The Dew Drop Inn Virtual Rugby Pub

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Welcome to the virtual rugby pub - a place where you can come in for a sly beverage and discuss whatever's on your mind, or just eavesdrop on the regulars if you fancy a break from all the rugby chat.

The only rule in this pub is one of mutual respect for everyone in it, oh and no defacing the Tommy Bowe photo on the bar. That's a banning offence

So pull up a chair....what'll it be?

I just discovered there's a place in Canada called Okotoks.

Okotoks. What a great place name, makes me

I'd like to go there.

Swanny if you say it quickly it sounds like a rude word

Well technically they're winning because they're betting first, but you'd like to have a few hundred runs more on the board than that for three wickets.

Maybe in the future it would be something important Hughie. But the point about cost is a good one. Not much money available to the current government. If you are motivated enough you can teach yourself or your kid any language.

You can't perform surgery on yourself, or fight fires, or police the neighborhood. There are other priorities when the budget is very, very tight.

There's another place in Canada called Medicine Hat. That's quite cool

Cari, yes but Welsh is one of the (if not the only) unique things about us. It should not be about defining us as a nation, it should not need to be fought for, it should be a natural thing to be bilingual (at least). You should not have a position where nationalism and the language is coterminous. If we lose Welsh then we may as well be western England. But if we want a mature democracy, then politicians of all colour and persuasion should value and promote the use of the language. We need a Cambrocentric right of centre party. But that's another debate.

hughie1986 wrote:Oh and by the way Staggy, I get the feeling that your just arguing for the sake of it

Thats fair enough Hughie. I can assure you I am not. I really like Irish but I can't agree that making every single school in the entire country entirely Irish speaking is a worthwhile venture. I explained why and they are my reasons. It would be a huge cost and I feel would alienate many parents from the education process. There's nothing antagonistic about it. I'm not trying to change anyone's mind just speaking my own.

I would also agree with Notch that with the right attitude parents can do it themselves. I watched how Glas talks in Welsh to his girl knowing she'll speak English elsewhere. My next door neighbour was an eldery Irish speaker and I used take the time to visit him every week and chat in Irish as a teenager. I got an A1 in Honour Irish as a result.

Cari, it's not long started and while technically they are winning, it's not a good score.

In the future kids won’t be taught using hard copy books, they’ll have laptops, tablet computers etc. the new curriculum would just be downloaded to their worklist and it would be Irish on tap from then on.

Stag, that's why Gaelic is in the pickle it's in. Something else was always the priority. Money was always better spent elsewhere. If you don't do it now, more it will cost or even worse, it will be too late.

Hughie, you are suffering the equivalent of 'Cymro oddi cartre' syndrome. The most fervent of Welshmen is the Welshman away from home.

"Cari, yes but Welsh is one of the (if not the only) unique things about us. It should not be about defining us as a nation..."

My point earlier was, that some DO use it to define being Welsh and thus the nation, which was my response to your earlier question as to the differences between Wales, Scotland and Ireland. As you say though, that is a whole other debate which would go on forever....

Rev - thanks, that makes sense to me now

Aye OK Cari, we were making the same point

But with the level of cuts to basic services in the South, it could be 'too late' for a lot of things. And I mean essential services that save peoples lives. Better to speak English and have good healthcare than Irish and not surely?

Mick thats a very good point and our Irish teacher in school availed of this to great extent. We called Mr. Gavin "Techno Gav". He had fully interactive Irish games and the way Irish was taught made it engaging. From his class many good grades were got and 2 of my mates went onto do a masters in Irish.

Irish needs to be changed up. Its needs a shake up. I can't agree with the proposal though.

CARI - in TEST cricket (as opposed to 1-Day and 20/20 versions) you don’t really need to worry about how many overs have been bowled, so we’ll ignore that

For an Innings to finish (each side gets 2 in a Test match) 10 wickets have to be taken. A good to average innings score in a Test match is around 400 (notwithstanding climate & pitch conditions) So that would work out at 40 per wicket
On that basis, 62 for 3 (wickets) equates to under 21 runs per wicket. Therefore, Sri Lanka hold the upper-hand at the moment and England are under the cosh a bit. Nobody is ‘winning’ in cricket until the game is over

A definition that has been used over the years to ‘educate’ non-crickets –
You have two sides, one out in the field and one in, in the field. Each man that's in the side that's in goes out, and when he's out he comes in and the next man goes in until he's out. When they are all out, the side that's out comes in and the side thats been in goes out and tries to get those coming in, out. Sometimes you get men still in and not out. When a man goes out to go in, the men who are out try to get him out, and when he is out he goes in and the next man in goes out and goes in. There are two men called umpires who stay out all the time and they decide when the men who are in are out. When both sides have been in and all the men are out, and both sides have been out twice after all the men have been in, including those who are not out, that is the end of the game!

