing DeGale along and get the Froch fight on.

Paul Smith's getting another title shot while DeGale is being kept in storage.

Not sure Frochs injury is real. Sounds like they just couldnt get the Chavez fight done and want to buy some time without the IBF imposing deadlines on them.

Degale is getting the bums rush in this though. Stuck in no mans land. His next fight will probably against a nobody on a "stacked" Kell Brook card.

Sounds like Froch is going to retire, making noises about the thought of the gloves staying hung up a rather nice one. Then mentions trenches and once he gets back in them in the gym he'll be the trench diggin' warrior everyone knows he is and he'll be back.

More contradictory than Truss' posting history.

Strongback wrote:Eddie'e having a mare in 2015.  

Yeah, we are 20 days in as well. What's the matter with the man.

Mind the windows Tino. wrote:

Strongback wrote:Eddie'e having a mare in 2015.  

Yeah, we are 20 days in as well.  What's the matter with the man.

It's quite a feat to implode his planned two biggests fights for 2015 within 20 days.

I have sympathy for Froch...Groves 2 was such a huge spectacle that at his age he either wants a similar event or a prize fight at the Mecca of dreams in Vegas..

Degale offers neither and I can't blame Carl for feeling unmotivated for a Groves victim..

As for James he'll get his chance this year...Will win a belt and then have his own big fight when he beats Groves..

Not sure how I feel about Froch retiring. 

On the one hand, fewer press conferences from the deluded international superstar... So that's good. 

On the other hand, he might pop up on Sky's boxing coverage frequently belittling other fighters achievements and generally being an international superstar. 

Hopefully he'll just stay at home and dig trenches.

GGG v Froch at 168 is my idea of a fight of the year candidate............

That would be a big Vegas fight !!

50/50 for me..

Truss, that is until he boxes GGGs ears off like he did to Abraham and then the bumwits here all go cocking crazy about how GGG was more overrated than Jeff Lacy and Michael Grant combined.

Coxy001 wrote:Truss, that is until he boxes GGGs ears off like he did to Abraham and then the bumwits here all go cocking crazy about how GGG was more overrated than Jeff Lacy and Michael Grant combined.

I picked Froch to outbox Abraham and win a wide points decision, most thought I was crazy, people I know laughed at me for saying froch will keep him at range with his jab...But I think GGG will be too much for froch at this time, GGG is no Abraham or Lacy, He does things them two never could, he has a constant piston jab..amongst other things.

Often guys moving up even half a weight class can seem to lose their pop, though to some degree, it usualky happens later in their careers when they're fighting a better class of fighter.

Now I'm not on a first class ticket on the ggg hype train, but he clearly hits like a mule and is lethal to the body. Not many have targeted froch's body... Or at least done so successfully... But I think he's shown  a bit of vulnerability there on occasion. You write the guy off at your peril, but my money would be on 3G.

It'll never happen though, for all his warrior spiel and reputation and his cv shows a long run of competitive fights, it's not like he's altruistically sought them out for the fans. After the Taylor fight, The super 6 largely shaped his career for him.

milkyboy wrote:Often guys moving up even half a weight class can seem to lose their pop .

So your Mrs tells me..

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:

milkyboy wrote:Often guys moving up even half a weight class can seem to lose their pop .

So your Mrs tells me..

She was trying to let you down gently but might have been better served using your pin

milkyboy wrote:Often guys moving up even half a weight class can seem to lose their pop, though to some degree, it usualky happens later in their careers when they're fighting a better class of fighter.

Now I'm not on a first class ticket on the ggg hype train, but he clearly hits like a mule and is lethal to the body. Not many have targeted froch's body... Or at least done so successfully... But I think he's shown  a bit of vulnerability there on occasion. You write the guy off at your peril, but my money would be on 3G.

It'll never happen though, for all his warrior spiel and reputation and his cv shows a long run of competitive fights, it's not like he's altruistically sought them out for the fans. After the Taylor fight, The super 6 largely shaped his career for him.

Why does it matter if he fought them through the Super 6, the fact remains he still did and is arguably on the hardest run of 12 fights of any active boxer. He could have chosen easier fights since winning his first title but didn't, he's been the underdog countless times which gives an indication about his opposition.

Having fought everyone in the division, I think he's more than deserving of a money spinner, why at the age of 38 would he bother with GGG when he can make far more fighting the less risky Chavez?

I agree..However If Chavez is off then who else sells in Vegas at 168 ?

