Pro 12 attendances

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Good article here:

http://www.cardiffrfcfans.co.uk/editorials/some-stats-on-the-pro12-2014-15-season/

SecretFly wrote:

LordDowlais wrote: the 32M that chunky is quoting is not the end of it, the Irish players are getting more money on top of that figure so perhaps the provinces are spending as much as the French on wages. Read here if you do not want to believe me:-

Lord you're forgetting that the Regions too will allegedly have more income (being allegedly private concerns) than only WRU. Yes?

So, anyone know if Ospreys publish their accounts?

There is a salary cap in Wales, the regions are not allowed to spend more than 3.5 million on wages.

Chunky Norwich wrote:

LordDowlais wrote:The provinces spend more money on wages than the IRFU quote in their overall spend.FACT.

Of course they do. Because the IRFU doesn't pay for all the players on the 4 provinces books.

So you break that £32m down. Lets say 2m is paid for coaches. That leaves 30m. Now it is not evenly split, as Connacht are a development team. So you're looking at alot of money distributed to the big 3. The on top of that you have the provinces spending circa 2.5m Euros on non RFU fned players. Those wage levels are comparable with big spending French and English clubs.

But, no, no this desn't happen and they are all on £4.5m

Why are you making up figures? If no one has these figures why debate it to this detail?

LordDowlais wrote:

SecretFly wrote:

LordDowlais wrote: the 32M that chunky is quoting is not the end of it, the Irish players are getting more money on top of that figure so perhaps the provinces are spending as much as the French on wages. Read here if you do not want to believe me:-

Lord you're forgetting that the Regions too will allegedly have more income (being allegedly private concerns) than only WRU. Yes?

So, anyone know if Ospreys publish their accounts?

There is a salary cap in Wales, the regions are not allowed to spend more than 3.5 million on wages.

Same must go for Saracens and Bath then.

rodders wrote:

LordDowlais wrote:The provinces spend more money on wages than the IRFU quote in their overall spend.FACT.

This is a fact - but it is still considerably less than the top English and French clubs and less than the Ospreys a few years ago.

So what exactly is the debate here?

It's that money buys trophies.... and Chunky actually likes the idea - and sees Pro12 as being incapable of generating enough of it for his team.

No 7&1/2 wrote:

LordDowlais wrote:

SecretFly wrote:

LordDowlais wrote: the 32M that chunky is quoting is not the end of it, the Irish players are getting more money on top of that figure so perhaps the provinces are spending as much as the French on wages. Read here if you do not want to believe me:-

Lord you're forgetting that the Regions too will allegedly have more income (being allegedly private concerns) than only WRU. Yes?

So, anyone know if Ospreys publish their accounts?

There is a salary cap in Wales, the regions are not allowed to spend more than 3.5 million on wages.

Same must go for Saracens and Bath then.

It is a lot more strict in Wales, that is why we have seen our best players go to England and France. We cannot afford to spend anywhere near the salary cap in Wales.

LordDowlais wrote:

SecretFly wrote:

LordDowlais wrote: the 32M that chunky is quoting is not the end of it, the Irish players are getting more money on top of that figure so perhaps the provinces are spending as much as the French on wages. Read here if you do not want to believe me:-

Lord you're forgetting that the Regions too will allegedly have more income (being allegedly private concerns) than only WRU. Yes?

So, anyone know if Ospreys publish their accounts?

There is a salary cap in Wales, the regions are not allowed to spend more than 3.5 million on wages.

Oh everyone obeys orders in Wales?

Do Ospreys publish accounts?

LordDowlais wrote:

It is a lot more strict in Wales, that is why we have seen our best players go to England and France. We cannot afford to spend anywhere near the salary cap in Wales.

Strange that they don't come over to Loaded with Salary Cash Ireland?

No 7&1/2 wrote:

Chunky Norwich wrote:

LordDowlais wrote:The provinces spend more money on wages than the IRFU quote in their overall spend.FACT.

Of course they do. Because the IRFU doesn't pay for all the players on the 4 provinces books.

