Khan Calls out Cotto at 155 for MW Title at 155!!...

I'll love for someone to make a case for Khan

Boy has gone full Ret*rd-

Khan v @RealMiguelCotto I'd take that fight in a heartbeat at catch weight 155lbs for the @WBCBoxing Middleweight title

Stylistically cotto would be a great fight for me. He's a great champion. Just imagine that fight in UK.

Secondly what kind of disgraceful fight would this be if any fight happens for the MW title at 155!!! especially between a WW/small JMW vs a new WW.

Lol, I thought Álvarez was the lineal champion at 155lbs??

Effin catchweights for championships should be outright banned, although it's good to see Khan stop chasing Floyd or Manny.

Khan's been welterweight for five minutes, never jumping up to a made up weight to fight Cotto. Plus he's never getting Cotto to come over here. This one will never get off the ground.

I gave the kid a retweet though. Gotta love a tryer! Little scamp.

Gotta be a joke surely

Welterweight is the deepest division in boxing and he's after an (almost) middleweight

Imagine Khan vs Golovkin, anyone think he'll last longer than a minute?

Khans a joke, a talented joke but a joke all the same

Derbymanc wrote:Effin catchweights for championships should be outright banned, although it's good to see Khan stop chasing Floyd or Manny.

if it was like a pound or 2, and the opponent could make it, i've not really got an issue with it, but surely it can't be closer to another weight class...either way this could be at 160 and cotto would come in at like 155/6 and khan will come in at 150/1

Hard to take the weight classes seriously anymore full stop. I think between Mayweather, Pacquiao, Cotto and Alvarez they have pretty much made a mockery of the system.

Might as well go all in and call out Wlad...

Give Khan credit............He wants a big fight............

Good luck to him.....

His last two fights were against decent opposition............

606 is a strange place...............You're either a ducker or mocked when you want to fight the best !!

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Give Khan credit............He wants a big fight............

Good luck to him.....

His last two fights were against decent opposition............

606 is a strange place...............You're either a ducker or mocked when you want to fight the best !!

Collazo a decent opponent? Apart from Ortiz giving up against him, who's he beaten in recent times?

Plenty of posters on here picked Collazo to win !!.... He didn't have to take that fight ...just like he didn't need to fight Alexander !!

I know you won't give the kid any credit whatever he does......and that's fine !!

It's all about opinions...

He's just tweeted that Cotto, Floyd, JMM, Pac and Bradley are all available to fight in May and he's looking for one of them. Nothing wrong with that really.

Hope Khan gets a big fight this year.

Dipper Brown wrote:He's just tweeted that Cotto, Floyd, JMM, Pac and Bradley are all available to fight in May and he's looking for one of them. Nothing wrong with that really.

Hope Khan gets a big fight this year.

Should man up and fight Maidana at 147

I know people get the arse but MW is anywhere from 155 upto a maximum of 160. 

If the champ is happy to agree to be 155 that's his prerogative.

Stylistically cotto would be a great fight for me

Someone needs to get the boy in for an MRI scan ASAP!!!!!! Bless, you can't blame him for wanting the big marquee names. Here's hoping he gets one and in the aftermath of him getting absolutely spanked I will put on 60 second repeat posts that simply state "I told you so".

Whatever next.. calling out GGG?

Coxy001 wrote:

Stylistically cotto would be a great fight for me

Someone needs to get the boy in for an MRI scan ASAP!!!!!! Bless, you can't blame him for wanting the big marquee names. Here's hoping he gets one and in the aftermath of him getting absolutely spanked I will put on 60 second repeat posts that simply state "I told you so".

Whatever next.. calling out GGG?

La Motta dreamed of fighting Joe Louis.....

Jones Jnr flirted with the idea of fighting Lennox Lewis.......

these fights however spectacular they sounded never happened. And for good flacking reason.

Louis would have put his fist through La Motta's head and Lennox would have ended Jnr's career, legacy and life in 1 night.

Khan just trying his best to stay relevant by associating his name with any well known fighter out there.

Pathetic

Has Truss has already alluded to damned if you do, damned if you don't. Khan signs to fight a Gavin Rees type he gets slaughtered, calls out or chases top tier guys he is pathetic apparently.

Khan signs to fight a Gavin Rees type he gets slaughtered

He may drop a UD Rowls, but don't think he gets slaughtered

Khan does a lot of talking, why does he have Haymon?

Maybe Khan's support will never matches a Mexican fighters so he never gets a big fight.

