Pro12 TV Schedule

First topic message reminder :

Can someone point me in the direction of the tv viewing schedule for the last day of the regular Pro12 fixtures.

Thanks

ScarletSpiderman wrote:

That's it go back to the 'it was just tongue in cheek' crap that bumholes always use when they have been shown up as bumholes.  Why does it have to be smart arse comments and condescension on here all the time.  It kills the logic and debate.

Wot an eejit.

Our bit is the Sky bit.  And as usual here, people of your nature don't like the Irish fighting back with a bigger stick than the one initially used against them.

They should take their punishment and slights and abide in Monkish silence?

Lesson - don't strike with the stick first and you'll have an easier time in 606.

Some here call in the missiles onto your positions and then get into tantrums when you have to scurry into bomb shelters....

Carry on, Scarlet.

Fly, if you remember I had enough of dealing with the bullies on here with the kiddy gloves of being a mod, that is why I stepped down so I could deal with them on their own pathetic level, pack mentality of grouping up on a lone poster (Chunky) and then getting uppity when it is fired back at them.

I shall indeed carry on, and I am sure you will too. Lets see who back down first.

oh and carry on.....

Jenifer McLadyboy wrote:

TG4 showing Munster v Dragons. (which means SC4 have no feed for Connacht v Ospreys and it won't be on telly)

Sky Glasgow v Ulster

Seems like crap info there

Chunky Norwich wrote:

Jenifer McLadyboy wrote:

TG4 showing Munster v Dragons. (which means SC4 have no feed for Connacht v Ospreys and it won't be on telly)

Sky Glasgow v Ulster

Seems like crap info there

Ah those seem more logical

I think I'll go back to my marking...

So the broadcasting is very much as expected. The only odd one being S4C and even that was fairly predictable.

Chunky Norwich wrote:

No 7&1/2 wrote:You were criticising the number of broadcasters earlier is that ok now to get the top bucks?

eh? what are you talking about?

Sky are paying to show Munster, Leinster and probably Glasgow as they are a good attacking team, they're bringing the money there.

What are you really saying here Chunks? Are you happy with the money that the WRU got even though it splits up the TV coverage? Are you unhappy about the number of broadcasters or happy with it even though it causes you to plan birthdays in dive bars in London?

What we've got is rubbish. Wales subsidises Ireland and Scottish rugby.

You were complaining about the number of different broadcasters making life difficult for you watching games in the pub while celebrating birthdays. I understand now why you are fooling yourself into thinknig the English clubs would want you in the league; subsidising Ireland!

No 7&1/2 wrote:

You were complaining about the number of different broadcasters making life difficult for you watching games in the pub while celebrating birthdays.

I wasn't actually. I was complaining about the lateness of the announcement.

But yes, the number of broadcasters are a pain, because 5 or 6 matches need to be shown every weekend. Compare that with 2 or 3 in France and England and you can see why it's logistically difficult.

I understand now why you are fooling yourself into thinknig the English clubs would want you in the league; subsidising Ireland!

You make no sense.

ScarletSpiderman wrote: I stepped down so I could deal with them on their own pathetic level, pack mentality of grouping up on a lone poster (Chunky) and then getting uppity when it is fired back at them.

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You needn't have done that.

ScarletSpiderman wrote:Fly, if you remember I had enough of dealing with the bullies on here with the kiddy gloves of being a mod, that is why I stepped down so I could deal with them on their own pathetic level, pack mentality of grouping up on a lone poster (Chunky) and then getting uppity when it is fired back at them.

I shall indeed carry on, and I am sure you will too.  Lets see who back down first.

oh and carry on.....

Lone Poster Chunky, serial Thread creator of endless snipes and growls and sneers?

Grand - you think poor Chunky is a paragon of misunderstood virtue and a victim of bullying if you must.

Many of us will laugh openly at your pasty portrait.  

Chunky enjoys the ride.  He enjoys the bite.  He enjoys his one-liner trademarked critiques - "Shameless", "Pathetic" etc.  His enjoys his repeat Pro12 is a Joke threads.  He enjoys 606 notoriety.  

And many of us enjoy him.  He's the local Scrooge figure - the top hat with a long coat and longer face, moaning about the unfairness of it all that the Regions didn't go ahead and create an Anglo/Welsh League last year when the going was good.

You'll find it's Chunky, if you genuinely cared, that starts these fork fights willingly.  Groan, moan, taunt, accusation, knife-in-the-back from the front etc etc.

In short, you have a bit of a nerve declaring Chunky a poor, oppressed innocent abroad being bullied by the usual pack of Irish wolves.  Chunky himself will snigger at the image.  Chunky too, behind the gruff exterior, has I think a sense of perspective.  He doesn't take himself too seriously.  He enjoys the flash fights and hops away to get on with his day.

All Hail Chunky.

So did we ever get that TV schedule requested by king chunky (inclusive of those matches on subscription TV funded by his tormentors from Dublin 4)?

SecretFly wrote:

ScarletSpiderman wrote:Fly, if you remember I had enough of dealing with the bullies on here with the kiddy gloves of being a mod, that is why I stepped down so I could deal with them on their own pathetic level, pack mentality of grouping up on a lone poster (Chunky) and then getting uppity when it is fired back at them.

I shall indeed carry on, and I am sure you will too.  Lets see who back down first.

oh and carry on.....

