Manny and Floyd agree terms...

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Apparently: http://www1.skysports.com/boxing/news/12040/9644358/manny-pacquiao-paves-way-for-possible-clash-with-floyd-mayweather-in-2015

Still far from a done deal though, obviously. Still, it's edging closer.

TopHat24/7 wrote:

AdamT wrote:

TopHat24/7 wrote:

AdamT wrote:I think Floyd is going to manhandle Manny and knock him out late.

Most of Floyds opponents back off when they get hurt and are happy to go the distance. There is genuine needle between these guys and Pacquiao will come forward and fight hard to the end. Also I think Floyd will try and be more aggressive late in the fight. Manny is much better than Hatton but I see a similar ending. Floyd will quickly adapt after couple rounds then pick Manny off all night with the right hand.

I know the likely pick with most is points for either guy but I'm sticking to this prediction and might put a couple of quid on it.

You think a guy with no power is going to ko a guy with a known good chin?

Based on............? A serious case of fanboyitis, perhaps??!

Floyds power is underrated! Have you ever listened to ex opponents on his power?

I pick Floyd to tko Manny because I believe Manny will try everything and will not back off and be happy to go the distance.  He will keep coming looking for the ko himself. It's just an opinion mate.

F..k all to do with being a fanboy. If he has the power to back up the bigger Mosley or much bigger Alveraz when they are being passive. Then he has enough power to take out an aggressive smaller Manny.

His ex-opponents? Do you mean all the guys he failed to knock-out??

He's ko'd two people above 135lbs - Ricky Hatton and Ortiz, though the latter doesn't really count as it was an undefended sucker punch.

So again, what the heck are you basing your ko prediction on?? His ko record above LW is on par with Paulie Malinaggi FFS and nobody would be backing him to ko a guy known to have a strong chin!!

Didn't see him once back up Canelo, school him, yes, pepper him, yes, back him up? No.  Also don't remember him 'backing up' Sugar, sure you're not thinking of when Pac fought SSM???

Bit off topic but would you have picked Ali to stop Foreman? Or Holyfield to Stop Tyson? Or would you have picked Douglas to Ko Tyson?

Floyd is not a power puncher but he is accurate. He has a chance of a ko, if you do not agree fine. Just wait until the fight is over and then say Adam you are an idiot.

To be fair Brother Naz did threaten to pull Mosley out as he was munching on fists Toppie.

But am in complete agreement, the guy is about as likely to knock someone out @ 147 as pillow swinger Paulie.

You need to watch those fights again Toppy, Mosley was backing up from about the 6th round onwards and Alvarez was from the 8th round.

Floyd never really pushes for the knockout. Did he also not make Cotto buckle in the 12th round? Bit more time or killer instinct he maybe could of finished him.

Hammersmith harrier wrote:You need to watch those fights again Toppy, Mosley was backing up from about the 6th round onwards and Alvarez was from the 8th round.

I was starting to wonder if I was watching the wrong fights because that is what I saw as well

Are either Ali or Holy's ko records comparable to Floyd's above 135??

No. They are not.

Manny was stopped twice as a teen novice, one of those being a bodyshot from memory, but has otherwise only been stopped once - by a stunning JMM punch.

There is zero evidence to support your contentions. May as well say Al Haymon will storm the ring and drop an RKO. Hence why fanboyitis is the only explanation.

AdamT wrote:

Hammersmith harrier wrote:You need to watch those fights again Toppy, Mosley was backing up from about the 6th round onwards and Alvarez was from the 8th round.

I was starting to wonder if I was watching the wrong fights because that is what I saw as well

Definitely remember the Canelo fight differently. But will hold my hands up and say I've neve rewatched the SSM fight and it was years ago so could easily be wrong.

TopHat24/7 wrote:Are either Ali or Holy's ko records comparable to Floyd's above 135??

No. They are not.

Manny was stopped twice as a teen novice, one of those being a bodyshot from memory, but has otherwise only been stopped once - by a stunning JMM punch.

There is zero evidence to support your contentions.  May as well say Al Haymon will storm the ring and drop an RKO. Hence why fanboyitis is the only explanation.

What evidence did Ali have that he could stop Foreman?

May as well say Al Haymon will storm the ring and drop an RKO

What the cockateel is an "RKO"? Have I missed something in the world of boxing? "Real Knockout" / "r*** Knockout" / "Rubbish Knockout"?!?

Coxy001 wrote:To be fair Brother Naz did threaten to pull Mosley out as he was munching on fists Toppie.

Wouldn't be surprised. Floyd is brutally accurate, one of the few that consistently gets 40% on Compubox. But that's very different to suggesting he was ever close to a ko.

Coxy001 wrote:

May as well say Al Haymon will storm the ring and drop an RKO

What the cockateel is an "RKO"? Have I missed something in the world of boxing? "Real Knockout" / "r*** Knockout" / "Rubbish Knockout"?!?

