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Bravest Losing Performances
by AlexHuckerby Fri 16 Jan 2015, 12:33 pm
First topic message reminder :
Taking account for amount of punishment taken, tactics deployed and what was said in the build up.
Always caught my heart Dokes' relationship with his manager and the speech he makes in the build up to the fight, and Dokes trying to turn his life around after drugs.
Quite a few spring to mind from Holyfield in this column.
Holyfield's loss to Bowe
Dokes' loss to Holyfield
Cooper's loss to Holyfield
Groves' loss to Froch - 1
That should get us started for now
Taking account for amount of punishment taken, tactics deployed and what was said in the build up.
Always caught my heart Dokes' relationship with his manager and the speech he makes in the build up to the fight, and Dokes trying to turn his life around after drugs.
Quite a few spring to mind from Holyfield in this column.
Holyfield's loss to Bowe
Dokes' loss to Holyfield
Cooper's loss to Holyfield
Groves' loss to Froch - 1
That should get us started for now
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Re: Bravest Losing Performances
by Coxy001 Fri 16 Jan 2015, 4:09 pm
Strongback wrote:Brave or stupid. Shannon Briggs v Vitali.
Think you had a go at me a week back for not reading previous comments, but I've already mentioned that one.
If it wasn't you moaning at me about said reading comments then, erm, trot on.
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Re: Bravest Losing Performances
by ONETWOFOREVER Fri 16 Jan 2015, 4:09 pm
I think the winner has to be Beau Jack against Ike Williams.
This guy took a serious beating. A bit of a golden oldie so I wont blame you guys for not knowing about this one.
This guy took a serious beating. A bit of a golden oldie so I wont blame you guys for not knowing about this one.
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Re: Bravest Losing Performances
by 88Chris05 Fri 16 Jan 2015, 4:11 pm
That's actually a good shout, OneTwo. Slipped my mind. Presumably the referee felt that Jack needed to have nothing but the whites of his eyes on show before a stoppage was warranted there.
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Re: Bravest Losing Performances
by hazharrison Fri 16 Jan 2015, 4:12 pm
I remember watching Norris vs Brown on ITV. Enjoyed seeing Norris get a spanking (came across as a bully).
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Re: Bravest Losing Performances
by TRUSSMAN66 Fri 16 Jan 2015, 4:14 pm
hazharrison wrote:I remember watching Norris vs Brown on ITV. Enjoyed seeing Norris get a spanking (came across as a bully).
Duran didn't though in the Moore fight !!!
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Re: Bravest Losing Performances
by ONETWOFOREVER Fri 16 Jan 2015, 4:14 pm
88Chris05 wrote:That's actually a good shout, OneTwo. Slipped my mind. Presumably the referee felt that Jack needed to have nothing but the whites of his eyes on show before a stoppage was warranted there.
Yeah it was sickening. What was the ref doing at the time? checking his texts?
The closest thing I have seen to match such a tremendous beating was Lenny Mclean v Roy Shaw
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Re: Bravest Losing Performances
by hazharrison Fri 16 Jan 2015, 4:19 pm
TRUSSMAN66 wrote:hazharrison wrote:I remember watching Norris vs Brown on ITV. Enjoyed seeing Norris get a spanking (came across as a bully).
Duran didn't though in the Moore fight !!!
How can a tiny little lightweight bully a light middle?
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Re: Bravest Losing Performances
by TRUSSMAN66 Fri 16 Jan 2015, 4:19 pm
ONETWOFOREVER wrote:88Chris05 wrote:That's actually a good shout, OneTwo. Slipped my mind. Presumably the referee felt that Jack needed to have nothing but the whites of his eyes on show before a stoppage was warranted there.
Yeah it was sickening. What was the ref doing at the time? checking his texts?
The closest thing I have seen to match such a tremendous beating was Lenny Mclean v Roy Shaw
I don't watch barbaric unlicenced shows............Just like I give these stupid Irish wallies who fight on the street for nothing.. a wide berth...
D**ks................Was in a bar with ny Wife once in Manchester when these wallies trashed the place.....
My Wife didn't make much of a shield ...
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Re: Bravest Losing Performances
by Strongback Fri 16 Jan 2015, 4:52 pm
TRUSSMAN66 wrote:ONETWOFOREVER wrote:88Chris05 wrote:That's actually a good shout, OneTwo. Slipped my mind. Presumably the referee felt that Jack needed to have nothing but the whites of his eyes on show before a stoppage was warranted there.
Yeah it was sickening. What was the ref doing at the time? checking his texts?
The closest thing I have seen to match such a tremendous beating was Lenny Mclean v Roy Shaw
I don't watch barbaric unlicenced shows............Just like I give these stupid Irish wallies who fight on the street for nothing.. a wide berth...