Lone Poster Chunky, serial Thread creator of endless snipes and growls and sneers?

Grand - you think poor Chunky is a paragon of misunderstood virtue and a victim of bullying if you must.

Many of us will laugh openly at your pasty portrait.  

Chunky enjoys the ride.  He enjoys the bite.  He enjoys his one-liner trademarked critiques - "Shameless", "Pathetic" etc.  His enjoys his repeat Pro12 is a Joke threads.  He enjoys 606 notoriety.  

And many of us enjoy him.  He's the local Scrooge figure - the top hat with a long coat and longer face, moaning about the unfairness of it all that the Regions didn't go ahead and create an Anglo/Welsh League last year when the going was good.

You'll find it's Chunky, if you genuinely cared, that starts these fork fights willingly.  Groan, moan, taunt, accusation, knife-in-the-back from the front etc etc.

In short, you have a bit of a nerve declaring Chunky a poor, oppressed innocent abroad being bullied by the usual pack of Irish wolves.  Chunky himself will snigger at the image.  Chunky too, behind the gruff exterior, has I think a sense of perspective.  He doesn't take himself too seriously.  He enjoys the flash fights and hops away to get on with his day.

All Hail Chunky.

I really don't give a flying fark about those things, Least of all "notoriety".

You shouldn't throw farks around. You could put someone's eye out.

Chunky Norwich wrote:

ScarletSpiderman wrote: I stepped down so I could deal with them on their own pathetic level, pack mentality of grouping up on a lone poster (Chunky) and then getting uppity when it is fired back at them.

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You needn't have done that.

May be worded wrong. I meant you in this instance, but there have been numerous threads where one or two Welsh fans get swarmed by Irish/Scottish fans for not agreeing with them.

ScarletSpiderman wrote:

May be worded wrong.  I meant you in this instance, but there have been numerous threads where one or two Welsh fans get swarmed by Irish/Scottish fans for not agreeing with them.

"I meant you in this instance, but there have been numerous threads where one or two Welsh fans get swarmed by Irish/Scottish fans for [suggesting they're cheaters, scroungers, leaches, corrupt, deceitful, poorly skilled, biased, a Joke and Pathetic]"

ScarletSpiderman wrote:

SecretFly wrote:

ScarletSpiderman wrote:

SecretFly wrote:

ScarletSpiderman wrote:No7 1/2, if you look Sky have shown.......

From your admittedly unfinished list;
.....

I couldn't find it on the site I was looking at....

That doesn't include any extra Irish games that they'd have shown in the period you didn't cover (three months?)  You include two Welsh but left it 15 for Ireland.

Plus...you could argue that BBC Wales know that I and a lot of my countryman can quite easily watch BBC Wales (and I often DO catch games on BBC Wales, S4C, Alba etc.  All those channels know they are viewable to Irish audiences so why should it be naturally assumed that Sky games can be watched by all Nations (except perhaps Italians) - therefore their money is for all of us - yet somehow only Welsh people can watch the BBC Wales games - therefore their money should really only go to Welsh regions if things were done right?

It doesn't commute.

The only reason I put that list together was because of 7&1/2 making claims that Sky were not interested in any teams other than Munster, Leinster & Glasgow, which is just total and utter tripe.  

I would love to have been able to have put together a full Games Aired By Sky list, but like I say the website/search I did failed to show games in the Oct-Dec window for some reason.  If anyone else can whip up a list I would love to see it.  But as it stands (unfortunately uncompleted)  It would definitely seem that Sky are broadcasting a pretty balanced amount of games from across the main Pro12 nations.  The lesser sides like Connacht, Blues, Dragons, Edinburgh and the Italians seem to be getting less coverage.

BBC Wales/S4C do target the Welsh audience with Welsh games, BBC Alba do target the Scottish audience, BBC NI target Ulster fans etc etc.  If they get extra viewing figures from other nations that is good, however they would not pay to broadcast the games with that in mind.  Sky however, bought into the league to broadcast it to viewers across the whole of Britain and Ireland, and they only did so because the Jeff ditched them and left them with a huge hole in their rugby portfolio.  The interesting thing is that Sky seem to have given the most coverage to teams that are involved in the RCC, which makes sense as they have some rights to that, which would also be the teams most marketable to the English audience.  However that is far from being just the 'big' teams that 7 & 1/2 claimed that Sky were interested in (with fook all evidence to back up his claims).

Sorry but its Munster and Leinster who sell the league to Sky the rest come along. Sky dont spend big money on Sunderland and QPR they come with Arsenal.

Chunky Norwich wrote:

No 7&1/2 wrote:

You were complaining about the number of different broadcasters making life difficult for you watching games in the pub while celebrating birthdays.

I wasn't actually. I was complaining about the lateness of the announcement.

But yes, the number of broadcasters are a pain, because 5 or 6 matches need to be shown every weekend. Compare that with 2 or 3 in France and England and you can see why it's logistically difficult.

I understand now why you are fooling yourself into thinknig the English clubs would want you in the league; subsidising Ireland!

You make no sense.

And not knowing which broadcaster making it difficult to choose pubs. You re fooling yourself if you think the main draw from your league are the Welsh.

SecretFly wrote:

ScarletSpiderman wrote:

May be worded wrong.  I meant you in this instance, but there have been numerous threads where one or two Welsh fans get swarmed by Irish/Scottish fans for not agreeing with them.

