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6N Round 4: The Calcutta Cup clash
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ENGLAND v SCOTLAND
Saturday 14 February 2015
KO 17:00 (GMT)
Twickers
Live on BBC1
Referee: Romain Poitey (FFR)
AR1: George Clancy (IRFU)
AR2: Marius Mitrea (FIR)
TMO: Ben Skeen (NZR)
Teams:
ENGLAND
M Brown (Harlequins); A Watson (Bath), J Joseph (Bath), L Burrell (Northampton), J Nowell (Exeter); G Ford (Bath), B Youngs (Leicester); J Marler (Harlequins), D Hartley (Northampton), D Cole (Leicester), D Attwood (Bath), C Lawes (Northampton), J Haskell (Wasps), C Robshaw (Harlequins, capt), B Vunipola (Saracens).
Replacements: T Youngs (Leicester), M Vunipola (Saracens), K Brookes (Newcastle), G Parling (Leicester), T Wood (Northampton), R Wigglesworth (Saracens), D Cipriani (Sale), B Twelvetrees (Gloucester).
SCOTLAND
Stuart Hogg (Glasgow Warriors); Dougie Fife (Edinburgh), Mark Bennett (Glasgow Warriors), Matt Scott (Edinburgh), Tommy Seymour, Finn Russell (both Glasgow Warriors), Greig Laidlaw (captn) (Gloucester); Alasdair Dickinson (Edinburgh), Ross Ford (Edinburgh), Euan Murray (Glasgow Warriors), Jim Hamilton (Saracens), Jonny Gray (Glasgow Warriors), Robert Harley (Glasgow Warriors), Blair Cowan (London Irish) David Denton (Edinburgh).
Replacements: Fraser Brown, Ryan Grant (both Glasgow Warriors), Geoff Cross (London Irish), Tim Swinson (Glasgow Warriors), Johnnie Beattie (Montpellier), Adam Ashe (Glasgow Warriors), Sam Hidalgo-Clyne and Greig Tonks (both Edinburgh)
The result of the Ireland game beforehand could make things very interesting from an English perspective. Tournament could be blown wide open, & see England looking for a big score with an eye to next weekend & things coming down to points difference.
For us, there's nothing at stake bar pride & some melted Indian Rupees.
Twickenham was always going to be tough, but given how things have gone this tournament I'm absolutely dreading this match.
Our record down South is more embarrassing than Natalie Bennett on LBC! 32 long years since we last won at Twickenham and in the last half century we've managed just one other win in 1971. Stretch things back to the whole century and we can double our total with wins in 1926 & 1938!
Fear we'll see a similar game to England - Italy, valiant start by us & some swashbuckling stuff before ultimately being crushed in the final quarter. Although if we 'defend' the maul like we did against Italy the score will be worse.
On the bright side though, scoring any points would be an improvement on last years Calcutta Cup match...
Preconditions people? Am I being too gloomy?
ENGLAND v SCOTLAND
Saturday 14 February 2015
KO 17:00 (GMT)
Twickers
Live on BBC1
Referee: Romain Poitey (FFR)
AR1: George Clancy (IRFU)
AR2: Marius Mitrea (FIR)
TMO: Ben Skeen (NZR)
Teams:
ENGLAND
M Brown (Harlequins); A Watson (Bath), J Joseph (Bath), L Burrell (Northampton), J Nowell (Exeter); G Ford (Bath), B Youngs (Leicester); J Marler (Harlequins), D Hartley (Northampton), D Cole (Leicester), D Attwood (Bath), C Lawes (Northampton), J Haskell (Wasps), C Robshaw (Harlequins, capt), B Vunipola (Saracens).
Replacements: T Youngs (Leicester), M Vunipola (Saracens), K Brookes (Newcastle), G Parling (Leicester), T Wood (Northampton), R Wigglesworth (Saracens), D Cipriani (Sale), B Twelvetrees (Gloucester).
