Scarlets v Edinburgh, 28 March

by **RDW** Tue Mar 24, 2015 8:57 am

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Scarlets v Edinburgh Rugby
Saturday 28th March 2015
KO 14:40
Parc y Scarlets

Live on Sky Sports 1

Referee: John Lacey (IRFU, 43rd competition game)
Assistant Referees: Chris Williams, Martyn Lewis (both WRU)
Citing Commissioner: Ray Wilton (WRU)
TMO: Derek Bevan (WRU)

Head to head

23 Played 23
11 Wins 11
1 Draws 1
59 Tries 42
477 Points 461
25 Av. age 25

League position

P/W/D/L/Points

Connacht 17 9 1 7 43
Scarlets 17 7 3 7 40
Edinburgh 17 8 1 8 39

Teams

Scarlets
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15 Jordan Williams
14 Harry Robinson
13 Regan King
12 Scott Williams
11 Hadleigh Parkes
10 Steven Shingler
09 Aled Davies

01 Rob Evans
02 Ken Owens (c)
03 Peter Edwards
04 Jake Ball
05 George Earle
06 Lewis Rawlins
07 James Davies
08 John Barclay

16 Emyr Phillips
17 Phil John
18 Jacobie Adriaanse
19 Jack Payne
20 Rory Pitman
21 Gareth Davies
22 Rhys Priestland
23 Michael Tagicakibau

Edinburgh
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01 Rory Sutherland
02 Stuart MacInally
03 WP Nel
04 Anton Bresler
05 Ben Toolis
06 Mike Coman (c)
07 Hamish Watson
08 David Denton

09 Sam Hidalgo-Clyne
10 Greig Tonks
11 Tim Visser
12 Andries Strauss
13 Phil Burleigh
14 Tom Brown
15 Jack Cuthbert

16 Neil Cochrane
17 Grant Shiells
18 John Andress
19 Fraser McKenzie
20 Roddy Grant
21 Nathan Fowles
22 Tom Heathcote
23 Sam Beard

Blurb

Must win game for both teams here. Connacht are away to Munster so there is a real chance to even things up in the league. Edinburgh could have been leading the race by this stage but some inconsistent performances have left them playing catch up. Scarlets have been playing well, with a recent win over Leinster.

A win for Edinburgh and we're right back in it, a loss and it we really will be struggling.

Player wise Edinburgh should have pretty much all the Scotland Internationals available, but need to balance the squad due to the impending Challenge Cup knock-out rounds meaning we don't have a week's rest after this game like a lot of teams will have.

I think we'll see all of the Scotland players back bar Dickinson and Ford. Sutherland and Cochrane/McInally have played well in their absence so that shouldn't affect us too much.

by Scottish White Line Fever Sat Mar 28, 2015 3:08 pm

Edinburgh probably have a yellow card coming unless we can rectify our discipline quickly.

by **BigGee** Sat Mar 28, 2015 3:08 pm

RDW_Scotland wrote:At a family doo so not able to watch this - Twitter says 5 pens against us in 18 minutes?

Need to tidy that up or someone will be heading for the bin shortly

by GLove39 Sat Mar 28, 2015 3:09 pm

BigGee wrote:
RDW_Scotland wrote:At a family doo so not able to watch this - Twitter says 5 pens against us in 18 minutes?

Need to tidy that up or someone will be heading for the bin shortly

No worries, if the Cuthbert incident is anything to go by the ref's lost his cards.

by **BigGee** Sat Mar 28, 2015 3:10 pm

And Tonks goes to the bin

by Scottish White Line Fever Sat Mar 28, 2015 3:11 pm

Scarlets are making ground with every possession, especially through the midfield... Doh

by cakeordeath Sat Mar 28, 2015 3:17 pm

How much better is SHC than Laidlaw

by **BigGee** Sat Mar 28, 2015 3:18 pm

Edinburgh got to score here

by Scottish White Line Fever Sat Mar 28, 2015 3:19 pm

Barclay in the bin

by **BigGee** Sat Mar 28, 2015 3:20 pm

John Barclay goes to the bin!

by Scottish White Line Fever Sat Mar 28, 2015 3:21 pm

Have to say, we've dealt with Tonks' yellow pretty well. Certainly better than we would have done 6-12 months ago.

by Scottish White Line Fever Sat Mar 28, 2015 3:22 pm

cakeordeath wrote:How much better is SHC than Laidlaw

Brave comment to make - but he's the most complete Scottish scrum half available.

by cakeordeath Sat Mar 28, 2015 3:25 pm

Scottish White Line Fever wrote:
cakeordeath wrote:How much better is SHC than Laidlaw

Brave comment to make - but he's the most complete Scottish scrum half available.

