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Post by hampo17 Sat Feb 21, 2015 5:10 pm

First topic message reminder :

Two Brits involved in world title fights tonight then;

Martin Murray vs GGG on C5, Hughie Fury on the undercard as well. Paul Smith vs Abraham on Sky with David Price and Josh Warrington on the undercard as well.

Who's everyone watching?

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Post by rob-glos Sat Feb 21, 2015 11:30 pm

Thing with Golovkin is his power looks effortless. 

Never seems to break sweat. 

Watched an interview with Ricky Hatton earlier.
Described Golovkin as an animal and a beast...

"If you came home and found him in bed with your missus you'd tuck him in"


Massive respect to Murray, he's giving it everything

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Post by Happytravelling Sat Feb 21, 2015 11:32 pm

If Murray has a hope, he needs to stand his ground and try push GGG back. Standing there and getting hit won't work.

Either hit and move or try and push him back. Easier said than done.

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Post by hampo17 Sat Feb 21, 2015 11:32 pm

Andre Ward has tweeted that this fight is putting him to sleep, now he knows how fans feel watching him!

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Post by WHU_Champo_League_in_7Yrs Sat Feb 21, 2015 11:32 pm

Murray is doing well to stick around and answer with a couple shots but he's outmatched in this one

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Post by Kareem61 Sat Feb 21, 2015 11:32 pm

Does anyone think that GGG's power will diminish significantly the longer it goes on?

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Post by Hammersmith harrier Sat Feb 21, 2015 11:35 pm

Fernando wrote:I hope so got £5 on the 7th Laugh
Had £5 on the 6th, this ain't no reincarnation of Hagler, Ward would school him.

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Post by Happytravelling Sat Feb 21, 2015 11:35 pm

hampo171 wrote:Andre Ward has tweeted that this fight is putting him to sleep, now he knows how fans feel watching him!

Hahahahaha.... Yes, well with no training to do he's plenty of time on his hands to go for a nap.

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Post by 3fingers Sat Feb 21, 2015 11:36 pm

It'll be interesting to see how GGG performs in the closing rounds (should it go that far).

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Post by WHU_Champo_League_in_7Yrs Sat Feb 21, 2015 11:36 pm

Does look like his punches are losing a bit of steam, surprised GGG hasn't travelled to the body that much

Murray is super fit will be interesting to see if he can capitalise

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Post by Fernando Sat Feb 21, 2015 11:36 pm

Hammersmith harrier wrote:
Fernando wrote:I hope so got £5 on the 7th Laugh
Had £5 on the 6th, this ain't no reincarnation of Hagler, Ward would school him.

We're both out of money now Laugh Sad

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Post by AdamT Sat Feb 21, 2015 11:37 pm

Ward beats GGG with his eyes closed. GGG is a good fighter but I doubt he would be as effective at super middle!

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Post by jimdig Sat Feb 21, 2015 11:38 pm

If murray had any level of power this would be interesting. But with 12kos murray cant bruise ggg. This fight is a study of how much punishment the human body can take. I'm not enjoying watching this fight.

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Post by WHU_Champo_League_in_7Yrs Sat Feb 21, 2015 11:40 pm

Very surprised GGG is head hunting so much given Murray has a high guard that takes a lot of the power

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Post by jimdig Sat Feb 21, 2015 11:40 pm

Hit him ard in the head. Great corner advice. Stop the fight.

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Post by Dipper Brown Sat Feb 21, 2015 11:41 pm

Don't get me wrong. Murray is receiving a beating here but there are clues that GGG is human. Seems to be obsessed with getting a KO here and he's abandoned what he was doing early rounds, looking to land hurtful shots in every single exchange. Murray's still there though and he's catching GGG at times.

GGG Froch would be a helluva fight!!

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Post by AdamT Sat Feb 21, 2015 11:42 pm

GGG is technically decent and power full with a chin, However!

He is not that great. Bhop would of beat this guy easily at middle as would Jones or Toney.

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Post by hampo17 Sat Feb 21, 2015 11:43 pm

Have to question Harrison here, Murray is 8 points down on two cards, and ten points down on the other and stands as much chance of stopping GGG as Truss does of pulling Jessica Alba, surely a retirement needs to be thought about.

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Post by Happytravelling Sat Feb 21, 2015 11:43 pm

GGG is tiring, not surprisingly. But, not enough.

If Murray has anything left. He should try and push.. see if he can break GGG. Again, easier said than done.

