Glasgow and Edinburgh: Ongoing Banter Thread VIII

[RuggerRadge2611]

First topic message reminder :

Ye Olde Banter:

https://www.606v2.com/t48240-glasgow-and-edinburgh-ongoing-banter-thread
https://www.606v2.com/t51313-glasgow-and-edinburgh-ongoing-banter-thread-ii
https://www.606v2.com/t53119-glasgow-and-edinburgh-ongoing-banter-thread-iii
https://www.606v2.com/t54519-glasgow-and-edinburgh-ongoing-banter-thread-iv
https://www.606v2.com/t55409-glasgow-and-edinburgh-ongoing-banter-thread-v-the-fun-continues
https://www.606v2.com/t56913p950-glasgow-and-edinburgh-ongoing-banter-thread-vi-banter-boogaloo
https://www.606v2.com/t57946-glasgow-and-edinburgh-ongoing-banter-thread-vii



A. Edinburgh
   

1. League Results  

Fri 5 Sep: Munster Rugby 13 - 14 Edinburgh Rugby

Fri 12 Sep: Edinburgh Rugby 13 - 14 Connacht Rugby

Sun 21 Sep: Ospreys 62 - 13 Edinburgh Rugby

Fri 26 Sep: Edinburgh Rugby 20 - 20 Scarlets

Fri 3 Oct: Ulster Rugby 30 - 0 Edinburgh Rugby

Sat 11 Oct: Edinburgh Rugby 24 - 10 Newport Gwent Dragons

Fri 31 Oct: Leinster Rugby 33 - 8 Edinburgh Rugby

Sun 23 Nov: Edinburgh Rugby 28 - 13 Cardiff Blues

Sat 29 Nov: Zebre 18 - 10 Edinburgh Rugby

Fri 19 Dec: Edinburgh Rugby 48 - 0 Benetton Treviso

Sat 27 Dec: Glasgow Warriors 16 - 6 Edinburgh Rugby

Fri 2 Jan: Edinburgh Rugby - 20 - 8 Glasgow Warriors

Fri 9 Jan: Connacht Rugby 13 - 16 Edinburgh Rugby

Fri 13 Feb: Edinburgh Rugby 24 - 16 Ospreys

Fri 20 Feb: Edinburgh Rugby 17 - 20 Ulster Rugby

Sun 1 Mar: Cardiff Blues 21 - 15 Edinburgh Rugby

Sat 7 Mar: Benetton Treviso 8 - 29 Edinburgh

Sat 28 Mar: Scarlets 15 - 26 Edinburgh Rugby

Fri 24 Apr: Edinburgh Rugby 3 - 34 Munster Rugby

2. European Results  

17/10/14: Bordeaux-Begles 13 - 15 Edinburgh Rugby

24/10/14: Edinburgh Rugby 25 - 17 Lyon

7/12/14: Edinburgh Rugby 25 - 13 London Welsh

14/12/14: London Welsh 6 - 24 Edinburgh Rugby

17/01/2015: Lyon 21 - 19 Edinburgh Rugby

23/01/2015: Edinburgh Rugby 38 - 20 Bordeaux-Begles

05/04/2015: London Irish 18-23 Edinburgh

17/04/2015: Edinburgh 45-16 Dragons

B. Glasgow


1. League Results  

Sat 6 Sep: Glasgow Warriors 22 - 20 Leinster Rugby

Sun 14 Sep: Cardiff Blues 12 - 33 Glasgow Warriors

Sat 20 Sep: Newport Gwent Dragons 13 - 33 Glasgow Warriors

Fri 26 Sep: Glasgow Warriors 39 - 21 Connacht Rugby

Sun 5 Oct: Benetton Treviso 23 - 40 Glasgow Warriors

Sat 11 Oct: Ulster Rugby 29 - 9 Glasgow Warriors

Fri 31 Oct: Glasgow Warriors 17 - 9 Benetton Treviso

Fri 21 Nov: Scarlets 19 - 9 Glasgow Warriors

Sun 30 Nov: Glasgow Warriors 19 - 15 Newport Gwent Dragons

Sat 20 Dec: Glasgow Warriors 21 - 18 Munster Rugby

Sat 27 Dec: Glasgow Warriors 16 - 6 Edinburgh Rugby

Fri 2 Jan: Edinburgh Rugby 20 - 8 Glasgow Warriors

Fri 9 Jan: Glasgow Warriors 22 - 7 Scarlets

Sun 15 Feb: Zebre 10 - 54 Glasgow Warriors

Sat 21 Feb: Glasgow Warriors 19 - 16 Ospreys

Sat 28 Feb: Munster Rugby 22 - 10 Glasgow Warriors

Fri 6 Mar: Glasgow Warriors 26 - 5 Zebre

Fri 27 Mar: Leinster Rugby 34 - 34 Glasgow Warriors

Fri 10 Apr: Glasgow Warriors 36 - 17 Cardiff Blues


2. European Results  

18/10/14: Glasgow Warriors 37 - 10 Bath Rugby

25/10/14: Montpellier 13 - 15 Glasgow Warriors

7/12/14: Toulouse 19 - 11 Glasgow Warriors

13/12/14: Glasgow Warriors 9 - 12 Toulouse

18/01/2015: Glasgow Warriors 21 - 10 Montpellier

25/01/2015: Bath Rugby 20 - 15 Glasgow Warriors

Hopefully this thread will keep GC off my back for a wee while...

[RDW]

tut tut!!!

a mod talking politics!!!

Ban him I say!

A Mod?

Do you not see my shiny green badge?