"I meant you in this instance, but there have been numerous threads where one or two Welsh fans get swarmed by Irish/Scottish fans for [suggesting they're cheaters, scroungers, leaches, corrupt, deceitful, poorly skilled, biased, a Joke and Pathetic]"

Yep in those instances, and for daring to support their regions during the wru/rrw spat, and during the foxy/bod group sulk. But just focus on the one that makes you look like the victims eh.

No 7&1/2 wrote:

ScarletSpiderman wrote:

SecretFly wrote:

ScarletSpiderman wrote:

SecretFly wrote:

ScarletSpiderman wrote:No7 1/2, if you look Sky have shown.......

From your admittedly unfinished list;
.....

I couldn't find it on the site I was looking at....

That doesn't include any extra Irish games that they'd have shown in the period you didn't cover (three months?)  You include two Welsh but left it 15 for Ireland.

Plus...you could argue that BBC Wales know that I and a lot of my countryman can quite easily watch BBC Wales (and I often DO catch games on BBC Wales, S4C, Alba etc.  All those channels know they are viewable to Irish audiences so why should it be naturally assumed that Sky games can be watched by all Nations (except perhaps Italians) - therefore their money is for all of us - yet somehow only Welsh people can watch the BBC Wales games - therefore their money should really only go to Welsh regions if things were done right?

It doesn't commute.

The only reason I put that list together was because of 7&1/2 making claims that Sky were not interested in any teams other than Munster, Leinster & Glasgow, which is just total and utter tripe.  

I would love to have been able to have put together a full Games Aired By Sky list, but like I say the website/search I did failed to show games in the Oct-Dec window for some reason.  If anyone else can whip up a list I would love to see it.  But as it stands (unfortunately uncompleted)  It would definitely seem that Sky are broadcasting a pretty balanced amount of games from across the main Pro12 nations.  The lesser sides like Connacht, Blues, Dragons, Edinburgh and the Italians seem to be getting less coverage.

BBC Wales/S4C do target the Welsh audience with Welsh games, BBC Alba do target the Scottish audience, BBC NI target Ulster fans etc etc.  If they get extra viewing figures from other nations that is good, however they would not pay to broadcast the games with that in mind.  Sky however, bought into the league to broadcast it to viewers across the whole of Britain and Ireland, and they only did so because the Jeff ditched them and left them with a huge hole in their rugby portfolio.  The interesting thing is that Sky seem to have given the most coverage to teams that are involved in the RCC, which makes sense as they have some rights to that, which would also be the teams most marketable to the English audience.  However that is far from being just the 'big' teams that 7 & 1/2 claimed that Sky were interested in (with fook all evidence to back up his claims).

Sorry but its Munster and Leinster who sell the league to Sky the rest come along. Sky dont spend big money on Sunderland and QPR they come with Arsenal.

Can you back that up with anything? Or are you just going to keep on saying it until we concede?

A full fixture list would help (if anyone can find one), because the parts I managed to put together really don't agree with your argument at all.

As the man said - it's not as simple as that.....

TV rights work on the basis of there being a primary broadcaster who bids for showing the main number of games in the league - 30 in total under the current four-year deal.  

Sky have first pick of the games it shows each week.   The secondary broadcasters get to pick from the rest, with obvious preference for their country's own teams.  Also under the terms of the deal, Sky only get to have the same fixture once e.g. they got Leinster v Ulster, so BBC NI got Ulster v Leinster.   For the most part, Sky also got Saturdays as their primary broadcast day.   TG4, BBC Alba and BBC Wales opted for Friday nights.  S4C wanted Sundays for their games.

BBC NI paid for Ulster’s home and away matches not selected for broadcast by Sky.  And also negotiated for matches that Sky do select to be broadcast live  on BBC Radio Ulster.   Overall, the value of this was limited.

Sky bid 5.5m to be the primary broadcaster under the current deal.   They had an allotted number of matches assigned to them for that.  And they get first pick.   Munster v Ulster was on TG4, and Ulster v Munster on Sky.  Connacht v Scarlets was on Sky, and Scarlets v Connacht went to S4C on a Sunday.

BBC Wales paid X amount (nothing confirmed bar media rumours) to show Y amount of matches - four Welsh teams to choose from after Sky had finished with their pickings each week.   Having paid the most, they likely got second picks with secondary feeds to other broadcasters for some matches that are paid for separately by the broadcasters.   Unsurprising they paid more, since they have a much bigger sports budget than the Irish or Scottish broadcasters.  

TG4 - four teams to choose from with shared/fed games for some matches.  They are a small specialist broadcaster so they couldn't afford to pay much for rights anyway in the face of Sky picking off the premium matches.

BBC Alba the same - only two teams to choose after Sky had finished their pickings for the week, and largely focussed on Scottish team games not picked up by Sky.

Nuvolari - ditto, but are outside the re-distribution frame for the moment.

What's likely to happen for the next deal is that Sky will seek to get rights to even more games.   They'll be opposed by other broadcasters and possibly unions/reps who want to keep some of the games on FTA.

If Sky see enough value, then they may push for an exclusive broadcasting deal with highlights only on other broadcasters and/or split-off feeds for broadcasters such as Nuvolari where they may not have sufficient presence.