D**ks................Was in a bar with ny Wife once in Manchester when these wallies trashed the place.....
My Wife didn't make much of a shield ...
You talkin about gypsies. They don't do nothin for nothin. You'd have to get out of bed very early to put one over them.
You should try moving down South if you don't like riff raff....London Town.
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Re: Bravest Losing Performances
by Dipper Brown Fri 16 Jan 2015, 5:13 pm
I see what Truss is saying that it takes something to sit on your stool rather than go out on your shield. In a world of machismo and pride, it's tough to get your respect and career back after that so credit to those who do.
Remember the Cotto Margarito 24/7 when Margarito said he was willing to die in the ring. Cotto ridiculed him for that, calling him selfish and said he'd consider his family first.
Cut to round 10 and a half blind Margarito having to be pulled out by the doctor probably to save his sight. Idiot. Nothing is worth your health.
Remember the Cotto Margarito 24/7 when Margarito said he was willing to die in the ring. Cotto ridiculed him for that, calling him selfish and said he'd consider his family first.
Cut to round 10 and a half blind Margarito having to be pulled out by the doctor probably to save his sight. Idiot. Nothing is worth your health.
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Re: Bravest Losing Performances
by Rowley Fri 16 Jan 2015, 5:34 pm
Since I seem forever doomed to fail to convince any of you that Primo Carnera was not as bad as he gets credited I will put forward his title loss to Max Baer as a brave losing performance. Completely outclassed and outgunned, the big guy certainly took his lumps and gave his all.
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Re: Bravest Losing Performances
by Hammersmith harrier Fri 16 Jan 2015, 5:42 pm
What about LaStarza fighting on with a reported broken arm against Marciano, not sure i've ever believed the story but he did say after the fight that his arms hurt more than any other part of his body.
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Re: Bravest Losing Performances
by Gerry SA Fri 16 Jan 2015, 5:44 pm
Shannon Briggs vs Vitali must be up there. Didn't Briggs break most bones in his face yet still went 12 rounds
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Re: Bravest Losing Performances
by milkyboy Fri 16 Jan 2015, 6:04 pm
surprised no-ones mentioned briggs v vitali:whistle:
briggs loved eating klitschko leather so much he's itching for some from little bro too
briggs loved eating klitschko leather so much he's itching for some from little bro too
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Re: Bravest Losing Performances
by Strongback Fri 16 Jan 2015, 6:06 pm
How Jess Willard ever got through that first round against Dempsey I'll never know.
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Re: Bravest Losing Performances
by hazharrison Fri 16 Jan 2015, 6:08 pm
Rowley wrote:Since I seem forever doomed to fail to convince any of you that Primo Carnera was not as bad as he gets credited I will put forward his title loss to Max Baer as a brave losing performance. Completely outclassed and outgunned, the big guy certainly took his lumps and gave his all.
Great shout. They showed copies of the fight in theatres like some violent vaudeville act. Baer was a monster puncher, too. His was giving him back handers and everything.
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Re: Bravest Losing Performances
by Gerry SA Fri 16 Jan 2015, 6:09 pm
Sorry missed SBs earlier postmilkyboy wrote:surprised no-ones mentioned briggs v vitali:whistle:
briggs loved eating klitschko leather so much he's itching for some from little bro too
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Re: Bravest Losing Performances
by KO-KING Fri 16 Jan 2015, 6:38 pm
Group Cpt Lionel Mandrake wrote:Manny vs Cotto
Even Manny was looking at the ref to stop it
Cotto started running after 4 - and no not dancing and boxing, straight out running - thats not brave (not saying he was a coward for running from a prime pac, but wouldn't list it as a brave performance)
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Re: Bravest Losing Performances
by Strongback Fri 16 Jan 2015, 6:41 pm
Oscar took a worse beating off Manny. That was more pathetic than brave all the same.
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Re: Bravest Losing Performances
by KO-KING Fri 16 Jan 2015, 6:42 pm
TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Often wondered If it is sometimes braver to quit than take a career shortening walloping...
You have the crowd baying to see blood...Your cornerman telling you this and that and deep down you know you are being busted up and know he's got your number....But feel compelled to go on..
Rosario was brave against Chavez...By the 8th however he wasn't getting a complete one sided slap.....and he took three painful body battering rounds more !!
Braver perhaps to defy the corner and say I'm 24..............It's not my night....Rosario was a shell after that fight !!
Think some fighters though without doubt too brave for there own good also feel obliged to take more !!!..................Perhaps braver in some cases to say no..
