2 English clubs in the Pro 12??

by Chunky Norwich Sun May 03, 2015 9:50 pm

First topic message reminder :

Being reported today that London Scottish and London Welsh are being lined up to play in the pro12.....if the Italian teams don't pay money owed to the league.

Fantastic news that English teams are already touted as playing in what could be an early British and Irish League. Even if it doesn't happen, these increasingly frequent bits and bobs are only the beginning of what is to come.

by wolfball Wed May 06, 2015 8:09 am

Griff wrote:
InjuredYetAgain wrote:Bloody hell,this thread has wandered away from its initial discussion.
Like it or not, I think the Welsh posters on this thread need to realise that, even though the provinces may rest players too much for their liking, the Irish are disproportionately successful so you can't say that they aren't taking it seriously. Ok, perhapos they could take it [i]more[i] seriously but they seem to be ticking the boxes just now.
In addition, without the Irish crowds, there would be less TV interest = less cash = less ability to be able to afford to keep the top Welsh (and Scottish) players at home.
I cant remember who made the point about BOD not playing in Wales in the last 6 years (he certainly played in Edinburgh as he helped rip our backline a new one on quite a few occasions) but surely you can't argue that this had an adverse effect on attendances?

For Welsh posters on the topic of Ireland not taking the league seriously, read Lord Dowlais. Not sure anyone else holds his opinion on that point, even Chunky! That that I've read anyway.

I really think, the sentence that Lord and Chunky should be saying to their Irish brethren is...

'Thank You'

To which we say - 'You are welcome'. Hug

To the other welsh posters and to return to the actual topic, I do not know the history of London Welsh really - how much of a connection do people in Wales feel for this team?

by Guest Wed May 06, 2015 8:17 am

None really for me Wolfball. London Welsh used to be a proper exiles team taking in a lot of Welsh nationals working in London and playing amateur rugby on the side, hence the fairly high profile old boys they can boast. However, with the move to the pro game, and development pathways, and pyramid structures, etc., etc. all teams in the English club game (and elsewhere) have to agree to develop for the National team (and rightly so of course). So they are 'Welsh' only in name. They have to serve the English league and rfu like any other team, and are treated as any other English team (which they are). I do look out for their scores now and then as I feel a tiny pull, but this is no more than a passing interest. If I was old enough in the 70's I might have looked out for them more as they were more of a team for Welsh people living away from home.

by Sin é Wed May 06, 2015 10:26 am

wayne wrote:"A move to a National Stadium in the future is under active discussion" so this year it was ruled out.

I suggest you contact Gerald Davies who is Chairman of the Celtic League or perhaps Mark Davies of CEO of the Welsh Regions who is also a Director of Celtic Rugby.

(If you don't get a response from those two, you might try the third Welsh Director of Celtic Rugby, Roger Lewis)!

by LordDowlais Wed May 06, 2015 6:34 pm

Firstly, let me get things straight on here, I am being accused of saying things on here that I have not said.

Firstly, I have not said that the Irish DO NOT take the league seriously, I have said that they have been guilty of doing it since it's inception, I can agree that things might have started to change in the last year or two, but during the last decade, the IRFU has damaged the leagues credibility by doing what they have done.

Secondly, and I will stand by this, the IRFU do treat the league a poor second to Europe. They roll out the red carpet for the scraps that the English and French throw us and fawn over their competition like a little lap dog, and do not even try to hide it, it's a pitty that they do not treat it with the same contempt as they themselves were treated when this whole European debacle was at it's height.

And thirdly, I find it very strange that the one year when it looked as though the final would not be played in Ireland, that we had these new rules/criteria brought in for hosting a final, and I find it strange that the only countries that could fit these criteria's were Ireland and Northern Ireland who funnily enough both come under the IRFU. Can anybody tell me where these criteria's for the final can be found, because I have searched high and wide on the internet for them, but all I can find are references to the criteria having to be filled to get the final, not once I have found what these criteria's are.

by wayne Wed May 06, 2015 7:51 pm

Notch wrote:
wayne wrote:
Notch wrote:
SecretFly wrote:
LordDowlais wrote:
SecretFly wrote:It should! As should Murrayfield. If these places are good enough for Internationals, then they're good enough for Pro12 Finals.