The Sky deal was with Celtic Rugby Ltd, in which there are three shareholders currently.   The monies are split to reflect the number of teams each union provides.   The Italians were due to pay over their €1.5m to get a revised 25% share of the company.  However, they don't get the Sky TV income until they do.

The Terrestrial deal was based on a pro-rata input/output share.   Thus if WRU brings more to the table they then get more out of it.  It's estimated they currently get 70-75% of the terrestrial income from all the FTA broadcasters.

There - told you it was simple.

How can I back it up? Its just an acknowledgement Munster etc are the bigger name. They certainly arent subsidised by the Welsh. This started as a pointer to Chunks who was peeved at the numerous channelsz nd the Wru not getting a good enough deal to him now saying hes fine with the tv and the deal subsidises ther est of the sides making out the Welsh are the draw for those that arent: they re not.

No 7&1/2 wrote:How can I back it up? Its just an acknowledgement Munster etc are the bigger name. They certainly arent subsidised by the Welsh. This started as a pointer to Chunks who was peeved at the numerous channelsz nd the Wru not getting a good enough deal to him now saying hes fine with the tv and the deal subsidises ther est of the sides making out the Welsh are the draw for those that arent: they re not.

Much the same as you are doing with your outlandish claim it is the provinces that are the draw (and your fellow Country men backing that the other 'no us, no sky' comments).  The Irish are not the only draw for Sky, you can claim it all you want.  But there is no factual grounds for it, other than delusion and arrogance.



Edit: since when has country been replaced with kumquat? Guessing I had a typo

ScarletSpiderman wrote:

Yep in those instances, and for daring to support their regions during the wru/rrw spat, and during the foxy/bod group sulk.  But just focus on the one that makes you look like the victims eh.

Nobody is talking about 'victims' only you, Scarlet.  You take it all so serious - and in a sense it is - but only in discussionary terms.

BODgate/Gatgate/Foxygate - call it what you want - it brought more passion and excitement to the discussion of Rugby Union than had happened for many many years.  It was being discussed all over the world, by people that didn't even regularly watch rugby at all but somehow knew that something rich in sporting terms was happening somewhere in Australia with a group of folks that called themselves The Lions.

You choose to frown on that and call it a bad day at the office for Rugby and for the hounds on 606 and I'll totally reject that notion.  It was a blast.  It was a ball.  That tour will be remembered for a long time to come and that's what sport and the drama of sport is all about.

So I fully take on responsibility for my little part in Bodgate.  It was a wonderful time on 606.  No victims at all just a lot of gloriously steamed up passions.

Last year in the Euro/WRU/PRL/IRFU/LNR war, that too was what a place like this needs for bloody oxygen.  It was mad and passionate but no Victims.

There is a group here, and there has always been a group here, who have a much too 'tut tut' staid outlook on life.  
No banter allowed - it's much too childish.  
No backbiting needed - we're too educated and serious for such nonsense here.  
No idiots need apply - we have too many statistical experts here to stomach such silliness.
No WUMs - after all they bring the site into disrepute and 'bully' people.

All crap.  The world is Grey enough without facts, figures, teamsheet, and percentage frownsperts ruling the roost here.  But unfortunately, it seems they continually command authority for themselves to judge best what tone this place should have.

SecretFly wrote:

ScarletSpiderman wrote:

Yep in those instances, and for daring to support their regions during the wru/rrw spat, and during the foxy/bod group sulk.  But just focus on the one that makes you look like the victims eh.

Nobody is talking about 'victims' only you, Scarlet.  You take it all so serious - and in a sense it is - but only in discussionary terms.

BODgate/Gatgate/Foxygate - call it what you want - it brought more passion and excitement to the discussion of Rugby Union than had happened for many many years.  It was being discussed all over the world, by people that didn't even regularly watch rugby at all but somehow knew that something rich in sporting terms was happening somewhere in Australia with a group of folks that called themselves The Lions.

You choose to frown on that and call it a bad day at the office for Rugby and for the hounds on 606 and I'll totally reject that notion.  It was a blast.  It was a ball.  That tour will be remembered for a long time to come and that's what sport and the drama of sport is all about.

So I fully take on responsibility for my little part in Bodgate.  It was a wonderful time on 606.  No victims at all just a lot of gloriously steamed up passions.

Last year in the Euro/WRU/PRL/IRFU/LNR war, that too was what a place like this needs for bloody oxygen.  It was mad and passionate but no Victims.

There is a group here, and there has always been a group here, who have a much too 'tut tut' staid outlook on life.  
No banter allowed - it's much too childish.  
No backbiting needed - we're too educated and serious for such nonsense here.  
No idiots need apply - we have too many statistical experts here to stomach such silliness.
No WUMs - after all they bring the site into disrepute and 'bully' people.

All crap.  The world is Grey enough without facts, figures, teamsheet, and percentage frownsperts ruling the roost here.  But unfortunately, it seems they continually command authority for themselves to judge best what tone this place should have.

Your right, so stop getting you underwear knotted when someone sides against the Irish. The whole holier than thou stance you try to go be off every now and again is betrayed by your constant snipes disguised as humour. But that's your right, and I'm sure that there is no force on the earth that would stop you for doing so. So what I don't get is how you can get so knotted up when it is turned back on you.

Anyhoo, as you say, carry on.....