It just means they've scored 63, but already had 3 of their 10 batsmen out.

For the record, I don't like Cricket. I don't love it either.

Here's a question. In the future should this place change the name from "606V2" to something in its own right. Its handy now so that people who posted on 606 can join but down the line I think this place doesn't need to be in the shadow of the original 606.

I'm looking forward to a 25 over knockabout over the summer. Our warm up match was cancelled.

I don't like cricket, I love it, but it's unrequited as I am Poopie at it.

Thanks for the explanation Penfro. All I wanted to know is who was winning (or at an advantage as there's no "winning" as such during the game), and the way that scores are stated make little sense to complete non-cricket watchers like me

red_stag wrote:Here's a question. In the future should this place change the name from "606V2" to something in its own right. Its handy now so that people who posted on 606 can join but down the line I think this place doesn't need to be in the shadow of the original 606.

I don't think it matters to most people Staggy. This is just the platform for people to post on. I suppose that's a question for Hero - the founder of this site.

Sri Lanka are at an advantage, but need to press it home and get more wickets and not give their own wickets away and make a big enough score for their ten wickets to try and get England all out again for less runs in aggregate than they had in their one innings or at least for such a small advantage that they will be able to make the runs easily without losing all of their wickets, in which case England will win, but if there is somebody left in at the end it is a draw even if they have not scored as many runs, so it will take four days to actually find out.

Can we change it to The We Dislike Munster Forum? That'll get the punters in

red_stag wrote:Here's a question. In the future should this place change the name from "606V2" to something in its own right. Its handy now so that people who posted on 606 can join but down the line I think this place doesn't need to be in the shadow of the original 606.

BBC own the name 606 don't they? If they decide to relaunch their service in a different form in a few years it could be a problem.

Can we have a section for synchronised lying down? All the Munster posters will...

...hang on, I'm not getting involved in this Rev this time.

Glas a du wrote:Stag, that's why Gaelic is in the pickle it's in. Something else was always the priority. Money was always better spent elsewhere. If you don't do it now, more it will cost or even worse, it will be too late.

Hughie, you are suffering the equivalent of 'Cymro oddi cartre' syndrome. The most fervent of Welshmen is the Welshman away from home.

I wouldnt say that Glas, this is something ive felt passionately about for years now, and it got a real kick up the bum in march when we went to Wales for the Ireland game and on the Sunday morning we were in cardiff and everywhere around there was people speaking Welsh in everyday things, I was so jealous that it doesn't happen in IrelAnd

Glas - isn't synchronised lying down known as "planking" now?

CAR - watch out for a PM in a minute

Hi folks, been on my lunch and just reading back.

I would say that it wouldn't be bad for the Irish to follow the Welsh example to a point when it comes to promoting the language.

In Carmarthenshire anyway when I was growing up; all children in nursery were taught Welsh first. Then they had a choice of what sort of primary school to go to: a fully Welsh one, a bilingual one (I went to one of them) or one that was predomenantly English with I think only Welsh being taught in Welsh (obviously).

You then had a choice of Secondary schools: Fully Welsh or Bilingual.

This ensures that up to the age of 16, all children are learning Welsh to some sort of level, and most should have a basic if not competent understanding.

However Stag makes a point about parents having a factor in a child's learning. I've no doubt that if my Dad had ever bothered when he moved down to Wales, to learn Welsh, I'd be first language Welsh and completely fluent. As it stands he didn't so I never spoke Welsh in the home. Because of this I never practiced it enough, I'm not confident with it, and I never developed the habit of speaking it. I think for some families you can't force the parents to learn as well so you have to give them the choice of what schools their children can go to, because their edcuation can in some cases (obviously not all) suffer if they don't have support from their parents.

Then however you get to the stumbling block which we have in Wales; how to get children speaking Welsh outside of school. That's a question we are still searching for the answer for.

I participate in synchonised lying down most nights. I've also been known to play the 'doubles' format of the sport, on occasion (rare occasions).