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Post by KC Sat Feb 21, 2015 11:45 pm

hampo171 wrote:Andre Ward has tweeted that this fight is putting him to sleep, now he knows how fans feel watching him!


As you say, bit feckin' rich that from Ward!

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Post by Happytravelling Sat Feb 21, 2015 11:47 pm

Murray looks dead on his feet.

Its over now.

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Post by Fernando Sat Feb 21, 2015 11:47 pm

Murray goes down at the end of the round...He's surviving by the skin of his teeth here Laugh Probably go KO him with a random punch now Laugh

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Post by Kareem61 Sat Feb 21, 2015 11:49 pm

Lot of credit must go to Murray. Balls of steel:

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Post by Steffan Sat Feb 21, 2015 11:49 pm

It's over

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Post by Fernando Sat Feb 21, 2015 11:49 pm

Ref stops in the 11th - Seemed fair enough really wasn't going to win so got him out early.

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Post by 3fingers Sat Feb 21, 2015 11:49 pm

Murray is nails.

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Post by Kareem61 Sat Feb 21, 2015 11:50 pm

Fair stoppage

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Post by KC Sat Feb 21, 2015 11:50 pm

Dipper Brown wrote:Don't get me wrong. Murray is receiving a beating here but there are clues that GGG is human. Seems to be obsessed with getting a KO here and he's abandoned what he was doing early rounds, looking to land hurtful shots in every single exchange. Murray's still there though and he's catching GGG at times.

GGG Froch would be a helluva fight!!

Would love to see that fight, could be Froch's Vegas fight, far better than JCC Jnr!

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Post by jimdig Sat Feb 21, 2015 11:50 pm

hampo171 wrote:Have to question Harrison here, Murray is 8 points down on two cards, and ten points down on the other and stands as much chance of stopping GGG as Truss does of pulling Jessica Alba, surely a retirement needs to be thought about.
Agreed hampo, Harrison is a trainer I respected. But he should have protected his man before the ref. That was a beatdown in the end.

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Post by WHU_Champo_League_in_7Yrs Sat Feb 21, 2015 11:51 pm

Brave performance from murray but totally outgunned, showed some chinks in the GGG armour

Still doubt anyone at 160 can even come close to beating him, few fighters can take the punishment murray did, but deffo a couple of the fighters at 168 would worry him and maybe a couple beat him

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Post by hampo17 Sat Feb 21, 2015 11:51 pm

Good stoppage, Pabon has done him a favor as Harrison didn't have the balls to pull him out.

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Post by Steffan Sat Feb 21, 2015 11:51 pm

I speak a bit of Kazakh and I could hear GGG say to his corner..."I defeat man from St. Helens...soon I defeat real champion from Nottingham"

Look out Froch

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Post by Hammersmith harrier Sat Feb 21, 2015 11:52 pm

KC wrote:
hampo171 wrote:Andre Ward has tweeted that this fight is putting him to sleep, now he knows how fans feel watching him!


As you say, bit feckin' rich that from Ward!

When GGG beats the standard of opponent Ward has then have a go at him.

A good win for GGG over in my opinion the de facto middleweight champion (forget Cotto) but it's time for him to move up, nothing left at 160lbs for him but in all honesty cannot see him beating Ward or Froch, far too easy to hit.

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Post by Dipper Brown Sat Feb 21, 2015 11:54 pm

Yeah ref got that right. No need for Murray to take any more of that and he wouldn't pull himself out.

Interesting show from GGG. Got hit a fair bit and seemed to be looking for the KO from early on. Almost Naz like at times in the reliance on power punches. Who's next for him then?

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Post by Steffan Sun Feb 22, 2015 12:00 am

This guy beats Froch on workrate UD or late TKO

Think Ward beats him on points though

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Post by KC Sun Feb 22, 2015 12:03 am

I was amazed that Murray's ko % was so low, anyone that beats Golovkin is going to need to hit him hard enough to gain his respect and push him back, or have the footwork of Fred Astaire to avoid the punches.
As far as people saying BHop, Jones, Toney etc beats him easy - I don't think anyone beats GGG easy, they may beat him, but it wouldn't be easy. BHop hates anyone that makes him work, Jones doesn't have that great a chin and his speed masked his defensive frailties, and depends how many cheeseburgers Toney ate prior to the fight.
He's won 345 amateur fights with only 5 losses, 31-0 with 90% ko record & never been knocked down, so to say that anyone beats him easily is (I think) rather foolish!