ScarletSpiderman wrote:

No 7&1/2 wrote:How can I back it up? Its just an acknowledgement Munster etc are the bigger name. They certainly arent subsidised by the Welsh. This started as a pointer to Chunks who was peeved at the numerous channelsz nd the Wru not getting a good enough deal to him now saying hes fine with the tv and the deal subsidises ther est of the sides making out the Welsh are the draw for those that arent: they re not.

Much the same as you are doing with your outlandish claim it is the provinces that are the draw (and your fellow Kumquat men backing that the other 'no us, no sky' comments).  The Irish are not the only draw for Sky, you can claim it all you want.  But there is no factual grounds for it, other than delusion and arrogance.

Arrogance about what? I appreciate you will want to watch Scarlets but to the neutral Leinster are more of a draw.

What team do you follow, No 7?

Dont really follow a club. Go to games at Doncaster but from Boro originally. Got into rugby after leaving Boro so never really had a team.

Thanks. Was just thinking that I generally know who follows who but didn't know yours.

I'm just being nosy

No 7&1/2 wrote:

ScarletSpiderman wrote:

No 7&1/2 wrote:How can I back it up? Its just an acknowledgement Munster etc are the bigger name. They certainly arent subsidised by the Welsh. This started as a pointer to Chunks who was peeved at the numerous channelsz nd the Wru not getting a good enough deal to him now saying hes fine with the tv and the deal subsidises ther est of the sides making out the Welsh are the draw for those that arent: they re not.

Much the same as you are doing with your outlandish claim it is the provinces that are the draw (and your fellow Kumquat men backing that the other 'no us, no sky' comments).  The Irish are not the only draw for Sky, you can claim it all you want.  But there is no factual grounds for it, other than delusion and arrogance.

Arrogance about what? I appreciate you will want to watch Scarlets but to the neutral Leinster are more of a draw.

I agree there, so how many more games have Leinster played on Sky? How has Sky's coverage been shown with this in mind? How many more games have Munster/Ulster/Leinster in them compared to the 'lesser' draws of Ospreys/Glasgow/Scarlets (RCC sides, as mentioned in a previous post).

Also did Sky buy the TV rights to air them to the neutrals, or the fans of the Pro12. If the Bbc Wales deal is worth more than the other national deals, then that would suggest there is a larger audience of TV viewers interested in the pro12 in Wales (prob why they don't attend the games, before someone snipes) , which would also suggest that there would be a bigger audience for the Pro12 on Sky in Wales too. These are not facts, just thought out arguments, though

Cardiff Blues v Zebre - no coverage
Connacht v Ospreys - S4C
Edinburgh v Leinster - BBC ALBA
Glasgow Warriors v Ulster - Sky Sports
Munster v Dragons - TG4
Benetton Treviso v Scarlets - BBC2 Wales / Nuvolari

ScarletSpiderman wrote:

The whole holier than thou stance you try to go be off every now and again is betrayed by your constant snipes disguised as humour.  

Anyhoo, as you say, carry on.....

Did I hit the nerve?

Remember, you've given up being a MOD because you couldn't keep a lid on your own passions - and I've never had the 'Holier Than Thou' personality to want to be a MOD in the first place.

No 7&1/2 wrote:

ScarletSpiderman wrote:

No 7&1/2 wrote:How can I back it up? Its just an acknowledgement Munster etc are the bigger name. They certainly arent subsidised by the Welsh. This started as a pointer to Chunks who was peeved at the numerous channelsz nd the Wru not getting a good enough deal to him now saying hes fine with the tv and the deal subsidises ther est of the sides making out the Welsh are the draw for those that arent: they re not.

Much the same as you are doing with your outlandish claim it is the provinces that are the draw (and your fellow Kumquat men backing that the other 'no us, no sky' comments).  The Irish are not the only draw for Sky, you can claim it all you want.  But there is no factual grounds for it, other than delusion and arrogance.

Arrogance about what? I appreciate you will want to watch Scarlets but to the neutral Leinster are more of a draw.

What neutrals ?

There is a reason why BBC Wales/S4C pay more money than any other non PPV channels, it's because more people in Wales watch rugby on the tele compared to other countries, sky have not purchased the rights for the Pro12 to show it to England, they have bought it for the people who already watch it to pay up to keep watching it, and with the hope that they would have extras from another country watching it, so seeing as the most veiwers for the SKY audience will more than likely come from Wales, then I would say the Welsh Public are the main draw for SKY, not Leinster, Munster or Connacht.

Dont know Scarlet, dont know how many times Man U have been on either.

No problem Munchkin.

LordDowlais wrote:

No 7&1/2 wrote:

ScarletSpiderman wrote:

No 7&1/2 wrote:How can I back it up? Its just an acknowledgement Munster etc are the bigger name. They certainly arent subsidised by the Welsh. This started as a pointer to Chunks who was peeved at the numerous channelsz nd the Wru not getting a good enough deal to him now saying hes fine with the tv and the deal subsidises ther est of the sides making out the Welsh are the draw for those that arent: they re not.

Much the same as you are doing with your outlandish claim it is the provinces that are the draw (and your fellow Kumquat men backing that the other 'no us, no sky' comments).  The Irish are not the only draw for Sky, you can claim it all you want.  But there is no factual grounds for it, other than delusion and arrogance.

Arrogance about what? I appreciate you will want to watch Scarlets but to the neutral Leinster are more of a draw.