Hammersmith harrier wrote:

milkyboy wrote:Often guys moving up even half a weight class can seem to lose their pop, though to some degree, it usualky happens later in their careers when they're fighting a better class of fighter.

Now I'm not on a first class ticket on the ggg hype train, but he clearly hits like a mule and is lethal to the body. Not many have targeted froch's body... Or at least done so successfully... But I think he's shown  a bit of vulnerability there on occasion. You write the guy off at your peril, but my money would be on 3G.

It'll never happen though, for all his warrior spiel and reputation and his cv shows a long run of competitive fights, it's not like he's altruistically sought them out for the fans. After the Taylor fight, The super 6 largely shaped his career for him.

Why does it matter if he fought them through the Super 6, the fact remains he still did and is arguably on the hardest run of 12 fights of any active boxer. He could have chosen easier fights since winning his first title but didn't, he's been the underdog countless times which gives an indication about his opposition.

Having fought everyone in the division, I think he's more than deserving of a money spinner, why at the age of 38 would he bother with GGG when he can make far more fighting the less risky Chavez?

It doesn't matter. Just to listen to some of his fans, and froch himself, you'd think he sought out the toughest challenges. Reality is, he fought who he had to in the super 6. Lost his belts. Fought who he had to... On home soil... to win them back. Fought groves as a supposed easy nights work. It wasn't, so fought him again for mega bucks. 

Not knocking his record, but he's had a tough run because it was a decent division, the super 6 made them fight each other and he lost a few... so had to win his belts back. He just did what most others with the same set of results would have done... Chased the belts and the money

Can't agree with that, he entered the Super 6 knowing he would be facing the best the division had to offer and of course it matters.

So few regularly fight the best on a consistent basis I think it's a bit absurd to try and condemn somebody who has. He didn't have to fight Bute straight after Ward but he did, he then didn't have to chase Kessler straight after but he did.

You can believe the Strongy version of events surrounding the Groves fight but I know you're better than that Milky, he was the highest ranked opponent he had yet to face.

Pascal, Taylor, Abraham, Kessler, Johnson, Bute, Ward, Dirrell and Bute is hardly a resume that needs excuses or reasoning behind. He could have done a Bute, stayed at home and defended against second rate opposition for good money but he didn't, he sought out the best.

Hammersmith harrier wrote:Can't agree with that, he entered the Super 6 knowing he would be facing the best the division had to offer and of course it matters.

So few regularly fight the best on a consistent basis I think it's a bit absurd to try and condemn somebody who has. He didn't have to fight Bute straight after Ward but he did, he then didn't have to chase Kessler straight after but he did.

You can believe the Strongy version of events surrounding the Groves fight but I know you're better than that Milky, he was the highest ranked opponent he had yet to face.

Pascal, Taylor, Abraham, Kessler, Johnson, Bute, Ward, Dirrell and Bute is hardly a resume that needs excuses or reasoning behind. He could have done a Bute, stayed at home and defended against second rate opposition for good money but he didn't, he sought out the best.

... damned with faint praise

i'm not knocking his record Hammy, far from it and as you say in an era where its hard to get the best to fight the best it reads very well. My point really is...
there were 6 people who said yes to the super 6 (and others who joined). Could be wrong, but I think only bute, the homey declined of those asked. They were guaranteed decent fights and decent money, he would have been labelled chicken if he'd turned it down. he did no different to the other 5. So up to and including the ward fight, in terms of who he fought, the decisions were taken for him.

In the process of the super 6 he lost his belts. He could have fought some no marks, but if you get an immediate chance for a belt you're going to take it aren't you? He managed to get bute at home, and beat him well. Took a pretty safe defence in Mack, then went after revenge against kessler. Credit to him for that, but it was a unification fight at home for big bucks, against a guy who most believed had lost a step. Given he already had a win over froch, maybe there's more credit to kessler for taking the fight than vice-versa.

He was a big favourite against groves, made repeated comments that the fight was beneath him and many of his fans believed he took him lightly. I don't know that anyone thought he was targeting a tough fight regardless of ranking. The first fight is big in the uk as its an all british clash, the second fight becomes huge because of the nature of the first fight.

In between all this trenches, warrior cack, he's followed the money. Prior to the groves fight he distanced himself from stevenson, who called him out and said he'd come back to super middle. He's now targeting chavez, and only chavez, because he's good money and low risk. Despite my lack of interest in the fight, I don't knock him for it... he's had a tough run, proved himself to be a hard man on many occasions, i genuinely don't begrudge him it. The selling it as a tough option rankles though and I just think this 'fight anyone anywhere' guff that comes from his and his supporters mouths is OTT.