Is a wrestlers finishing move. Had started typing 'chokeslam' but then thought RKO was a better analogy given the similarity.

If Manny gets wreckless and lunges in similar to Hatton he can be stopped. The reason I think that can happen is, Manny is a warrior and he will not be happy to sit back and lose on points. He will push to the last second.

Though Maybe you are right, possibly Manny is too tough for Floyd to stop. Time will tell.

AdamT wrote:

TopHat24/7 wrote:Are either Ali or Holy's ko records comparable to Floyd's above 135??

No. They are not.

Manny was stopped twice as a teen novice, one of those being a bodyshot from memory, but has otherwise only been stopped once - by a stunning JMM punch.

There is zero evidence to support your contentions.  May as well say Al Haymon will storm the ring and drop an RKO. Hence why fanboyitis is the only explanation.

What evidence did Ali have that he could stop Foreman?

Hmmm, I don't know, a bunch of ko victories to his name combined with question marks over Foreman's chin??

Neither of which are remotely similar to the Floyd-Manny fight.

TopHat24/7 wrote:

AdamT wrote:

TopHat24/7 wrote:Are either Ali or Holy's ko records comparable to Floyd's above 135??

No. They are not.

Manny was stopped twice as a teen novice, one of those being a bodyshot from memory, but has otherwise only been stopped once - by a stunning JMM punch.

There is zero evidence to support your contentions.  May as well say Al Haymon will storm the ring and drop an RKO. Hence why fanboyitis is the only explanation.

What evidence did Ali have that he could stop Foreman?

Hmmm, I don't know, a bunch of ko victories to his name combined with question marks over Foreman's chin??

Neither of which are remotely similar to the Floyd-Manny fight.

Fair enough though I doubt many would have picked it.

Not saying it was predictable.

Saying it's a fallacious comparison.

Who would've picked Ishida to ko Kirkland.......?

I know it is a bold prediction from me and my own brother has laughed at me for stating it. Just a gut feeling that Floyd is getting a stoppage of some sort. Time will tell.

I'm guessing the reason Floyd doesn't go gunning for the knockout is because his hands are too weak and they break easier.

He has mentioned this numerous times on 24/7

Partly him trying to justify fighting with pillows round his hands, I suspect.

Definitely Floyd's fought if bout not made this time if it is true Manny has agreed to the terms including PED testing's and lessor purse split.

If Floyd doesn't agree this time it's embarrassing.

Rumours doing the rounds that Mayweather could ditch the Pacquiao fight to fight Cotto again. Canelo is allegedly seeking a new opponent.

Haz if that happens I will not defend him anymore. He needs to fight Pacquaio now.

Could all just be conjecture but it looks like Cotto vs Canelo has had it.

Seriously this is not the fight it was few years ago but it still needs to happen.

The winner can fight Cotto or Khan etc next. I'm a massive fan of Floyds skills but if he doesn't fight Manny next, well to put it mildly, it is inexcusable.

I wouldn't forgive him for fighting the true middleweight champion..

Should be fight Geale, Murray types instead..

Truss Cotto is a great fight but would love him to beat Manny. Just have to wait and see.

Just adding perspective..

If Cotto is meaningless....Then every single fight from now to infinity is meaningless..

I too would prefer Manny.

Are you saying Truss that if Mayweather sidesteps now it's fine or are you in agreement with just about everyone else that it's a duck.

No Cotto imo is a harder fight for Floyd, I think Cotto would lose a close decision.

Though Would be nice for Floyd to get the fellow atg, Manny on his record. I rate Floyd top 10. Manny around 20- 25. It's a super fight.

Mayweather will always fight the lowest risk-highest reward opponent. That's how he's operated for years. If he passes it up this time I think it's a dead issue. Quite why anyone would defend a guy who plainly doesn't give two hoots about his fans is one of the great mysteries of the 21st century.

I think Twitter will explode if Mayweather-Cotto 2 is announced.

Here's a De la Hoya tweet from earlier:

"I get sick to my stomach that top fighters today don’t fight the best," De La Hoya said on Twitter. "Wouldn't be surprised if Mayweather fights Cotto. #Canelo5Mayo."

AdamT wrote:No Cotto imo is a harder fight for Floyd, I think Cotto would lose a close decision.

Though Would be nice for Floyd to get the fellow atg, Manny on his record. I rate Floyd top 10. Manny around 20- 25. It's a super fight.

???????? Thought you said it was a duck????????????

If this fight doesn't get made I have giving up hope with boxing.

Maybe I will watch ufc, I do not like grappling but I enjoy the best guys going head to head.

It is a duck

Cotto 2 is more likely than Pac I think. Cotto will be swayed by the pay day and chance to take the 0 and Floyd has never fancied the Pacquiao fight.

Obviously hope I'm wrong.