Better kicker
Faster service
Bosses the forwards better
Not afraid to get his hands dirty
More vocal

by Scottish White Line Fever Sat Mar 28, 2015 3:27 pm

cakeordeath wrote:
Scottish White Line Fever wrote:
cakeordeath wrote:How much better is SHC than Laidlaw

Brave comment to make - but he's the most complete Scottish scrum half available.

Better kicker
Faster service
Bosses the forwards better
Not afraid to get his hands dirty
More vocal

Couldn't agree more - by the way, when I said 'he' in my previous comment, I was meaning SHC. I just realised that might not have been clear! Great work by Edinburgh to get that try

by **BigGee** Sat Mar 28, 2015 3:27 pm

Really good set of play from Edinburgh, they have come back into this game now, all to play for.

SHC and Denton are playing very well.

by Scottish White Line Fever Sat Mar 28, 2015 3:28 pm

It's an innocuous thing, but SHC's pass to Denton for his try shows what he can bring - Laidlaw would have pondered over that and pointed at the defence before passing it.

by cakeordeath Sat Mar 28, 2015 3:28 pm

Scottish White Line Fever wrote:
cakeordeath wrote:
Scottish White Line Fever wrote:
cakeordeath wrote:How much better is SHC than Laidlaw

Brave comment to make - but he's the most complete Scottish scrum half available.

Better kicker
Faster service
Bosses the forwards better
Not afraid to get his hands dirty
More vocal

Couldn't agree more - by the way, when I said 'he' in my previous comment, I was meaning SHC. I just realised that might not have been clear! Great work by Edinburgh to get that try

by TheMildlyFranticLlama Sat Mar 28, 2015 3:32 pm

cakeordeath wrote:
Scottish White Line Fever wrote:
cakeordeath wrote:How much better is SHC than Laidlaw

Brave comment to make - but he's the most complete Scottish scrum half available.

Better kicker
Faster service
Bosses the forwards better
Not afraid to get his hands dirty
More vocal

Honestly I think the only person at this point who hasn't realised this is Big Vern. The way SHC marshals his forwards is very impressive for such a young man, he's certainly got confidence!

by **BigGee** Sat Mar 28, 2015 3:38 pm

Maybe we will see a lot more of him in the pre world cup matches, surely he will get a couple of starts in those games.

It is easy to forget just how inexperienced he is, but he is improving all the time and if he keeps making his case like this, he will leapfrog Laidlaw sooner rather than later.

by TheMildlyFranticLlama Sat Mar 28, 2015 3:41 pm

Someone has taught Strauss how to offload Shocked

by **BigGee** Sat Mar 28, 2015 4:06 pm

Scarlets SH, what an idiot!

by Scottish White Line Fever Sat Mar 28, 2015 4:07 pm

That was such a stupid thing for Davies to do! But thankfully Strauss didn't retaliate.

by Scottish White Line Fever Sat Mar 28, 2015 4:08 pm

James Davies looks a hell of a player for the Scarlets.

by **RDW** Sat Mar 28, 2015 4:37 pm

What a hell of a win! Gutted I missed that!