If he really wanted to prove himself and give the fans what they wanted, he'd sign for golovkin... a middleweight who'll move up. I'd be the first on here to give him kudos if he did. I'd pay ppv for it... and i'd even cheer the guy on, which i've found hard to do in the last few years!

As an aside, interesting that eddie has come out and said he'd offered froch, both degale and golovkin. Maybe its mind games to play on that warrior image.

I don't think Bute was invited.

Amazing how many fans give fighters a bye due to "economic" or "business" reasons. Mayweather's influence no doubt.

I'd love to see Froch vs Golovkin in the UK. It would be like watching a monster movie.

As a side note why doesn't GGG come up to SMW and face Degale - the winner gets the right to face Froch? It's a win win situation as gobshite Degale gets his noggin put in to row 10 and we then get the fight we've all been after!

And Milky - his recent record is a who's who of the SMW division. It's just plain scary. Chavez, although not an ideal opponent, is as tough as they come and isn't some hyped up journeyman that it looks like you're claiming he is? Granted he isn't GGG, but I personally forgive the warrior-trench-licking for taking the bigger money for less risk after the amount he's put himself through.

In comparison; fighting Chavez provides a far more stern test than a version of RJJ that Joe fought who couldn't take his special medication as more shot to pieces than a clay pigeon.

Coxy001 wrote:As a side note why doesn't GGG come up to SMW and face Degale - the winner gets the right to face Froch? It's a win win situation as gobshite Degale gets his noggin put in to row 10 and we then get the fight we've all been after!

Is there a chance he wants to continue to hover around 160 in case he can tempt Mayweather up? Or still be at a weight where he can comfortably make 154 if Floyd ever looks to take the fight there?

If FMJ goes up to 160 or even 154 to face GGG I will eat my right hand off. The coroners report would read 'suicide'.

Whilst it is a great run of opposition and is worth all of the praise, particularly in this day and age, I do agree with Milky.

I feel his hand was forced into the Super 6 more than anything. What else was there to do lie in obscurity fighting lower ranked fighters whilst pretty much all the other names (and belts) fought it out?

Why should Degale fight GGG to earn a shot at Froch, he's already mandatory!

DAVE667 wrote:Why should Degale fight GGG to earn a shot at Froch, he's already mandatory!

And Froch could just dump the belt, which he probably will. Ergo one or the other will have to earn the right to share the ring with Sir Trench Warrior Greatness rather than rely on some dodgy ranking system to be placed in the mandatory spot.

Coxy001 wrote:

DAVE667 wrote:Why should Degale fight GGG to earn a shot at Froch, he's already mandatory!

And Froch could just dump the belt, which he probably will. Ergo one or the other will have to earn the right to share the ring with Sir Trench Warrior Greatness rather than rely on some dodgy ranking system to be placed in the mandatory spot.

Err, I'm no fan of his by any means but by fighting and winning, Degale has already EARNED his right at a fight with Froch. Perhaps GGG could EARN a fight with Froch by beating a few ranked SM instead of being handed a fight based on the fact people like him.

Coxy001 wrote:As a side note why doesn't GGG come up to SMW and face Degale - the winner gets the right to face Froch? It's a win win situation as gobshite Degale gets his noggin put in to row 10 and we then get the fight we've all been after!

And Milky - his recent record is a who's who of the SMW division. It's just plain scary. Chavez, although not an ideal opponent, is as tough as they come and isn't some hyped up journeyman that it looks like you're claiming he is? Granted he isn't GGG, but I personally forgive the warrior-trench-licking for taking the bigger money for less risk after the amount he's put himself through.

In comparison; fighting Chavez provides a far more stern test than a version of RJJ that Joe fought who couldn't take his special medication as more shot to pieces than a clay pigeon.

Absolutely. Jones calzaghe was a joke fight. He did go to light heavy to fight bhop first though. Maybe froch could fight kovalev or stevenson? hmmn.

I know what froch's record looks like coxy, i'm merely pointing out that it doesn't necessarily reflect that he sat down and route mapped the toughest career he could.

As for junior. Well he'd have a few more losses on his cv if he didn't have a famous daddy. He's tough, he'll keep coming, so he'll beat you if you're not tough. If you are and can box you'll beat him... but might not get the decision.