What like Froch-Groves..

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:What like Froch-Groves..

Froch has done a lot of talking about Chavez. Still no fight.

I'd give him a shot against Cotto - he's no middleweight. I like Khan. British, brave, chinny, fast, mouthy and occasionally reckless. I can see him putting up a masterclass against Manny or Flloyd or getting soundly beaten.

He's just put in two fantastic performances after frankly looking a bit shot after the Diaz fight. This is the 2nd reboot of Khan and I am impressed.

Some people will run him down no matter what he achieves.

ONETWOFOREVER wrote:

Coxy001 wrote:

Stylistically cotto would be a great fight for me

Someone needs to get the boy in for an MRI scan ASAP!!!!!! Bless, you can't blame him for wanting the big marquee names. Here's hoping he gets one and in the aftermath of him getting absolutely spanked I will put on 60 second repeat posts that simply state "I told you so".

Whatever next.. calling out GGG?

La Motta dreamed of fighting Joe Louis.....

Jones Jnr flirted with the idea of fighting Lennox Lewis.......

these fights however spectacular they sounded never happened. And for good flacking reason.

Louis would have put his fist through La Motta's head and Lennox would have ended Jnr's career, legacy and life in 1 night.

Khan just trying his best to stay relevant by associating his name with any well known fighter out there.

Pathetic

Didn't Cotto used to be a light welter too ??

Think Khan holds holds own with pretty much all the big names out there. As many have alluded to, Cotto is no MW in much the same way Mayweather is no LM. Cotto wanted to fight Hatton at LWW many years ago but he was struggling with the weight so he moved up and it never happened.

Cotto's coming to the end but is starting to behave like the Mariah Carey of boxing such is his diva-esque behavior and whilst Khan thinks a fight in the UK would be big there's no way Cotto's leaving the USA

I'd give him a shot against Cotto - he's no middleweight

Diaz was no welter either, the little fat blown up lightweight, and he gave Khan all sorts of fits by coming to fight.

Cotto's a light welter that's matured into a light middle, and khan a lightweight that's matured into a welter... And probably has the frame to carry a little more if he has to... An odh type build. 

It's not a ridiculous leap size wise, but he's struggling to convince people he deserves a shot at a welter title so he's never going to convince anyone that he deserves a shot at middleweight.

It's just the musical chairs game. If floyd fights pac and Alvarez is looking elsewhere, when the music stops its cotto and khan (of the guys in talks over big fights) who are left without an opponent. Of the realistic options available though, it's khan brook that looks the obvious call.

It's not wanting Cotto that bothers me, it's the opportunistic "hey I can be a totally hollow middleweight champion! That will sound great despite being totally superficial!"

One thing I'll say in Khan's defense: he's probably the only guy linked with the WBC title brave/deluded enough to take on GGG

Why wouldn't he be scared.............Look at all the quality GGG has beat..........

Talking through your a**e............

John Bloody Wayne wrote:It's not wanting Cotto that bothers me, it's the opportunistic "hey I can be a totally hollow middleweight champion! That will sound great despite being totally superficial!"

One thing I'll say in Khan's defense: he's probably the only guy linked with the WBC title brave/deluded enough to take on GGG

maybe he just wants to fight the best guys out there to prove he deserves to mentioned in the same breath.

I'm pretty sure Khan would give very little credence to the fight being for the "MW title" as even he's not dumb/arrogant enough to believe he'd be considered a MW in the eyes of boxing fans. I think he just wants a big fight.

Personally I think he should stop sp*nking his cash away on 300k sports cars just in case the big fights DON'T materialize but aside from that I don't think he's out of line throwing his name into the mix. Whether he wins these big fights is a different matter altogether

Haha truss, you're asking me why a former lightweight with known punch resistance issues (decked by some low calibre lightweights) would fear facing a far bigger opponent who scores easy early KOs against championship level middleweights with ease? Have some confidence man, you can figure it out for yourself!

Fair enough Dave, still a further mockery of arguably the most abused weight class in boxing.

John Bloody Wayne wrote:Fair enough Dave, still a further mockery of arguably the most abused weight class in boxing.

Agreed but I don't think that's Khan's over-riding concern when touting the match-up

There are many much more natural match ups at welter though. Maidana/Garcia rematches, Brook, Thurman, Floyd/Manny. He actually has an outside shot of rising to the top of that division, we know he's not gonna fight all the best middleweights.