SCOTLAND
Stuart Hogg (Glasgow Warriors); Dougie Fife (Edinburgh), Mark Bennett (Glasgow Warriors), Matt Scott (Edinburgh), Tommy Seymour, Finn Russell (both Glasgow Warriors), Greig Laidlaw (captn) (Gloucester); Alasdair Dickinson (Edinburgh), Ross Ford (Edinburgh), Euan Murray (Glasgow Warriors), Jim Hamilton (Saracens), Jonny Gray (Glasgow Warriors), Robert Harley (Glasgow Warriors), Blair Cowan (London Irish) David Denton (Edinburgh).
Replacements: Fraser Brown, Ryan Grant (both Glasgow Warriors), Geoff Cross (London Irish), Tim Swinson (Glasgow Warriors), Johnnie Beattie (Montpellier), Adam Ashe (Glasgow Warriors), Sam Hidalgo-Clyne and Greig Tonks (both Edinburgh)
The result of the Ireland game beforehand could make things very interesting from an English perspective. Tournament could be blown wide open, & see England looking for a big score with an eye to next weekend & things coming down to points difference.
For us, there's nothing at stake bar pride & some melted Indian Rupees.
Twickenham was always going to be tough, but given how things have gone this tournament I'm absolutely dreading this match.
Our record down South is more embarrassing than Natalie Bennett on LBC! 32 long years since we last won at Twickenham and in the last half century we've managed just one other win in 1971. Stretch things back to the whole century and we can double our total with wins in 1926 & 1938!
Fear we'll see a similar game to England - Italy, valiant start by us & some swashbuckling stuff before ultimately being crushed in the final quarter. Although if we 'defend' the maul like we did against Italy the score will be worse.
On the bright side though, scoring any points would be an improvement on last years Calcutta Cup match...
Preconditions people? Am I being too gloomy?
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Interesting to hear about England's 15 V 15 game - that would have been fairly intense!
If Scotland did one it would probably be:
Dickinson V Cross
Ford V Brown
Murray V Grant
Hamilton V Swinson
Gray V Toolis
Harley V Strokosh
Cowan V Watson
Denton V Beattie
Laidlaw V Hidalgo-Clyne
Russell V Tonks
Seymour V Fife
Dunbar V Horne
Bennett V Scott
Maitland V Visser
Hogg V Murchie
There would be some tasty match-ups there too!
If Scotland did one it would probably be:
Dickinson V Cross
Ford V Brown
Murray V Grant
Hamilton V Swinson
Gray V Toolis
Harley V Strokosh
Cowan V Watson
Denton V Beattie
Laidlaw V Hidalgo-Clyne
Russell V Tonks
Seymour V Fife
Dunbar V Horne
Bennett V Scott
Maitland V Visser
Hogg V Murchie
There would be some tasty match-ups there too!
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Yes, I would love to have seen that. I wonder how much 'contact' was allowed. Conditioning coaches say that you have to have full contact in the week prior to a game but to allow at least 2 days' recovery afterwards.yappysnap wrote:Sounds like we're getting that anger back into the side ready for the weekend, shame it's two weeks too late but I guess better late then never:England's efforts to fine tune their ruck discipline led to a feisty training session on Wednesday as they prepared for Saturday's Six Nations clash against Scotland at Twickenham.
Stuart Lancaster's side head into Saturday's match with an emphasis on improving their work around the breakdown as they look to get back to winning ways following their loss in Dublin. They conceded 13 penalties against Ireland and the starting XV for the Calcutta Cup clash were put through their paces in training by those who are either on the bench for Saturday's match or who missed out on selection.
The 15 v 15 match was refereed by J.P. Doyle and it was feisty enough for England coach Lancaster to halt to ensure they "didn't play the game too early". He added: "Both sides had an edge about them. You can describe it as a backlash or whatever you want but we had 15 v 15 training today and I had to calm it down."
