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Season 7 Homepage VII
First topic message reminder :
2013/2014 – London Wasps
2012/2013 – Leicester Tigers
2011/2012 – Newcastle Falcons
2010/2011 - Newcastle Falcons
2009/2010 – Saracens
2008/2009 - London Irish
Welcome to Season 7 of the Aviva Premiership fantasy rugby game. Below are the rules of the game which must be adhered to. If there are any situations that arise in the course of the game which are not covered by the rules, a final decision will be made by the RFU (SJE) as to how the situation will be resolved.
2013/2014 – London Wasps
2012/2013 – Leicester Tigers
2011/2012 – Newcastle Falcons
2010/2011 - Newcastle Falcons
2009/2010 – Saracens
2008/2009 - London Irish
POS | Aviva Premiership | PLAYED | WON | DREW | LOST | P F | P A | P D | T F | T A | TBP | LBP | POINTS | |
1 | Sale Sharks * | 18 | 14 | 0 | 4 | 501 | 445 | 56 | 56 | 40 | 6 | 4 | 65 | |
2 | London Wasps * | 18 | 14 | 1 | 3 | 512 | 461 | 51 | 55 | 42 | 6 | 2 | 65 | |
3 | Northampton Saints | 18 | 13 | 0 | 5 | 495 | 451 | 44 | 51 | 42 | 7 | 5 | 64 | |
4 | Harlequins * | 18 | 10 | 2 | 6 | 499 | 454 | 45 | 50 | 42 | 3 | 6 | 52 | |
5 | Leicester Tigers | 18 | 9 | 1 | 8 | 444 | 442 | 2 | 37 | 39 | 0 | 8 | 46 | |
6 | Exeter Chiefs * | 18 | 7 | 4 | 7 | 435 | 454 | -19 | 36 | 40 | 0 | 7 | 42 | |
7 | Bath Rugby * | 18 | 8 | 1 | 9 | 459 | 468 | -9 | 44 | 44 | 1 | 9 | 39 | |
8 | Gloucester * | 18 | 7 | 1 | 10 | 468 | 466 | 2 | 44 | 42 | 1 | 10 | 39 | |
9 | Newcastle Falcons * | 18 | 7 | 1 | 10 | 449 | 472 | -23 | 41 | 42 | 2 | 8 | 39 | |
10 | Saracens | 18 | 7 | 1 | 10 | 443 | 476 | -33 | 38 | 45 | 0 | 9 | 38 | |
11 | London Welsh | 18 | 4 | 0 | 14 | 418 | 481 | -63 | 34 | 49 | 0 | 9 | 25 | |
12 | London Irish | 18 | 2 | 2 | 14 | 431 | 488 | -57 | 36 | 52 | 1 | 12 | 23 |
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Fixture List
Released/Championship/National League/Academy Bidding
Foreign Transfers
Budgets
European Homepage
Anglo Welsh Homepage
Welcome to Season 7 of the Aviva Premiership fantasy rugby game. Below are the rules of the game which must be adhered to. If there are any situations that arise in the course of the game which are not covered by the rules, a final decision will be made by the RFU (SJE) as to how the situation will be resolved.
Senior Squads wrote:
The maximum squad size is 40 senior players. If a team has more than 40 players in their squad then they will be fined £1 million per player over the permitted amounts per day for the first seven days. If after 7 consecutive days a team still has more than the permitted number of players then the team will be fined £2 million per player per day, and fined 1 league point per player per day for the next seven days. If after this time a team still has more than the permitted number of players in their squad, the RFU (SJE) will remove players at its discretion to bring them back under the permitted numbers. There will be no right of appeal to players being removed.
Be aware that all tier one international matches which are played during the season will count in the game, and players selected in the match day 23's for those matches will not be eligible to play for their clubs on that weekend, therefore you must give due consideration to the make-up of your squad.
Academy Rules wrote:
Each team will be allowed to have an academy squad of 20 players. Players who are in the academy must be born on or after 1st September 1992.
Any player, who is at any Premiership club in real life, either in their senior, academy or AASE squads, can be bid for on the domestic bidding page. Players who are at your own club in real life and are coming through the academy system must be bid for if you want them in your own academy.