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Post by Kareem61 Sun Feb 22, 2015 12:04 am

No way he beats froch. The cobra would be able to push him back and discourage him way more than Murray.

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Post by jimdig Sun Feb 22, 2015 12:05 am

I'm not a full on froch fan. Completely recognise his limitations, but I think froch beats him.

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Post by Hammersmith harrier Sun Feb 22, 2015 12:06 am

Jones' chin issues were up at 175lbs as a fairly old man, he embarrasses GGG like he does 99% of middleweights, far too fast and punches too hard. As for Hopkins, he wouldn't be made to work that hard when he's countering his man all night.

Bute had a similar record and amateur pedigree is somewhat misleading.

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Post by KC Sun Feb 22, 2015 12:06 am

Hammersmith harrier wrote:
KC wrote:
hampo171 wrote:Andre Ward has tweeted that this fight is putting him to sleep, now he knows how fans feel watching him!


As you say, bit feckin' rich that from Ward!

When GGG beats the standard of opponent Ward has then have a go at him.

A good win for GGG over in my opinion the de facto middleweight champion (forget Cotto) but it's time for him to move up, nothing left at 160lbs for him but in all honesty cannot see him beating Ward or Froch, far too easy to hit.

Actually, I wasn't having a go (bit presumptious of you!), as I like watching Ward fight from a technical point of view but his fights aren't exactly exciting are they?!
Would love to see GGG fight Ward.

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Post by Steffan Sun Feb 22, 2015 12:10 am

GGG should take Froch on as a warm up for a superfight with Ward in the States

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Post by Hammersmith harrier Sun Feb 22, 2015 12:12 am

Steffan, he couldn't crack Murray after 10 rounds and was blowing fairly hard, he's not getting through Froch easily if at all, personally think he gets outworked by an opponent not concerned by his power.

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Post by Steffan Sun Feb 22, 2015 12:14 am

I agree that he would need to up his game if he fought the Slimster. Froch has looked tired as well in fights before though when a lot of punches have come his way. The size would be a factor but I think GGGs power would carry at SMW

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Post by Happytravelling Sun Feb 22, 2015 12:19 am

Murray had some success when he held the centre of the ring. I was a little surprised he didn't simply us his greater size to keep it. I assume GGG's punches just got to him.

As with so many pressure fighters, the key seems to be to push them back.

The bigger boys will find this a lot easier than Murray.

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Post by Happytravelling Sun Feb 22, 2015 12:22 am

Steffan, on tonight's performance, I'd recon Froch's chances.

If Murray actually had a dig, those forays in the middle of the ring would have had him going backwards.

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Post by Steffan Sun Feb 22, 2015 12:25 am

Well lets get them in the ring and see shall we

TEAM GGG

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Post by catchweight Sun Feb 22, 2015 12:30 am

Golovkins a victim of his own success. If he doesnt knock a guy out in three rounds its viewed as a dodgy performance. The fight I watched I saw him totally dominate and break down a big strong middleweight almost from start to finish. Froch isnt beating Golovkin on points and doesnt fancy taking him on. Ward is probably the only guy across three divisions that has enough about him to beat Golovkin as it is now.

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Post by ONETWOFOREVER Sun Feb 22, 2015 12:30 am

Steffan wrote:I speak a bit of Kazakh and I could hear GGG say to his corner..."I defeat man from St. Helens...soon I defeat real champion from Nottingham"

Look out Froch

He's not Kazakh he is Chinese.

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Post by KC Sun Feb 22, 2015 12:31 am

Were those weights they announced before the fight "on the night" weights? I'm assuming so?!
if that's the case Murray was only 1/2kg heavier than GGG which seems contradictory considering Murray is seen as big at the weight & GGG isn't.

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Post by Happytravelling Sun Feb 22, 2015 12:31 am

Sadly, is not looking to gamble in Vegas. He wants a sure bet in Chavez.

But I didn't see anything that would scare froch tonight.

But Joe calzaghe would be pooping his shorts though! :-p

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Post by bellchees Sun Feb 22, 2015 12:36 am

Hammersmith harrier wrote:Steffan, he couldn't crack Murray after 10 rounds and was blowing fairly hard, he's not getting through Froch easily if at all, personally think he gets outworked by an opponent not concerned by his power.

An opponent not concerned by his power is a seriously stupid individual.

Personally I don't think Golovkin has the style that lends itself to moving through the weights and I think he knows it too, which is a shame really as no one else at Middleweight will trouble him and I can't see him rushing up to Super Middleweight to fight Ward or Froch.

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