The Indian Wells Masters 1000 Thread

[temporary21]

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Figured that masters 1000 events deserve their own threads and as such here is your place for all things Indian Wells.

[Belovedluckyboy]

You see, we're only speculating here, is it truly approval or encouragement? No one knows except Rafa himself. Unless you can get an answer from the man himself, whatever I decide, does it matter?? You're arguing for the sake of arguing, just wanting to prove that what that article wrote about is/was right. And why did I say ' encouragement and approval'? Because I do believe Toni and Rafa do work out some game plans, and so when out there executing that game plan, Rafa needs some approval or encouragement. Players do look up to their player box(es) sometimes for encouragement, sometimes even for some coaching when they're not sure of themselves, this is not uncommon. So far, only Fed among the top players, doesn't look to his player box and I admire him for that. While I hope that Rafa could one day be like Fed, ie not even needs to look up to his player box, I do understand that many players out there needs some encouragement, or assurances, and Rafa is no different.

[temporary21]

Keep it up Shrinks, talking about Rafa like you lot grew with him.

Sad.

No its not me that is sad Jahu its you. Every player is  the subject of a huge joke for you.  I dont know him personally but I know a great deal about him and other players as it happens because I want to know the man as well as the tennis player. There are REAL PEOPLE behind those racquets. Yes I have followed Rafa's career and what makes him tick since his beginnings and I do know more than most about the Spanish way of life.They are  all human beings ...ALL of them. Not Robots and an objects of ridicule.

Its is sad HN.

Who cares for the personal life and the childhood of the players?

No, you do not know what makes Rafa tick or how UT treated him when he was child, thats just you throwing random imaginations into Rafas life, all in the name of you knowing his life so well and impressing us with your "insider" information.

Don't be such a compulsive obsessive fan, especially on a weekend here, boring us with deep private stuff of a person you know nothing and that apart from you, no one cares or can confirm your comments.

blla blla blla

It might be better to just ignore stuff you find boring. at the end of the day, useless as it may seem, its just two people chatting over how a big player ticks, theres nothing bad here.

[It Must Be Love]

Haddie, very interesting article, thanks for the link. I was not surprised by what I read, Nadal is one of the most intense competitors sport has ever seen and it will be complex to work out what goes on in his mind.
BLB, I do think you make some valid points too, I think Nadal is a mix of a lot of confidence, vulnerability, and a ridiculous desire and hunger to win every single point. It's the mix of these 3 emotions, which sometimes seems contradictory, which makes him what he is.

Jahu, your posts are neither funny nor are they contributing anything, if you don't like the topic being discussed that's fine by me, but stop constantly complaining about others discussing it.

[bogbrush]

Fear of failure is a supreme motivating force. It drives me in business as hard as other motivations. Not sure I'd call it psychosis though, all motivation is, by definition, a desperate urge to be in a different state.

It is not the only motivating force. Creativity is a much larger driver. Exhilaration in a sporting activity is its own reward. Edison found 10,000 ways to fail, before the light bulb came on. If such a fear was the only driver, we would all be crawling towards Mt. Everest or trying to win a Grand Slam/MS1000s otherwise 99.99% of us are failures. Knowing one's limitations is not failure, it is wisdom, borne out of experience.

I guess that's why I said "a" supreme motivating force.

That said, fear of failure is great. You can decide you've got enough but can never tire of avoiding failure because it's always there, chasing you down. I've strived for decades to get to a stage where I wouldn't fear losing and the milestones I set were passed a long time ago, only to find the motivation never fades, making satisfaction is an illusion.
Creativity is a behaviour, not a motivation. You can't be creative unless you're already possessed of a desperate need to be somewhere you're not right now.

[temporary21]

You see, we're only speculating here, is it truly approval or encouragement? No one knows except Rafa himself.  Unless you can get an answer from the man himself, whatever I decide, does it matter??  You're arguing for the sake of arguing, just wanting to prove that what that article wrote about is/was right.  And why did I say ' encouragement and approval'?  Because I do believe Toni and Rafa do work out some game plans, and so when out there executing that game plan, Rafa needs some approval or encouragement. Players do look up to their player box(es) sometimes for encouragement, sometimes even for some coaching when they're not sure of themselves, this is not uncommon.  So far, only Fed among the top players, doesn't look to his player box and I admire him for that.  While I hope that Rafa could one day be like Fed, ie not even needs to look up to his player box, I do understand that many players out there needs some encouragement, or assurances, and Rafa is no different.  

Why not both? Getting approval probably encourages him to push harder.
Im not sure I'd admire people more for not looking at their box. Its a personality thing really, some people are a lot more introverted and rather keep to themselves, others are more outward and look for something to bounce off. I dont personally think one guy is better than the other, just different.

[bogbrush]

I don't think Nadal looks to the box for inspiration. A bit of coaching maybe, but he's self-sufficient for the other.

I disagree, looking to others for motivation is a sign of weakness. No problem looking for advice, or reassurance but not for motivation. Murray should take a leaf and forget the box exists.