Who were the standouts?

by TheMildlyFranticLlama Sat Mar 28, 2015 4:37 pm

Great result! Some very strong performances from Edinburgh there. Good to see there isn't a 6 nations hangover in Edinburgh.

by **BigGee** Sat Mar 28, 2015 4:38 pm

What a fantastic result for Edinburgh, took their home record and did not even give them a bonus point. The race for the last place in Europe is suddenly wide open and Edinburgh look like a team in form

by TheMildlyFranticLlama Sat Mar 28, 2015 4:39 pm

Denton had a very good game, SHC was MOTM and deservedly so I think, Watson was everywhere, although he was held up over the line twice. Burleigh looked strong, plenty others worth mentioning too

by cakeordeath Sat Mar 28, 2015 4:39 pm

Great result. Edinburgh still in the race for a top 6 finish. Denying the Scarlets a bonus point as well.

by Scottish White Line Fever Sat Mar 28, 2015 4:40 pm

RDW_Scotland wrote:

What a hell of a win! Gutted I missed that!

Who were the standouts?

Denton and SHC were class, SHC was given the MoM by Sky. Watson and Toolis were prominent, whilst Nel was fairly dominant at the scrum.

That's a great win for Edinburgh - 3 home games out of our 4 remaining fixtures so we're in a decent position.

by **BigGee** Sat Mar 28, 2015 4:41 pm

RDW_Scotland wrote:

What a hell of a win! Gutted I missed that!

Who were the standouts?

SHC MoM, played very well and did not miss a kick

The pack generally were good, but Denton a standout, but it was a very good performance across the park. Even Visser looked up for it!

by **RDW** Sat Mar 28, 2015 4:45 pm

And after all of the hype, Barclay?

by Scottish White Line Fever Sat Mar 28, 2015 4:47 pm

RDW_Scotland wrote:And after all of the hype, Barclay?

Other than his yellow card, he pulled off a few turnovers and was probably better than Watson at the breakdown, but Watson was more dynamic and prominent in the loose.

by **BigGee** Sat Mar 28, 2015 5:03 pm

RDW_Scotland wrote:And after all of the hype, Barclay?

Nothing I saw there to suggest he is the answer to all Scotland's problems. He played well enough, but interesting that as the season has gone on, the Scarlet's now view James Davies as the better option at 7. On today's performance you can see why. Barclay certainly was not the best No.8 on the pitch either, that was Denton by a mile.

Barclay is a good player still, no doubt about that, but he is not a game changer. Whether he is better than Cowan, or even Watson, who also played very well today, is debateable.

by **George Carlin** Sat Mar 28, 2015 5:26 pm

Huge result from the Larry Grayson enthusiasts - well done - very much looking forward to seeing the highlights of this.

by **RDW** Sat Mar 28, 2015 5:28 pm

Sky's highlights this season have been awful - barely get to see the tries!

by MrsP Sat Mar 28, 2015 5:29 pm

GLove39 wrote:
BigGee wrote:
RDW_Scotland wrote:At a family doo so not able to watch this - Twitter says 5 pens against us in 18 minutes?

Need to tidy that up or someone will be heading for the bin shortly

No worries, if the Cuthbert incident is anything to go by the ref's lost his cards.

My son once played in a game where the ref had lost his cards so the blatant trip on him went completely unpunished. Actually he did not even give a penalty so perhaps he had forgotten his specs too. They even had to decide who kicked off with a game of Rock-Paper-Scissors as he had no coins either!

by The Saint Sat Mar 28, 2015 6:09 pm

Didn't see the game but I'm surprised at Gareth Davies. Anyone got footage of that incident? And how long the sanction is with that? Pretty stupid, he was in a position to get the Welsh 9 jersey, and possibly the most complete scrum-half we have in Wales.

by **BigGee** Sat Mar 28, 2015 6:28 pm

The Saint wrote:Didn't see the game but I'm surprised at Gareth Davies. Anyone got footage of that incident? And how long the sanction is with that? Pretty stupid, he was in a position to get the Welsh 9 jersey, and possibly the most complete scrum-half we have in Wales.

4-6 weeks I reckon, deserves it for stupidity. Has he got any previous, he might get it down a bit if he has not and says sorry a lot!

by The Saint Sat Mar 28, 2015 6:32 pm

Nah I think he's been pretty clean up to now. I can't remember him ever having a ban.

by **BigGee** Sat Mar 28, 2015 6:45 pm

19-6 Munster now, looking like a good result for Edinburgh, but less so for Glasgow.