Transfers wrote:
- Domestic (other AP Teams)
Each team has a budget to use in the purchase of players. Domestic transfers between AP clubs, regardless of nationality of player, should be negotiated between the respective managers, and then confirmed on the Domestic Transfer Confirmation Page.- Domestic (Championship and below)
Each team may during the season purchase no more than 5 players from the Championship or the National Leagues. These players must be bid for on the National League Bidding page, and each bid will be considered by me on its own merits before being accepted or rejected. No bid will be accepted until a minimum of 24 hours has elapsed from the time the bid was made, in order to afford other managers the opportunity to make a counter bid.- Foreign
To make a foreign transfer (i.e. from any club outside of the AP, regardless of whether the player is English) a bid should be made on the Foreign Transfers Page, which will be considered by me against the posted guidelines for purchase prices before being accepted or rejected. No bid will be accepted until a minimum of 24 hours has elapsed from the time the bid was made, in order to afford other managers the opportunity to make a counter bid.
There will be a summer foreign transfer window, which will run as follows.
Open Window
Open transfer window, teams have unlimited bids provided they have the financial resources to cover them. Teams may only bid for one player at a time.
The window will open from the 9th of June but only to those sides that finish 8th and below at first. They will have a week to make one signing each before the window is open to all.
Player Releases wrote:
Managers may choose to release players from their clubs, for which they will be offered compensation
Compensation will be paid as follows
£2 million – current international (must have played international rugby in the previous 12 months)
£1.5 million – former international
£1m – top flight experience
£0.5m – other
All released players will be deemed to have joined a Championship side and can be bid for on the National League Bidding page.
Retirements wrote:
There will be no compensation for retiring players. Should a player who retires decide to come out of retirement and play again, then he will automatically go back to the club who he was playing for in the game when he retired.
Fixtures wrote:
There will be 22 Aviva Premiership games per season, plus the play offs. There will also be European Rugby Champions Cup, European Rugby Challenge Cup and Anglo Welsh Cup matches. These games will take place once a week. A match thread will be put up every Monday. Home teams must be named by midnight on Tuesday. Away teams must be named by midnight on Wednesday. Failure to meet these deadlines is punishable by the addition of three match points to the oppositions final score, unless both sides fail to do so. Both teams must provide tactics by midnight on Thursday. Predictions will be open from 00:01 hours on Friday and remain open until 15:00 hours on Sunday. Managers will post the scores that they think will happen from these games (apart from games in which they are involved). An average of all predictions will be taken, and then 0.5 points added to each teams score for each prediction that had them as the winner, and that will then be the final score.
Managers are asked to provide detail as to why they have predicted a result. To be considered a descriptive prediction this must be a full 3 lines long when entered into the text box.
Teams wrote:
When naming your team, not only should you put the starting XV and replacements, but also tactics that your team will employ. Results will be affected by the tactics described.
In addition, each team must have the following:-
For domestic competition at least 8 England qualified players in your match day 23, and at least 4 of those must be in your starting XV.
For European competition at least 8 England qualified players in your match day 23, and at least 6 of those must be in your starting XV.
At least 2 props and 1 hooker on the bench.
All players must be eligible (not injured or banned).
Failure to comply with these rules will result in a 1 league point deduction.
If you fail to submit a team for a match, then the other team will be automatically awarded a 30-0 bonus point win. If both teams fail to submit a team, then it will be scored as a 0-0 draw.
Injuries and Suspensions wrote:
Injuries in this game do NOT reflect real life, they will be generated by me.
Players banned in real life will be ineligible for selection in this game for the duration of the ban.
Inclusion of injured/banned players will result in them being replaced by players on the bench, and the bench not having eight players, which may result in punishment if it concerns the front-row.
Punishment for fielding an ineligible player will be loss of one match point.
Financial Rewards wrote:
There will be no rewards for the result of an individual match, instead the managers will receive cash for predicting.