Do not quote me on this, as I cannot find the criteria on line, only references to it in the rule book, but I am sure international stadiums were not allowed because they were too big and would not be filled.

Well that's crap. All four Nations should have the right, without conditions attached (as they all have Stadiums that can cater for a Final), to host a final if they want to and make an offer to. Period. Again, who is sitting in seats at meetings organising this stuff? A LARGE part of the complications of the League is down to the people chosen to sit in seats at meetings to come up with the contractual agreements for the League.

It's crap as it is simply not true. There is nothing officially stopping games taking place in national stadiums. In practice, it is feared that they are too large. For instance, Aviva Stadium for a potential Ospreys vs Glasgow final would be a concern in terms of ticket sales. Or the Millennium Stadium for Munster vs Glasgow. Could a 50000-80000 seater stadium sell-out in a neutral country for the Pro12 final? I don't think so right now.

I think that for this year, 18000 is the perfect capacity for the final and I think they would favour that capacity until it's proven the Pro12 final is enough of a draw. BUT anyone telling you that the rules forbid holding the games in national stadiums is talking out of their hoop. There is a minimum capacity, there is not maximum capacity. I think the goal has to be the eventually rotate the Final around stadiums that size, but it's not yet enough a draw to guarantee filling them, thats all.

There is nothing whatsoever stopping Wales from holding a Final as far as I can see. They a=must already have the hotels requirement for test rugby.

Well it is NOT CRAP as Tom McCormack of the organising committee for the Guinness League admitted in 2 seperate conversations he had with a representative of the Ospreys Supporters Club and the correspondence for which is on their website, for this year National Stadiums were outlawed as they didn't think it would attract enough interest, although it could be brought in in future years.

...that actually perfectly proves my point! LordDowlias said that national stadiums were not going to be considered, I said that was a load of crap and they only ruled it out in the short term due to difficulty generating interest and they'll probably move to larger stadia eventually if interest increases. And then you come in and posted the actual evidence supporting my statement that I couldn't be bothered looking up myself!

Happy days

There is nothing in the published criteria that officially says large stadiums can't host the event- however, any bid would have to demonstrate/guarantee that they can sell out tickets for the game so in practice large stadiums are not being considered at the moment but this is flexible and may change for next year or in subsequent years. It's complete crap to say that the Pro12 have officially ruled out moving the games to national stadiums, I would say it's a long term goal even, but its just going to take a few years to build up to that level.

You need to go and read Lord Dowlais's post again and see how it differs to your interpretation of it, he is talking about the past and present tense "but I am sure International stadiums WERE NOT allowed because they were too big and would not be filled" which is true, your interpretation as you show in your last post is "Lord Dowlais said that national stadiums were not going to be considered" which is NOT what he said, that is future tense and is CRAP, which I proved by Tom McCormacks admission.

by LordDowlais Wed May 06, 2015 7:54 pm

LordDowlais wrote:
SecretFly wrote:It should! As should Murrayfield. If these places are good enough for Internationals, then they're good enough for Pro12 Finals.

Do not quote me on this, as I cannot find the criteria on line, only references to it in the rule book, but I am sure international stadiums were not allowed because they were too big and would not be filled.

Here it is wayne, just to prove you right, but do not let being right get in the way of the Irish agenda on here. Also, Notch, could you please tell us where we can read the criteria as there are no links to it on the web, if you are reading it, where are you getting it from ?

by Chunky Norwich Wed May 06, 2015 8:08 pm

Are there any thoughts from the Irish on why we have these absurd eligibility rules for pro12 finals?

And why they are so strict that if they were the same rules in the English League, then precisely zero of the 12 club grounds would be able to host the final?

by SecretFly Wed May 06, 2015 8:35 pm

Chunky Norwich wrote:Are there any thoughts from the Irish on why we have these absurd eligibility rules for pro12 finals?

