Summer Transfer Window Thread 15/16

by **Crimey** Tue 26 May 2015, 16:57

First topic message reminder :

Now the season is over, the rumours begin!

Milner/Ings to Liverpool seems likely.
Benitez to Real Madrid, Bale staying.
Falcao is desperate to move to Chelsea.
Otamendi and Dani Alves to Manchester United.
Raheem Sterling to Arsenal

What else?

by Fernando Sun 05 Jul 2015, 21:53

Ive seen many bemused things in my time here but there is not a chance in hell Matty Phillips > Stewart Downing. Apart from a strike against Palace. He's been very mediocre.

by **Good Golly I'm Olly** Sun 05 Jul 2015, 21:55

Downing would be a good signing for about 12 teams in the Prem - great coup for Boro

by Guest Sun 05 Jul 2015, 21:59

Better long term option & was actually QPR's best player last year with countless assists & great wing play. Can see the lad improving too & why would we pay over the odds for Downing, the 31 year old in decline. Glad Pulis is in charge & not you.

by Nakatomi Plaza Sun 05 Jul 2015, 22:04

Downing performed better last season than Phillips. Phillips ended the season stronger, so that's probably fresh in people's minds.

by GSC Sun 05 Jul 2015, 22:05

Matty Phillips is extremely average

by **Mat** Sun 05 Jul 2015, 22:06

Phillips will be a good signing, and is probably a better fit for what we want, but I think Downing is a better player. Proven pedigree at this level over a number of years, something Phillips doesn't. Do think we are paying over the odds for Phillips too.

I know West Ham dropped off second half of the season, but Downing was one of their better players in that good 6 months at the start wasn't he Dolph? (admittedly playing more centrally)

by **Good Golly I'm Olly** Sun 05 Jul 2015, 22:06

Nakatomi Plaza wrote:Downing performed better last season than Phillips. Phillips ended the season stronger, so that's probably fresh in people's minds.

Indeed - Phillips is decent on his day, but that day is often few and far between. He's worth a punt at a reasonable price tho

by Fernando Sun 05 Jul 2015, 22:07

LiamB wrote:Better long term option & was actually QPR's best player last year with countless assists & great wing play. Can see the lad improving too & why would we pay over the odds for Downing, the 31 year old in decline. Glad Pulis is in charge & not you.

Considering i have you guys down for the bottom 3 this year im glad you are signing him Smile

He's just an up to date Tom Ince more suitable to the Championship then anything. angel

by **Mat** Sun 05 Jul 2015, 22:09

Fernando wrote:
LiamB wrote:Better long term option & was actually QPR's best player last year with countless assists & great wing play. Can see the lad improving too & why would we pay over the odds for Downing, the 31 year old in decline. Glad Pulis is in charge & not you.

Considering i have you guys down for the bottom 3 this year im glad you are signing him He's just an up to date Tom Ince more suitable to the Championship then anything.

You can have that bet with me mate!

by Guest Sun 05 Jul 2015, 22:10

GSC wrote:Matty Phillips is extremely average

He's improving all the time, had the most Premier league assists in 2015 too & scored some great goals. Hardly average. He's a winger, so they are all inconsistent, even the greats, so to label him average is ridiculous, given his impressive showing last year. Downing is a good player, but he's ageing, we need long term options, not a quick fix for 12 months & then for him to turn around crying & asking to move up north.

by Fernando Sun 05 Jul 2015, 22:17

Mat wrote:
Fernando wrote:
LiamB wrote:Better long term option & was actually QPR's best player last year with countless assists & great wing play. Can see the lad improving too & why would we pay over the odds for Downing, the 31 year old in decline. Glad Pulis is in charge & not you.

Considering i have you guys down for the bottom 3 this year im glad you are signing him He's just an up to date Tom Ince more suitable to the Championship then anything.

You can have that bet with me mate!

£5 or a bag of skittles Whistle

I wonder if Mysti donated his bag of Skittles & a Mango Laugh

by GSC Sun 05 Jul 2015, 22:24

Fernando wrote:
LiamB wrote:Better long term option & was actually QPR's best player last year with countless assists & great wing play. Can see the lad improving too & why would we pay over the odds for Downing, the 31 year old in decline. Glad Pulis is in charge & not you.

Considering i have you guys down for the bottom 3 this year im glad you are signing him He's just an up to date Tom Ince more suitable to the Championship then anything.

He was Inces sidekick oddly enough.

by Fernando Sun 05 Jul 2015, 22:28

GSC wrote:
Fernando wrote:
LiamB wrote:Better long term option & was actually QPR's best player last year with countless assists & great wing play. Can see the lad improving too & why would we pay over the odds for Downing, the 31 year old in decline. Glad Pulis is in charge & not you.

