Rynard Landman straight red for elbowing Jack Carty

Bit of a shocker, he'll be out for a while and probably cost his team this match, they only lost by 5 points despite playing most of the game with 14 men.

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Typical Southern Hemisphere stuff. Italian sides can't cut it so have to resort to this kind of play-acting.

The Scottish player hardly touched the guy. No wonder they lost.

Pot Hale wrote:Typical Southern Hemisphere stuff.   Italian sides can't cut it so have to resort to this kind of play-acting.

The Scottish player hardly touched the guy.  No wonder they lost.

I didn't see the match or the incident but looking at that, it really does look bad. Totally intentional and deserving of a very long ban.

ahem... anyway....yes, he was silly, and I think may face a lengthy ban. He admitted on Twitter that it was stupid, and that he let the team down. Particularly disappointing as he was captain. Hardly leading by example.

Pot Hale wrote:Typical Southern Hemisphere stuff.   Italian sides can't cut it so have to resort to this kind of play-acting.

The Scottish player hardly touched the guy.  No wonder they lost.

Have your been on the sauce all day?!

Munchkin wrote:ahem... anyway....yes, he was silly, and I think may face a lengthy ban. He admitted on Twitter that it was stupid, and that he let the team down. Particularly disappointing as he was captain. Hardly leading by example.

Aaahh the Twitter admittance followed by an apology, that will save him 3 weeks off his ban

Yes, no complaints from Dragons fans on here or Facebook from what I can seen. Idiot. Still, a losing BP for the Dragons is at least something when down to 14 for most of the game. A small blessing.

Shame, he's been our best player this season. Hope this doesn't cost us too much.

Pot Hale wrote:Typical Southern Hemisphere stuff.   Italian sides can't cut it so have to resort to this kind of play-acting.

The Scottish player hardly touched the guy.  No wonder they lost.

Ok?

Nachos Jones wrote:

Munchkin wrote:ahem... anyway....yes, he was silly, and I think may face a lengthy ban. He admitted on Twitter that it was stupid, and that he let the team down. Particularly disappointing as he was captain. Hardly leading by example.

Aaahh the Twitter admittance followed by an apology, that will save him 3 weeks off his ban  

He hopes, although admitting it early may save him a week or two. Can hardly deny it though. I'm not sure the Twitter apology did much good for Pape. He's thinking of appealing, but would be wise to take his medicine, and forget about appeals, methinks.

This already got a mention on the match thread. Don't you think you could have posted it there?

It was a bit tongue in cheek Munchkin. It just seems that players who commit such fouls seem to think that taking to the social media with an apology and admittance will reduce any potential bans.

Nachos Jones wrote:It was a bit tongue in cheek Munchkin. It just seems that players who commit such fouls seem to think that taking to the social media with an apology and admittance will reduce any potential bans.

I know it was You may well be right about the use of social media.

Pot Hale wrote:Typical Southern Hemisphere stuff.   Italian sides can't cut it so have to resort to this kind of play-acting.

The Scottish player hardly touched the guy.  No wonder they lost.

A South African playing for a Welsh team smacks an Irish player on the head with his elbow and it turns out's it's the fault of the Scots because the Italians aren't good enough?

Ah ha!

Where's the <backsawaysmiling> emoticon when you need it?

It's fairly similar to Hogg last year. He had a reduced ban to three weeks. I think Landman might get something like six reduced to four.

Pot Hale wrote:Typical Southern Hemisphere stuff.   Italian sides can't cut it so have to resort to this kind of play-acting.

The Scottish player hardly touched the guy.  No wonder they lost.

lol is this some kind of parallel universe.

I'm not for red cards for collisions in the air as i think it makes the game too soft but this one was as straight a red as i have seen in recent times.

Jaysus - just seen this. That was bad, particularly given how important he is to the Dragons. Why on earth do that? There's no way that motion could be construed as anything other than a strike. Mind melting stuff.

Scrum V were right when they said he should've just clattered the ten with a hard tackle. I assume he wanted to shake the ten up a bit, but obviously went about it the wrong way.

Gutted really, as he seems a top man and is an important player for us. Very out of character.

How does it compare to Pape 10 weeks ban? Lucky for Landman Carty didn't get injured but i fear the worst, he could be looking at a 12 weeks ban.

Whiff of Cordites most recent article addresses a new phenomena sweeping the game, the twitter apology.

http://whiffofcordite.com/2015/02/23/the-twitter-apology/

I was wrong.  
I didn't mean to do it in a meaningful way that might have gotten seen too clearly by a camera.  
I'll try better next time and disguise it a bit more.  But that can be hard when you're trying to make a physical point.  
Anyway, so apologies all round and I never meant a bit of it except the bit I might be banned for.

oops, I'm over me Twitter word count total. Apologies again.

Talking about a glass jaw. Hell my sister's little grandchild can handle better punches than that, I think about milking a cow when I look at that incident.

Having said that, removing the cow milker from the equation it was rather stupid.

But Bilt. If the Cow didn't expect a Glass Jaw (because he think all players are like him - big and strong loike his dad and sister's grandchild, innit) then why would he even attempt the cheap shot?