The fight for the last European place is going to be as tight and interesting as that for the playoffs. It is definitely keeping the league alive. Even the two Italian teams are scrapping down at the bottom for their spot and neither of them as likely to roll over as you might imagine!

by **George Carlin** Sat Mar 28, 2015 6:58 pm

BigGee wrote:19-6 Munster now, looking like a good result for Edinburgh, but less so for Glasgow.

The fight for the last European place is going to be as tight and interesting as that for the playoffs. It is definitely keeping the league alive. Even the two Italian teams are scrapping down at the bottom for their spot and neither of them as likely to roll over as you might imagine!

Yeah - TBP win for Munster tonight, but Glasgow are certainly in control of their destiny at the arse end of this season.

by Guest Sat Mar 28, 2015 7:10 pm

Scottish White Line Fever wrote:James Davies looks a hell of a player for the Scarlets.

He's Jonathan Davies' (JD2) brother I think. 'Cub' Davies to JD2's 'Foxy', nickname wise.

Yes he seems a very handy open side. Has played a bit on the 7s circuit too I think.

Just saw the Gareth Davies head butt on the news. Not quite a Zidane but a definite head but and red card. What a doofus. As Saint says, at the start of the season (or was it the end of last?) he was awesome and probably ahead of Webb in the Wales pecking order but injury struck. Came on v Italy last week, but this won't help him. Gats hates indiscipline on the pitch. Doh

by LeinsterFan4life Sat Mar 28, 2015 7:20 pm

This is a huge shock given how good the Scarlets have been recently. It's anybodys now for that final euro spot.

by **Notch** Sat Mar 28, 2015 7:22 pm

It was just a silly rush of blood to the head... but I think it was definitely on the low-end of the scale and while he may sit out a couple of games he'll be back on the pitch this season. Nakarawa got three weeks for a headbutt on the low end of the spectrum. I don't think it was nasty at all, just really stupid.

Edinburgh played well here I thought. Controlled the game very nicely. Will be surprised if Hidalgo-Clyne isn't in the 9 shirt for Scotland sooner rather than later.

by justified sinner Sat Mar 28, 2015 7:24 pm

Mom for me was between SHC and Rambo who had a storming game, if he keeps playing like that then we won't see Ford back.

by **RDW** Sat Mar 28, 2015 7:59 pm

Good to hear Rambo had a good game - the modern hooker role has changed so much and he seems to be growing into it.

How was his throwing?

Hopefully the game appears on YouTube!

by funnyExiledScot Sat Mar 28, 2015 8:36 pm

Great result. Recorded the game and will watch it later. Looking forward to it!

by **RDW** Sun Mar 29, 2015 5:46 pm

Saw this comment on the Pro 12 Facebook page - do they have a point or is it just sour grapes?

Not really impressed with Edinburgh, lived off Scarlets' mistakes and ill discipline. Another day and they would have been soundly beaten imo

by justified sinner Sun Mar 29, 2015 5:51 pm

Er no, that's either sour grapes or more likely one of the FOSRS gang who hang about there since they broke their own forum and hate pro rugby and any non SQ players and quite frankly have no idea which way is up.

by ScarletSpiderman Sun Mar 29, 2015 10:05 pm

Just seen the headbutt it looked more like he wanted to punch the Embra kad, but couldn't get his hands free so nutted him instead. Totally stupid, and if he plays again this season he can consider himself lucky.

by funnyExiledScot Sun Mar 29, 2015 10:15 pm

RDW_Scotland wrote:Saw this comment on the Pro 12 Facebook page - do they have a point or is it just sour grapes?

Not really impressed with Edinburgh, lived off Scarlets' mistakes and ill discipline. Another day and they would have been soundly beaten imo

Sour grapes. They were well beaten, although I felt very sorry for their 7 who I thought was outstanding.

Have seen the game now. Hard to pick out stars from an Edinburgh perspective as it was a real team effort. Burleigh was class in the backs and both Watson and Denton were particularly effective in the forwards. The Scarlets 7 was a real standout though.

One more point, the Burleigh try was a great score. Excellent work from Cuthbert to generate the offload from deep. Wonderful support and link from Watson then great teamwork and interchange between Burleigh and Visser.

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