A mod can just ban you, I can change your password or even deny you access to the rugby section!

[jimbopip]

Mrs Pip would pay good money if you did that to me.

[George Carlin]

So basically Administrators are just Mods with ADHD.

[RDW]

So basically Administrators are just Mods with ADHD.

I can also de-mod you if you're not careful!

[tigertattie]

tut tut!!!

a mod talking politics!!!

Ban him I say!

A Mod?

Do you not see my shiny green badge?

A mod can just ban you, I can change your password or even deny you access to the rugby section!

For giggles, change FES's password to "I love Sturgeon"

[RDW]

I could do, but I'm sure he's got used to his current password - 'chateaubriand'

Woops...

[George Carlin]

So basically Administrators are just Mods with ADHD.

I can also de-mod you if you're not careful!

[tigertattie]

Back to the rugger

Anyone got a summary of whatis being discussed in the "2 english sides to join the pro 12" thread?

It seems that London Scottish may be looking to move into the pro 12 which would open up the 3rd pro team debate again. But Dowlais and Chunky are spamming the thread with their fighting and I can't be boomed looking through it all to see what is actually the latest on the matter!

[cp10]

More main stream newspaper article on it

http://www.standard.co.uk/sport/rugby/london-welsh-and-london-scottish-could-quit-english-rugby-as-clubs-hold-talks-over-switch-to-pro12-league-10231438.html

Welsh have had a poor season but they only had 2 months to put together a team to compete in the Premiership. I'm sure if L Welsh and L Scottish were in the ring fenced Pro12/14 they'd invest more wisely.

Nothing about the Italians

[GLove39]

tut tut!!!

a mod talking politics!!!

Ban him I say!

A Mod?

Do you not see my shiny green badge?

A mod can just ban you, I can change your password or even deny you access to the rugby section!

Damn you Dad & your faulty chromosomes, looks red to me

[RDW]

tut tut!!!

a mod talking politics!!!

Ban him I say!

A Mod?

Do you not see my shiny green badge?

A mod can just ban you, I can change your password or even deny you access to the rugby section!

Damn you Dad & your faulty chromosomes, looks red to me

Does that mean you think your hair is actually normal colour?

[GLove39]

tut tut!!!

a mod talking politics!!!

Ban him I say!

A Mod?

Do you not see my shiny green badge?

A mod can just ban you, I can change your password or even deny you access to the rugby section!

Damn you Dad & your faulty chromosomes, looks red to me

Does that mean you think your hair is actually normal colour?

Haha! No, but it's not all bad...

[RDW]

[funnyExiledScot]

tut tut!!!

a mod talking politics!!!

Ban him I say!

A Mod?

Do you not see my shiny green badge?

A mod can just ban you, I can change your password or even deny you access to the rugby section!

For giggles, change FES's password to "I love Sturgeon"

There's nothing funny about that at all.

[cakeordeath]

I am heading to morningside on Saturday to see Mrs Cake sing. Anyone have some decent recommendations for somewhere to eat/drink

[RuggerRadge2611]

https://youtu.be/nfmLMMBjVM0

[RDW]

So, can anyone recommend anywhere nice to live in Edinburgh South, Dumfries, Orkney or Shetland?

[cakeordeath]

So, can anyone recommend anywhere nice to live in Edinburgh South, Dumfries, Orkney or Shetland?

It's the will of the people. embrace it.

[RDW]

So, can anyone recommend anywhere nice to live in Edinburgh South, Dumfries, Orkney or Shetland?

It's the will of the people. embrace it.

