Late Kickoff at the Millennium, why ?

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6 minutes late according to the broadcaster. What was all that about ? Was anything achieved ?

Right, just watched it back on iplayer. See link below, from 36mins. There's one big 'boo' from someone close to the mic and a bit of a murmur in the background, but ffs you must be really sensitive if you think that equates to full on booing. Absolute storm in a teacup. I don't like booing either, but that is virtually nothing. Still not great, but not anything to get hot and bothered about. But it is 606 I guess...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b051ws7s/six-nations-rugby-2015-wales-v-england

quinsforever wrote:wayne, the welsh team could use it too. we wouldnt mind. would be nice

It's not yours to use in the first place, you simple man.

quinsforever wrote:wayne, the welsh team could use it too. we wouldnt mind. would be nice

Why?

is the our Queen? yes.

is she your Queen? yes.

given Wales isnt even a country i think its a little rich to starting getting on your high horse about who can feel that their monarch is the Queen.

wayne wrote:

doctor_grey wrote:

TheRugbyMaster wrote:I was disappointed to hear the crowd booing the national anthems and the England lads though. I know people will tell me it happens everywhere, but the answer is it shouldn't happen anywhere, and we have to call it out each and every time.

If crowds can't make their own atmosphere through passion and support for their own team then using pyrotechnics and light shows to whip them into a frenzy is encouraging the wrong crowd to attend.

Real rugby fans wouldn't boo the opposition, or the national anthem of our great United nation.

I agree it is a terrible thing to boo another country or nation's anthem.  Disrespectful and classless.  And this is the anthem of the United Kingdom.
Yes it is a terrible thing to boo another Nations anthem, but as I alluded to earlier it has been debated on here before. It is NOT the English National Anthem, it is as you say the Anthem of the UK, You have NO right whatsoever to portray this as YOURS, when England participate in Commonwealth Games you use LOHAG or Jerusalem.
   

What are you on about, for rugby it IS our national anthem, that's a fact.

quinsforever wrote:is the our Queen? yes.

is she your Queen? yes.

given Wales isnt even a country i think its a little rich to starting getting on your high horse about who can feel that their monarch is the Queen.

GSTQ is the national anthem of the UK not England, numb nuts.

Griff wrote:

quinsforever wrote:is the our Queen? yes.

is she your Queen? yes.

given Wales isnt even a country i think its a little rich to starting getting on your high horse about who can feel that their monarch is the Queen.

GSTQ is the national anthem of the UK not England, numb nuts.

Is England not in the UK?

nathan wrote:

wayne wrote:

doctor_grey wrote:

TheRugbyMaster wrote:I was disappointed to hear the crowd booing the national anthems and the England lads though. I know people will tell me it happens everywhere, but the answer is it shouldn't happen anywhere, and we have to call it out each and every time.

If crowds can't make their own atmosphere through passion and support for their own team then using pyrotechnics and light shows to whip them into a frenzy is encouraging the wrong crowd to attend.

Real rugby fans wouldn't boo the opposition, or the national anthem of our great United nation.

I agree it is a terrible thing to boo another country or nation's anthem.  Disrespectful and classless.  And this is the anthem of the United Kingdom.
Yes it is a terrible thing to boo another Nations anthem, but as I alluded to earlier it has been debated on here before. It is NOT the English National Anthem, it is as you say the Anthem of the UK, You have NO right whatsoever to portray this as YOURS, when England participate in Commonwealth Games you use LOHAG or Jerusalem.
   

What are you on about, for rugby it IS our national anthem, that's a fact.

A National Anthem is NOT for one sport, it is for all facets of the Nation, do Wales, Scotland, Ireland, France, USA or any other country change their National Anthem for any facet of life?
The answer is NO

Griff wrote:

quinsforever wrote:is the our Queen? yes.

is she your Queen? yes.

given Wales isnt even a country i think its a little rich to starting getting on your high horse about who can feel that their monarch is the Queen.

GSTQ is the national anthem of the UK not England, numb nuts.