What neutrals ?

There is a reason why BBC Wales/S4C pay more money than any other non PPV channels, it's because more people in Wales watch rugby on the tele compared to other countries, sky have not purchased the rights for the Pro12 to show it to England, they have bought it for the people who already watch it to pay up to keep watching it, and with the hope that they would have extras from another country watching it, so seeing as the most veiwers for the SKY audience will more than likely come from Wales, then I would say the Welsh Public are the main draw for SKY, not Leinster, Munster or Connacht.

Neutrals like anyone from England with Sky or anyone not supporting 1 of the 2 teams involved in the game.

SecretFly wrote:

ScarletSpiderman wrote:

The whole holier than thou stance you try to go be off every now and again is betrayed by your constant snipes disguised as humour.  

Anyhoo, as you say, carry on.....

Did I hit the nerve?  

Remember, you've given up being a MOD because you couldn't keep a lid on your own passions - and I've never had the 'Holier Than Thou' personality to want to be a MOD in the first place.

Not touched one, but been jumping up and down on them non stop. But that is who you are. Keeping a lid on your passion seems a waste, passion is a vital part of being human.

Let's face it mate, you know you are holier than thou quite often, the same as I know I'm a anglers wet dream (bite more often than not).

LordDowlais wrote: so seeing as the most veiwers for the SKY audience will more than likely come from Wales,

Lordy, Lordy.  That needs numbers to prove itself.  I Strongly Doubt it.  Most people who watch Pro12 on Sky are Welsh?  I strongly doubt that.  But you'll now prove me wrong with official viewing figures around the Nations.

ScarletSpiderman wrote:

Not touched one, but been jumping up and down on them non stop.  But that is who you are.  Keeping a lid on your passion seems a waste, passion is a vital part of being human.

Let's face it mate, you know you are holier than thou quite often, the same as I know I'm a anglers wet dream (bite more often than not).

There you go.  Yet it's only you who do the 'kumquat', 'bumhole', 'arrogant' bull whilst the nerve hitter debates the arguments. You simply don't want to hear arguments that disagrees with your own.  Your personality goes into fury meltdown when someone disagrees with the Welsh viewpoint.  And of course when you don't like the argument, you go to 'bumholes' and 'kumquats' and throw in the 'bully' crap......

But the road is yours Carry on down it. Evade the argument.

No 7&1/2 wrote:

LordDowlais wrote:

No 7&1/2 wrote:

ScarletSpiderman wrote:

No 7&1/2 wrote:How can I back it up? Its just an acknowledgement Munster etc are the bigger name. They certainly arent subsidised by the Welsh. This started as a pointer to Chunks who was peeved at the numerous channelsz nd the Wru not getting a good enough deal to him now saying hes fine with the tv and the deal subsidises ther est of the sides making out the Welsh are the draw for those that arent: they re not.

Much the same as you are doing with your outlandish claim it is the provinces that are the draw (and your fellow Kumquat men backing that the other 'no us, no sky' comments).  The Irish are not the only draw for Sky, you can claim it all you want.  But there is no factual grounds for it, other than delusion and arrogance.

Arrogance about what? I appreciate you will want to watch Scarlets but to the neutral Leinster are more of a draw.

What neutrals ?

There is a reason why BBC Wales/S4C pay more money than any other non PPV channels, it's because more people in Wales watch rugby on the tele compared to other countries, sky have not purchased the rights for the Pro12 to show it to England, they have bought it for the people who already watch it to pay up to keep watching it, and with the hope that they would have extras from another country watching it, so seeing as the most veiwers for the SKY audience will more than likely come from Wales, then I would say the Welsh Public are the main draw for SKY, not Leinster, Munster or Connacht.

Neutrals like anyone from England with Sky or anyone not supporting 1 of the 2 teams involved in the game.

So you would by SKY Sports just to watch Leinster and Munster would you ?

SecretFly wrote:

LordDowlais wrote: so seeing as the most veiwers for the SKY audience will more than likely come from Wales,

Lordy, Lordy.  That needs numbers to prove itself.  I Strongly Doubt it.  Most people who watch Pro12 on Sky are Welsh?  I strongly doubt that.  But you'll now prove me wrong with official viewing figures around the Nations.

SF, rugby is not even in the top three sports watched in Ireland, it is not as popular over there than it is in Wales, everybody eat, sleeps and drinks rugby in Wales, and I bet that Sky looked at how many people watched bbc 2 on a Friday night, which I would assume would be close to over a million people and thought they would buy into that, not buy into how many Leinster or Munster games they could sell to the the English.

Anyway, after all the argie bargie, (and Chunky crying in a corner after being picked on too much ) - it's clear that he should now know what Pub to pick in London to see the game he wants to see so that he can still attend the Birthday Party.

PRO12 - Helping People.

LordDowlais wrote:

No 7&1/2 wrote:

LordDowlais wrote:

No 7&1/2 wrote:

ScarletSpiderman wrote:

No 7&1/2 wrote:How can I back it up? Its just an acknowledgement Munster etc are the bigger name. They certainly arent subsidised by the Welsh. This started as a pointer to Chunks who was peeved at the numerous channelsz nd the Wru not getting a good enough deal to him now saying hes fine with the tv and the deal subsidises ther est of the sides making out the Welsh are the draw for those that arent: they re not.