What was in it for the Cow if he expected the milker to just take it like a man?

SecretFly wrote:But Bilt.  If the Cow didn't expect a Glass Jaw (because he think all players are like him - big and strong loike his dad and sister's grandchild, innit) then why would he even attempt the cheap shot?

What was in it for the Cow if he expected the milker to just take it like a man?

The cow is stupid and a bully, but the milker shouldn't expect any respect nor credit for the bucket of spilt milk

Personally I think Landman is the second best lock in Wales behind AWJ. Silly incident but he's a fantastic player, average in South Africa but exceptional in Wales.
You can take the boy out of South Africa, but not South Africa out of the boy, that incident was Tuesday morning for Kobus Wiese

Shifty wrote:Personally I think Landman is the second best lock in Wales behind AWJ.  Silly incident but he's a fantastic player, average in South Africa but exceptional in Wales.
You can take the boy out of South Africa, but not South Africa out of the boy, that incident was Tuesday morning for Kobus Wiese

Talking about Kobus Wiese, I will never forget this as long as live, Wiese was playing for the Lions (Transvaal then) and the Lions was on attack inside the Brumbies 22, there was a breakdown a few meters from the goal line and Gregan decided to tap Wiese around, WIese completely lost his cool, jumping over the ruck (that was a sight to behold) and chased after Gregan who was running away, I can't remember who the referee was but he stepped aside as he saw the lights go off in Wiese's eyes and decided he will leave this one up to fate. He never caught Gregan as he kept on running, but had Wiese caught Gregan on that day I believe the Assies' Glass jaw would have been exposed. )

MrsP wrote:

Pot Hale wrote:Typical Southern Hemisphere stuff.   Italian sides can't cut it so have to resort to this kind of play-acting.

The Scottish player hardly touched the guy.  No wonder they lost.

A South African playing for a Welsh team smacks an Irish player on the head with his elbow and it turns out's it's the fault of the Scots because the Italians aren't good enough?

Ah ha!

Where's the <backsawaysmiling> emoticon when you need it?

The Welsh do like their conspiracy theories - thought it would be useful to add to them.

Scottish teams are currently trying to sign Huw Jones, a Scot with a Welsh name and an English dad who plays rugby in South Africa.

Confused? You will be.

George Carlin wrote:Scottish teams are currently trying to sign Huw Jones, a Scot with a Welsh name and an English dad who plays rugby in South Africa.

Confused? You will be.

Why did he move to SA? I see he finished his schooling in the UK.

Maybe he has aspirations to play for the Green and Gold, now wouldn't that be a laugh

I think they should do a Christies Auction for that fella. A lot of interest on the phones it seems.

Got to be 3 weeks surely, as that is what Hogg had? Unless they consider an elbow more dangerous than a shoulder.

This past weekend Triggs from the Blues tonked Duane Vermeulen two shots in the face, he got red carded during the match and been served a one week ban.

There is no consistency that makes sense to the bans, it isn't even worth trying to comprehend.

I agree Biltong, no consistency at all. My preference is a punch is a red, and the subsequent ban is pending the judicial review, personal history, etc.. But, even whether it is red or not is not consistent. Did you see Triggs' and his captain's surprise at the red?

I did Doc, but as much as foul play must be eradicated I don't like the issue of red cards.

There must be another way to deter players from committing them

Someone mentioned orange cards, team play with a man down for 10 minutes then a sub can take his place, like in ice hockey actually.

Then you can serve bans, fines...

That might be a solution, I have also seen someone suggest a red card = 2 yellow cards, so make it 20 min with 14 men

What I have never really understood is the 'taking into account' of a players history. Surely if you commit a foul in such a manner a previously good history matters nothing, its still a cheap and nasty shot and should be punished accordingly?

Nachos Jones wrote:What I have never really understood is the 'taking into account' of a players history. Surely if you commit a foul in such a manner a previously good history matters nothing, its still a cheap and nasty shot and should be punished accordingly?

I agree to a certain extent, but the bans for first time foul play offenders can't or shouldn't be as severe as a continual offender, I think one and two week ban serve no purpose, bans for foul play should be minimum 6 matches at the level (or higher) the game was played at excluding frindlies like pre season matches.

the bans for repeat offenders should work on a sliding scale in regards to foul play.

1st time 6 weeks
2nd offence 8 weeks
and hen in increments thereafter.

I understand that Biltong, I just feel that in cases where its a clear and obvious infringement (like this) that there should be no leniency shown. This was purely stupid and intentional, no other way of describing it.

I do like the sliding scale you have provided though

He shouldn't get too much I feel. Should maybe look at banning their ten too, as if Landman had really wanted to hit him, he'd have stayed hit. I thought the ten had been picked off by a sniper, he fell that heavily.

Risca Rev wrote:He shouldn't get too much I feel. Should maybe look at banning their ten too, as if Landman had really wanted to hit him, he'd have stayed hit. I thought the ten had been picked off by a sniper, he fell that heavily.

Odd comment to make there Risca. Carty didn't see it coming, was hit around the side (to the back of the head) with a cowardly elbow. I am not sure if you have ever been caught in the head from behind but it damn well hurts especially when not expecting it. Not sure he milked it at all myself.