Wow, you really are on a roll today.

nathan wrote:

Griff wrote:

quinsforever wrote:is the our Queen? yes.

is she your Queen? yes.

given Wales isnt even a country i think its a little rich to starting getting on your high horse about who can feel that their monarch is the Queen.

GSTQ is the national anthem of the UK not England, numb nuts.

Is England not in the UK?

Of course, but you're not competing as the UK in rugby. Leave GSTQ for the Olympics where we can all link arms and show our love for Her Majesty as a union of nations. Sing 'All creatures great and small' or something similar for your rugby ditty.

Gwlad wrote:

Griff wrote:

quinsforever wrote:is the our Queen? yes.

is she your Queen? yes.

given Wales isnt even a country i think its a little rich to starting getting on your high horse about who can feel that their monarch is the Queen.

GSTQ is the national anthem of the UK not England, numb nuts.

Wow, you really are on a roll today.

just calling it the way i see it. am i wrong?

Griff wrote:

quinsforever wrote:is the our Queen? yes.

is she your Queen? yes.

given Wales isnt even a country i think its a little rich to starting getting on your high horse about who can feel that their monarch is the Queen.

GSTQ is the national anthem of the UK not England, numb nuts.

i'll ignore your juvenile attempts to insult me personally.

GSTQ can be sung by anyone, anyone, for whom the Queen is their monarch. That includes plenty of overseas dependencies and territories.

Do welsh athletes competing at the olympics sing it?

See? You can sing it too.

And just because you choose not to at rugby matches, doesnt mean other people have to do likewise.

numb nuts.

wayne wrote:

doctor_grey wrote:

TheRugbyMaster wrote:I was disappointed to hear the crowd booing the national anthems and the England lads though. I know people will tell me it happens everywhere, but the answer is it shouldn't happen anywhere, and we have to call it out each and every time.

If crowds can't make their own atmosphere through passion and support for their own team then using pyrotechnics and light shows to whip them into a frenzy is encouraging the wrong crowd to attend.

Real rugby fans wouldn't boo the opposition, or the national anthem of our great United nation.

I agree it is a terrible thing to boo another country or nation's anthem.  Disrespectful and classless.  And this is the anthem of the United Kingdom.
Yes it is a terrible thing to boo another Nations anthem, but as I alluded to earlier it has been debated on here before. It is NOT the English National Anthem, it is as you say the Anthem of the UK, You have NO right whatsoever to portray this as YOURS, when England participate in Commonwealth Games you use LOHAG or Jerusalem.
   

Woah! Woah! Slow down there quick-draw. Please re read what I said? With all due respect I said the national anthem of our great United union... I was referring to Great Britain there. It's our anthem, as in our British anthem. (And also some of former  colonies, even though they won't admt it).

Apology in a postcard, thanks,

However, it's also true in this case that the Welsh fans were booing it as it was on the day, representing the England team. (I hope that's why they were booing it anyway!)

quinsforever wrote:

Gwlad wrote:

Griff wrote:

quinsforever wrote:is the our Queen? yes.

is she your Queen? yes.

given Wales isnt even a country i think its a little rich to starting getting on your high horse about who can feel that their monarch is the Queen.

GSTQ is the national anthem of the UK not England, numb nuts.

Wow, you really are on a roll today.

just calling it the way i see it. am i wrong?

just a bit of a reality lag quins that's all, Wales used to be a principality but is now a country.

Gwlad wrote:

quinsforever wrote:

Gwlad wrote:

Griff wrote:

quinsforever wrote:is the our Queen? yes.

is she your Queen? yes.

given Wales isnt even a country i think its a little rich to starting getting on your high horse about who can feel that their monarch is the Queen.

GSTQ is the national anthem of the UK not England, numb nuts.

Wow, you really are on a roll today.

just calling it the way i see it. am i wrong?

just a bit of a reality lag quins that's all, Wales used to be a principality but is now a country.

touche

CurlyOsp wrote:

bedfordwelsh wrote:Let me think when was the last time we tried something similar oh yeah we made the All Blacks do the haka in the changing room - that worked out really well to lol

To be fair, that wasn't Wales' fault. We asked to sing the anthem in response to the Haka to mark the anniversary of doing so 100 years previously, which was the first time a national anthem was sung at an international sporting event, but New Zealand threw a bit of a tantrum.