The starting XV for the Calcutta Cup match faced a pack of Mako Vunipola, Tom Youngs, Kieran Brookes, Geoff Parling, George Kruis, Nick Easter, Tom Wood and Matt Kvesic. The backline featured Danny Cipriani at fly-half, Henry Slade at 12 and Sam Burgess at outside centre.
"The non-15, if you like, had a point to prove but also wanted to create some intensity in the session, particularly at the breakdown, to make sure we were accurate as a team," Lancaster said. "They did that and were a huge challenge for us defensively. Equally the team that was selected, we had talked in the review of the Ireland game about being accurate at the breakdown and sharp.
"All of those components came to play and it was the type of session you need sometimes in the lead up to a big game."
The exercise also allowed Lancaster to run the rule over those who are currently not involved in the matchday squad. England have just five Test matches until the start of the World Cup and such is the competitiveness of the inter-group matches, Lancaster will not contemplate bringing in outside opposition to keep his team match-fit. It was a training session that was made possible by the absence of a Test last weekend.
"We were always going to have it," Lancaster said. "You wanted to put the starting team under pressure so that they get used to making decisions under pressure and the more you can replicate that in training, hopefully when the game comes around it comes easy.
"You can't do it very often because there is always usually a game you have just played. But because we didn't have the game and we had given the boys who had played a bit of time to recover, then it enabled us to. I am confident we'll be in the right place for Saturday."
Lancaster has changed two for the Scotland match with Courtney Lawes and Mike Brown starting. Lawes will call the lineout against Scotland and Lancaster is looking forward to having Brown's "winner's mentality" back in the squad.
"When it comes down to the fine margins on selection, technically, tactically, physically, you can look at the numbers, the intangible is that and he has it," Lancaster said. "Lots of players do. He is one that definitely does. Even though he is not that vocal off the field, just his sheer competitiveness is what you want in your team."
Any one else interested to see how that non-starting XV played? Match ups like LawesvKruis, RobshawvKvesic, VunipolavEaster and the 10&12 combinations must have been very tasty! Bet guys like Easter were giving it out to any one within range, he's just the right kind of player to have in a training squad.
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Wow, what a selection. Exactly the 15 the fans would have picked. All fit and in form. The English haven't a chance.
OK so I'm about an hour early but you know Vern will show his inner Toonie by picking the right men to do the job. Frodo, Hagrid the penalty magnet, Stokes, McVisser.
OK so I'm about an hour early but you know Vern will show his inner Toonie by picking the right men to do the job. Frodo, Hagrid the penalty magnet, Stokes, McVisser.
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Dunbar injured. Matt Scott12 plays at 12.
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Fife replaces McVisser. Seymour and Hogg make up back three.
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I'm not too sure about the bench - Ashe is not match fit so why include him on the bench at the expense of, a back replacement.
Scottish medics be like
Scottish medics be like
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GLove39 wrote:Dunbar is out after picking up a bad injury this morning
Not good at all.