[temporary21]

I don't think Nadal looks to the box for inspiration. A bit of coaching maybe, but he's self-sufficient for the other.

I disagree, looking to others for motivation is a sign of weakness.

What about say, people who are in the army? They look to one another for strength, I wouldn't personally say thats a weakness.
What about Roger? Im sure hes motivated to play well for his kids, and his wife and family too? Thats not weakness surely?
Its a bit of a bleak outlook, that you can only be strong if you do everything yourself without any reliance on others. What that might show is that Federer plays a bit more for himself, and Nadal more for others, hence why the focus for motivation is different. Difference isn't weakness to me though

[bogbrush]

I didn't say anything about depending on team members for practical help, or what you fight for.

My point is that the drive can only come from oneself.

[Jahu]

It might be better to just ignore stuff you find boring. at the end of the day, useless as it may seem, its just two people chatting over how a big player ticks, theres nothing bad here.

It's one person telling us how Rafa's childhood might of been, on a Masters 1000 thread, on the day when the No1 & No2 will play a huge match, where Rafa is not even on the picture, and I have to come here and read about Rafas life imagination from his fan.

You should of not allowed that link about Rafa to be posted on a Master thread, and taking the bait from HN to totally derail this thread, just because Rafa is not anymore on IW, which she succeeded.

Complete monopolization of a Masters thread.

I know you agree, just that as a mod now, you have to sugar coat and balance stuff here

GO FED GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!

[Haddie-nuff]

[Gerry SA]

Personally don't think Djokovic is playing that well this season. Yes he won Australian Open, but he's no way near the level required to win the French Open. Let's be honest if Murray wasn't a giver upper, he'd have won the Australian. Federer beat Djoko in the 500 as well.

[temporary21]

As a mod I am perfectly happy to go off topic for a bit in the hours before a match starts, particularly since noone was posting anything beforehand anyway. What Haddie posted is harmless, and its got people talking before the final, Ill ask to get back on topic once the match goes live.

Im not sure what you would have me do? Delete and ban discussion because you find it boring? You now we cant do that.

If somethings too off topic, then flag it for a report, then all the mods can have a look, dont derail the derailment, that doesnt counter anything.

[bogbrush]

It's tough to say because mostly we gauge them from their results against each other. Its a zero sum game in the end (just like using numbers of Slams to discuss era strength!).

[temporary21]

Federers currently got a white hot serving arm. His tactic against Novak is a simple one. Use the serve to keep Novaks return at bay, and then just go for it on the return games. With his serve now, he only needs one good return game a set, which is what he got in Dubai.

His serve is the key to his success today, if it falters he could be in real trouble.

[Haddie-nuff]

It might be better to just ignore stuff you find boring. at the end of the day, useless as it may seem, its just two people chatting over how a big player ticks, theres nothing bad here.

It's one person telling us how Rafa's childhood might of been, on a Masters 1000 thread, on the day when the No1 & No2 will play a huge match, where Rafa is not even on the picture, and I have to come here and read about Rafas life imagination from his fan.

You should of not allowed that link about Rafa to be posted on a Master thread, and taking the bait from HN to totally derail this thread, just because Rafa is not anymore on IW, which she succeeded.

Complete monopolization of a Masters thread.

I know you agree, just that as a mod now, you have to sugar coat and balance stuff here





GO FED GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!

[Jahu]

Tempo, next time articles about personal life of a player do not belong on a Masters thread, do you agree?

So their own thread, and who likes to salivate over their fav players childhood, can go there, is it fair enough?

Thats all, and HN has scored a win to keep us all out from a non Nadal Final.

Thx.

[Haddie-nuff]

Federers currently got a white hot serving arm. His tactic against Novak is a simple one. Use the serve to keep Novaks return at bay, and then just go for it on the return games. With his serve now, he only needs one good return game a set, which is what he got in Dubai.

His serve is the key to his success today, if it falters he could be in real trouble.

They both appear to be relishing the prospect of a renewed rivalry if Im allowed to believe what I read

[Haddie-nuff]

Tempo, next time articles about personal life of a player do not belong on a Masters thread, do you agree?

So their own thread, and who likes to salivate over their fav players childhood, can go there, is it fair enough?

Thats all, and HN has scored a win to keep us all out from a non Nadal Final.

Thx.

[Jahu]

HN, you been busted with your intention of derailing this thread and pushing down our throat the Nadal private life, on the day of the Final.

tempo has taken your cynical bait, same as Andy took Djokos sick situation at AO

[temporary21]

Jahu, Ive been advised by the other two mods here to deal with things more officially. Ergo if you arent willing to flag it, and give reasons, soo all the mods can see it, im not going to do anything with it any longer.
You are welcome of course, to become a mod yourself if you think were not strict enough on off topic material during downtime, or ask Lf. At the mo its keeping people involved in the thread and its harmless, so Im fine with it.

[It Must Be Love]

Jahu, can you stop spamming the thread please ? Thanks. If you want to contribute to the discussion, then do.