Sick of this b*8lshit that ordinary fighters like Geale and Macklin fancy giving GGG a go.........and yet all these great fighters are scared of him.........

They want decent money and who can blame them...........

Tubbs, Thomas, Tillis, tucker, Bruno, Spinks, 38 yr old Larry, Douglas, Berbick all took on the frightening animal in Tyson..........He was intimidating !!

Yet everyone is scared of an untested newbie..........

Do me a favor..

catchweight wrote:Hard to take the weight classes seriously anymore full stop. I think between Mayweather, Pacquiao, Cotto and Alvarez they have pretty much made a mockery of the system.

Never a truer word said.

The worst thing about the abandonment of weight classes is that the loser has a built in excuse. Either the big guy felt drained or the little guy must have been on PED.

The best fights take place between two fighters who are well matched physically and ability-wise.

hazharrison wrote:

catchweight wrote:Hard to take the weight classes seriously anymore full stop. I think between Mayweather, Pacquiao, Cotto and Alvarez they have pretty much made a mockery of the system.

Never a truer word said.

The worst thing about the abandonment of weight classes is that the loser has a built in excuse. Either the big guy felt drained or the little guy must have been on PED.

The best fights take place between two fighters who are well matched physically and ability-wise.

I don't think Alvarez had any excuse after being schooled like a little boy..Catchweight or not

But Catchweight does give bitter rose tinters who hate on modern fighters a chance to say these fights are meaningless...

Types that only print one half of a Mayweather article slagging him and forgetfully leave out the other half praising him........You know the types !!!!

Mayweather Top 10 ................Manny 15- 20..

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Sick of this b*8lshit that ordinary fighters like Geale and Macklin fancy giving GGG a go.........and yet all these great fighters are scared of him.........

They want decent money and who can blame them...........

Tubbs, Thomas, Tillis, tucker, Bruno, Spinks, 38 yr old Larry, Douglas, Berbick all took on the frightening animal in Tyson..........He was intimidating !!

Yet everyone is scared of an untested newbie..........

Do me a favor..

Was Tyson any more tested than Golovkin when he fought the likes of Tillis and Berbick? I think Golovkin is on a similar path - clearing out the division's top ten contenders (Macklin, Geale, Murray etc.) one by one in the hope that Cotto will eventually fight him.

Fighters such as Smith went from a $20k purse to £1m to face Tyson. HBO haven't been able to bankroll GGG to that degree yet but the bigger he gets, the more doors will open.

At present, there's little argument he's struggling to land a marquee name. It would be nice to think - should this Floyd-Pac pantomime come off - Cotto would face Golovkin.

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:

hazharrison wrote:

catchweight wrote:Hard to take the weight classes seriously anymore full stop. I think between Mayweather, Pacquiao, Cotto and Alvarez they have pretty much made a mockery of the system.

Never a truer word said.

The worst thing about the abandonment of weight classes is that the loser has a built in excuse. Either the big guy felt drained or the little guy must have been on PED.

The best fights take place between two fighters who are well matched physically and ability-wise.

I don't think Alvarez had any excuse after being schooled like a little boy..Catchweight or not

But Catchweight does give bitter rose tinters who hate on modern fighters a chance to say these fights are meaningless...

Types that only print one half  of a Mayweather article slagging him and forgetfully leave out the other half praising him........You know the types !!!!

Mayweather Top 10 ................Manny  15- 20..

I'm sure Alvarez supporters would suggest he was drained (he can't even make 154).

Catch-weight fights are money spinners rather than evenly matched sporting contests. They match face/names rather than two fighters in the same division who are fighting to settle supremacy. A symptom of the proiferation of titles and the erosion of weight classes with meaningful rankings. It's like a circus.

Jones-Trinidad, Hopkins-Wright, Floyd-Alvarez, Pacquiao-Oscar, Hopkins-Oscar, Khan-Barrera. All garbage fights.

He's said he's open to fighting floyd, manny, marquez, Bradley and cotto. I don't think there is much wrong with him doing that. He wants the big named fighters in and around his size. Id like to see him fight one of those 5 too. 
I don't think manny v floyd has a snowballs chance for may2nd, time has moved too quickly to set up that promotional vechical, so Khan must still be in the mix for all of the above.

hazharrison wrote:

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:

hazharrison wrote:

catchweight wrote:Hard to take the weight classes seriously anymore full stop. I think between Mayweather, Pacquiao, Cotto and Alvarez they have pretty much made a mockery of the system.