Without getting too much into politics, 50% of the vote = 95% of seats in Scotland. 5% of the UK vote = 56 UK seats. Makes it difficult to accept that it really is the will of the people! I know them's the rules but it really should be taken in context I think.

The real irony here being that SNP's dominance is a real contributing factor to a Tory government - the one thing they said they didn't want!

[Tattie Scones RRN]

So, can anyone recommend anywhere nice to live in Edinburgh South, Dumfries, Orkney or Shetland?

It's the will of the people. embrace it.

Without getting too much into politics, 50% of the vote  = 95% of seats in Scotland. 5% of the UK vote = 56 UK seats. Makes it difficult to accept that it really is the will of the people! I know them's the rules but it really should be taken in context I think.

The real irony here being that SNP's dominance is a real contributing factor to a Tory government - the one thing they said they didn't want!

Err no it wasn't. Milliband was the real contributing factor to the Tories winning. Even if Labour had won all 59 seats, they would still be well short.

[highland_scot]

So, can anyone recommend anywhere nice to live in Edinburgh South, Dumfries, Orkney or Shetland?

Well, Dumfries is grim... Orkney is alright if desolate, Shetland is full of alkies (suitable for a Weegie perhaps). Edinburgh South covers Morningside, The Grange and Liberton - all nice areas for those who have graduated from Stockbridge to move into!

[RDW]

Err no it wasn't. Milliband was the real contributing factor to the Tories winning. Even if Labour had won all 59 seats, they would still be well short.

That is true, but it was still a contributing factor and it certainly hasn't helped Labour. Also, you wonder if English voters changed for the Tories over Labour because they were worried of what a Labour-SNP government would mean. That is just speculation though.

The SNP said they hate the Tories but wouldn't back Labour, so you kind of wonder who they were wanting to be the major party!

[EWT Spoons]

Err no it wasn't. Milliband was the real contributing factor to the Tories winning. Even if Labour had won all 59 seats, they would still be well short.

That is true, but it was still a contributing factor and it certainly hasn't helped Labour.  The SNP said they hate the Tories but wouldn't back Labour, so you kind of wonder who they were wanting to be the major party!

To be fair the SNP said repeatedly they would be willing to form a coalition with Labour, so I reckon you can probably work out who they were wanting to be the major party.

Anyway shall we stop talking politics on here, some of us are happy with the SNP getting as many seats as they did, others aren't. Lets move on and talk about something else.

There was talk about the SRU disbanding the 7s, but seems they might be going part time instead

BBC (amongst others) reporting

Slightly better compromise than getting rid completely.

[RDW]

There was talk about the SRU disbanding the 7s, but seems they might be going part time instead

BBC (amongst others) reporting

Slightly better compromise than getting rid completely.

I don't see the point in making them part time - surely they won't be as competitive and will be relying on cast-offs from the Pro teams.

The 7s game is so professional now you either need to really go for it or just not bother at all!

[EWT Spoons]

There was talk about the SRU disbanding the 7s, but seems they might be going part time instead

BBC (amongst others) reporting

Slightly better compromise than getting rid completely.

I don't see the point in making them part time - surely they won't be as competitive and will be relying on cast-offs from the Pro teams.

The 7s game is so professional now you either need to really go for it or just not bother at all!

If it's used to give players at the pro teams experience then to me it makes sense. Most of the better players (in theory) would be attached to a pro team, so loaning them out to the 7s to build on their skills in a competitive environment has it's merits. All that would be changing is getting rid of the players who solely play 7s rugby. Mind you there are a lot of assumptions in that considering there is not a lot of detail as to what "part time" actually means for the 7s team.

I'd still rather have the 7s team than not, so if its this or nothing, then part time it is.

[Bored..]

If the 7s does become a part-time venture. Is there anyone who can step up to the 15s game? Here's a list of players I think could possibly make the step up:

Gavin Lowe Age: 20 Position: fly half
Nyle Godsmark Age: 23 Postion: fullback
Damien Hoyland Age: 21 Position: wing
James Jonestone Age: 25 Position: centre
Chris Dean Age: 21 Position: centre

I know Hoyland, Jonestone and Dean have been discussed on here at length so I'll highlight Gavin Lowe and Nyle Godsmark.

Gavin Lowe: a 10 by trade, a good kicking and running game from what I saw at the 7s. It is difficult to tell if he has the game management to play 10 at 15s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pHiS_t-mZPY

Nyle Godsmark: an elusive fullback, seems like quite a big unit and has been a standout at the Melrose 7s the last two years for Accies. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NsgCS_c4pF8

[EWT Spoons]

Also see Barclay has come out saying that he's not fallen out with anyone and that he has spoken with Vern.  Think he has any chance of getting back into the side

Scotland: Scarlets' John Barclay denies fall-out led to cap exile
By Jamie Lyall BBC Scotland

Scarlets back-row John Barclay has denied that a fall-out with management sparked his 18-month exile from the Scotland squad.