I love the tradition of the Haka, but New Zealand threw their toys out of the pram that day, they are no more important than any other rugby nation.

No...Wales asked that they sang their anthem last to mark the anniversary and the ABs allowed it. Wales thought they'd try it on again the next time they met- ie 101 years later. Get your facts right please...though Wales do seem to be a common theme here...not their fault this time either perhaps?

Taylorman wrote:

CurlyOsp wrote:

bedfordwelsh wrote:Let me think when was the last time we tried something similar oh yeah we made the All Blacks do the haka in the changing room - that worked out really well to lol

To be fair, that wasn't Wales' fault. We asked to sing the anthem in response to the Haka to mark the anniversary of doing so 100 years previously, which was the first time a national anthem was sung at an international sporting event, but New Zealand threw a bit of a tantrum.

I love the tradition of the Haka, but New Zealand threw their toys out of the pram that day, they are no more important than any other rugby nation.

No...Wales asked that they sang their anthem last to mark the anniversary and the ABs allowed it. Wales thought they'd try it on again the next time they met- ie 101 years later. Get your facts right please...though Wales do seem to be a common theme here...not their fault this time either perhaps?

Is this the origins of the haka revealed at last!! ….what was wrongly interpreted as NZ throwing a tantrum was in fact the haka, the greatest sporting theatre since that idiot Harold said 'Watch the bloke with the bow and arrow, he'll have someone's eye out'

The RFU have chosen to have the National anthem sang. WRU & SFU have chosen to have an anthem sang

I didn't enjoy the match on Friday as much as I expected to. Nothing to do with the result. I'm fed up of the pre match hype that seems necessary to "attract" the big brother crowd who apparently need to be entertained or they won't come. I'm fed up of the endless parade of morons who can't sit still for 40 minutes without having to have another drink or a urine. I'm fed up of the idots in front of me who sang non stop throughout the whole game without watching any of it. They were entirely clueless.

offload wrote:I didn't enjoy the match on Friday as much as I expected to. Nothing to do with the result.  I'm fed up of the pre match hype that seems necessary to "attract" the big brother crowd who apparently need to be entertained or they won't come.  I'm fed up of the endless parade of morons who can't sit still for 40 minutes without having to have another drink or a urine.  I'm fed up of the idots in front of me who sang non stop throughout the whole game without watching any of it.  They were entirely clueless.  

Forgot to mention that I also clapped when England ran out, sang both anthems, kept quiet when anyone kicked, when nuts when we scored and gave a muted applause when England scored. I congratulated the Englishman sat next to me at the end.

Unfortunately I think I'm in the minority. Yes, I know I'm an old git and I don't get the yoof of today! Truth is of course that plenty of people of all ages share my values - it's just that very few of them were sitting anywhere near me on Friday. And while I'm 'aving a rant, the WRU would be better advised to drop the silly mind games and spend the fireworks budget on some basic skills training.

offload wrote:Forgot to mention that I also clapped when England ran out, sang both anthems, kept quiet when anyone kicked, when nuts when we scored and gave a muted applause when England scored.  I congratulated the Englishman sat next to me at the end.

Over a large family lunch yesterday my Father pointed out the crowds reactions to England - bemoaning the booing as we emerged etc. He pointed out the (except for the singing - thank god with his voice) he does all you said, as do I and my brother. I did suggest to him that we are in the minority though among our own fans at matches - so no point getting too worked up when the opposition behave liek the majority of our fans.


It reminds me of the fuss made about the Twickenham crowd at the NZ match. Those defending the crowd that day should think twice about casting stones now, while those castigating then should re-consider defending this weekend.

I've no problem with the fireworks etc. Rather enjoyed the spectacle! I don't think the crowd is any worse now than in Martin Johnson's time when the England players ran out with their shirts covered in Welsh spittle and in Bill Beaumont's time I recall the Arms Park as being noisy and I doubt it was enthusiastic approval of the English team I was hearing! The singing was definitely better back then though. Any chance you can get the Assembly to make Chapel compulsory?