Good post - in my view it should be the corners job to pull a fighter out before it gets to that stage, one in recent memory is alvarado vs Provodkinov, They should have pulled Alvarado out, but didn't he had nothing left, and they let him tell the ref he's had enough - poor poor cornerwork that night - he was finished and they kicked him whilst he was down by letting him say he was done
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Re: Bravest Losing Performances
by hazharrison Fri 16 Jan 2015, 6:50 pm
Ron Lyle vs George Foreman
Demarcus Corley vs Lucas Matthysse
Floyd Patterson vs Ingemar Johansson
Chris Eubank vs Carl Thompson
Demarcus Corley vs Lucas Matthysse
Floyd Patterson vs Ingemar Johansson
Chris Eubank vs Carl Thompson
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Re: Bravest Losing Performances
by John Bloody Wayne Fri 16 Jan 2015, 8:01 pm
Ajose Olusegun showed more guts than was good for him versus Matthysse. Had been winning for a while, finally gets a shot to make a name and it's against Matthysse. If he'd folded earlier he might not have been so blunted afterwards, but refused to buckle under immense pressure for most of the fight from one of the P4P heaviest handed dudes around.
Has anybody mentioned Graham Earl v Katsidis yet?
Has anybody mentioned Graham Earl v Katsidis yet?
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Re: Bravest Losing Performances
by Atila Sat 17 Jan 2015, 5:24 am
Nobody has mentioned Ali's losing effort against Ken Norton in 73. Their first fight in which Ali suffered a broken jaw early in the fight but yet carried on and went the distance.
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Re: Bravest Losing Performances
by hazharrison Sat 17 Jan 2015, 9:58 am
Atila wrote:Nobody has mentioned Ali's losing effort against Ken Norton in 73. Their first fight in which Ali suffered a broken jaw early in the fight but yet carried on and went the distance.
No-one really knows when the jaw was broken - not that boxing even a round wouldn't be heroic.
I was thinking Arthur Abraham against Miranda (where his jaw was hanging down grotesquely) but forgot that he actually won that one!
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by Mr Bounce Sat 17 Jan 2015, 11:21 am
I reckon Gary Mason against Lennox is worth a shout here. After about 5 rounds his eyes were starting to close and he was getting jabbed to bits but he was still giving it his absolute all before being pulled out. He certainly would've been a champ in this era.
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Re: Bravest Losing Performances
by milkyboy Sat 17 Jan 2015, 11:25 am
hazharrison wrote:Atila wrote:Nobody has mentioned Ali's losing effort against Ken Norton in 73. Their first fight in which Ali suffered a broken jaw early in the fight but yet carried on and went the distance.
No-one really knows when the jaw was broken - not that boxing even a round wouldn't be heroic.
I was thinking Arthur Abraham against Miranda (where his jaw was hanging down grotesquely) but forgot that he actually won that one!
From memory, I'm sure he said it was the third round.. And he could move his jaw with his tongue. When he was being praised for his bravery about it he was like 'you kidding? You think I'd fight on if I knew it was broken?'.
He implied he knew something was wrong with it but not that it was broken. What else he thought he was moving around with his tongue is anyone's guess...Heat of the battle and all that.
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Re: Bravest Losing Performances
by TRUSSMAN66 Sat 17 Jan 2015, 12:11 pm
Must be my imagination but has no one mentioned....
ALI v Norton 1.......
ALI v Norton 1.......
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Re: Bravest Losing Performances
by Strongback Sat 17 Jan 2015, 2:13 pm
Povetkin took a lot of punishment from Wlad and didn't give up. Showed he was a tough guy even if a bit limited.
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Re: Bravest Losing Performances
by Atila Sun 18 Jan 2015, 5:08 am
Floyd Patterson vs. Ingemar Johansson, their first fight. Poor Floyd got put down seven times in the third round.
Despite his shellacking by Johansson, Floyd came back and won their next two fights.
Despite his shellacking by Johansson, Floyd came back and won their next two fights.
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Re: Bravest Losing Performances
by bhb001 Sun 18 Jan 2015, 9:35 am
Not seen Dennis Andries loss to Hearns yet (though I may have missed it). Kept getting knocked down, getting up and walking forward again.
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Re: Bravest Losing Performances
by milkyboy Sun 18 Jan 2015, 11:22 am
Good call. Tough man Andries. Went to the kronk and improved greatly afterwards too, which took a different kind of courage.
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by Hammersmith harrier Sun 18 Jan 2015, 12:12 pm
One of the great images is Andries trying to drag himself up using Hearns legs, ridiculous guts and determination.
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Re: Bravest Losing Performances
by Atila Sun 18 Jan 2015, 4:44 pm
Excellent call. Andries took his lumps like a man, I never heard or read of any excuses from him. Then he went to the same people who had embarrassed him, Hearns and the Kronk Gym, and improved his skills and became a champion again...twice.bhb001 wrote:Not seen Dennis Andries loss to Hearns yet (though I may have missed it). Kept getting knocked down, getting up and walking forward again.
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