DAVE667 wrote:

Coxy001 wrote:

DAVE667 wrote:Why should Degale fight GGG to earn a shot at Froch, he's already mandatory!

And Froch could just dump the belt, which he probably will. Ergo one or the other will have to earn the right to share the ring with Sir Trench Warrior Greatness rather than rely on some dodgy ranking system to be placed in the mandatory spot.

Err, I'm no fan of his by any means but by fighting and winning, Degale has already EARNED his right at a fight with Froch. Perhaps GGG could EARN a fight with Froch by beating a few ranked SM instead of being handed a fight based on the fact people like him.

Well he tried earning a fight at middleweight and that hasn't worked out for him.

DAVE667 wrote:

Coxy001 wrote:

DAVE667 wrote:Why should Degale fight GGG to earn a shot at Froch, he's already mandatory!

And Froch could just dump the belt, which he probably will. Ergo one or the other will have to earn the right to share the ring with Sir Trench Warrior Greatness rather than rely on some dodgy ranking system to be placed in the mandatory spot.

Err, I'm no fan of his by any means but by fighting and winning, Degale has already EARNED his right at a fight with Froch. Perhaps GGG could EARN a fight with Froch by beating a few ranked SM instead of being handed a fight based on the fact people like him.

Spot on, not sure how you can avoid someone fighting in a different division whom has shown no inclination to move up. Saying he wants to clean up at Middleweight is irrelevant as that just isn't going to happen, if he wants Ward or Froch he has to do some chasing rather than hoping to get a fight for no reason.

Degale has already EARNED his right at a fight with Froch

He's hardly beaten much above euro level, has he?! And yes, I'm well aware that Groves was hardly at world level when he fought Froch.

Lets be real, the reason a Froch v Golovkin wont happen is because Froch doesnt want it. Why would Golovkin move up up a division for a fight that isnt on the table and isnt going to be? Froch wants a pay day against Chavez and there is nothing Golovkin can do about that regardless of whatever division he fights in.

Being in the super six didn't make a run of tough fights a certainty. Taylor showed pulling out as an option, and when a fight Dirrel didn't want turned up he decided to get an injury.

Froch's detractors all picked a Kessler KO in the rematch. He'd only lost a step in revision once Froch beat him.

Hammersmith harrier wrote:

DAVE667 wrote:

Coxy001 wrote:

DAVE667 wrote:Why should Degale fight GGG to earn a shot at Froch, he's already mandatory!

And Froch could just dump the belt, which he probably will. Ergo one or the other will have to earn the right to share the ring with Sir Trench Warrior Greatness rather than rely on some dodgy ranking system to be placed in the mandatory spot.

Err, I'm no fan of his by any means but by fighting and winning, Degale has already EARNED his right at a fight with Froch. Perhaps GGG could EARN a fight with Froch by beating a few ranked SM instead of being handed a fight based on the fact people like him.

Spot on, not sure how you can avoid someone fighting in a different division whom has shown no inclination to move up. Saying he wants to clean up at Middleweight is irrelevant as that just isn't going to happen, if he wants Ward or Froch he has to do some chasing rather than hoping to get a fight for no reason.

When Froch has been asked about a Golovkin fight he has publicly said he didn't want it (whether that was tongue in cheek or not is up for debate - I believe he meant it) and has turned down an offer from his promoter to fight him. While that can't be construed as avoiding Golovkin, it's clear that Froch doesn't want to fight him.

Since his first appearance on HBO just over two years ago, Golovkin has steadily earned his number one contender status at middleweight with a string of eight electrifying knockouts over top ten and fringe contenders. He now holds a handful of alphabet belts at 160 that can provide him leverage in his attempts to lure Cotto into the ring.

Why would he give up that position (especially in light of Mayweather's heroic quest to become middleweight champion) to start the entire process again at 168? If Froch won't fight him there, what chance does he have to lure the rest of them into a fight?

Chavez is gone (up to light heavyweight), leaving Cotto, Floyd and Canelo as the only PPV fighters in the vicinity of 160 lbs. Any manager worth their salt would keep Golovkin at middleweight, keep him fighting regularly (and winning by spectacular knockout) to land him one of those fights.

I just want to see him in with a top fighter: Ward, Mayweather, Froch, Canelo, Cotto - any of that lot would do.

Haz wants GG to stay at 160 and fight crud....

Yet moans about the lack of ambition in other fighters!!..