Individually, how good is this Irish team?
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Individually, how good is this Irish team?
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It seems to have become an article of faith that the current Irish side is winning games through discipline, error-free rugby and a tactical and strategic approach that is somewhere close to genius. The suggestion, implied or spoken outright, is that there are few individual stars in this 'faceless' green machine.
I suggest that this does the players a serious disservice - at least five of the side that beat England (Murray, Sexton, Bowe, O'Connell and Healy) would be in contention for a "best Irish team of the past 50 years" jersey. The crocked Heaslip would similarly be in the running at 8 - that's one hell of a nucleus of outstanding individuals around which to build a team. Seems to me that in the rush to praise the organisation and the collective effort, we shouldn't forget that there are some mighty accomplished players out there.
It seems to have become an article of faith that the current Irish side is winning games through discipline, error-free rugby and a tactical and strategic approach that is somewhere close to genius. The suggestion, implied or spoken outright, is that there are few individual stars in this 'faceless' green machine.
I suggest that this does the players a serious disservice - at least five of the side that beat England (Murray, Sexton, Bowe, O'Connell and Healy) would be in contention for a "best Irish team of the past 50 years" jersey. The crocked Heaslip would similarly be in the running at 8 - that's one hell of a nucleus of outstanding individuals around which to build a team. Seems to me that in the rush to praise the organisation and the collective effort, we shouldn't forget that there are some mighty accomplished players out there.
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Take it to the bank Guns...btw saw some imposter trying to impersonate the great Gibbo on 42.ie there...
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what happened to the other thread on Barnes ? I posted something and suddenly it disapeared
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I guess the blatent slander?
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No 7&1/2 wrote:I guess the blatent slander?
What slander? All I did was point out the facts. Ridiculous to remove that article.
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blatant slander my arse, 7 1/2 Most of that junk was play-acting and tom foolery.
People here need to do a lot of bloody growing up. If I don't like hearing something, I press a button? If only life was really like that, we'd all have been red-buttoned into silence a long time ago.
But let's keep an eye on 'slander' for future reference to all future refs in all future games. I know I'll have my finger on that exclamation mark - especially during WC
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rodders wrote:Take it to the bank Guns...btw saw some imposter trying to impersonate the great Gibbo on 42.ie there...
Oh right was that you?
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I'm guessing Fly. For the record I didn't report anything. I was challenging the view not wanting it censored.
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SecretFly wrote:
blatant slander my arse, 7 1/2 Most of that junk was play-acting and tom foolery.
People here need to do a lot of bloody growing up. If I don't like hearing something, I press a button? If only life was really like that, we'd all have been red-buttoned into silence a long time ago.
But let's keep an eye on 'slander' for future reference to all future refs in all future games. I know I'll have my finger on that exclamation mark - especially during WC
100% agree with that
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Je suis Wayne Barnes.
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Don't you get notification of why it was removed as the author?
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No 7&1/2 wrote:Don't you get notification of why it was removed as the author?
No. Its all part of the conspiracy I think.
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Barnes is obviously in cahoots with Steve Walsh and Putin.
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No 7&1/2 wrote:I'm guessing Fly. For the record I didn't report anything. I was challenging the view not wanting it censored.
I didn't think it was you initially, then I wasn't so sure with that comment above. Glad it wasn't as I'd put you down as one of the more temperate posters in this wild place. Apologies for the snap
I certainly didn't slander anyone and I still saw the red mark above my name before it closed.
Every time anyone questions the bias of any ref, that's a definition of slander. But this place is stuffed with it - most especially over on Pro12 threads against the refs of a certain Nation. All the time - every week - every month. Yet we take it, we laugh it off, we engage and very few offender ever worry about red marks closing down the topics.
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Flair is not a goal, flair is an symptom of accuracy. With Schmidt, it's emergent, not inherent.
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It doesn't bother me who complained but I don't think the mods should have censored it. Maybe no one complained. That's their choice anyway though so I'm not that bothered.
Ireland's record with him as ref is dire and his record of penalizing Ireland and not our opposition is dreadful so I don't have to like him.
Ireland's record with him as ref is dire and his record of penalizing Ireland and not our opposition is dreadful so I don't have to like him.
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Flair has little to do with modern day rugby - Its now called Risk by the way
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Ireland in 5 years time.
http://balls.ie/rugby/244741-ireland-rugby-team-2020/
http://balls.ie/rugby/244741-ireland-rugby-team-2020/
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GunsGerms wrote:rodders wrote:Take it to the bank Guns...btw saw some imposter trying to impersonate the great Gibbo on 42.ie there...
Oh right was that you?
No but the fella in the pic didn't look much like gibbo... I'd have my doubts!
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whocares wrote:what happened to the other thread on Barnes ? I posted something and suddenly it disapeared
The RFU/PRL/IRB Illuminati are behind it - you can't beat the man it seems...snake eyes, another win for the house.
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