And why they are so strict that if they were the same rules in the English League, then precisely zero of the 12 club grounds would be able to host the final?

I'M to blame for Pro12 eligibility rules? Yeah, right........

by BamBam Wed May 06, 2015 8:37 pm

Chunky Norwich wrote:Are there any thoughts from the Irish on why we have these absurd eligibility rules for pro12 finals?

And why they are so strict that if they were the same rules in the English League, then precisely zero of the 12 club grounds would be able to host the final?

Which is why the final is at Twickenham ..

by Chunky Norwich Wed May 06, 2015 8:44 pm

BamBam wrote:
Chunky Norwich wrote:Are there any thoughts from the Irish on why we have these absurd eligibility rules for pro12 finals?

And why they are so strict that if they were the same rules in the English League, then precisely zero of the 12 club grounds would be able to host the final?

Which is why the final is at Twickenham ..

Because they only have 1 nation involved.

When there is 4 nations involved, would it not be better to make the eligibility rules as inclusive as possible, so the final isn't kept in Ireland every year?

by SecretFly Wed May 06, 2015 8:48 pm

wayne wrote:]You need to go and read Lord Dowlais's post again and see how it differs to your interpretation of it, he is talking about the past and present tense "but I am sure International stadiums WERE NOT allowed because they were too big and would not be filled" which is true, your interpretation as you show in your last post is "Lord Dowlais said that national stadiums were not going to be considered" which is NOT what he said, that is future tense and is CRAP, which I proved by Tom McCormacks admission.

wayne, in the interests of common decency... I got to use a Jiffy line on you and 'Stop you there! Stop it there!'

It IS all semantics that is changing what Specifically Notch says and what Specifically Lord says on this matter.
The boys are trying to say the same thing - without agreeing with each other, which can be difficult. Wink

But they both said National Stadiums are out, certainly this year, based on likely numbers not adding up to make it viable for the lovely cameras watching half empty stadiums. Allegedly not good for marketing bizz and all that schmaltz. But that's what they're roughly both trying to say WITHOUT having to agree with each other.
They've done a pretty good job of it too and should be applauded for keeping on opposite sides of a political fence but still joining each other up on the fence itself.

Notch was actually reacting to my rhetorical question when I said it was CRAP if National Stadiums were banned from holding Finals Then I reacted to your "CRAP" response to Notch and felt it wasn't needed as the two lads were snaking around the same point but cautiously keeping their distance from each other.

by Chunky Norwich Wed May 06, 2015 8:49 pm

SecretFly wrote:

Notch was actually reacting to my rhetorical question when I said it was CRAP if National Stadiums were banned from holding Finals Then I reacted to your "CRAP" response to Notch and felt it wasn't needed as the two lads were snaking around the same point but cautiously keeping their distance from each other.

Wriggle. You Irish never do anything wrong do you?

by SecretFly Wed May 06, 2015 8:57 pm

No - I don't. Cool

Glad you're finally learning that valuable lesson, Chunky. It'll stand us both in good stead in future arguments Wink

Back to the issue at hand. Semantics is a great ol' bird for muddying waters and pretending two people are saying different things. They ain't. Any elementary school kid would know they Notch and Lord are agreeing in all but agreement Wink

Back to you though Wink

Wasn't it you who took it on board to represent the entire Welsh fanbase (good of you!) when you interpreted 'Welsh fans staying away coz BOD don't play' as a personal attack on your attendance rate??? "Me???? Moi????? I?????" "I'm responsible for bad attendances at Welsh Regional games?????"

That's creative writing misconstruing class with afterburners, that is. No wonder you have trouble working out when two people on opposite sides of the fence are saying the same thing.

by Irish Londoner Wed May 06, 2015 8:59 pm

Chunky Norwich wrote: Wriggle. You Irish never do anything wrong do you?

Well let's see, three successful Provincial sides and one up and coming, well funded squads that allow us to compete in the PRO12 and the ERC Cup, rest and rotation for the top players, bringing forward young players, large crowds at home games, large numbers of travelling fans, sell outs whenever we reach a final, etc.