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15 Stuart Hogg; 30 caps, 9 tries, 1 pen, 48 points
14 Dougie Fife; 4 caps, 1 try, 5 points
13 Mark Bennett; 5 caps, 1 try, 5 points
12 Matt Scott; 23 caps, 3 tries, 15 points
11 Tommy Seymour; 15 caps, 6 tries, 30 points
10 Finn Russell; 7 caps, 1 con, 2 points
9 Greig Laidlaw CAPTAIN; 37 caps, 3 tries, 39 cons, 78 pens, 327 points
1 Alasdair Dickinson; 42 caps, 2 tries, 10 points
2 Ross Ford; 83 caps, 2 tries, 10 points
3 Euan Murray; 64 caps, 2 tries, 10 points
4 Jim Hamilton; 59 caps, 1 try, 5 points
5 Jonny Gray; 11 caps, 1 try, 5 points
6 Robert Harley; 13 caps, 1 try, 5 points
7 Blair Cowan; 9 caps, 1 try, 5 points
8 David Denton; 23 caps
Substitutes
16 Fraser Brown; 6 caps
17 Ryan Grant; 20 caps
18 Geoff Cross; 38 caps, 2 tries, 10 points
19 Tim Swinson; 10 caps
20 Johnnie Beattie; 37 caps, 3 tries, 15 points
21 Adam Ashe; 3 caps
22 Sam Hidalgo-Clyne; 3 caps
23 Greig Tonks; 2 caps
14 Dougie Fife; 4 caps, 1 try, 5 points
13 Mark Bennett; 5 caps, 1 try, 5 points
12 Matt Scott; 23 caps, 3 tries, 15 points
11 Tommy Seymour; 15 caps, 6 tries, 30 points
10 Finn Russell; 7 caps, 1 con, 2 points
9 Greig Laidlaw CAPTAIN; 37 caps, 3 tries, 39 cons, 78 pens, 327 points
1 Alasdair Dickinson; 42 caps, 2 tries, 10 points
2 Ross Ford; 83 caps, 2 tries, 10 points
3 Euan Murray; 64 caps, 2 tries, 10 points
4 Jim Hamilton; 59 caps, 1 try, 5 points
5 Jonny Gray; 11 caps, 1 try, 5 points
6 Robert Harley; 13 caps, 1 try, 5 points
7 Blair Cowan; 9 caps, 1 try, 5 points
8 David Denton; 23 caps
Substitutes
16 Fraser Brown; 6 caps
17 Ryan Grant; 20 caps
18 Geoff Cross; 38 caps, 2 tries, 10 points
19 Tim Swinson; 10 caps
20 Johnnie Beattie; 37 caps, 3 tries, 15 points
21 Adam Ashe; 3 caps
22 Sam Hidalgo-Clyne; 3 caps
23 Greig Tonks; 2 caps
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If Dunbar's injury is serious and Bennett gets injured, I fear the rest of Glasgow's season might be in for a bumpy ride
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Shame about Dunbar but Scott looked sharp for Edinburgh last week and will be desperate to reclaim his spot.
Pleased to see Jammy starting in boiler-room, strengthens our set-piece.
Mixed feeling about 5/2 split on the bench but should give us some punch later on in the match.
Good to see Fife's form getting rewarded but surprised there's no space for Maitland in the squad.
Excited.
And confident.
Pleased to see Jammy starting in boiler-room, strengthens our set-piece.
Mixed feeling about 5/2 split on the bench but should give us some punch later on in the match.
Good to see Fife's form getting rewarded but surprised there's no space for Maitland in the squad.
Excited.
And confident.
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Bit interesting having what effectively looks like 2 no.8 replacements on the bench
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Well I suppose the positives are that Beattie has been dropped to the bench for Denton and Ford is passed fit, which is a big positive for this game. Other than Richie Gray, that's probably our first choice pack, so that's a good thing.
Negatives: Dunbar missing, although at least Matt Scott looked to be finding his form again last weekend so it's not as big a drop in quality as it could have been. Laidlaw continues at 9 (unsurprising, but most of us would have preferred SHC). The 6:2 bench split is more than a little risky and I'm surprised to see we've picked both Ashe and Beattie on the bench - surely if you're going down the 6:2 route, you would want a back up seven and a 6/8 rather than an out of form 8 (Beattie) and an 8 who is only one game back from a 3 and a half month injury lay-off
Negatives: Dunbar missing, although at least Matt Scott looked to be finding his form again last weekend so it's not as big a drop in quality as it could have been. Laidlaw continues at 9 (unsurprising, but most of us would have preferred SHC). The 6:2 bench split is more than a little risky and I'm surprised to see we've picked both Ashe and Beattie on the bench - surely if you're going down the 6:2 route, you would want a back up seven and a 6/8 rather than an out of form 8 (Beattie) and an 8 who is only one game back from a 3 and a half month injury lay-off
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Can Arthur Ashe play in the centres?
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jimbopip wrote:Can Arthur Ashe play in the centres?
I don't think he's quick enough, where's Richie Vernon when you need him haha?
