Referees named for the worldcup

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Planet Rugby wrote: The full list of referees with their union and number of tests in brackets is: Wayne Barnes (RFU, 57), George Clancy (IRFU, 38), JP Doyle (RFU, 12), Jérôme Garcès (FFR, 22), Pascal Gauzere (FFR, 17), Glen Jackson (NZR, 10), Craig Joubert (SARU, 55), John Lacey (IRFU, 13), Nigel Owens (WRU, 60), Jaco Peyper (SARU, 20), Romain Poite (FFR, 39) and Chris Pollock (NZR, 18).

In addition, the full list of assistant referees with their union and number of tests as AR in brackets is: Federico Anselmi (UAR, five), Stuart Berry (SARU, 15), Mike Fraser (NZR, 10), Angus Gardner (ARU, two), Leighton Hodges (WRU, 19), Marius Mitrea (FIR, 13), Mathieu Raynal (FFR, nine).

The television match officials for the six-week tournament are: George Ayoub (ARU, 33), Graham Hughes (RFU, 60) Ben Skeen (NZR, 11) and Shaun Veldsman (SARU, 50).

The selection was made after a comprehensive review of refereeing performances by the World Rugby Match Official Selection Committee.

I wonder why there I no Scots amongst that lot?

http://planetrugby.com/story/0,25883,3551_41841,00.html

Agree ebop, he was obviously intimidated by Cheika and that influenced the manner in which he officiated, hence the ruling that the coaching staff is not allowed to talk to referees until after the match.

I remember Peyper was escourted off the field in Sydney last week?

The mere fact that the SANZAR makes no differentiation between the warnings Cheika and Peyper recieved makes it a farce.

To be homest, I am over SANZAR and Super Rugby.

I was watching the Brumbies vs Blues this morning and the Brumbies had a maul going in the 72nd minute, literally a carbon copy of the one where the Stormers try was disallowed against the Hurricanes last week.

Yet the Brumbies recieved a penalty when the Blues collapsed it, I actually thought they were going to get a penalty try.

One is called legal and one is not legal.

How the hell does rugby survive?

Seems like Peyper has been hung out to dry by SANZAR. Anyone with two brain cells to rub together knows the Blues are rubbish and imploded all by themselves. John Kirwan is a terrible coach (great man, but terrible coach). Cheika brought the game into disrepute by creating a situation where even the hint of a referee being influenced is being suggested. Not good.

I know the non-try you talk of last week, looked ok to me, but I'm no expert. Stormers should have pinched that game. But I don't think SA has a mortgage on being hard done by when playing away though.

You've been mentioning it for a while now that you wish SA would break away from SANZAR. We've been here before, but I forget, is your preferred option to join NH comps (if they could accomodate it) or to go it alone?

Although in saying that, I do recall thinking at the time that the Blues were being shafted by the ref on a number of 50:50 things. Can't recall specifics, it was just a vibe, momentum, etc. Surely Peyper wasn't influenced, surely!!

We need the law book to be simplified so we can have some consistency from one game to another.

I will only accept anyone moaning about the ref costing their side a game if they ever also highlight the times when the refs interpretations favoured them.

For every 1/4 final in 07 there is a final in 11.
For every 1/4 final in 11, there is a semi final in 95
For every Final in 07 there is a semi in 07.

We have all lost out to refs, and gained from them. Even then I still maintain refs make a tiny fraction of the errors made by players.

Biltong wrote:

aucklandlaurie wrote:

Biltong wrote:

Rugby Fan wrote:

Biltong wrote:My big worry is that referees will have a bigger than usual impact on this coming world cup.

Bigger than usual?

At the last World Cup, Barnes ruled out a Welsh penalty against SA which might have been given by a TMO referral, and might easily have affected the result. Bryce Lawrence then refereed the Boks out of the tournament, while Alain Rolland red-carded Warburton in the semi-final against France. Joubert then decided not to award a potential match-changing penalty in the closing stages of the final unless someone pulled a knife. That's just four matches I can recall without checking. Not all those decisions were necessarily wrong, but it's fair to say that other referees might have made different calls.

You are correct, last world cup had plenty of issues as well, however I have a feeling this one will be the one that will change laws and refereeing for the better (after it severely affects this one)

Actually Biltong I think Mr Peyper needs to seriously look at his ability to referee the game in a fair manner, Hopefully his SANZAR warning makes him realise that he has to conduct himself (and other officials) not only in a fair manner but also in manner that seems to be fair.

Laurie, how do you suggest when a coach approaches him in front of his colleagues?

As a culture South Africans don't like to humiliate people in front of others, Peyper is an affable guy, you should be angry at Michael Cheika who seems to get away with whatever he wants.

Biltong youre missing the point, Peyper as a referee not only has to be fair but he also has to appear to be fair. I am not angry at Michael Cheika simply because he was trying to get an advantage for his team, but Peyper as a RWC referee should have the basic instincts to know that its wrong, and should have turned Cheika away. whether south Africans are are affable people who dont like to humilitae people has got absolutely nothing to do with it. If he was so affable he should have before the recommencement of play for the second half said to Jerome Kaino (Auckland Captain)  ' Look during the half time break, Ive had a conversation with the opposition coach, we discussed this that or the other, I made the following rulings/clarifications, Do you have any questions?" instead he  just resumed play, yellow carded Jerome Kaino for no apparent reason, and awarded Cheika's team 9 penalties to Kaino's 1. Surely not even South Africans would call that fair?

 Its a bit like a judge going out to lunch with some of the defence witnesses during the luncheon adjournment. mid way through a trial.

LondonTiger wrote:We need the law book to be simplified so we can have some consistency from one game to another.

I will only accept anyone moaning about the ref costing their side a game if they ever also highlight the times when the refs interpretations favoured them.

For every 1/4 final in 07 there is a final in 11.
For every 1/4 final in 11, there is a semi final in 95
For every Final in 07 there is a semi in 07.

We have all lost out to refs, and gained from them. Even then I still maintain refs make a tiny fraction of the errors made by players.

Yeah I tend to agree with that. It becomes easier to blame the ref than your own players for some. It seems to 'sit' easier. A dropped ball or poor pass can be attributed to bad luck and forgiven, where a missed forward pass, infringement by a ref seems to be a linked with a bias towards one side or the other. With the sheer number of matches being pointed at the refs I agree with Biltong in that this year could be a game changer. It just may be the back that finally breaks.

And with things like the Chiefs trying ways to get around the intention of the rules by deliberately not engaging to avoid creating the breakdowns is another sign of the frustration of the rules.

So it's obvious we have a set a rules which is one...difficult to run a game by the officials, and two, frustrating to play by the players with constant stoppages, resets, delays.

Something's gonna give sooner or later. There's no sport like it in terms of the complexity and difficulty in managing the rules.