Mayweather avoiding taking on Pacquiao - its not like this has happened before. Why does it suddenly become a disgraceful issue now? The fight should have happened years ago.

Its pretty obvious how Mayweather operates. Even now he has cold feet about the fight but the lack of a convenient Texican to flog means he is under huge pressure to deliver the fight now.

Well we've all been egging mayweather to challenge himself by stepping up to middleweight. Now its a possibility, that he takes on the llineal middleweight champion (no doubt at a catch weight below light middle) and some are complaining. He makes an effort like this to secure his legacy and the moaners are out. Just no pleasing some people. 

First he was 'pretty boy', but he was neither pretty nor a boy. Then he was 'money' but he had too much of it. If the cotto fight comes off, now is the time to reinvent himself again... Floyd 'the Michigan mallard' mayweather.

Quack Quack.

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:I wouldn't forgive him for fighting the true middleweight champion..

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Just adding perspective..

If Cotto is meaningless....Then every single fight from now to infinity is meaningless..

You know when Cotto wasn't meaningless?? When he was a major force at 147 and Floyd somehow managed never to fight him......

AdamT wrote:No Cotto imo is a harder fight for Floyd, I think Cotto would lose a close decision.
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Haha seriously??! You are definitely either a WUM, a fanboy, a Truss alias or all three!!

To be fair to Ad Toppy he did admit that this would be a blatant duck by the 'michigan mallard' (Top name their milky)

Manny has conceded every demand Floyd has made, as such one cannot argue he has not done everything within his power to make this fight. Should Floyd not now sign I cannot see how this cannot be interpreted as anything other than he does not fancy facing Manny, irrespective of who he faces as an alternative. Strugle to imagine how even the most myopic could make an alternative argument.

Rowley wrote:Manny has conceded every demand Floyd has made, as such one cannot argue he has not done everything within his power to make this fight. Should Floyd not now sign I cannot see how this cannot be interpreted as anything other than he does not fancy facing Manny, irrespective of who he faces as an alternative. Strugle to imagine how even the most myopic could make an alternative argument.

C'mon Jeff, Mayweather has fought a 150 top 10 P4Ps you know ?

cheers, Rodders

Is Cotto in anyone's Top10 p4p?

Wonder what the odds are of him appearing in the Ring's list sometime soon.......

TopHat24/7 wrote:Is Cotto in anyone's Top10 p4p?

He will be once he signs for Floyd!

TopHat24/7 wrote:Is Cotto in anyone's Top10 p4p?

Wonder what the odds are of him appearing in the Ring's list sometime soon.......

Well Robert Guerrero and Victor Ortiz were apparently so wouldnt be surprised.

Cheers, Rodders

TopHat24/7 wrote:Is Cotto in anyone's Top10 p4p?

Wonder what the odds are of him appearing in the Ring's list sometime soon.......

You need to keep up with the times Toppy, Mayweather has no links to GBP any more so therefore no links to the ring magazine.

Shocking if this fight doesn't come off but part of me feels that the majority don't care and would bitch and moan even if it was signed, not to say I don't think he should.

But wait a minute.....How are the Ring going to somehow shoehorn Cotto in to their top ten pound for pound list so that Floyd can beat his 24th pound for pound guy?

If this one gets made then brace yourselves for the excuses and equivocation, lads. Cotto is actually the bigger, more lucrative fight, you know. And most people want to see it more than the Pacquiao fight, too. And Cotto is a much better figher and more difficult proposition for Floyd. Also, winning the Middleweight title at a catchweight against a guy who isn't really a Middleweight and who is years past his best, and who Mayweather has already beaten before, before he vacates the Middleweight title without ever defending it, would do a lot more for Mayweather's legacy than beating Pacquiao would.

If you deny any of this then you're a flat out hater who has an agenda against Floyd.

Rodney wrote:

TopHat24/7 wrote:Is Cotto in anyone's Top10 p4p?

Wonder what the odds are of him appearing in the Ring's list sometime soon.......

Well Robert Guerrero and Victor Ortiz were apparently so wouldnt be surprised.

Cheers, Rodders

Exactly. So people like Truss can say "20 years at the top" and "beat 30 Top10 p4ps".......

Rowley wrote:Manny has conceded every demand Floyd has made, as such one cannot argue he has not done everything within his power to make this fight. Should Floyd not now sign I cannot see how this cannot be interpreted as anything other than he does not fancy facing Manny, irrespective of who he faces as an alternative. Strugle to imagine how even the most myopic could make an alternative argument.

To be fair it's only Manny's camp that says everything is agreed their side.

Just read an article that Stephen Espinoza from ShowTime has said there's still a long way to go in the talks.

As usual it's just that Tinkywinky Koncz and Arum saying they've signed the contracts/started training/have booked flights & hotels/have printed t-shirts etc etc and it's all down to Floyd.