£2m for descriptive predictions
£0.25m for scores on the doors predictions
If you fail to predict without first advising me that you are unable to do so that week, you will be fined £1m for a first offence, £2m for a second offence, £3m for a third offence etc upto a maximum of £5m per fine.
AP finishing positions.
Champions: 8m
Runners Up: 6m
Playoff Semi Finalist Losers: 5m
5th: 4m
6th: 3.5m
7th: 3m
8th: 2.5m
9th: 2m
10th: 1.5m
11th: 1m
12th: 0.5m
Heineken Cup
Losing Quarter Finalists - £2 million each
Losing Semi Finalists - £3 million each
Runners Up - £4 million
Champions - £5 million
Amlin Challenge Cup
Losing Quarter Finalists - £1 million each
Losing Semi Finalists - £2 million each
Runners Up - £3 million
Champions - £4 million
Anglo-Welsh Cup
Losing Semi Finalist - £1 million each
Runners Up - £2 million
Champions - £3 million
If your budgets falls below minus £10 million for any reason, the administrators (SJE) will step in and players from within your squad will be released for the relevant financial compensation (foreign transfer value) in order to bring your budget back above minus £10 million.
Last edited by SirJohnnyEnglish on Mon 30 Mar 2015, 10:00 am; edited 5 times in total
SirJohnnyEnglish- Posts : 8536
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Ford and Nowell have been superb so far.
Sgt_Pooly- Posts : 36294
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Nowell's played well in breaks but his final choice and execution has been quite poor.
Though can say that for our whole team - Lawes has been good and Ford's controlled the game but we've been poor. Number of chances we've messed up.
Though can say that for our whole team - Lawes has been good and Ford's controlled the game but we've been poor. Number of chances we've messed up.
dammit_chris- Posts : 8685
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Lost count the number of knock ons in their 22, the offload is not working today.
Sgt_Pooly- Posts : 36294
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Decent win in the end but so frustrating, we should have been out of site.
Nowell, Ford, Lawes and Youngs were really good. Youngs was fizzing passes out and kept their defence guessing all game.
Final phase kind of summed things up with us messing it up again. We should have put 40+ points on them and gave us a great chance of winning the 6N on score difference. It's going to be tough to outscore Ireland unless France fall to bits (which is possible).
Nowell, Ford, Lawes and Youngs were really good. Youngs was fizzing passes out and kept their defence guessing all game.
Final phase kind of summed things up with us messing it up again. We should have put 40+ points on them and gave us a great chance of winning the 6N on score difference. It's going to be tough to outscore Ireland unless France fall to bits (which is possible).
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I thought ford and lawes were good. Youngs was very good but his option taking is slow.
No well made lots of yards but that's the first time
We have made concerted front foot ball. He took terrible options. He is not
A winger but is a really good player.
We were dross. Lancaster should go and we will never win a wc with this shower. Ford looks real deal. both hookers were poor. Both by vunipolas have put
On weight and our centres are awful. Jj needs space. No idea where we go from here
No well made lots of yards but that's the first time
We have made concerted front foot ball. He took terrible options. He is not
A winger but is a really good player.
We were dross. Lancaster should go and we will never win a wc with this shower. Ford looks real deal. both hookers were poor. Both by vunipolas have put
On weight and our centres are awful. Jj needs space. No idea where we go from here
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No I think jj is great I think as a pairing they are awful. We rely on individual moments
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Burrell has not been overly impressive. It's his choice of offloads that are really hurting him, he doesn't seem to look.
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Accurate ratings http://www.theguardian.com/sport/2015/mar/14/england-scotland-six-nations-players-twickenham-rated
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Watched game back nowell butchered a few and defence for their try was awful. Watson anonomous also. Worst conversion of chances ratio ever.
Nowell had good game but showed why we need a different wing. Need pace and finisher
Ford and lawes were quality.
Nowell had so much front foot ball and made some good breaks but not a wing in anyway.
Rather may, yarde and at a push Ashton although it's hard to hide his defence.
We should have blooded slade at 12 today. Wc should be the aim result in 6 n should not matter. We missed a big chance by not playing slade. Lancaster bench usage is woeful
Nowell had good game but showed why we need a different wing. Need pace and finisher
Ford and lawes were quality.