Fear of failure is a supreme motivating force. It drives me in business as hard as other motivations. Not sure I'd call it psychosis though, all motivation is, by definition, a desperate urge to be in a different state.

It is not the only motivating force. Creativity is a much larger driver. Exhilaration in a sporting activity is its own reward. Edison found 10,000 ways to fail, before the light bulb came on. If such a fear was the only driver, we would all be crawling towards Mt. Everest or trying to win a Grand Slam/MS1000s otherwise 99.99% of us are failures. Knowing one's limitations is not failure, it is wisdom, borne out of experience.

I guess that's why I said "a" supreme motivating force.

That said, fear of failure is great. You can decide you've got enough but can never tire of avoiding failure because it's always there, chasing you down. I've strived for decades to get to a stage where I wouldn't fear losing and the milestones I set were passed a long time ago, only to find the motivation never fades, making satisfaction is an illusion.
Creativity is a behaviour, not a motivation. You can't be creative unless you're already possessed of a desperate need to be somewhere you're not right now.

Very good point. The fear of failure and vulnerability can actually be one of a player's biggest strengths.

[Jahu]

tempo, keep it up, just control HN, since Nadal has lost, she has made this a Nadal thread

[Jahu]

IMBL, I am not contributing the Nadal fantasy & imagination stuff about his life.

Thought I don't spam, I do like a enjoy some nice flaming.

Now you are a Nadal fan, you should not call others to contribute to Nadal fantasies.

[Haddie-nuff]

tempo, keep it up, just control HN, since Nadal has lost, she has made this a Nadal thread  

I think you are doing a good job of derailing this thread yourself.. continue with your personal jibes Jahu .. it says more about you than me

[Jahu]

HN, at least it does not say anything about players you don't know.

[temporary21]

You do realise Jahu that in constantly bringing up the derailing, you are yourself derailing the thread doubly so? Lets get back to talking about tennis.

[Jahu]

Oh so can we have a new thread about the Final? This has turned into a fantasy and flaming

[Jahu]

tempo, sure I know, thats why we need a Final thread

I'm fair, mostly

[laverfan]

I am on a mobile. My suggestion is to move the Nadal non-IW parts to a separate thread, if everyone contributing to this specific sidebar agrees. T2, what do you think?

[Haddie-nuff]

Ive moved on .. so if you think it necessary  do I have nothing further to add either way

[temporary21]

It looks like everyones finished with it and were closing in on match time. The thread will be defunct after the final so we might as well move on.

[Silver]

I'm off out for a meal so I'm going to miss it, but here's hoping for another good match.

Where's your money, everyone? Predictions! I'm going 6-4, 5-7, 6-3 to Novak

[Guest]

I am going for Federer in two. Just a feeling I have.

[temporary21]

I have a feeling on Novak, Mostly I think because the surface will stunt Feds serve just enough.

[Haddie-nuff]

Novak I think but I think it will be a long match.. it will go all the way

[Jahu]

If Fed takes first set, this time he will win in 2 sets.

If he loses first set, I don't think he can come back.

Let's go Roger let's go

[laverfan]

to both gladiators.

[temporary21]

Jankovic-Halep holding this final up

[temporary21]

I want to see Novak go on the aggressive in this final, hes been to content to sit back on Roger lately, and its been giving Roger the openings he wants.

[Jahu]

Anabelle has some serious fetish heels, ummm

[HM Murdock]

I thought I'd missed the start but it's not even underway yet!

I agree with temp21 about Federer's serve being the key shot. Roger produced a serving masterclass in Dubai and I think that was the key factor in that match.

Tougher for him to do that on this surface but he will still cause Novak problems if it is firing properly.

My expectation is that, as ever in this match up, Federer will start the better and Novak will have to hang in there in the early stages.

Beyond that... not sure.

[Jahu]

Jankovic getting coaching publicly on TV?

[temporary21]

Halep takes it, in come the men!

[Henman Bill]

Any update please, i.e. are the women still on court waiting for trophy presentation, or are the men already out there warming up?

[HM Murdock]

Jahu, I know I said I'll be watching this match but I reserve the right to go to bed if it goes long!

Fancy having a tennis match in US western time zone on a night before work...!

[Jahu]

Jahu, I know I said I'll be watching this match but I reserve the right to go to bed if it goes long!

Fancy having a tennis match in US western time zone on a night before work...!

Hahahah, thx for your notification, but don't worry Fed will take it in quick 2 sets

But work is more important

[Jahu]

Any update please, i.e. are the women still on court waiting for trophy presentation, or are the men already out there warming up?

HB, Halep just having her speech, so another 20-30 min till boys on court maybe.

[Jahu]

Sock/Pospi have taken doubles

[HM Murdock]

But work is more important  

It's not.

But, with young children, sleep is!

[Jahu]

But work is more important  

It's not.

But, with young children, sleep is!

Agree, but young children need food, and you need rest & sleep to go work for it

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