The Indian Wells Masters 1000 Thread

[temporary21]

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Figured that masters 1000 events deserve their own threads and as such here is your place for all things Indian Wells.

[bogbrush]

Oh for sure it would be more competitive, but the court doesnt make roger miss a load of first serves, or return poorly. Novak isnt overhitting, in fact hes striking it very aggressively. Roger needs to look at how Novaks doing it, he cant always hope for a zippy court.

He doesn't need to, he knows the long rallies are in his favour. It's Federer who has to press. On a very fast court it's he who has the advantage that the ball will hurry Djokovic.

Federer is serving 56%, not great but not abysmal. The problem is the 2nd serve gets him nowhere because it's a rally.

[Jahu]

Djoko getting aces on this slow mud pit, shows he has improved so much on the serve.

[summerblues]

Very hard to see what Roger could do here.

[temporary21]

But these are all excuses though surely. If Novak isnt mis-hitting Federer shouldnt be either, and if he pressing then he has to reign his shot back and put some control on it.
All the counter punching advantages Novak has here are available to Roger, he just isnt as good at it as Novak.

[Guest]

Novak was 17/17 on first serves in the 1st set. That's superlative serving!

[HM Murdock]

I think it's the bounce rather than the speed that tilts this toward Novak. Everything comes nicely into his strike zone.

Federer clearly not at his best though. So many forehand errors.

[bogbrush]

But these are all excuses though surely. If Novak isnt mis-hitting Federer shouldnt be either, and if he pressing then he has to reign his shot back and put some control on it.
All the counter punching advantages Novak has here are available to Roger, he just isnt as good at it as Novak.

Right, so you think Roger can retrieve / rally from the back as well as Novak? Seriously?

[temporary21]

Hes just not countering Novaks power the way Novak does to his... double fault too...

[Jahu]

Djoko just dropping balls into court.

Fed should do some baselining now and cool down the attack.

[summerblues]

Roger hanging in.

[temporary21]

But these are all excuses though surely. If Novak isnt mis-hitting Federer shouldnt be either, and if he pressing then he has to reign his shot back and put some control on it.
All the counter punching advantages Novak has here are available to Roger, he just isnt as good at it as Novak.

Right, so you think Roger can retrieve / rally from the back as well as Novak? Seriously?

No of course he cant, hence why Novaks beating him. Rogers just gonna have to play better, frankly Novaks serving, attacking and defending way better in this match than Roger, you cant pin that on the surface, thats Rogers fault.

[bogbrush]

I think it's the bounce rather than the speed that tilts this toward Novak. Everything comes nicely into his strike zone.

Federer clearly not at his best though. So many forehand errors.

I think to be fair he's having to press more than he'd like, because Novak will get virtually everything back. Fed won't, he knows it, so he has to go for it. I don't think Federer is inherently playing badly (this is actually a match unlike the 1st semi), he's just pushing.

This isn't detracting from Djokovic play, which is easily better than anyone on the tour right now.

[biugo]

But these are all excuses though surely. If Novak isnt mis-hitting Federer shouldnt be either, and if he pressing then he has to reign his shot back and put some control on it.
All the counter punching advantages Novak has here are available to Roger, he just isnt as good at it as Novak.

Right, so you think Roger can retrieve / rally from the back as well as Novak? Seriously?

I agree with bogbrush. Plus knowing the slow conditions, Fed knows he needs to try a bit harder, hence more shanking. It`s not an excuse though - same court for both and may the better win! It just happens that fast courts favour Fed`s game and slow courts Djoko's, comparatively

[Guest]

But these are all excuses though surely. If Novak isnt mis-hitting Federer shouldnt be either, and if he pressing then he has to reign his shot back and put some control on it.
All the counter punching advantages Novak has here are available to Roger, he just isnt as good at it as Novak.

It's not a case the conds are causing Roger to misfire. It's the fact that some shots on a faster court will have the purchase on them that would largely negate endless hours of rallying.

Take nothing away from Novaks performance today. His game on this court will just eat up an aggressors game all day.

[temporary21]

On the same coin, look back at Wimby 12. You cant pin the indoor conditions as the reason Novak lost. Tough, use the conditions and attack more.