Nowell had so much front foot ball and made some good breaks but not a wing in anyway.
Rather may, yarde and at a push Ashton although it's hard to hide his defence.
We should have blooded slade at 12 today. Wc should be the aim result in 6 n should not matter. We missed a big chance by not playing slade. Lancaster bench usage is woeful
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Nowell was excellent today. As was Lawes and Youngs. A top aide would have done Scotland by 40 points. Not being clinical and lack of precision in attack would have cost us against a good side and a big concern.
LukeLovesLuka- Posts : 5865
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Robshaw looking pretty good today...
Gods, we need to take and finish the chances we create though, no way we should have let that be that close with that many opportunities for a try
Gods, we need to take and finish the chances we create though, no way we should have let that be that close with that many opportunities for a try
ChequeredJersey- Posts : 18707
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LukeLovesLuka wrote:Nowell was excellent today. As was Lawes and Youngs. A top aide would have done Scotland by 40 points. Not being clinical and lack of precision in attack would have cost us against a good side and a big concern.
No well was excellent yet butchered a lot of chances. Agree our ability to take chances is a killer. First game we have had loads of front foot ball and we looked clueless.
Pooly the strip by fekitoa on Folau was great. Fekitoa on fire.
Folau counter for hollies try was decent. Waratahs got murdered in scrum.
Folau has played quite a bit of 13 this year and they let him play a free role.
Think 13 could work for him in a fluid team where he goes 15 on defence and 13 on attack. They are trying to get ball in his hands. Aussies have loads of backs that can play anywhere which helps them counter attack.
Need a pack though
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ChequeredJersey wrote:Robshaw looking pretty good today...
Gods, we need to take and finish the chances we create though, no way we should have let that be that close with that many opportunities for a try
I know he is your fave but Robshaw outplayed by Cowan in a pack that was on top. Cowan had a good game off scraps.
We left 40
Points out there
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Jack Nowell was having a much better game under the high balls, of which there were plenty, and he sliced through the Scottish defence at will. But his composure in the wide-open spaces let him down, a microcosm of England’s problems generally.
That sums up england. Awful decision making
That sums up england. Awful decision making
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Won turnovers and protected Ford in attack and defence. Usual work around the park, plus an assist, though poor defence for once for the Scotland try. Youngs very good, Nowell good except the finishing. Final passes or choices not to pass were dire, saw them from almost every back except JJ
ChequeredJersey- Posts : 18707
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Cowan is used to playing off scraps week in week out. He's top drawer.
England's lack of composure will cost us against the top sides. Burrell set the tone for shocking decision making in the first few minutes. I like him as a player but his game awareness is not international standard. Not sure what the answer is though, as much as I rate Slade highly he has played 10 or 13 this season, so throwing him into the national team at 12 has to be considered a risk.
England's lack of composure will cost us against the top sides. Burrell set the tone for shocking decision making in the first few minutes. I like him as a player but his game awareness is not international standard. Not sure what the answer is though, as much as I rate Slade highly he has played 10 or 13 this season, so throwing him into the national team at 12 has to be considered a risk.
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Just seen that charteris made 37 tackles yesterday!
prop_lyd- Posts : 10387
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Prop, Wales were absolutely fantastic yesterday, they got their tactics spot on and the whole team were immense. When Williams got the try I had to force myself not to cheer for them! Was a tough 80 minutes to get through. Was a cracking performance - you have the Italians in the final game don't you? So still in with a chance as well.
dammit_chris- Posts : 8685
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With England we seem stuck between playing a conservative forward based game and one at a higher tempo. Shouldn't still be working out a style with 6 months to go until the WC.
Burrell and Haskell look as though they might have played themselves out of the game next week - not sure there is anyone to replace Burrell with though now Barritt is injured.
We also need to find a way to bring Watson and JJ into the game more, as new caps they haven't got the experience to really assert themselves in games just yet but every time they are given the ball in space they look a threat.
Don't think Wade would have let all of those chances go missing either yesterday. Not sure why he doesn't even get called up to train with England.