Never a truer word said.

The worst thing about the abandonment of weight classes is that the loser has a built in excuse. Either the big guy felt drained or the little guy must have been on PED.

The best fights take place between two fighters who are well matched physically and ability-wise.

I don't think Alvarez had any excuse after being schooled like a little boy..Catchweight or not

But Catchweight does give bitter rose tinters who hate on modern fighters a chance to say these fights are meaningless...

Types that only print one half  of a Mayweather article slagging him and forgetfully leave out the other half praising him........You know the types !!!!

Mayweather Top 10 ................Manny  15- 20..

I'm sure Alvarez supporters would suggest he was drained (he can't even make 154).

Catch-weight fights are money spinners rather than evenly matched sporting contests. They match face/names rather than two fighters in the same division who are fighting to settle supremacy. A symptom of the proiferation of titles and the erosion of weight classes with meaningful rankings. It's like a circus.

Jones-Trinidad, Hopkins-Wright, Floyd-Alvarez, Pacquiao-Oscar, Hopkins-Oscar, Khan-Barrera. All garbage fights.

Much like Chavez Jr, both Alvarez and Julio want to bully smaller fighters. If they fought at the natural weights both would be sparked out.

Day before weigh ins have added to the melee.

I understand people's hatred of catchweights I can see both sides though. If its a way to make a fight where the naturally bigger guy has to cut a bit to even the balance I don't see the problem. It's less clever when it's done for a belt, as it undermines the principle of them... Lalonde Leonard being a shocking example.

If guys get greedy and cut more than they're physically capable of just for the pay check,then it's a shame because it does provide an excuse... But they ought to be able to work out what they can and can't make. Does anybody think that Alvarez took the money and ran against floyd? No, he thought he could make the weight and win. Maybe it affected him, maybe he's just a one dimensional fighter (albeit a good one), who got his a*rse handed to him.

I've  been critical of mayweather for plenty of things, but the Alvarez fight was a challenge on paper and a consummate performance on the night.

If there are good fights out there between guys who can make the same weight easily I'd prefer to see them... If there aren't and some compromises have to be made, I'm ok with it, rather than see a forgone conclusion. I'd like to see ggg collect all the middleweight belts, but if he can't get the fights I'd prefer to see him fight froch/ward/kovalev/stevenson than roll over a bunch of overmatched stiffs. Not suggesting they'd be catch weights , just  a principle of making the best fights.

I'm quite surprised at how often fighters announce they are fighting at a catchweight. They seem rather lax to put it in the contract, and not mention it. For example if, Martínez and Cotto came in at 159 each... would anyone bat an eyelid? Just seems a rather strange pronouncement, especially given the fact that modern fighters blow up like balloons the following a weigh in any case

Boxing has changed..............It's not the same beast it was...........

Like it or not Catchweight fights are here to stay............and thank goodness for that....

Less chance of Hagler types bottling Spinks.........and fighting crud like Obel and Hamsho twice instead...

Then again posters like Haz like Hagler's lack of ambition..............Whereas Manny/May types fighting 24 pounds over where they started is fawned on as cheap because it's catchweight.......

Hypocritical bullcrap from posters who are jealous of the present..

Poor old Alvarez If he was a pound heavier he'd have been as quick as Camacho and would have had the footwork of Ray Robbo !!

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Sick of this b*8lshit that ordinary fighters like Geale and Macklin fancy giving GGG a go.........and yet all these great fighters are scared of him.........

They want decent money and who can blame them...........

Tubbs, Thomas, Tillis, tucker, Bruno, Spinks, 38 yr old Larry, Douglas, Berbick all took on the frightening animal in Tyson..........He was intimidating !!

Yet everyone is scared of an untested newbie..........

Do me a favor..

You're genuinely irate about the idea that GGG would have far too much for Khan?

I never said he wouldn't smash Khan...........Or are you thick ???

No, you're reacting a bizarrely critical manner at the suggestion it would take a lot of bravery/delusion for a former lightweight with poor punch resistance to take on one of the biggest P4P hitters in boxing at 160.

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Boxing has changed..............It's not the same beast it was...........

Like it or not Catchweight fights are here to stay............and thank goodness for that....

Less chance of Hagler types bottling Spinks.........and fighting crud like Obel and Hamsho twice instead...

Then again posters like Haz like Hagler's lack of ambition..............Whereas Manny/May types fighting 24 pounds over where they started is fawned on as cheap because it's catchweight.......