Just at City airport ready to fly back now. Antoine Dubek is nowhere to be seen but I digress.

I have made penfros TV guide a sticky as requested - notice to moderators. You all have the ability to make stickies/ unstickies!

Just edit the OP and then go below the send option and you will see options where you can choose sticky, normal or announcement. Just press the relevant button and then send the article as usual

ah cool cheers Hobo, didn't know I could do that!

Dreamer, it was the same for me: my dad was a Welsh speaker, my mum wasn't, so the language spoken at home was English. Unless of course we wanted to talk about my mum

I know that if my dad had spoken Welsh to us rather than English, my Welsh would be much better - the downside is that I'd speak like a Gog!

There was a family that went to my church and both parents were Welsh-speakers; they spoke English at home and sent both their children to an English-language school. Thus two children lost the language when they needn't have done.

Hobo I don't know if the 'my posts' tag line is new or if I just haven't noticed it, however just to say - it's class. Appreciate it a lot.

Hobo wrote:I have made penfros TV guide a sticky as requested :

You are an Have a on me

Ha true Lucky, but speaking like a Gog is better than no Welsh at all

why on earth would they send their children to that school? that's baffling!

My grandparents did the exact opposite with my mam and uncle. Because they themselves never had the chance to learn Welsh at school they were determined their children would be able to, so my mam and uncle went to an entirely welsh secondary school. It's good in a way because they're now so fluent in the language still, but my mam found it v hard to learn maths and the science subject in Welsh, just because of the vocab used in those subjects, you'd never use it anywhere else. Plus then she couldn't get any help from her parents with homework as they couldn't understand any of it. Tis interesting what different families do....

Has anyone been watchinf ESPN classic lately?? They are doing a series of documentaries at the minute called 30 for 30 mainly based on American sport, but with a fantastically different view on things, like one made by Ice Cube on the correlation between the rise of gangster rap and the popularity of the LA Raiders. It's a really well done series

Science shouldn't have been too much trouble, should it? Lots of terms and elements are so similar to the English. Or more accurately, similar to the Latin. It annoys me that 'Stadiwm y Mileniwm' makes Welsh look like pidgin English, but stadium and millennium are Latin words.

PenfroPete wrote:CAR - watch out for a PM in a minute

Duly replied Penfro

I think Lucky it was more due to the fact that they never spoke Welsh at home, so any Welsh they were learning at school was doubly hard for them to start with. Then add to the fact that even if some of the terms used in science were similar to the English (or Latin) a lot of it was still different from say conversational Welsh which when learning at school is much easier to pick up. That's how I see it anyway, can't really comment on it though as I didn't learn anything through the medium of Welsh in secondary school myself (apart from the obvious).

Nadal up 2-1 in the first set against Murray by the way

3-1 nadal now

3 set win for Nadal I reckon Hughie. Dim Problem.

I went to an Irish primary school. I firmly believe that this has helped me in speaking other languages(I can speak decent enough French and German). The teaching in primary schools isn't too bad. I thought that the majority of our teachers were quite decent. However secondary school is where it starts to make a difference. I knew fellas from other primary schools who came into 1st year with fairly decent Irish. However the teacher I had up until 3rd year only spoke Irish in the class. While I managed to do great in the exam (as did fellow colleagues of mine from the primary school) others struggled. The students simply couldn't understand her and I was used as a translator half the time. I think that the use of interactive teaching could be used. Also more creative things. For instance one stage each one of us had to write a love poem in Irish. While it was a difficult task everyone learned something and enjoyed it.(That was in 4th year btw)

Lucky, I know what you mean. Dara O’Briain was on Jonathon Ross and they discussed speaking Irish, Ross asked him if there are Irish equivalents of modern English words like telephone. Dara said, yes of course there are, we say telefón but then that’s a Greek word anyway. You could say English is a pidgin version of Latin and Greek mixed!

Tooth music (cerdd dant) from the Urdd Eisteddfod on the box. It must sound bonkers to outsiders. In fact 'one song to the tune of another' on 'I'm sorry I haven't a clue' is the only thing I've heard similar, but they don't sing poetry and start at the same time.

4-1 nadal

In Wales we say teleffon too!

What's sushi in English?

I don't care how hot it is, but no man should be walking around in a vest and sandals.

Our HR department gave everyone at work today either a Cornetto or a Magnum It was GOOD!!