Burrell and Haskell look as though they might have played themselves out of the game next week - not sure there is anyone to replace Burrell with though now Barritt is injured.
We also need to find a way to bring Watson and JJ into the game more, as new caps they haven't got the experience to really assert themselves in games just yet but every time they are given the ball in space they look a threat.
Don't think Wade would have let all of those chances go missing either yesterday. Not sure why he doesn't even get called up to train with England.
dammit_chris- Posts : 8685
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I see Cowen is also the most penalised player in the 6N so far Pete, he certainly plays on the edge.
Sgt_Pooly- Posts : 36294
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Anybody up for a few deals? LV weekends are too quiet.
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Saw that stat about Cowen as well Pooly, he's been v impressive for Scotland - thought he was an average AP flanker before this 6Nations.
dammit_chris- Posts : 8685
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Yea he's decent, his best game by far yesterday.
Sgt_Pooly- Posts : 36294
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May or wade would have had a field day yesterday. We need to
Have some pace and people who can score. Yesyerdsf was first time we have had any space and we were clueless as to what to do with it.
Have some pace and people who can score. Yesyerdsf was first time we have had any space and we were clueless as to what to do with it.
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Sadly, I can see us not getting out of the pool at the world cup.
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Ozzy3213 wrote:Sadly, I can see us not getting out of the pool at the world cup.
I am genuinely worried about the amount I have spent on tickets. I could be paying a vastly inflated premium to watch Wales
And Australia progress through the knock out stages !
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I know that May has picked up quite a bit of criticism from the Italy game, but we are really missing his kick chase game. Compared to any other team in the 6Nations we are very poor at this - Ford's kicking gets a lot of hang time, yet we never put a catcher under pressure.
Still need to sort out our bench, I really rate Wigglesworth but he's not right for the bench and to keep Twelvetrees there as well is mad. Didn't get why we took off Youngs, or why we only gave Cips 3 minutes at the end.
Still need to sort out our bench, I really rate Wigglesworth but he's not right for the bench and to keep Twelvetrees there as well is mad. Didn't get why we took off Youngs, or why we only gave Cips 3 minutes at the end.
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I'd look at Simpson, as he's got 2nd best kicking games of the no9s in the AP and adds his running game in final 15mins. Look at Slade who has all the attributes to cover 10,12 and 13 and a kicking game to support Ford. May or Wade back on one of the wings. Get Tuilagi back as soon as possible.
Other form back in the AP is Daly, so you have to find him some room in the squad - JJ's got that cracking try against Toulouse to get him in the England selection, last 4 games Daly has played in he's scored similar quality tries.
All players who have that bit of a x factor.
Other form back in the AP is Daly, so you have to find him some room in the squad - JJ's got that cracking try against Toulouse to get him in the England selection, last 4 games Daly has played in he's scored similar quality tries.
All players who have that bit of a x factor.
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Not worried about Australia - their pack won't have improved enough to beat ours.
Wales on the other hand...
Wales on the other hand...
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The stats from
The Wales game are mental. Warburton made 30 tackles. Rob Evans who had a cracking debut and made 14 tackles In the half.
I was super impressed by Baldwin at hooker for Wales. Hibbard is probably better as an impact sub
The Wales game are mental. Warburton made 30 tackles. Rob Evans who had a cracking debut and made 14 tackles In the half.
I was super impressed by Baldwin at hooker for Wales. Hibbard is probably better as an impact sub
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Australia regularly win without a pack against NH teams. Cheika will have them firing, I have no doubt.
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Luckily we're at home, I have faith.
Bugger off with Simpson lol, he's nowhere near good enough.
Bugger off with Simpson lol, he's nowhere near good enough.
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In recent seasons we've seemed to have the upper hand on the Aussies - we'll be ok if we get Launchbury and Tuilagi back, but haven't seen a return date for either yet? Launch was meant to be playing again for us in April but haven't seen any mention of that.
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That contract extension for Lancaster is really biting the rfu now. I say sack him now and give someone else 6 months until rwc. A good coach could get us firing
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Keep the faith, we'll be ok. It's not like we have numerous world class players at our disposal, SL is not a magician.
