George North due an extended holiday?
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George North due an extended holiday?
We often forget just how young North is as he has achieved so much. He should still have a long career ahead of him, but also a long life. Surely the latest concussion should mean he is due a really long break from the game and indeed all activity. I am really scared that if we are not careful we could see the young man fail to get up from one of these collisions, and Rugby will have its own "Phillip Hughes" incident.
Incident 1 v New Zealand
Incident 2 v England
Incident 3 v England
Incident 4 v Wasps
Incident 1 v New Zealand
Incident 2 v England
Incident 3 v England
Incident 4 v Wasps
LondonTiger- Moderator
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Re: George North due an extended holiday?
Well he's not playing this weekend and Dr BOD has said he shouldn't play again the calendar year.
Time will tell I guess.
Time will tell I guess.
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Re: George North due an extended holiday?
I'm not too sure about this calendar year, but to be honest for player safety I would understand if he were not to play again until post RWC.
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Sorry, this sporting calendar year.
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Re: George North due an extended holiday?
bedfordwelsh wrote:Sorry, this sporting calendar year.
Ah, I was thinking 8 months off was a bit long, but to be honest it may be for the best.
ScarletSpiderman- Posts : 9944
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Re: George North due an extended holiday?
Yes, give him the rest of the season off, and then a few weeks rest pre world cup, it did the world of good for Sexton.
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Re: George North due an extended holiday?
See what the specialist says and go with the expert advice
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Re: George North due an extended holiday?
On some of those pictures he looks like a boxer lying on the canvas after a ten count. How long do boxers have to take off after a fight ?
LordDowlais- Posts : 15419
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Re: George North due an extended holiday?
How long is it going to take before we can watch North playing without wincing every time he is involved in a collision?
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Re: George North due an extended holiday?
lostinwales wrote:How long is it going to take before we can watch North playing without wincing every time he is involved in a collision?
Although I do agree that George North seriously does need to work on his tackling, I think he has been unlucky for some of his collisions, it was not his fault for the one on Saturday, what was he supposed to do ? Or the one where he got kicked in the head against England, so I think it is wrong to put the blame on him.
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No 7&1/2 wrote:See what the specialist says and go with the expert advice
No contact for a few weeks I guess, and perhaps a recommendation on limiting the amount of games he plays per season.
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I wouldn't know Chunky, I've yet to become a leading Consultant in this field.
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LordDowlais wrote:lostinwales wrote:How long is it going to take before we can watch North playing without wincing every time he is involved in a collision?
Although I do agree that George North seriously does need to work on his tackling, I think he has been unlucky for some of his collisions, it was not his fault for the one on Saturday, what was he supposed to do ? Or the one where he got kicked in the head against England, so I think it is wrong to put the blame on him.
I am not putting any blame on him. He has been very unlucky. I don't want to see him (or any player) lying unconscious on the ground.
In rugby I like seeing people smashed, but it is vital that they can get up afterwards.
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Re: George North due an extended holiday?
4 weeks off, matches and training is what's recommended isn't it? Anyone know when Wales RWC training starts?
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Re: George North due an extended holiday?
He's been sent to see a speacialist Saint so it won't be a generic recommendation.
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No 7&1/2 wrote:He's been sent to see a speacialist Saint so it won't be a generic recommendation.
How do you mean "generic"?
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Not automatically following the standard protocol
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I agree. As I said I expect an immediate period of non contact and a recommendation of game limit per season if he wants to prolong his career. I suppose he would have to act on advice from Neurosurgeon or his insurance could come into play.
This could have consequences on his contract negotiations in a worst case scenario.
This could have consequences on his contract negotiations in a worst case scenario.
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The key thing is not to rush him back. I heard Jim Mallinder on Radio 5 yesterday and, reading between the lines, it looks like it may only be a one week recovery. I can't remember exactly what JM said but it did imply that he wasn't overly chuffed about North missing this week.
Interestingly, I read Mike Brown say that he came back after his concussion in the 6N, he didn't feel right in his first game back and had to take another game off. If he didn't feel right,why did the docs let him go back in the first place!!??
Interestingly, I read Mike Brown say that he came back after his concussion in the 6N, he didn't feel right in his first game back and had to take another game off. If he didn't feel right,why did the docs let him go back in the first place!!??
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InjuredYetAgain wrote: I can't remember exactly what JM said but it did imply that he wasn't overly chuffed about North missing this week.
I?
I have a feeling he'll be mightily unimpressed with the specialist's recommendations then.
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Re: George North due an extended holiday?
Tough t1tties is what I would say to JM.
I would hate to think that we are in danger of going "football" here with managers having too much say into who is fit enough to play etc
I would hate to think that we are in danger of going "football" here with managers having too much say into who is fit enough to play etc
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Re: George North due an extended holiday?
Think Brown felt alright for the game but had a reaction( headache)afterwards so stood down for next game. Tigers stood Parling down for IIRC 3 months at the beginning of the season after several Blows to the head.
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Re: George North due an extended holiday?
InjuredYetAgain wrote:The key thing is not to rush him back. I heard Jim Mallinder on Radio 5 yesterday and, reading between the lines, it looks like it may only be a one week recovery. I can't remember exactly what JM said but it did imply that he wasn't overly chuffed about North missing this week.