Yep, pretty much nothing wrong. Run

by Chunky Norwich Wed May 06, 2015 9:00 pm

SecretFly wrote:

Back to you though Wasn't it you who took it on board to represent the entire Welsh fanbase (good of you!) when you interpreted 'Welsh fans staying away coz BOD don't play' as a personal attack on your attendance rate???

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No. I just put a fact out there. One of many as it happens. And not a single Irish poster has even admitted that it was in any way conceivably detrimental to the league. Because Irish people never do anything wrong.

by **Notch** Wed May 06, 2015 9:01 pm

Irish Londoner wrote:
Chunky Norwich wrote: Wriggle. You Irish never do anything wrong do you?

Well let's see, three successful Provincial sides and one up and coming, well funded squads that allow us to compete in the PRO12 and the ERC Cup, rest and rotation for the top players, bringing forward young players, large crowds at home games, large numbers of travelling fans, sell outs whenever we reach a final, etc.

Yep, pretty much nothing wrong.

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by Chunky Norwich Wed May 06, 2015 9:03 pm

by SecretFly Wed May 06, 2015 9:13 pm

Chunky Norwich wrote:
SecretFly wrote:

Back to you though Wasn't it you who took it on board to represent the entire Welsh fanbase (good of you!) when you interpreted 'Welsh fans staying away coz BOD don't play' as a personal attack on your attendance rate???

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No. I just put a fact out there. One of many as it happens. And not a single Irish poster has even admitted that it was in any way conceivably detrimental to the league. Because Irish people never do anything wrong.

I said directly to your face that it wasn't detrimental. It wasn't detrimental. You're gliding on a wave of red herrings, and they're slippy brutes to be sure but do jump off the tidal wave there or they'll be the death of you.

Your 'Me?', 'MOi???' line was simple evasion because you didn't have an answer when I intimated ol' BOD's no show wasn't responsible for one less bloody seat filled in Welsh stadiums these last few years. You had more than enough of your own internal Welsh reasons and excuses why those seats weren't being filled. Even Lord 'admits' that truth.

by SecretFly Wed May 06, 2015 9:16 pm

Chunky Norwich wrote:

The shadow on the wall looks like you in print, true enough Wink

I wonder what the real Chunky looks like....

by **George Carlin** Wed May 06, 2015 9:21 pm

SecretFly wrote:
Chunky Norwich wrote:

The shadow on the wall looks like you in print, true enough I wonder what the real Chunky looks like....

I have always assumed our colleague Chunky had one of two fairly distinct looks:
2 English clubs in the Pro 12?? - Page 6 Chunky10

or

2 English clubs in the Pro 12?? - Page 6 Evil10

Am I right? Very Happy

by Chunky Norwich Wed May 06, 2015 9:21 pm

SecretFly wrote:

Your 'Me?', 'MOi???' line was simple evasion because you didn't have an answer when I intimated ol' BOD's no show wasn't responsible for one less bloody seat filled in Welsh stadiums these last few years. .

Of course it is. Hundreds of kids will only ask their parents to take them if the best players are playing. BOD no show was a blight on the league.

Why would anybody want to turn up when the best players aren't playing? That's part of the problem in Wales. The apathy towards the league. Because the league is such a shoddy product all round.

I'm sure you'll disagree with that. But that's the opinion of a season ticket holder for one of the regions.

by Chunky Norwich Wed May 06, 2015 9:22 pm

George Carlin wrote:

Am I right?

No.

by SecretFly Wed May 06, 2015 9:33 pm

Chunky Norwich wrote:
SecretFly wrote:

Your 'Me?', 'MOi???' line was simple evasion because you didn't have an answer when I intimated ol' BOD's no show wasn't responsible for one less bloody seat filled in Welsh stadiums these last few years. .

Of course it is. Hundreds of kids will only ask their parents to take them if the best players are playing. BOD no show was a blight on the league.

Why would anybody want to turn up when the best players aren't playing? That's part of the problem in Wales. The apathy towards the league. Because the league is such a shoddy product all round.