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The chat on twitter is that Dunbar is out for the rest of the season and is now a doubt for the world cup.
Huge blow
Huge blow
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Just noticed no Ben Toolis
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Nope. He's dead and he wouldn't have been much good anyway without a tennis racquet.jimbopip wrote:Can Arthur Ashe play in the centres?
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No Bent Tools?
Oh that's just me dyslexia in overdrive, sorry.
Oh that's just me dyslexia in overdrive, sorry.
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Weegie Wizard wrote:The chat on twitter is that Dunbar is out for the rest of the season and is now a doubt for the world cup.
Huge blow
WTF happened? He was fine yesterday!??
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And also no Hamish Watson - so you pick up a yellow and are out of the 23? Watson has been playing well for Edinburgh and is match fit - why pick Ashe??
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Not only is SHC not starting, but theres a reasonable chance he will end up having to come on and play somewhere other than 9.
Really bad news about Dunbar, and I can't for the life of me see the benefit in having Beattie on the bench given the form he's in. If Ashe is fit, then why not swap Beattie for Watson and give ourselves the option to change out gameplan? If we get 50 mins in an our ball carriers are getting smashed backwards wouldn't it be better to have Watson to bring on and play as a link man, shifting the point of attack out wider quicker, rather than bring on Beattie who will only go backwards further and faster?
Not looking forward to this one at all.
Really bad news about Dunbar, and I can't for the life of me see the benefit in having Beattie on the bench given the form he's in. If Ashe is fit, then why not swap Beattie for Watson and give ourselves the option to change out gameplan? If we get 50 mins in an our ball carriers are getting smashed backwards wouldn't it be better to have Watson to bring on and play as a link man, shifting the point of attack out wider quicker, rather than bring on Beattie who will only go backwards further and faster?
Not looking forward to this one at all.
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2 number 8s on the bench. Injuries to Harley & Cowan mid game & Johnsons dream will come true.
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Dunbar was sent for a scan within an hour, but that's to be expected.
No official word has been given so it's hard to say about the WC.
But Scott does deserve a chance at 12 and things maybe do need shaken up, after all, our backs haven't lit up the tournament like we wanted. Hogg got a length of pitch run which, let's face it, Danielli (whooooo!) could have scored and Bennett got an intercept try. Only Fife has got a well worked back try so far.
No official word has been given so it's hard to say about the WC.
But Scott does deserve a chance at 12 and things maybe do need shaken up, after all, our backs haven't lit up the tournament like we wanted. Hogg got a length of pitch run which, let's face it, Danielli (whooooo!) could have scored and Bennett got an intercept try. Only Fife has got a well worked back try so far.
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Any info on Dunbar? The SRU site are just saying it's a knee and he has had it scanned.
That sounds like ligaments and could easily mean he's out for months rather than weeks.
Fecc, fecc feccity fecc.
That sounds like ligaments and could easily mean he's out for months rather than weeks.
Fecc, fecc feccity fecc.
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Scottish White Line Fever wrote:Well I suppose the positives are that Beattie has been dropped to the bench for Denton and Ford is passed fit, which is a big positive for this game. Other than Richie Gray, that's probably our first choice pack, so that's a good thing.
Negatives: Dunbar missing, although at least Matt Scott looked to be finding his form again last weekend so it's not as big a drop in quality as it could have been. Laidlaw continues at 9 (unsurprising, but most of us would have preferred SHC). The 6:2 bench split is more than a little risky and I'm surprised to see we've picked both Ashe and Beattie on the bench - surely if you're going down the 6:2 route, you would want a back up seven and a 6/8 rather than an out of form 8 (Beattie) and an 8 who is only one game back from a 3 and a half month injury lay-off
There are some truly bizarre selections here. Play a 6:2 bench if you like but there is no reason at all to pick Swinson instead of Toolis - none whatsoever. Leaving a genuine utility man like Kelly Brown out looks completely mad in lieu of 2 guys who can really only play 8. Watson would have offered something different and made much more sense - Ashe and Rubbish JB are just too similar. Mystifying.
