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Post by Welly Wed 28 Jan 2015, 6:56 pm

him and fellow Toulon team mate Chiocci, have been held in police custody over an alleged assault which happened in December.

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Post by nathan Wed 28 Jan 2015, 9:23 pm

The lad has issues

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Post by LondonTiger Wed 28 Jan 2015, 9:28 pm

nathan wrote:The lad has issues
?? Delon has been in bother, but first time for Steffon surely?


http://www.theguardian.com/sport/2015/jan/28/steffon-armitage-toulon-arrested-alleged-brawl

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Post by Welly Wed 28 Jan 2015, 9:33 pm

Something about Leicester

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Post by nathan Wed 28 Jan 2015, 9:35 pm

Ah right, perhaps I should learn to read

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Post by nathan Wed 28 Jan 2015, 9:36 pm

Perhaps Toulon should crack down on their players a little

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Post by shuren34 Wed 28 Jan 2015, 9:56 pm

Well I don't know if the case would be serious because the players and the "victim" don't remember a fight happened. There are just witnesses who claim it happened.

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Post by nathan Wed 28 Jan 2015, 10:05 pm

shuren34 wrote:Well I don't know if the case would be serious because the players and the "victim" don't remember a fight happened. There are just witnesses who claim it happened.

But do they not remember it because not much happened or because they were hammered.

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Post by shuren34 Wed 28 Jan 2015, 10:15 pm

nathan wrote:
shuren34 wrote:Well I don't know if the case would be serious because the players and the "victim" don't remember a fight happened. There are just witnesses who claim it happened.

But do they not remember it because not much happened or because they were hammered.

Hammered. Whisky RedWine

Apparently the last news here are the victim had multiple injuries and facial fractures. Erm
On the Toulon fans' blog, some people are saying it's not the first time some players drunk too much and are agressive.
And Armitage would be one of the players the most involved in these incidents.

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Post by quinsforever Wed 28 Jan 2015, 10:28 pm

if thats true about the injuries, why did it take the police 7 weeks to investigate?

hope its not true.

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Post by shuren34 Wed 28 Jan 2015, 10:38 pm

quinsforever wrote:if thats true about the injuries, why did it take the police 7 weeks to investigate?

hope its not true.

The guys had surgery, they had to listen the witnesses and the time to file a complaint.
In additional: Christmas and New-Year's day I suppose. Doh

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Post by quinsforever Wed 28 Jan 2015, 11:07 pm

its one thing to get drunk and get involved in a bit of a fight. plenty of players have done this and it has not impacted their club or country career. its another thing entirely to put someone in hospital. if steffon armitage did that then he wont be playing for england ever again. which i hate to say, as i really, really wanted to see him in our RWC squad.

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Post by Ozzy3213 Thu 29 Jan 2015, 7:43 am

Again, I'll reserve judgement until some actual facts appear rather than speculation. I don't doubt something has happened, but the lack of a victim account is going to make investigation by the authorities a tad difficult. Also, whilst Steffon and Chiocci voluntarily attended the police station to give their accounts, I understand from some reports that there were allegedly other Toulon players involved in whatever happened as well, the two names I have seen mention (largely unsurprisingly) being Delon and Matthieu Bastareaud.

As I say, I'll wait and see how things pan out beofre giving an opinion on whether or not player x, y or z should recieve any punishments.
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Post by Ozzy3213 Thu 29 Jan 2015, 7:50 am

quinsforever wrote:its one thing to get drunk and get involved in a bit of a fight. plenty of players have done this and it has not impacted their club or country career. its another thing entirely to put someone in hospital. if steffon armitage did that then he wont be playing for england ever again. which i hate to say, as i really, really wanted to see him in our RWC squad.

Whilst I take your point, you do have the scenario whereby somebody could throw one punch in self defence and completely smash the side of the recipents face in requiring surgery, whilst another person could repeatedly punch and kick someone with no reason to have done so, but only cause bruises and no need for a trip to hospital.  Which is worse?  I don't think you can necessarily judge on the injuries without knowing how they were sustained.
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Post by HammerofThunor Thu 29 Jan 2015, 7:55 am

All true Ozzy (both posts).