I'm sure you'll disagree with that. But that's the opinion of a season ticket holder for one of the regions.

Your international boss Gatland thought BOD was an oversold, outplayed, old, middle-aged-spread useless hoor Wink

I believe most Welsh fans would like to have met BOD in a dark alley to let him know what they thought of him more than watch him Show up with His Glitterball Leinster shirt on to rub it in.

You weren't waiting for no BOD to ooh and ahh, sir. No sir. The Welsh for the last six years were too interested in cage fighting with their Union and with their clubs and with their Regions and with Lewis.... no time for real rugby that happens on a field. These social media fight debates were much more of a crowd pulling lure. Wink

Had Sky been wise to it, they would have bought up the rights to the fights. They would have made a fortune in pay-per-view.

by Chunky Norwich Wed May 06, 2015 9:35 pm

Typical flippant unfunny effort as usual.

by SecretFly Wed May 06, 2015 9:38 pm

...and true.

You always go quiet when I hit 'True'.

by Chunky Norwich Wed May 06, 2015 9:41 pm

Cos I've answered them all before.

by **George Carlin** Wed May 06, 2015 9:42 pm

Chunky Norwich wrote:
George Carlin wrote:

Am I right?

No.

Okay.

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by **Notch** Wed May 06, 2015 9:42 pm

Chunky Norwich wrote:Why would anybody want to turn up when the best players aren't playing?

To support their team. That's why I go to see Ulster. Couldn't give a frogs fiddle who the opposition are!

by LordDowlais Wed May 06, 2015 9:45 pm

Notch, where are you getting your information from regarding the criteria to hold a pro12 final from ?

by Chunky Norwich Wed May 06, 2015 9:46 pm

Notch wrote:
Chunky Norwich wrote:Why would anybody want to turn up when the best players aren't playing?

To support their team. That's why I go to see Ulster. Couldn't give a frogs fiddle who the opposition are!

I mean the floating voters. The non season ticket crowd. The potential walk ups.

Given the choice of seeing Leinster firsts v Scarlets firsts or Leinster 2nds v Scarlets firsts - they would be right to stay away. These people have a tremendous amount of apathy for the league. They are fickle. Because the product is poor, and the regions are poor.

by LordDowlais Wed May 06, 2015 9:48 pm

Also I would like to see an answer from Chunky's question.

Chunky Norwich wrote:Are there any thoughts from the Irish on why we have these absurd eligibility rules for pro12 finals?

by SecretFly Wed May 06, 2015 10:08 pm

Chunky Norwich wrote:
Notch wrote:
Chunky Norwich wrote:Why would anybody want to turn up when the best players aren't playing?

To support their team. That's why I go to see Ulster. Couldn't give a frogs fiddle who the opposition are!

I mean the floating voters. The non season ticket crowd. The potential walk ups.

Given the choice of seeing Leinster firsts v Scarlets firsts or Leinster 2nds v Scarlets firsts - they would be right to stay away. These people have a tremendous amount of apathy for the league. They are fickle. Because the product is poor, and the regions are poor.

So over the last six or so years, Regional casuals would have enjoyed more Leinster firsts turning up for Scarlets firsts and running riot? They casual fans would really look forward to going back to Scarlets games to see their home side potentially thrashed by allegedly in-their-pomp Leinster firsts this last half decade or so? Such games would lure the lingerers back?

I've watched too much rugby Chunky and I don't buy it. I've listened in on many of those games over the last decade and listened to how animated and excited the commentators and pundits got when the Regions were giving Leinster seconds a game or outgunning them. That's all Welsh rugby fans ever want - winning or playing well enough that they have a chance to win. That's what draws Welsh people to games - that fever to get one over the opposition - and I actually think that Passion that is in Welsh people is what has been left untapped by the Regions. That's Welsh Regional rugby's greatest source of growth - winning. Getting casual fans back into grounds by winning things.