The 28-year-old won the last of his 43 caps against South Africa in November 2013.

"No, I just wasn't picked," he told BBC Scotland.

"I've been tagged on Twitter - people say, John should be picked, someone comments, no, he's a negative impact, and I just laugh at it."

Barclay burst on to the Test scene during the 2007 World Cup, when, two days short of his 21st birthday, he went toe-to-toe with New Zealand's illustrious captain and open-side flanker, Richie McCaw.

The first recipient of the esteemed John Macphail Scholarship in 2005, he was feted as a Scotland captain of the future.

But, along with deposed skipper Kelly Brown, he fell out of favour with then-head coach Scott Johnson and present incumbent Vern Cotter, with his renewed exclusion the cause of consternation among supporters and pundits.

"I had a chat with Vern after the Six Nations squad was announced," he said, revealing he had also sought counsel from Scotland's forwards coach.

"I met up recently with Jonathan Humphreys down in Wales and had a chat about my game and how he thought I was playing.

"Before that, I hadn't spoken for a long time with anyone from Scotland, so it was good to get some feedback on what they were looking for from me.

"To some extent I feel I was written off, bracketed with a generation that was older than me.

"It's been a frustrating year and a half, but at the same time I feel I've been playing some of my best rugby this season."

The former Glasgow Warriors forward is thriving during his second season at the Scarlets.

A senior figure in the Welsh region, he believes a combination of fatherhood, his university studies, a degree course in surveying and land management, and maturity have aided his rugby.

"I didn't see many Scotland games - it's not something I want to do," he said, speaking of the Scots' Six Nations whitewash earlier this year. "I find it hard to watch the games when I'm not playing.

Barclay has been in excellent form for Scarlets and played against his former club, Glasgow Warriors, this season

"I've always had a hope I would get called back in and it hasn't materialised yet. I've focused on myself a bit more; having a family's given me a lot of perspective on rugby.

"I play rugby to have fun now and in professional sport you can forget that sometimes and get hung up on non-selection.

"I think a younger version of me would have got very hung up on what's happened the last two years.

"I try and speak to the younger guys down here and tell them they should do something - a lot of them just play rugby then go home and do nothing.

"I remember guys telling me you should do something away from rugby and I thought, oh, whatever, and now I wish I had.

"I've got a bit of balance in my life; I've got a lot going on."

[funnyExiledScot]

Well suffice to say the election outcome couldn't have been much worse from my perspective, rather like the 6 Nations!

[RDW]

Pleased to hear that from Barclay but I'll still read his comments with caution - he's hardly going to publicly confirm there was a falling out is he!

[funnyExiledScot]

I take it with a pinch of salt, and with Cowan and Watson in the frame I don't see him making the World Cup squad. Brown has a better chance as cover for 6 and 7.

[EWT Spoons]

Agreed he's unlikely to come out saying he's fallen out with them, but still good to hear he's at least talking to them.

But FES is right, he's probably fallen down the pecking order anyway.

[lostinwales]

There was talk about the SRU disbanding the 7s, but seems they might be going part time instead

BBC (amongst others) reporting

Slightly better compromise than getting rid completely.

I don't see the point in making them part time - surely they won't be as competitive and will be relying on cast-offs from the Pro teams.

The 7s game is so professional now you either need to really go for it or just not bother at all!

If it's used to give players at the pro teams experience then to me it makes sense.  Most of the better players (in theory) would be attached to a pro team, so loaning them out to the 7s to build on their skills in a competitive environment has it's merits. All that would be changing is getting rid of the players who solely play 7s rugby.  Mind you there are a lot of assumptions in that considering there is not a lot of detail as to what "part time" actually means for the 7s team.

I'd still rather have the 7s team than not, so if its this or nothing, then part time it is.

As RDW says part time in today's 7's competition is a recipe for becoming whipping boys, which won't do your standing in the world game any good and would probably just be a step towards scrapping the team altogether.

As for the politics, I know one party states are generally a bad idea but in contrast I get to live in a country where 1.5 million more people voted ukip than libdem..

[tigertattie]

Well suffice to say the election outcome couldn't have been much worse from my perspective, rather like the 6 Nations!

but ain't you a tory FES?