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Pooly, just want to see England pick players who can make a difference - Youngs is our best no9 but there is no real difference in quality around the other no9s, all have strengths and all have weaknesses. Lot of the papers have been calling for Simpson to get in the squad.
Don't get me wrong, not saying Simpson is the second best no9 we have as his game management isn't there but for impact you couldn't beat him. Just wish Care would get to the level he is capable of, not sure what has happened to him recently.
All our no9's just seem to lack consistency, Youngs has a great game one week and then seems to throw in an average game. For me Simpson been the form no9 this year - if Care was in good form then there wouldn't be a need to mention him at all, but personally don't think either Wigglesworth or Dickson offer as much from the bench, if either started with Youngs on the bench, again wouldn't need to mention Simpson.
Just feel Lancaster messes up with the bench and we lose impact when Youngs goes off for Wiggles.
Don't get me wrong, not saying Simpson is the second best no9 we have as his game management isn't there but for impact you couldn't beat him. Just wish Care would get to the level he is capable of, not sure what has happened to him recently.
All our no9's just seem to lack consistency, Youngs has a great game one week and then seems to throw in an average game. For me Simpson been the form no9 this year - if Care was in good form then there wouldn't be a need to mention him at all, but personally don't think either Wigglesworth or Dickson offer as much from the bench, if either started with Youngs on the bench, again wouldn't need to mention Simpson.
Just feel Lancaster messes up with the bench and we lose impact when Youngs goes off for Wiggles.
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The only difference Simpson would make is Ford would get crappy service. I don't know why you keep bigging him up, there's 5/6 better scrum halfs available.
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Should probably add its just the style of rugby I like to see, players who have that something extra that can turn a game in final 20 minutes. Don't agree with the style where we try and narrowly beat opponents, as never beat NZ, Ireland or SA with that approach.
Would we have been worse yesterday say if we'd have had Simpson and Slade on the bench for example?
Would we have been worse yesterday say if we'd have had Simpson and Slade on the bench for example?
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We'd have been screwed if Simpson was on. His service is sub standard, every week we have this debate. If he was good enough he'd be involved....he's not.
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Simpson's service actually good. If you watch the Wasps games you'd see that the reason we don't get our backline moving as fluidly and generate quick ball is because of Goode at no10, slows it down and doesn't always get in position for Simpson. Basically we aren't a counterattacking team with Goode controlling us.
Different when Lowzowski or Jackson have played for us as they both want to run, was similar to when he played for the Saxons - do agree he's not got perfect service, but again looking at Youngs and Care they aren't that far ahead of him. Again though I wouldn't say its a problem with his passing, more about game management. If he had that he'd be a top no9.
Different when Lowzowski or Jackson have played for us as they both want to run, was similar to when he played for the Saxons - do agree he's not got perfect service, but again looking at Youngs and Care they aren't that far ahead of him. Again though I wouldn't say its a problem with his passing, more about game management. If he had that he'd be a top no9.
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[quote="Sgt_Pooly"]Keep the faith, we'll be ok. It's not like we have numerous world class players at our disposal, SL is not a magician.[/quote
No he is not a magician but he has no guts as a coach and is too conventional.We will not win the WC with twelvetrees or baritt so he should have been trying options like slade.
If we get out the group we will go out at QF stage.
I have never wanted Lancaster and unfortunately all my predictions on him are coming true. His record is poor and no different to Johnson.
Yesterday was the first non sell out of twickenham for years. There were seats available on General release which is unheard of. I turned down a freebie to go which is even more unheard of but it shows how people are losing faith. Also speaks volumes about the price of tickets and the style of rugby in the championship in general
No he is not a magician but he has no guts as a coach and is too conventional.We will not win the WC with twelvetrees or baritt so he should have been trying options like slade.
If we get out the group we will go out at QF stage.
I have never wanted Lancaster and unfortunately all my predictions on him are coming true. His record is poor and no different to Johnson.