Much the same as you are doing with your outlandish claim it is the provinces that are the draw (and your fellow Kumquat men backing that the other 'no us, no sky' comments).  The Irish are not the only draw for Sky, you can claim it all you want.  But there is no factual grounds for it, other than delusion and arrogance.

Arrogance about what? I appreciate you will want to watch Scarlets but to the neutral Leinster are more of a draw.

What neutrals ?

There is a reason why BBC Wales/S4C pay more money than any other non PPV channels, it's because more people in Wales watch rugby on the tele compared to other countries, sky have not purchased the rights for the Pro12 to show it to England, they have bought it for the people who already watch it to pay up to keep watching it, and with the hope that they would have extras from another country watching it, so seeing as the most veiwers for the SKY audience will more than likely come from Wales, then I would say the Welsh Public are the main draw for SKY, not Leinster, Munster or Connacht.

Neutrals like anyone from England with Sky or anyone not supporting 1 of the 2 teams involved in the game.

So you would by SKY Sports just to watch Leinster and Munster would you ?

No but Id watch their games as I have sky.

ScarletSpiderman wrote:Fly, if you remember I had enough of dealing with the bullies on here with the kiddy gloves of being a mod, that is why I stepped down so I could deal with them on their own pathetic level, pack mentality of grouping up on a lone poster (Chunky) and then getting uppity when it is fired back at them.

I shall indeed carry on, and I am sure you will too.  Lets see who back down first.

oh and carry on.....

Scarlets, as admirable as your new "fighting for the underdog" persona is, Chunky would be much easier to engage with if he dropped the condescending attitude and stopped trying to get a reaction from other posters. He has been showing up routinely on the Ulster threads to call us thugs, and throw in as many sly digs as possible. LordDowlais is another culprit, but a lot less subtle for obvious reasons. If you think that is acceptable, that is fine, but maybe you can see why Chunky gets the criticism he does. He isn't exactly innocent. He actually makes some good points and is clearly an intelligent guy, but he also knows that he is trying to get a reaction from people. Which is why people do react, obviously..

You may see this as more hypocrisy from the irish (yawn) but it is very clear you (and a few others) have an extremely large chip on your shoulder over the "holier than thou irish" on here, but to be perfectly honest that ship should have sailed long ago. Now it is just extremely immature. Okay, some irish posters have been patronising towards some welsh posters in the past and vice versa. Some irish fans called Liam Williams a thug, what, a year ago? Maybe it is time to move along, drop the victim mentality and, using your words from earlier, engage in "logical and reasonable" discussion.

It works both ways my friend. Time to grow up perhaps, and for everyone to stop flinging mud at each other.

SecretFly wrote:

ScarletSpiderman wrote:

Not touched one, but been jumping up and down on them non stop.  But that is who you are.  Keeping a lid on your passion seems a waste, passion is a vital part of being human.

Let's face it mate, you know you are holier than thou quite often, the same as I know I'm a anglers wet dream (bite more often than not).

There you go.  Yet it's only you who do the 'kumquat', 'bumhole', 'arrogant' bull whilst the nerve hitter debates the arguments. You simply don't want to hear arguments that disagrees with your own.  Your personality goes into fury meltdown when someone disagrees with the Welsh viewpoint.  And of course when you don't like the argument, you go to 'bumholes' and 'kumquats' and throw in the 'bully' crap......

But the road is yours Carry on down it.  Evade the argument.

The kumquat was a typo on country (guess I missed the o out), and bum holes were me trying to be 'cute' and use the muscle name. Which is apparently swear filtered.

Oh you've nailed my personality so well, I'm so glad that you have diagnosed my character flaws for me. Now you've saved me the cost of going to a shrink I can afford to get sky so I can watch the provinces play.

As for evading, I believe I have provided the factual evidence for the argument, to be met with opinion only.

Yes, but you have not purchased sky sports just for them, your target has already been hit, having the Pro12 as well is a nice little bonus for you. Now think how many people in Wales have had to buy Sky Sports to be able to watch more Pro12, I bet their Welsh customers went up quite a bit after they had the rights to show Pro12 games.

Rory_Gallagher wrote:

ScarletSpiderman wrote:Fly, if you remember I had enough of dealing with the bullies on here with the kiddy gloves of being a mod, that is why I stepped down so I could deal with them on their own pathetic level, pack mentality of grouping up on a lone poster (Chunky) and then getting uppity when it is fired back at them.

I shall indeed carry on, and I am sure you will too.  Lets see who back down first.

oh and carry on.....

Scarlets, as admirable as your new "fighting for the underdog" persona is, Chunky would be much easier to engage with if he dropped the condescending attitude and stopped trying to get a reaction from other posters. He has been showing up routinely on the Ulster threads to call us thugs, and throw in as many sly digs as possible. LordDowlais is another culprit, but a lot less subtle for obvious reasons. If you think that is acceptable, that is fine, but maybe you can see why Chunky gets the criticism he does. He isn't exactly innocent. He actually makes some good points and is clearly an intelligent guy, but he also knows that he is trying to get a reaction from people. Which is why people do react, obviously..