[temporary21]

But these are all excuses though surely. If Novak isnt mis-hitting Federer shouldnt be either, and if he pressing then he has to reign his shot back and put some control on it.
All the counter punching advantages Novak has here are available to Roger, he just isnt as good at it as Novak.

It's not a case the conds are causing Roger to misfire. It's the fact that some shots on a faster court will have the purchase on them that would largely negate endless hours of rallying.

Take nothing away from Novaks performance today. His game on this court will just eat up an aggressors game all day.

Overall maybe, but not this match. The rallies arent that long, and Rogers losing most of the shorter ones anyway.

[Haddie-nuff]

What an incredible rally

[temporary21]

Anyway, my main problem with the surface talk is the fact they arent playing on different courts to one another, they both get the same conditions, and its up to them to manage it.

[temporary21]

Last chance saloon

[bogbrush]

Oh blimey temp, THE RALLIES ARENT LONG BECAUSE FEDERER HAS TO PUSH.

[bogbrush]

Anyway, my main problem with the surface talk is the fact they arent playing on different courts to one another, they both get the same conditions, and its up to them to manage it.

That leaves me confused as to why Sampras won 7 Wimbledons and no French. I mean, the conditions were always the same for both players, right?

[Jahu]

Come onnnnnnnn now or never in this match.

[Haddie-nuff]

Anyway, my main problem with the surface talk is the fact they arent playing on different courts to one another, they both get the same conditions, and its up to them to manage it.

[temporary21]

Well thats tough, if you can only win with short rallies, then maybe you dont deserve to win, not "its not fair the court doesnt favour me".

[Jahu]

Yes yes yesssss bring FIRE ONNNNN

[Jahu]

Maybe a toilet one!

Oh you you!!!!

[temporary21]

Anyway, my main problem with the surface talk is the fact they arent playing on different courts to one another, they both get the same conditions, and its up to them to manage it.

That leaves me confused as to why Sampras won 7 Wimbledons and no French. I mean, the conditions were always the same for both players, right?

In a single match, theyre playing on the same single court. At that point in time, they have the same conditions.
But hey look at that! A match is back on!

[HM Murdock]

That was coming. Good play from Roger.

[Jahu]

Thats it, Fed into Magic mode, go baby goooo

[Guest]

Maybe a toilet one!

Oh you you!!!!

See my jinxes supercede IMBL's and HM's!

[Jahu]

hahahaahah, welcome jinx

[temporary21]

Good morning Roger! Youve had the paper and your tea and woken the cheese up I see!

[Jahu]

Break him NOW and start serving on third set.

[Jahu]

Fed got my message, cool it down from the baseline a little, Djoko will fold.

[bogbrush]

Fed got my message, cool it down from the baseline a little, Djoko will fold.

No, he won't. Federer has to attack.

[temporary21]

Indeed, a little patience, move the ball about, look to tie your opponent up, and its 50-50 al of a sudden

[Jahu]

Fed got my message, cool it down from the baseline a little, Djoko will fold.

No, he won't. Federer has to attack.

But not every shot, once he smoothes out his BH and make it gentler, it gets better,

[Jahu]

Nice serve cheat from DJoko.

[Haddie-nuff]

Dummy you mean

[temporary21]

Feds an excellent slow court player, he cant just go on the kamikaze just because his opponents better at that facet, the time calls for patience.

Great hold though, Novak put himself back together.

[Jahu]

Dummy you mean

Can;t be dummy, when it was so smart.

[temporary21]

Serve cheat, I didnt see it?

[HM Murdock]

Federer holding serve much easier than Novak at the moment.

[Jahu]

Serve cheat, I didnt see it?

..as in it got Fed all the way on the wrong side.

[Jahu]

Come on Fed, 1 more break, don't risk the TB.

[HM Murdock]

Dear Novak,

I have work tomorrow.

Please hold serve and win the tie break.

Thanks,
Murdoch

[Jahu]

nighty HMM.

[Haddie-nuff]

Dear Novak,

I have work tomorrow.

Please hold serve and win the tie break.

Thanks,
Murdoch

awwwww

[temporary21]

Wow, Fh winers/unforced for Roger 5/16, hed better serve well in this tb

[HM Murdock]

nighty HMM.

I'm watching to the end of the TB...

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