The mind games are mostly irritating but can be great theatre. Double edged sword though as with MJ that time with Ireland - or Robshaw this time. Mind games will stop about the same time players stop trying to con the ref.

offload wrote:

offload wrote:I didn't enjoy the match on Friday as much as I expected to. Nothing to do with the result.  I'm fed up of the pre match hype that seems necessary to "attract" the big brother crowd who apparently need to be entertained or they won't come.  I'm fed up of the endless parade of morons who can't sit still for 40 minutes without having to have another drink or a urine.  I'm fed up of the idots in front of me who sang non stop throughout the whole game without watching any of it.  They were entirely clueless.  

Forgot to mention that I also clapped when England ran out, sang both anthems, kept quiet when anyone kicked, when nuts when we scored and gave a muted applause when England scored.  I congratulated the Englishman sat next to me at the end.

Unfortunately I think I'm in the minority.  Yes, I know I'm an old git and I don't get the yoof of today!  Truth is of course that plenty of people of all ages share my values - it's just that very few of them were sitting anywhere near me on Friday.  And while I'm 'aving a rant, the WRU would be better advised to drop the silly mind games and spend the fireworks budget on some basic skills training.

Offload, sounds like you are an old school fan, like me in fact (albeit I'm an Englishman). A few years ago I took my son - adult - to Twickenham and was so fed up for many of the same reasons (bolded above)  and behaved politely as you did (also bolded, only sub Wales for England) I am really turned off Twickenham these days. You almost want to set an entry test to ensure only true rugby fans gain entry and then we would all get on with it just fine.

Taylorman wrote:

CurlyOsp wrote:

bedfordwelsh wrote:Let me think when was the last time we tried something similar oh yeah we made the All Blacks do the haka in the changing room - that worked out really well to lol

To be fair, that wasn't Wales' fault. We asked to sing the anthem in response to the Haka to mark the anniversary of doing so 100 years previously, which was the first time a national anthem was sung at an international sporting event, but New Zealand threw a bit of a tantrum.

I love the tradition of the Haka, but New Zealand threw their toys out of the pram that day, they are no more important than any other rugby nation.

No...Wales asked that they sang their anthem last to mark the anniversary and the ABs allowed it. Wales thought they'd try it on again the next time they met- ie 101 years later. Get your facts right please...though Wales do seem to be a common theme here...not their fault this time either perhaps?

If you'd taken the time to read the thread you'd realise that I've already corrected myself. And please don't get me started on passing the blame, I'm too ill to deal with it. Feels like food poisoning, or perhaps it could be the norovirus..

CurlyOsp wrote:

Taylorman wrote:

CurlyOsp wrote:

bedfordwelsh wrote:Let me think when was the last time we tried something similar oh yeah we made the All Blacks do the haka in the changing room - that worked out really well to lol

To be fair, that wasn't Wales' fault. We asked to sing the anthem in response to the Haka to mark the anniversary of doing so 100 years previously, which was the first time a national anthem was sung at an international sporting event, but New Zealand threw a bit of a tantrum.

I love the tradition of the Haka, but New Zealand threw their toys out of the pram that day, they are no more important than any other rugby nation.

No...Wales asked that they sang their anthem last to mark the anniversary and the ABs allowed it. Wales thought they'd try it on again the next time they met- ie 101 years later. Get your facts right please...though Wales do seem to be a common theme here...not their fault this time either perhaps?

If you'd taken the time to read the thread you'd realise that I've already corrected myself. And please don't get me started on passing the blame, I'm too ill to deal with it. Feels like food poisoning, or perhaps it could be the norovirus..

Happy to go off half-cocked and blame NZ, but when the facts are pointed out that actually it was the WRU that tried to pull a fast one, then let's not talk about it any more?

goneagain wrote:

CurlyOsp wrote:

Taylorman wrote:

CurlyOsp wrote:

bedfordwelsh wrote:Let me think when was the last time we tried something similar oh yeah we made the All Blacks do the haka in the changing room - that worked out really well to lol

To be fair, that wasn't Wales' fault. We asked to sing the anthem in response to the Haka to mark the anniversary of doing so 100 years previously, which was the first time a national anthem was sung at an international sporting event, but New Zealand threw a bit of a tantrum.