Interestingly, I read Mike Brown say that he came back after his concussion in the 6N, he didn't feel right in his first game back and had to take another game off. If he didn't feel right,why did the docs let him go back in the first place!!??
Yeah. I heard that about Brown. He didn't feel right in the French game.
The drive for these players to keep themselves in the frame and for coaches to play their best players is to be expected - but that is why it is so important to keep players and coaches away from making decisions. Brown had already indicated that all his concussion needed from him was honesty or a lie to perhaps put him in the frame for the game against Ireland.
He was honest and admitted he still wasn't right. But there you go - a lot of the protocols inevitably Do rely on the player's own opinion of how he feels. The pressures on coaches and players can tempt both to play down the symptoms.
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You are dead right, fly, in your last sentence but sadly you can't legislate for both player and coach trying to beat the system.SecretFly wrote:InjuredYetAgain wrote:The key thing is not to rush him back. I heard Jim Mallinder on Radio 5 yesterday and, reading between the lines, it looks like it may only be a one week recovery. I can't remember exactly what JM said but it did imply that he wasn't overly chuffed about North missing this week.
Interestingly, I read Mike Brown say that he came back after his concussion in the 6N, he didn't feel right in his first game back and had to take another game off. If he didn't feel right,why did the docs let him go back in the first place!!??
Yeah. I heard that about Brown. He didn't feel right in the French game.
The drive for these players to keep themselves in the frame and for coaches to play their best players is to be expected - but that is why it is so important to keep players and coaches away from making decisions. Brown had already indicated that all his concussion needed from him was honesty or a lie to perhaps put him in the frame for the game against Ireland.
He was honest and admitted he still wasn't right. But there you go - a lot of the protocols inevitably Do rely on the player's own opinion of how he feels. The pressures on coaches and players can tempt both to play down the symptoms.
I was just on the BBC website and saw this http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/rugby-union/32156390 - it is a slightly different take from what I thought Mike Brown had previosuly said but it adds up to the same. I had forgotten that Johnny Sexton was out for 3 months but was that not because of a broken jaw rather than concussion (although one may follow the other)?
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Re: George North due an extended holiday?
IYA it is not quite the same thing. He felt fine for the game, passed all tests BUT had a reaction AFTER the game(could have been nothing to do with concussion) so stood down for following match. We don't know what reaction there will be until after. Unless we are going to have a longer period until players are allowed to play.
broadlandboy- Posts : 1153
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Re: George North due an extended holiday?
End of April is when he should be ready.
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Re: George North due an extended holiday?
Well North will not play in April - or any onfield training.
Saints Website wrote:Northampton Saints has released a second medical update regarding George North.
North saw a neurologist on Wednesday (April 1st), who has advised that the winger take a month away from playing rugby before being re-assessed at the end of April.
North will continue to be monitored by the Saints' medical team in the intervening period. He will not participate in on-field training, but will continue to contribute in other areas and maintain his work with the club's performance department.
“We have listened to the advice we sought and George will be taking some time away from the field,” said director of rugby Jim Mallinder.
“Throughout this process it is important that George's welfare comes first and that he is treated patiently and calmly, only returning to action when all of the medical team are happy for him to do so.”
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I bet irrespective of the specialist recommendations he'll be magically fit enough to play for Wales at the RWC.
I hope he's given the proper time and support in order to achieve full fitness. Parling got that from Tigers and I'm glad Saints are looking to provide similar support.
I hope he's given the proper time and support in order to achieve full fitness. Parling got that from Tigers and I'm glad Saints are looking to provide similar support.
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Re: George North due an extended holiday?
North will be doing what we typically call low impact workouts. Nothing to get the HR or BP up for at least 3 - 4 weeks. Just enough to keep basic fitness levels but nothing more. And that is not supposed to start for another week or so. Good pragmatic treatment, it seems to me.LondonTiger wrote:Well North will not play in April - or any onfield training.Saints Website wrote:Northampton Saints has released a second medical update regarding George North.
North saw a neurologist on Wednesday (April 1st), who has advised that the winger take a month away from playing rugby before being re-assessed at the end of April.
North will continue to be monitored by the Saints' medical team in the intervening period. He will not participate in on-field training, but will continue to contribute in other areas and maintain his work with the club's performance department.
“We have listened to the advice we sought and George will be taking some time away from the field,” said director of rugby Jim Mallinder.
“Throughout this process it is important that George's welfare comes first and that he is treated patiently and calmly, only returning to action when all of the medical team are happy for him to do so.”
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Re: George North due an extended holiday?
Its good to see that they are using independent specialist as opposed to Club or Country associated ones as you always feel there may be pressure applied.
All ex players will know that you just want to play as soon as can and I have definitely returned to early from injuries (luckily not head related), I am sure North in himself feels fit enough and wants to play this weekend but as has been said that decision needs to be taken away from players sometimes.
All ex players will know that you just want to play as soon as can and I have definitely returned to early from injuries (luckily not head related), I am sure North in himself feels fit enough and wants to play this weekend but as has been said that decision needs to be taken away from players sometimes.
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