Also, we obviously don't know where Maitland was in the rehab process but my heard sank when I saw Fife in there. I really want him to be test class but I just can't see it.
Thank feck for Scott looking interested in playing rugby again, but that is absolutely no substitute for playing week in, week out with your 10 and centre partner. Losing Dunbar really is an absolute disaster - there's a pretty good argument he is our best player.
Struggling to find positives. Hamilton was the correct choice, but let's hope he can last for an hour before dropping Mini Swinson in there to do his 'fly against a car windscreen' impression.
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Really tough for Dunbar to take I would imagine.
Silver lining is that, if we needed to lose a starting player, Scott is by far the best replacement we have for any position.
Silver lining is that, if we needed to lose a starting player, Scott is by far the best replacement we have for any position.
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So where will Kellybrows be on Saturday?
Doing a feccin Q&A in a steakhouse in London. Drinks, Meal, Kellybrows and the game on a big screen for less than I paid for my ticket.
You just know Bennett will pull a hamstring in the warm up and Cowan will get concussed in the first ruck.
And I'm sitting with three Englishmen who are not renowned for being shy with their opinions.
Doing a feccin Q&A in a steakhouse in London. Drinks, Meal, Kellybrows and the game on a big screen for less than I paid for my ticket.
You just know Bennett will pull a hamstring in the warm up and Cowan will get concussed in the first ruck.
And I'm sitting with three Englishmen who are not renowned for being shy with their opinions.
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I can just see it - we'll be competitive for around 50 mins then VC will be forced to use the bench and we'll concede a ton of tries. They'll then be the excuse of injuries, but we made progress...
Sorry, but John Barclay and Kelly Brown have both been playing recently and well and can cover all the back-row positions sufficiently well. So why not have one of them and 3 backs? Why pick Beattie - who has been mediocre - and Ashe - who has not featured for donkeys! And why have Strockosh in the squad from the beginning and not use him now, picking two 8's instead of a 6 and an 8 if you must have 2x back rowers???
And Swinson, when Ben Toolis is the on form lock. Yes, we are yet to really see Toolis at intl level but Swinson is a decent club player, not an excellent intl player [at least yet].
Also, why not include maybe Duncan Taylor, Richie Vernon, Peter Horne, even Visser on the bench and have a normal 5:3 split? Madness!
Starting to wonder how much involvement VC has and how much influence SJ still has.
Sorry, but John Barclay and Kelly Brown have both been playing recently and well and can cover all the back-row positions sufficiently well. So why not have one of them and 3 backs? Why pick Beattie - who has been mediocre - and Ashe - who has not featured for donkeys! And why have Strockosh in the squad from the beginning and not use him now, picking two 8's instead of a 6 and an 8 if you must have 2x back rowers???
And Swinson, when Ben Toolis is the on form lock. Yes, we are yet to really see Toolis at intl level but Swinson is a decent club player, not an excellent intl player [at least yet].
Also, why not include maybe Duncan Taylor, Richie Vernon, Peter Horne, even Visser on the bench and have a normal 5:3 split? Madness!
Starting to wonder how much involvement VC has and how much influence SJ still has.
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Has big Vern gone totally loopy and attempting to recreate the famous 86 win in which we played most of the game with three 8's on the park?
Ashe has played one game back from a long lay off (not ready) and Beattie is playing like a French man who knows he is beat before the ball is kicked!
If a winger or centre gets injured then we will be in even more doo doo!
We are lucky to have the quality of Scott to fill the gap in the midfield but I would much preferred to have seen him on the bench with Dunbar starting. Definitely weakens our defense in the midfield, although not losing much in attack (hopefully!!!)
Ashe has played one game back from a long lay off (not ready) and Beattie is playing like a French man who knows he is beat before the ball is kicked!
If a winger or centre gets injured then we will be in even more doo doo!