Considering i have you guys down for the bottom 3 this year im glad you are signing him He's just an up to date Tom Ince more suitable to the Championship then anything.

He was Inces sidekick oddly enough.

That's all he's good enough to be so shall be stand out for West Brom unless he sense of wanting to achieve something in his career and holds out for a better club Whistle

by **Dolphin Ziggler** Sun 05 Jul 2015, 23:10

Downing was excellent the first half of the season, he had a better first half to the season than Coutinho did second half but finishing strong and being a Liverpool player meant plaudits would only go to one.

However, it's been long known Downing wanted to leave this summer. The funny thing is the fact he has seemingly turned down Sunderland twice and will go to Boro. I know they're his club, but they're in the Champ, it's a Euros season and they're close enough for him to be near family. Think it shows a lot for the fallen reputation of Sunderland.

Downing is also a far better player than Phillips, and probably has 2 or 3 years in him, but Phillips does have room to improve, will not face physical decline and will keep some value in case he needs selling. Probably on a lot less wages too. £10m I've heard for Phillips though, seems steep.

by Azzy Mon 06 Jul 2015, 11:19

GSC wrote:Matty Phillips is extremely average

That's being kind. If he's a £8m player then break out the piggy bank, Paul Pogba is a £300m player.

by **hampo17** Mon 06 Jul 2015, 12:33

LiamB wrote:
GSC wrote:Matty Phillips is extremely average

He's improving all the time, had the most Premier league assists in 2015 too & scored some great goals. Hardly average. He's a winger, so they are all inconsistent, even the greats, so to label him average is ridiculous, given his impressive showing last year. Downing is a good player, but he's ageing, we need long term options, not a quick fix for 12 months & then for him to turn around crying & asking to move up north.

A quick google search would prove you wrong Liam.

http://www.worldfootball.net/assists/eng-premier-league-2014-2015/

Phillips had 8 assists, the same as Downing.

by Guest Mon 06 Jul 2015, 12:45

You're stupid. Clearly stated Matty Phillips had the most assists in 2015, from January 1st to the season end. picard

by **hampo17** Mon 06 Jul 2015, 12:59

LiamB wrote:You're stupid. Clearly stated Matty Phillips had the most assists in 2015, from January 1st to the season end.

So, I showed you a fact and you turn to insults. How old are you? 11? Grow up, you petulant little child. Facts are facts, Downing had more assists and more goals than your new favourite player.

by Guest Mon 06 Jul 2015, 13:04

You showed me a fact about the entire season 14/15, when my original point was about who had the most assists during 2015.

erm, you also stated downing had equal assists to Phillips (8), but now claiming Downing had more assists, which is it?

Phillips is not my favourite player at all, just would prefer him to the ageing Downing, as it's a better long term option & he will only improve. That is all.

by **hampo17** Mon 06 Jul 2015, 13:05

LiamB wrote:You showed me a fact about the entire season 14/15, when my original point was about who had the most assists during 2015.

erm, you also stated downing had equal assists to Phillips (8), but now claiming Downing had more assists, which is it?

Phillips is not my favourite player at all, just would prefer him to the ageing Downing, as it's a better long term option & he will only improve. That is all.

Apologies, same assists but more goals. Still doesn't excuse any insults mate, remember the house rule - treat others as you want to be treated yourself. I know you've been told in the past because I told you.

You judge players over a full season to get a full picture, pointless judging someone over a shorter period because they were in form which is clearly what you're doing.

by Guest Mon 06 Jul 2015, 13:11

Phillips didn't break into the QPR side until January onwards, played very little or was starved of opportunities under the clueless Redknapp, that's why you can't judge Phillips over the entire season.

by Marky Mon 06 Jul 2015, 13:35

LiamB wrote:Phillips didn't break into the QPR side until January onwards, played very little or was starved of opportunities under the clueless Redknapp, that's why you can't judge Phillips over the entire season.

Maybe he wasn't good enough to break into the side Whistle

by GSC Mon 06 Jul 2015, 13:39

He didn't break into the QPR side because he was painfully average in a lower division and didn't earn a starting spot.

by **Good Golly I'm Olly** Mon 06 Jul 2015, 13:57

It appears RVW is on his way back to sporting Lisbon Sad

by Azzy Mon 06 Jul 2015, 14:02

GSC wrote:He didn't break into the QPR side because he was painfully average in a lower division and didn't earn a starting spot.

This. Redknapp is well known for giving players a chance if they're ready - and sometimes even when they're not, like Taarabt. Fact is, Phillips was bought for a considerable sum, failed to deliver, and only came into the side when QPR were basically down and their new manager (the dream coach...) was looking to make his mark.