[funnyExiledScot]

Well suffice to say the election outcome couldn't have been much worse from my perspective, rather like the 6 Nations!

but ain't you a tory FES?

Nope. Never in my life.

[jimbopip]

Well suffice to say the election outcome couldn't have been much worse from my perspective, rather like the 6 Nations!

but ain't you a tory FES?

Nope. Never in my life.

Too downmarket and common now they're letting those Bullingdon types in, Fes?

[funnyExiledScot]

Exactly. All "new" money.

[jimbopip]

So let me get this straight...
It's Ospreys versus The People's Republic of Glasgow
and
Dragons versus East Coast Labour . Come on you Socialists.

[funnyExiledScot]

East Coast Labour?? Just the one seat....

As noted by RDW previously, Orkney is now the only safe place to live.

[21st Century Schizoid Man]

Murphy must stay !

[tigertattie]

FACINATING FACT!

There are still more labour MPs in Scotland than there are number of times Glasgow have made it into the knock out stages of the Heiniken/Champions cup!

[funnyExiledScot]

[21st Century Schizoid Man]

And the selfish bastard is staying too - not a shred of self respect. Guess he will be pushed to join his wee pal Balls

[funnyExiledScot]

Why shouldn't he stay? He'll stand (and win) a place in the Scottish Parliament next year, and hopefully continue to point out the many errors of the SNP ways.

He's a hate figure for the SNP, primarily because they hate everyone that isn't one of them and stands up to them. He should take it as a compliment that separatists such as yourself hate him so much. He's a left wing social democrat, much like the majority of the SNP. The only real difference is that he wants the UK to stay intact, and that he's been a part of the previous UK Government, and therefore carries baggage from that. It seems the only party in the UK that doesn't seem to have to defend its record is the SNP in Scotland, because nothing is their fault after 8 years.

I find the celebrating by the Nats of Ed Balls losing his seat also rather odd. Ed Balls was firmly on the left of the Labour party and one of the most influential anti-austerity voices in UK politics. He lost to a Conservative, and yet the SNP faithful cheers that on. Odd.

[Nematode]

Think I might take a wee break from rugby over the next few weeks. Edinburgh have crumbled and it's almost sad watching Glasgow now - the down and injured beast; it's almost a sign of what to expect next season without Matawalu, Maitland and DTH.

[cakeordeath]

Making my way to Morningside, can someone recommend a pub which isn't The Merlin. Also is the Salt Cafe any good. I know I am from Glasgow, but you have my promise I won't stab anyone

[123456789]

On the points covered in the last couple of pages:

Al Kellock doesn't want to go into coaching, I think he wants to go into the management aspect of the SRU, and this is from a source exceptionally close to him, he was going to Treviso next year. They contacted him and he told his agent to quote something ridiculous to which Treviso replied yep that's fine, but because they have a limited number of foreign players and other player movements Treviso pulled out.

On last night's events, I believe it was a sad night for Scotland however if Labour continue to elect posh london boys as their leader there will be no change. If they can get a genuinely working class leader from North of Watford it seems like a retrievable situation. I actually voted Tory however I live in Kent and our MP is a really effective operator who has done a lot of good work. It was also either UKIP or Tory for our seat, right in Farage territory, so there wasn't much choice. Nevertheless Labour need another reboot because without Scotland they will never ever command another majority.

[jimbopip]

Making my way to Morningside, can someone recommend a pub which isn't The Merlin. Also is the Salt Cafe any good. I know I am from Glasgow, but you have my promise I won't stab anyone

Take a blade with you anyway Cake, just in case you get into a political discussion. These Morningside Socialists can be very cutting.

[RDW]

Scotland won their first 7s game against Portugal, but needed Scott Riddell to bail them out at the end when Portugal looked destined to get the winning score.

I thought Hoyland looked excellent - very much ready for the step up. He's not the biggest but must have good upper body strength cause he shrugged off a lot of players. Similar to Bennett in his deceptive strength.

Russell Weir looked lively but had a couple of shocking passes.

The best players though we're the full time pros - Riddell and Robertson!

[123456789]

Oh and Shetland is by far the most beautiful place that I have ever been, if the weather was better I'd seriously consider moving there. The comment about the people all being "alkies", whilst not inaccurate (in fact I believe it may be my Shetland heritage that explains my penchant for binge drinking although English people are real lightweights) , ignores the fact that they are lovely welcoming people who go out of their way to help people.

[RDW]

Scotland beat Wales, scoring the winning try after the ball being in play for a breathless 3 minutes. Not the best of games or best of performances!

Scotland qualify for the cup quarters!

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