So like I always say - the true growth is with the players on the field and the coaches coaching. Success of Welsh Regional rugby is in their hands. So it's time for Welsh internationals not to save themselves for International (to throw themselves headlong into the League and if that risks International readiness and fitness, so be it)
Afterall, if Irish Internationals have often been accused of saving themselves for Europe then it's easy to see where Welsh Internationals often phoned in their Pro12 performances too.

by SecretFly Wed May 06, 2015 10:10 pm

LordDowlais wrote:Also I would like to see an answer from Chunky's question.

Chunky Norwich wrote:Are there any thoughts from the Irish on why we have these absurd eligibility rules for pro12 finals?

There were meetings? Discussions on the pros and cons. Everyone that has a vote voted for them?

Back at you - any thoughts on why we have these absurd eligibility rules for Pro12 finals?

by asoreleftshoulder Wed May 06, 2015 10:12 pm

LordDowlais wrote:Also I would like to see an answer from Chunky's question.

Chunky Norwich wrote:Are there any thoughts from the Irish on why we have these absurd eligibility rules for pro12 finals?

I don't understand why you think the "Irish" can give you a satisfactory answer.I could speculate but 3 or 4 other Irish posters could give different reasons so our answers wouldn't really do anything other than give you something else to point at us and shout 'bias'.

If you want the reasons why don't you try contacting the Pro 12 thesmelves.You can write to them at this address.

Guinness PRO12
1st Floor Simmonscourt House
Simmonscourt Road
Ballsbridge
Dublin 4
Ireland

Alternatively you can send them an e-mail just go to the pro12 website and under the About Us section there is a feedback form which you can fill out.Let us know how you get on

by LordDowlais Wed May 06, 2015 10:13 pm

SecretFly wrote:
LordDowlais wrote:Also I would like to see an answer from Chunky's question.

Chunky Norwich wrote:Are there any thoughts from the Irish on why we have these absurd eligibility rules for pro12 finals?

There were meetings? Discussions on the pros and cons. Everyone that has a vote voted for them?

Back at you - any thoughts on why we have these absurd eligibility rules for Pro12 finals?

What do you mean back at me ? You have not even answered the question. We want to know what are YOUR thoughts. We know there have been meetings and the what not, tell us something different, like your thoughts on the eligibility rules.

by Chunky Norwich Wed May 06, 2015 10:14 pm

SecretFly wrote:

So over the last six or so years, Regional casuals would have enjoyed more Leinster firsts turning up for Scarlets firsts and running riot? They casual fans would really look forward to going back to Scarlets games to see their home side potentially thrashed by allegedly in-their-pomp Leinster firsts this last half decade or so? Such games would lure the lingerers back?

Is this a trick question? You're asking me if better teams attract more punters? You're seriously asking me that?

That's all Welsh rugby fans ever want - winning or playing well enough that they have a chance to win. That's what draws Welsh people to games - that fever to get one over the opposition - and I actually think that Passion that is in Welsh people is what has been left untapped by the Regions. That's Welsh Regional rugby's greatest source of growth - winning. Getting casual fans back into grounds by winning things.

Winning certainly is a part of it. Just like the quality of rugby and opposition is a part of it.

So like I always say - the true growth is with the players on the field and the coaches coaching. Success of Welsh Regional rugby is in their hands.

No it's not. We are forced to play games whenever Welsh tv companies have the rights. That is out of our hands. We are forced to only negotiate what the Celtic accord tells us we can negotiate.

It is unequivocally OUT of our hands.

So it's time for Welsh internationals not to save themselves for International (to throw themselves headlong into the League and if that risks International readiness and fitness, so be it)
Afterall, if Irish Internationals have often been accused of saving themselves for Europe then it's easy to see where Welsh Internationals often phoned in their Pro12 performances too.

You're accusing players of not giving 100%. That's a new debate atogether.

by Chunky Norwich Wed May 06, 2015 10:15 pm

See. The answers to the eigibility question speak volumes

"Contact the pro12"

Jesus Christ the Irish are piggin' shameless.

by LordDowlais Wed May 06, 2015 10:15 pm

asoreleftshoulder wrote:I don't understand why you think the "Irish" can give you a satisfactory answer.