Hypocritical bullcrap from posters who are jealous of the present..

Poor old Alvarez If he was a pound heavier he'd have been as quick as Camacho and would have had the footwork of Ray Robbo !!

Yes, let's criticise Marvin Hagler for producing one of the finest championship reigns in history.

Catchweight fights rarely settle the argument. Ward beat Dawson - who then complained he was dead at the weight. Would Ward have done the same at 175? Who knows? What we end up with is a result that comes with a caveat. Hopkins' win over Oscar meant nothing to both fighters' legacies - despite the fact it made Hopkins a star.

Floyd and Pacquiao ended up at weird weights as they chased Oscar. Everyone from 135 to 160 sought that payday as they knew they could beat a somewhat overrated fighter for more money than they'd ever contemplated previously. They weren't chasing history or legacy. Hagler was.

You continually suggest Floyd got bored and went looking for a challenge - which is pretty rich considering the Pacquiao fiasco. Floyd wanted to be a star, to be rich and to earn more than the multi-millions Arum paid him (that he referred to as slave wages) and he wanted to do it in the safest way possible. Mosley, Trinidad, Floyd and Hopkins all crossed over after beating Oscar - that's why Floyd fought him.

Here's Mayweather on catchweights:

"You have a guy Miguel Cotto. He has two losses, but one of his losses is to a guy at a catch-weight, where he wasn't 100%," Mayweather told boxingscene.com.
"And you have another loss to a guy [Antonio Margarito] who was caught cheating in the sport. I'm [thinking] that I'm facing a guy who's undefeated.
"He faced Antonio Margarito, a guy who everybody said I was scared of, and he got caught cheating. Now you got Manny Pacquiao, a guy who fought Miguel Cotto at a catch-weight.
"So you have one guy who cheating and one guy who fought at a catch-weight. I wanted to fight Miguel Cotto at 154lbs [light-middleweight] because I wanted to fight the best Miguel Cotto".

I understand that hagler dreamed of being champion, felt he was denied his shot, felt robbed against vito when he finally got his first shot and didn't want to give up the title when he won it. All understandable. 

But that refusal to give it up meant that in addition to fighting some great fighters moving up and some decent contenders, he also fought some dross... And hamsho twice. Now all champions have some fillers on their cv, but do you think that adds more to his legacy than a go at spinks, even if it was unsuccessful? Is robinson lambasted for maxim? It didn't settle the argument either but it was more interesting than rolling over another stiff.

Ultimately, these guys are chasing the dollar.  I'm fine with catch weights if they make interesting fights possible. In the good old days champions regularly took none title fights at weights above their championship weight. They fought more frequently obviously, but I think catch weights are fine if they keep the belt out of it... And that's down to the sanctioning bodies to stop it... And to not strip the fighters involved for inactivity if they don't defend the belt. They exist for those fees so neither  of  those things is  going to happen.

milkyboy wrote:I understand that hagler dreamed of being champion, felt he was denied his shot, felt robbed against vito when he finally got his first shot and didn't want to give up the title when he won it. All understandable. 

But that refusal to give it up meant that in addition to fighting some great fighters moving up and some decent contenders, he also fought some dross... And hamsho twice. Now all champions have some fillers on their cv, but do you think that adds more to his legacy than a go at spinks, even if it was unsuccessful? Is robinson lambasted for maxim? It didn't settle the argument either but it was more interesting than rolling over another stiff.

Ultimately, these guys are chasing the dollar.  I'm fine with catch weights if they make interesting fights possible. In the good old days champions regularly took none title fights at weights above their championship weight. They fought more frequently obviously, but I think catch weights are fine if they keep the belt out of it... And that's down to the sanctioning bodies to stop it... And to not strip the fighters involved for inactivity if they don't defend the belt. They exist for those fees so neither  of  those things is  going to happen.

Catch weights rarely make for good fights - it's a marketing strategy to match names (regardless of weight) due to boxing's complete lack of sporting parameters. Golden Boy were notorious for it a few years back.

Butch Lewis floated the idea of a Spinks fight during the aftermath of Hagler-Hearns (Leonard had said this of Hagler's performance: "If I ever needed a reason to stay retired, that was it").

Hearns thought Hagler should go after Spinks. Hagler's response: "So you can move up and have the middleweights?"

Hagler was never going to give up that championship. It defined him.

Hagler-Spinks was never seriously mooted.