I love the tradition of the Haka, but New Zealand threw their toys out of the pram that day, they are no more important than any other rugby nation.

No...Wales asked that they sang their anthem last to mark the anniversary and the ABs allowed it. Wales thought they'd try it on again the next time they met- ie 101 years later. Get your facts right please...though Wales do seem to be a common theme here...not their fault this time either perhaps?

If you'd taken the time to read the thread you'd realise that I've already corrected myself. And please don't get me started on passing the blame, I'm too ill to deal with it. Feels like food poisoning, or perhaps it could be the norovirus..

Happy to go off half-cocked and blame NZ, but when the facts are pointed out that actually it was  the WRU that tried to pull a fast one, then let's not talk about it any more?

No, just not going to repeat myself. Like I said, I apologised for my mistake earlier in the thread.

Fair enough, should have added a smiley. For what it's worth, I don't think either union came out of that well.

No neither did, but hey ho the past is in the past. These things happen in sport, especially where high emotion is involved right?

Ahem ladies.... OP was about Friday 6th February 2015

gregortree wrote:Ahem ladies.... OP was about Friday 6th February 2015

God, that's a joke. Everyone knows the world ended in 2012. This is all just one big blackhole illusion of warped space and time since.

gregortree wrote:Ahem ladies.... OP was about Friday 6th February 2015

Fair enough again!

Firstly, I really enjoyed the game on friday. Was an impressive second half by England, really shut the Welsh down.
As far as the pre-match antics go. I'm in the 'bah humbug' camp as far as the pyrotechnics/light-show is concerned. But the stand-off in the tunnel was great, reminded me of the time the Welsh didn't budge after the haka was performed a couple of years ago. I think one of the commentators on friday even asked the question 'who blinks first' as Robshaw started down the Wales subs.

It's all just cod-psychology of course, but great theatre. The faux-atmos of the show is pretty limp compared to the actual players doing it.
But as Taylorman hinted, NZ haka fiasco 2006, immobile after the haka 2008, friday night's stand-off. There seems to be a pattern. Not necessarily the Welsh, but probably Gatland himself. I agree with some that he needs to concentrate on playing the game after the first and all the way to the last whistle.

nothing compares to martin johnson in ireland in 2003, with both teams playing for the grand slam

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_BdsTh2oP6o

CurlyOsp wrote:

goneagain wrote:

CurlyOsp wrote:

Taylorman wrote:

CurlyOsp wrote:

bedfordwelsh wrote:Let me think when was the last time we tried something similar oh yeah we made the All Blacks do the haka in the changing room - that worked out really well to lol

To be fair, that wasn't Wales' fault. We asked to sing the anthem in response to the Haka to mark the anniversary of doing so 100 years previously, which was the first time a national anthem was sung at an international sporting event, but New Zealand threw a bit of a tantrum.

I love the tradition of the Haka, but New Zealand threw their toys out of the pram that day, they are no more important than any other rugby nation.

No...Wales asked that they sang their anthem last to mark the anniversary and the ABs allowed it. Wales thought they'd try it on again the next time they met- ie 101 years later. Get your facts right please...though Wales do seem to be a common theme here...not their fault this time either perhaps?

If you'd taken the time to read the thread you'd realise that I've already corrected myself. And please don't get me started on passing the blame, I'm too ill to deal with it. Feels like food poisoning, or perhaps it could be the norovirus..

Happy to go off half-cocked and blame NZ, but when the facts are pointed out that actually it was  the WRU that tried to pull a fast one, then let's not talk about it any more?

No, just not going to repeat myself. Like I said, I apologised for my mistake earlier in the thread.

fair comment, and I removed my rather childish response so all good...hope you get over your norovirus soon Curly... you should have known better than to mix with the English before the match...