For £8m I'd rather keep our money and play the £5m winger we've already bought and not played (McManaman).

by wheelchair1991 Mon 06 Jul 2015, 15:01

Nani officially has left us and Rafeal seemingly is on his way too

by Geordie Mon 06 Jul 2015, 15:28

Well it would appear we are in serious talks for:

PSV Captain Wijnaldum
Charlie Austin,
Florian Thauvin : Winger...not sure why when its defenders that are priority
Joel Matip Centre Back / DM - Cameroon International at Schalke

Oh and another player potentially coming in is 19-year-old Northampton Town striker Ivan Toney for £300,000?

by Ent Mon 06 Jul 2015, 16:01

Fed up with us getting crap money for players.

Only we could get 4.25 million for a guy with 12 goals and 8 assists in 37 games last season - when he has 3 years left on his deal.

by GSC Mon 06 Jul 2015, 16:15

The clubs are also taking on their inflated wages

by Ent Mon 06 Jul 2015, 16:45

Shifting the wage bill is a good thing, but we will just end up paying that to someone else.

I'd say he'd have cost another club 3 times as much minimum of we didn't on him.

Well do the same with all our other sales this summer, just annoying.

by GSC Mon 06 Jul 2015, 16:52

Ent wrote:Shifting the wage bill is a good thing, but we will just end up paying that to someone else.

Yeah that's kinda the point.

by Azzy Mon 06 Jul 2015, 18:03

Ent wrote:Fed up with us getting crap money for players.

Only we could get 4.25 million for a guy with 12 goals and 8 assists in 37 games last season - when he has 3 years left on his deal.

When the players are crap, they're going to fetch crap returns.

by Hammersmith harrier Mon 06 Jul 2015, 19:03

Nani isn't crap, far from it and I do agree with Ent, we should have got far more for him and he is significantly better than Matty Phillips who looks set to be sold for double.

by GSC Mon 06 Jul 2015, 19:18

Phillips doesn't have 3 years left on a contract that pays him in excess of 100k a week either. That's why the prices are low, clubs have to take on similar salaries and know United are keen to shed them.

by **Dolphin Ziggler** Mon 06 Jul 2015, 19:29

And they know United are flush as hell so not desperate for the pennies

by Guest Mon 06 Jul 2015, 20:24

Arda Turan to join Barcelona for £29m. I don't get that signing in all honesty.

by Fernando Mon 06 Jul 2015, 20:25

I guess Pedro is off..

by Guest Mon 06 Jul 2015, 20:27

Expensive deal for a player that isn't top quality. By the time he can play, he'll be 29 too.

by **Dolphin Ziggler** Mon 06 Jul 2015, 20:39

Seems odd. How many games is he getting behind that front three?

by GSC Mon 06 Jul 2015, 20:49

Playing behind the top 3 is more likely.

by **Dolphin Ziggler** Mon 06 Jul 2015, 20:51

Jenkinson on loan again is all but done, seems that Song might be injured so we wont be signing him quite yet.

by **Crimey** Mon 06 Jul 2015, 22:27

Also with the Turan deal, Barcelona can send him back to Atletico if they end up electing a new president.

by Ent Mon 06 Jul 2015, 23:49

GSC wrote:
Ent wrote:Shifting the wage bill is a good thing, but we will just end up paying that to someone else.

Yeah that's kinda the point.

Still big losses when you break even on wages and lose on fees.

by Azzy Tue 07 Jul 2015, 09:29

Hammersmith harrier wrote:Nani isn't crap, far from it and I do agree with Ent, we should have got far more for him and he is significantly better than Matty Phillips who looks set to be sold for double.

My 6 year old son is significantly better than Matty Phillips, and would cost £7,999,999 less. Gets injured far less frequently too.

by Guest Tue 07 Jul 2015, 10:01

Agreed that we should have got more for Nani, but thats what happens when you have an inept moron Woodward handling transfers who can't negotiate for cr@p. Also we had to let them have a lesser fee so that they could afford his wages after that joke of a contract Moyes gave him

by Ent Tue 07 Jul 2015, 10:02

Think Woodward gets a rough deal, managed to bring in di maria.

This window is very frustrating though.

Need a centre half, cm and right back still.

by MIG Tue 07 Jul 2015, 10:10

Think I've heard the best rumour of the summer so far this morning.
German paper suggesting Bayern are ready to offer Muller, Robben and cash for Di Maria.

by Guest Tue 07 Jul 2015, 10:35

Ent wrote:This window is very frustrating though.

Quit complaining, it could be a lot worse.

by Guest Tue 07 Jul 2015, 10:45

Perfectly understandable to clear the wage bill, before bringing in the replacements. It's only a week into the window being open.

@Azzy, you do know that Matty Phillips is going to be a hit at Albion after your constant criticism.

Iker Casillas has an offer from Porto on the table & Kevin Nolan is pondering a move back to Bolton

by Guest Tue 07 Jul 2015, 11:16

Southampton have signed the FC Twente defender Cuco Martina

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