We just want to know what you think of the criteria thats all, sheesh, why is it so hard for you to answer ?

by SecretFly Wed May 06, 2015 10:15 pm

asoreleftshoulder wrote:

If you want the reasons why don't you try contacting the Pro 12 thesmelves.You can write to them at this address.

Guinness PRO12
1st Floor Simmonscourt House
Simmonscourt Road
Ballsbridge
Dublin 4
Ireland

AHA! There's the answer looking us straight in the face! Wink

by asoreleftshoulder Wed May 06, 2015 10:17 pm

Chunky Norwich wrote:See. The answers to the eigibility question speak volumes

"Contact the pro12"

Jesus Christ the Irish are piggin' shameless.

The answer is that our answers would be speculation and you could get 5 different answers from 5 different "Irish" posters.You seem to think we're like the Borg.

by LordDowlais Wed May 06, 2015 10:18 pm

Chunky Norwich wrote:See. The answers to the eigibility question speak volumes

"Contact the pro12"

Jesus Christ the Irish members on this forum are piggin' shameless.

That is what I think you meant to say Chunk.

by SecretFly Wed May 06, 2015 10:18 pm

LordDowlais wrote:
asoreleftshoulder wrote:I don't understand why you think the "Irish" can give you a satisfactory answer.

We just want to know what you think of the criteria thats all, sheesh, why is it so hard for you to answer ?

That's not what you asked, sheesh.

Are we back to semantics already?

You didn't ask what we Think of the criteria, you asked us WHY we've come to have these criteria.

by Chunky Norwich Wed May 06, 2015 10:19 pm

It's pathetic. This thread and the Irish posters on this forum perfectly sum up why the League is one sided, unfair and unviable

by LordDowlais Wed May 06, 2015 10:19 pm

SecretFly wrote:AHA! There's the answer looking us straight in the face!

Are you going to give us your thoughts on the criteria SF ?

by SecretFly Wed May 06, 2015 10:19 pm

Chunky Norwich wrote:

You're accusing players of not giving 100%. That's a new debate atogether.

Are you on the same planet as us?????

by Guest Wed May 06, 2015 10:20 pm

LordDowlais wrote:Also I would like to see an answer from Chunky's question.

Chunky Norwich wrote:Are there any thoughts from the Irish on why we have these absurd eligibility rules for pro12 finals?

It's all a conspiracy to keep the final in Ireland. It's obvious. There can be no other explanation. No way will Pro12 allow a final to be held in Wales. Ever!

Laugh

by LordDowlais Wed May 06, 2015 10:21 pm

asoreleftshoulder wrote:The answer is that our answers would be speculation and you could get 5 different answers from 5 different "Irish" posters.You seem to think we're like the Borg.

But that is what we want, all the different opinions from different Irish member on here, why are you and SF skirting around the question ?

by SecretFly Wed May 06, 2015 10:21 pm

LordDowlais wrote:
SecretFly wrote:AHA! There's the answer looking us straight in the face!

Are you going to give us your thoughts on the criteria SF ?

Didn't I????

Do you read the threads, Lord?

Now you - are you going to give us an answer on WHY these absurd criteria are arrived at????? No more questions back at me until you give an answer. Too many questions here and not enough answers from some.

by LordDowlais Wed May 06, 2015 10:23 pm

Munchkin wrote:It's all a conspiracy to keep the final in Ireland. It's obvious. There can be no other explanation. No way will Pro12 allow a final to be held in Wales. Ever!

Not under the current criteria's it wont, so you are right. Also, is that your answer, it is a conspiracy ?

by SecretFly Wed May 06, 2015 10:24 pm

LordDowlais wrote:
Chunky Norwich wrote:See. The answers to the eigibility question speak volumes

"Contact the pro12"

Jesus Christ the Irish members on this forum are piggin' shameless.

That is what I think you meant to say Chunk.

Don't be putting words in Chunky's mouth, Lord. He's man enough to have his own opinions and stand up for them. And we're smart enough to have a good idea what they are.

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