We are lucky to have the quality of Scott to fill the gap in the midfield but I would much preferred to have seen him on the bench with Dunbar starting. Definitely weakens our defense in the midfield, although not losing much in attack (hopefully!!!)
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Re: 6N Round 4: The Calcutta Cup clash
Hasn't ashe been playing at 6 for the last couple of games for Glasgow? Suggests he's there to cover 8 & 6. Really hope that Harley and Cowan don't get injured as we could be in a SJ wet dream.
Also there is a going to be a lot of shuffling going on if one of the backs gets injured.
SHC can cover wing and 9, Tonks can cover 10 & FB, anything in the centre is going to see players moved out of position. Would Hogg be the choice for 13? (only asking as in the many discussions about moving him, 13 has been tipped on occasion) don't think Tonks has played centre, maybe SHC has.
There are a lot of eggs being put into a limited number of baskets with this selection.
Also there is a going to be a lot of shuffling going on if one of the backs gets injured.
SHC can cover wing and 9, Tonks can cover 10 & FB, anything in the centre is going to see players moved out of position. Would Hogg be the choice for 13? (only asking as in the many discussions about moving him, 13 has been tipped on occasion) don't think Tonks has played centre, maybe SHC has.
There are a lot of eggs being put into a limited number of baskets with this selection.
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Re: 6N Round 4: The Calcutta Cup clash
I reckon Vern writes down his selection and gives it to SJ to pass onto the media team for announcing. But on the way that dastardly mullet takes a biro to Verns selection, and once its been announced its too late to change it as the SRU have already used up their 'media shambles' quota over the last few years so can't go saying they announced the wrong team.
As Sherlock Holmes told us 'when you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth'.
As Sherlock Holmes told us 'when you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth'.
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Re: 6N Round 4: The Calcutta Cup clash
EWT Spoons wrote:Hasn't ashe been playing at 6 for the last couple of games for Glasgow? Suggests he's there to cover 8 & 6. Really hope that Harley and Cowan don't get injured as we could be in a SJ wet dream.
Also there is a going to be a lot of shuffling going on if one of the backs gets injured.
SHC can cover wing and 9, Tonks can cover 10 & FB, anything in the centre is going to see players moved out of position. Would Hogg be the choice for 13? (only asking as in the many discussions about moving him, 13 has been tipped on occasion) don't think Tonks has played centre, maybe SHC has.
There are a lot of eggs being put into a limited number of baskets with this selection.
If Bennett gets injured, possibly Fife to 13 and SHC to wing
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Re: 6N Round 4: The Calcutta Cup clash
Fair point, we may get FES's dream of Fife at 13.
Either way there is going to be a lot of water brought onto the pitch if one of them goes off.
Either way there is going to be a lot of water brought onto the pitch if one of them goes off.
EWT Spoons- Posts : 3799
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Re: 6N Round 4: The Calcutta Cup clash
Dunbar is a massive loss, but Russell-Scott-Bennett is probably the most creative midfield we have had since 1999.
Throw in Sam H-C in there and it will be really exciting!
Throw in Sam H-C in there and it will be really exciting!
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Someone turn off the lights. This is not going to be pretty. I wasn't confident beforehand but this has 30 deficit written all over it.
Heuer27- Posts : 464
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Re: 6N Round 4: The Calcutta Cup clash
You never know. Could be another slow and horrendous start from us giving you an early lead followed by 60 minutes of cringe worthy mistakes
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Re: 6N Round 4: The Calcutta Cup clash
Dunbar has been our best breakdown specialist so far now he's gone Cowan is going to have to do it himself. Hamilton is going to get run ragged by that english pack. We are playing into their hands with this team line up. Can't believe I'm going to have to sit in the stands and witness another disaster.
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Weather forecast is currently just for light cloud 7C or thereabouts.
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Looking for a big game from Denton, his handling is a bit suspect at times and against England it would be a disaster to throw a wild pass. Beattie may not have lot the heather on fire but he has been solid for most of the tournament.