Yesterday was the first non sell out of twickenham for years. There were seats available on General release which is unheard of. I turned down a freebie to go which is even more unheard of but it shows how people are losing faith. Also speaks volumes about the price of tickets and the style of rugby in the championship in general
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I've seen him, it's not good. No point doing this again.
I've never seen anyone (main board or here) mention Simpson as candidate for England. He's anti quick service and has the worst pass in the AP.
Youngs, Care, Wigglesworth, Dickson, Robson all better players.
I've never seen anyone (main board or here) mention Simpson as candidate for England. He's anti quick service and has the worst pass in the AP.
Youngs, Care, Wigglesworth, Dickson, Robson all better players.
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Slade hasn't played 12 as far as I'm aware, as you have stated before it's better to play players in positions they know.
Slade is flavour of the month but SL has had him in and seen what he can do.
Slade is flavour of the month but SL has had him in and seen what he can do.
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So who is form no9 in the AP at the moment then? I've come across 4-5 articles in recent weeks written by former international no9s calling for Simpson to be included. Like I said I like a player who can add impact from the bench and personally don't believe that any of them can make an impact like Simpson can.
I agree with what you've said before in that there are better no9s to start, but disagree completely in terms of those players you've listed being better from the bench.
On Slade, generally if you play at no10 and have the physical attributes you can move to no12 very easily - might be wrong but Slade's quite tall (over 6ft 1 or 2) and very good defender. To be able to shift between the no10 and no13 shirts for Exeter at a good level is very impressive, so personally don't think it would be too difficult for him. For me though, would he be any worse than Twelvetrees from the bench? Personally don't think so.
I agree with what you've said before in that there are better no9s to start, but disagree completely in terms of those players you've listed being better from the bench.
On Slade, generally if you play at no10 and have the physical attributes you can move to no12 very easily - might be wrong but Slade's quite tall (over 6ft 1 or 2) and very good defender. To be able to shift between the no10 and no13 shirts for Exeter at a good level is very impressive, so personally don't think it would be too difficult for him. For me though, would he be any worse than Twelvetrees from the bench? Personally don't think so.
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You always want this erratic running type player from the bench. It's equally if not more important to have a player who can control a game.
I've been impressed with Wigglesworth a lot from his bench appearances. He's got a quick service and can read a game extremley well. It's not always about having a sprinter with little in terms of skill to bring on.
"Impact" means adding something to the game in a positive manner imo. I'd again say all those players would be better from the bench as they're better players.
I've been impressed with Wigglesworth a lot from his bench appearances. He's got a quick service and can read a game extremley well. It's not always about having a sprinter with little in terms of skill to bring on.
"Impact" means adding something to the game in a positive manner imo. I'd again say all those players would be better from the bench as they're better players.
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It's not like SL hasn't had a good look at Slade...
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Slade does seem a perfect bench option though, covers 2 positions better than 36, no worse D, better decision maker at AP level, as good a kicker if not better for points. Better out of hand. Better in attack... Better form...
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Agree with you there completely CJ. Certainly in fantastic form, feel Lancaster is too conservative still - the majority of his selections when he's gone for more attacking players have all come about because of injuries.
Pooly to a large extent I agree with you, but I think you fail to take into account the way that England play and against the bigger teams we are quite clearly going to be playing catchup in the final quarter of games, and the likes of Wiggles, Twelvetrees etc aren't they players who can do that. Wiggles has a great kicking game, but England have an extremely poor kick chase game.
Against the lesser teams in the WC, I also think we need to have players on a bench who can help accelerate a scoreline in the final quarter and again our current bench are incapable of that.
Pooly to a large extent I agree with you, but I think you fail to take into account the way that England play and against the bigger teams we are quite clearly going to be playing catchup in the final quarter of games, and the likes of Wiggles, Twelvetrees etc aren't they players who can do that. Wiggles has a great kicking game, but England have an extremely poor kick chase game.
Against the lesser teams in the WC, I also think we need to have players on a bench who can help accelerate a scoreline in the final quarter and again our current bench are incapable of that.
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Wiggles is more than a good kicker. He has great service and game management. Why will we always be chasing a game?
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