Biltong wrote:I did Doc, but as much as foul play must be eradicated I don't like the issue of red cards.

There must be another way to deter players from committing them

Mate, I can't see another way to do it. I have given out a few love taps along the way, but now think we really have to remove it from the pro game. The problem, as with everything, is defining a punch. Triggs deliverd a straight on punch, as did Tuilagi on Ashton, for example. But a slap in frustration which does no damage? Hard to always define everything in black and white.

Maybe the person who received the punch could get a freebie at the original offender at mid-filed? Stand there like a man and take the best your opponent has got? Cool, eh?

Risca Rev wrote:He shouldn't get too much I feel. Should maybe look at banning their ten too, as if Landman had really wanted to hit him, he'd have stayed hit. I thought the ten had been picked off by a sniper, he fell that heavily.

Seriously?

You probably remember the similar calls when someone wanted to award Heaslip an Oscar for his reaction to having 3 transverse processes broken.

The guy gets hit illegally on 3 counts,

(1) late
(2) to the head
(3) with a deliberate elbow

But you think the 10 was equally at fault?

And Grey?

No! Just no!

MrsP wrote:

Risca Rev wrote:He shouldn't get too much I feel. Should maybe look at banning their ten too, as if Landman had really wanted to hit him, he'd have stayed hit. I thought the ten had been picked off by a sniper, he fell that heavily.

Seriously?

You probably remember the similar calls when someone wanted to award Heaslip an Oscar for his reaction to having 3 transverse processes broken.

The guy gets hit illegally on 3 counts,

(1) late
(2) to the head
(3) with a deliberate elbow

But you think the 10 was equally at fault?

And Grey?

No! Just no!

Funny that you were really quiet when just last week all the cretins said Biggar deserved a red card for being taken out in the air.

The Saint wrote:

MrsP wrote:

Risca Rev wrote:He shouldn't get too much I feel. Should maybe look at banning their ten too, as if Landman had really wanted to hit him, he'd have stayed hit. I thought the ten had been picked off by a sniper, he fell that heavily.

Seriously?

You probably remember the similar calls when someone wanted to award Heaslip an Oscar for his reaction to having 3 transverse processes broken.

The guy gets hit illegally on 3 counts,

(1) late
(2) to the head
(3) with a deliberate elbow

But you think the 10 was equally at fault?

And Grey?

No! Just no!

Funny that you were really quiet when just last week all the cretins said Biggar deserved a red card for being taken out in the air.

Well that post has so many untruths and insults in it should be in the hall of shame.

The issue was not Biggar, nor the fact that he was Welsh (yeah, I know where you are going with this) the debate was about the accountability cannot only be deemed that of the "deemed guilty" player.

As for the cretins you so liberally call out, how about manning up to who they are?

Who said that?

Biltong wrote:

The Saint wrote:

MrsP wrote:

Risca Rev wrote:He shouldn't get too much I feel. Should maybe look at banning their ten too, as if Landman had really wanted to hit him, he'd have stayed hit. I thought the ten had been picked off by a sniper, he fell that heavily.

Seriously?

You probably remember the similar calls when someone wanted to award Heaslip an Oscar for his reaction to having 3 transverse processes broken.

The guy gets hit illegally on 3 counts,

(1) late
(2) to the head
(3) with a deliberate elbow

But you think the 10 was equally at fault?

And Grey?

No! Just no!

Funny that you were really quiet when just last week all the cretins said Biggar deserved a red card for being taken out in the air.

Well that post has so many untruths and insults in it should be in the hall of shame.

The issue was not Biggar, nor the fact that he was Welsh (yeah, I know where you are going with this) the debate was about the accountability cannot only be deemed that of the "deemed guilty" player.

As for the cretins you so liberally call out, how about manning up to who they are?

Biltong now that you bring it up that reminds me, didn't you say Biggar should have been given red for his reaction to someone almost breaking his neck? It seems the post has a few truths after all .

As for the cretins, basically 75% of this board given the reaction to Wales' win.

I criticised his rant as it was explained to me yes, and suggested he be carded for it. As intimidation of referees are unacceptable

MrsP wrote:

Risca Rev wrote:He shouldn't get too much I feel. Should maybe look at banning their ten too, as if Landman had really wanted to hit him, he'd have stayed hit. I thought the ten had been picked off by a sniper, he fell that heavily.

Seriously?

You probably remember the similar calls when someone wanted to award Heaslip an Oscar for his reaction to having 3 transverse processes broken.

The guy gets hit illegally on 3 counts,

(1) late
(2) to the head
(3) with a deliberate elbow

But you think the 10 was equally at fault?

And Grey?

No! Just no!

No, I wasn't being serious. As I said, he should get six weeks reduced to four, as it's marginally worse than what Hogg did. I wonder if many people swarmed round that last year, as they are now (here and twitter)?

Biltong wrote:I criticised his rant as it was explained to me yes, and suggested he be carded for it. As intimidation of referees are unacceptable

I've still seen no clear evidence of his rant. All we are basing that on is what somebody heard on ref mic, I thought?