You may see this as more hypocrisy from the irish (yawn) but it is very clear you (and a few others) have an extremely large chip on your shoulder over the "holier than thou irish" on here, but to be perfectly honest that ship should have sailed long ago. Now it is just extremely immature. Okay, some irish posters have been patronising towards some welsh posters in the past and vice versa. Some irish fans called Liam Williams a thug, what, a year ago? Maybe it is time to move along, drop the victim mentality and, using your words from earlier, engage in "logical and reasonable" discussion.

It works both ways my friend. Time to grow up perhaps, and for everyone to stop flinging mud at each other.

What obvious reasons would they be then ?

No 7&1/2 wrote:

LordDowlais wrote:

No 7&1/2 wrote:

LordDowlais wrote:

No 7&1/2 wrote:

ScarletSpiderman wrote:

No 7&1/2 wrote:How can I back it up? Its just an acknowledgement Munster etc are the bigger name. They certainly arent subsidised by the Welsh. This started as a pointer to Chunks who was peeved at the numerous channelsz nd the Wru not getting a good enough deal to him now saying hes fine with the tv and the deal subsidises ther est of the sides making out the Welsh are the draw for those that arent: they re not.

Much the same as you are doing with your outlandish claim it is the provinces that are the draw (and your fellow Kumquat men backing that the other 'no us, no sky' comments).  The Irish are not the only draw for Sky, you can claim it all you want.  But there is no factual grounds for it, other than delusion and arrogance.

Arrogance about what? I appreciate you will want to watch Scarlets but to the neutral Leinster are more of a draw.

What neutrals ?

There is a reason why BBC Wales/S4C pay more money than any other non PPV channels, it's because more people in Wales watch rugby on the tele compared to other countries, sky have not purchased the rights for the Pro12 to show it to England, they have bought it for the people who already watch it to pay up to keep watching it, and with the hope that they would have extras from another country watching it, so seeing as the most veiwers for the SKY audience will more than likely come from Wales, then I would say the Welsh Public are the main draw for SKY, not Leinster, Munster or Connacht.

Neutrals like anyone from England with Sky or anyone not supporting 1 of the 2 teams involved in the game.

So you would by SKY Sports just to watch Leinster and Munster would you ?

No but Id watch their games as I have sky.

By the same token wouldn't you watch Edinburgh V Dragons too, seeing as you have Sky?

LordDowlais wrote:

SecretFly wrote:

LordDowlais wrote: so seeing as the most veiwers for the SKY audience will more than likely come from Wales,

Lordy, Lordy.  That needs numbers to prove itself.  I Strongly Doubt it.  Most people who watch Pro12 on Sky are Welsh?  I strongly doubt that.  But you'll now prove me wrong with official viewing figures around the Nations.

SF, rugby is not even in the top three sports watched in Ireland, it is not as popular over there than it is in Wales, everybody eat, sleeps and drinks rugby in Wales, and I bet that Sky looked at how many people watched bbc 2 on a Friday night, which I would assume would be close to over a million people and thought they would buy into that, not buy into how many Leinster or Munster games they could sell to the the English.

That's not an argument you're going to win, LD. Really it's not.

Munchkin, I very much doubt Sky purchased the rights for the Pro12 to sell Leinster and Munster games to the English. Also, you are now going to tell me that rugby is more popular than hurling, Gaelic football and normal football in Ireland ? Because I think you would be telling me porkies.

Is it true that Jerry Flannery's Uncle is the TMO in the Ospreys match this saturday?

Rory_Gallagher wrote:

ScarletSpiderman wrote:Fly, if you remember I had enough of dealing with the bullies on here with the kiddy gloves of being a mod, that is why I stepped down so I could deal with them on their own pathetic level, pack mentality of grouping up on a lone poster (Chunky) and then getting uppity when it is fired back at them.

I shall indeed carry on, and I am sure you will too.  Lets see who back down first.

oh and carry on.....

Scarlets, as admirable as your new "fighting for the underdog" persona is, Chunky would be much easier to engage with if he dropped the condescending attitude and stopped trying to get a reaction from other posters. He has been showing up routinely on the Ulster threads to call us thugs, and throw in as many sly digs as possible. LordDowlais is another culprit, but a lot less subtle for obvious reasons. If you think that is acceptable, that is fine, but maybe you can see why Chunky gets the criticism he does. He isn't exactly innocent. He actually makes some good points and is clearly an intelligent guy, but he also knows that he is trying to get a reaction from people. Which is why people do react, obviously..

You may see this as more hypocrisy from the irish (yawn) but it is very clear you (and a few others) have an extremely large chip on your shoulder over the "holier than thou irish" on here, but to be perfectly honest that ship should have sailed long ago. Now it is just extremely immature. Okay, some irish posters have been patronising towards some welsh posters in the past and vice versa. Some irish fans called Liam Williams a thug, what, a year ago? Maybe it is time to move along, drop the victim mentality and, using your words from earlier, engage in "logical and reasonable" discussion.

It works both ways my friend. Time to grow up perhaps, and for everyone to stop flinging mud at each other.

Im amazed by how many posters are suddenly top rate psychiatrists, glad to see how I have a new persona. Again thank you for the diagnosis.

Let's face it, there has been a rift growing between the Welsh and Irish posters on here for a long time. Neither side are innocent, and both are justified in their points of view. And sadly, both sides have their share of very loud voices. But for there to be peace both sides need to admit the other is not the devil incarnate. And with the sniping, cheap shots, and false voice of reason stuff, it's never going to change.