I suspect the inclusion if two back rows is because the pack are going to be working very hard and subs will be needed in final quarter of the game.
Expecting to see a fast and open game from Scotland.
I suspect the inclusion if two back rows is because the pack are going to be working very hard and subs will be needed in final quarter of the game.
Expecting to see a fast and open game from Scotland.
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Re: 6N Round 4: The Calcutta Cup clash
With Laidlaw at 9? Don't think so.
sensisball- Posts : 964
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Re: 6N Round 4: The Calcutta Cup clash
With the sort of game-plan we'll be seeing implemented by Cotter on the weekend, I don't think losing your best player is going to be such an issue. I'm almost surprised not to see Phil Godman back at 10. A 6/2 split on the bench and the likes of Hamilton back in mean only one thing.
From our perspective i'm glad we've got Lawes back in at 5. Kruis has done nothing wrong and looked involved in most games but Lawes and Attwood were a very strong pairing in the AIs and hopefully the line-out will be back to 98%+ again.
Having Parling on the bench is about leadership roles I suppose, ditto Tom Wood but i'd have kept Easter there. If BV goes down early I don't want to see Wood at 8 again. Or Lawes at 6 for that matter.
From our perspective i'm glad we've got Lawes back in at 5. Kruis has done nothing wrong and looked involved in most games but Lawes and Attwood were a very strong pairing in the AIs and hopefully the line-out will be back to 98%+ again.
Having Parling on the bench is about leadership roles I suppose, ditto Tom Wood but i'd have kept Easter there. If BV goes down early I don't want to see Wood at 8 again. Or Lawes at 6 for that matter.
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Re: 6N Round 4: The Calcutta Cup clash
" A 6/2 split on the bench and the likes of Hamilton back in mean only one thing. "
Correct. We are going to try and take England on up front playing right into their hands. Double, triple, face palm.
Correct. We are going to try and take England on up front playing right into their hands. Double, triple, face palm.
Heuer27- Posts : 464
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Re: 6N Round 4: The Calcutta Cup clash
The English pack are going to find out what it's like to be savaged by a sheep.
That'll teach them!!
That'll teach them!!
Heuer27- Posts : 464
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Re: 6N Round 4: The Calcutta Cup clash
This is looking like a complete and utter disaster - i fully expect us to be humped by 40 points in this game - unles wee can make it into a complete and utter boring slug fest that bores the pants of people
This 6 nations can not be over fast enough
This 6 nations can not be over fast enough
R!skysports- Posts : 3667
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Re: 6N Round 4: The Calcutta Cup clash
Please make it boring. 'Pragmatism' should be ringing in Cotter's ears
SecretFly- Posts : 31800
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Re: 6N Round 4: The Calcutta Cup clash
Glasgow just announced on their Twitter feed that Dunbar will be out for 6-9 months with an ACL rupture.
Disaster.
Disaster.
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Re: 6N Round 4: The Calcutta Cup clash
How did he do that in a captain's run??
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Sums up my feelings https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2n14t7ybrDM
Re: 6N Round 4: The Calcutta Cup clash
That is an absolute disaster for both Scotland and Glasgow. Best wishes to him for a speedy recovery and hopefully he'll be back playing in 6 months rather than 9 months time.
From a Scotland perspective, this is a huge blow to our WC plans. Realistically we would have hoped to have Dunbar/Bennett as a partnership or Scott/Dunbar. We don't have great depth at centre beyond Scott, Dunbar and Bennett. From a Glasgow perspective, I'm not entirely sure they could have sustained a bigger blow than losing Dunbar for the rest of the season
From a Scotland perspective, this is a huge blow to our WC plans. Realistically we would have hoped to have Dunbar/Bennett as a partnership or Scott/Dunbar. We don't have great depth at centre beyond Scott, Dunbar and Bennett. From a Glasgow perspective, I'm not entirely sure they could have sustained a bigger blow than losing Dunbar for the rest of the season
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