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Post by TJ Thu 29 Jan 2015, 8:05 am

quinsforever wrote:if thats true about the injuries, why did it take the police 7 weeks to investigate?

hope its not true.

French justice system is very different to the UK one. This is the equivalent of him being charged not arrested I think - IE he is in for questioning not banged up

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Post by shuren34 Thu 29 Jan 2015, 10:10 am

Ozzy3213 wrote:Again, I'll reserve judgement until some actual facts appear rather than speculation.  I don't doubt something has happened, but the lack of a victim account is going to make investigation by the authorities a tad difficult.  Also, whilst Steffon and Chiocci voluntarily attended the police station to give their accounts, I understand from some reports that there were allegedly other Toulon players involved in whatever happened as well, the two names I have seen mention (largely unsurprisingly) being Delon and Matthieu Bastareaud.

As I say, I'll wait and see how things pan out beofre giving an opinion on whether or not player x, y or z should recieve any punishments.

Shocked  Do you have any links? Because I have seen nothing like that on the French websites.
The last news is Chiocci is cleared, but not yet Armitage who is still questioned.

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Post by quinsforever Thu 29 Jan 2015, 10:36 am

Where was it in France that those players got attacked with machetes?

Seems like rugby players and trouble were made for each other down there

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Post by BamBam Thu 29 Jan 2015, 10:39 am

Its like footballers over here, they just seem to attract the wrong sorts.

Of course footballers probably have bodyguards following them round, whereas the rugby players wouldn't dream of such a thing, perhaps that might begin to change

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Post by jimbopip Thu 29 Jan 2015, 10:43 am

Unless he was dressed up as a superhero and his accomplice was disguised as a six foot radish then there's no real story here. (Now there's a sentence I never dreamed I'd write.)

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Post by shuren34 Thu 29 Jan 2015, 10:51 am

quinsforever wrote:Where was it in France that those players got attacked with machetes?

Seems like rugby players and trouble were made for each other down there

Yes in a usually calm town Rodez. The players defended a woman in a bar. And the guy came back (with friends of course) later and attack two of the players who were alone with machetes, before running for their lives when the rest of players came to help the 2 guys.

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Post by BamBam Thu 29 Jan 2015, 11:01 am

Was the Clermont players wasn't it?

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Post by tigertattie Thu 29 Jan 2015, 11:09 am

Was the red crayon there again?
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Post by shuren34 Thu 29 Jan 2015, 11:34 am

BamBam wrote:Was the Clermont players wasn't it?

Yes and the players attacked were Rougerie, Kayser and Pierre ( I didn't remember him being involved)

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Post by nathan Thu 29 Jan 2015, 3:54 pm

Court date has been set for Feb 10th.

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Post by Welly Fri 30 Jan 2015, 10:34 am

Released on bail (5000 Euros)

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Post by WELL-PAST-IT Fri 30 Jan 2015, 1:03 pm

Learning from big bro?
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Post by nathan Tue 10 Feb 2015, 3:17 pm

Steffon Armitage has given his defence in court during his hearing relating to an assault charge from December last year.

The England international and European Player of the Year appeared before the Criminal Court of Toulon on Tuesday.

A fight broke out between Armitage and a 31-year-old diner at a restaurant in Le Mourillon, resulting in a number of fractures and injuries to the victim that required long periods of treatment.

La Provence have reported that Armitage is contesting the facts put against him, with the back-rower saying the following in court.

"I contest the charges against me. I do not remember anything. I was really drunk and feel that I unintentionally fell on the victim, this injuring him but without doing it intentionally.

"One thing is for certain, I very much regret being drunk; I'm a professional player and as such must set an example."

http://www.planetrugby.com/story/0,25883,3551_30751,00.html

he fell on him? lol

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Post by WELL-PAST-IT Tue 10 Feb 2015, 3:22 pm

With his knees an elbows, bounced back up and fell down again as he was drunk
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Post by HammerofThunor Tue 10 Feb 2015, 4:50 pm

If you're really drunk and can't remember anything...have can you 'feel' what you did? It's basically saying "I can remember but I wouldn't do something like that".

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