So you break that £32m down. Lets say 2m is paid for coaches. That leaves 30m. Now it is not evenly split, as Connacht are a development team. So you're looking at alot of money distributed to the big 3. The on top of that you have the provinces spending circa 2.5m Euros on non RFU fned players. Those wage levels are comparable with big spending French and English clubs.

But, no, no this desn't happen and they are all on £4.5m

Why are you making up figures? If no one has these figures why debate it to this detail?

The figure is 32m. But the Irish are too scared to disect it.

SecretFly wrote:

LordDowlais wrote:

SecretFly wrote:

LordDowlais wrote: the 32M that chunky is quoting is not the end of it, the Irish players are getting more money on top of that figure so perhaps the provinces are spending as much as the French on wages. Read here if you do not want to believe me:-

Lord you're forgetting that the Regions too will allegedly have more income (being allegedly private concerns) than only WRU. Yes?

So, anyone know if Ospreys publish their accounts?

There is a salary cap in Wales, the regions are not allowed to spend more than 3.5 million on wages.

Oh everyone obeys orders in Wales?

Do Ospreys publish accounts?

Of course they do. Go look them up if you want to see them.

LordDowlais wrote:

SecretFly wrote:

LordDowlais wrote: the 32M that chunky is quoting is not the end of it, the Irish players are getting more money on top of that figure so perhaps the provinces are spending as much as the French on wages. Read here if you do not want to believe me:-

Lord you're forgetting that the Regions too will allegedly have more income (being allegedly private concerns) than only WRU. Yes?

So, anyone know if Ospreys publish their accounts?

There is a salary cap in Wales, the regions are not allowed to spend more than 3.5 million on wages.

This is just about to change apaprently. Whether it will be raised slightly or scrapped I do not know.

sooo to sum this tread up. great news attendances are on the rise in the Pro12.

Chunky Norwich wrote:

No 7&1/2 wrote:

Chunky Norwich wrote:

LordDowlais wrote:The provinces spend more money on wages than the IRFU quote in their overall spend.FACT.

Of course they do. Because the IRFU doesn't pay for all the players on the 4 provinces books.

So you break that £32m down. Lets say 2m is paid for coaches. That leaves 30m. Now it is not evenly split, as Connacht are a development team. So you're looking at alot of money distributed to the big 3. The on top of that you have the provinces spending circa 2.5m Euros on non RFU fned players. Those wage levels are comparable with big spending French and English clubs.

But, no, no this desn't happen and they are all on £4.5m

Why are you making up figures? If no one has these figures why debate it to this detail?

The figure is 32m. But the Irish are too scared to disect it.

You're making up the detail beneath this. 2 mil to coaches; where does it say this. You're guessing, plucking it from thin air. Everything after that is flawed.

SecretFly wrote:It's that money buys trophies

No it does not, but it certainly helps, especially when you can pay huge sums for the likes of Rocky Elsom to play for a few months, or have players like Peinnar and Howlett and Contepomi amongst others.

Chunky Norwich wrote:

The figure is 32m. But the Irish are too scared to disect it.

3M more than WRU figure - but owning 4 Provinces unlike WRU.

You dissect it. You give your lowdown on how we might be doing the loaves and fishes.

SecretFly wrote:

LordDowlais wrote:

It is a lot more strict in Wales, that is why we have seen our best players go to England and France. We cannot afford to spend anywhere near the salary cap in Wales.

Strange that they don't come over to Loaded with Salary Cash Ireland?

No you spend your monies on keeping your best players at home and a few very high paid SH stars. Let me just add though, there is nothing wrong with what is going on in Ireland, I wish it would happen in Wales, but I am just pointing out a few facts when the mafia are starting to circle around Chunky.

No 7&1/2 wrote:

Chunky Norwich wrote:

No 7&1/2 wrote:

Chunky Norwich wrote:

LordDowlais wrote:The provinces spend more money on wages than the IRFU quote in their overall spend.FACT.

Of course they do. Because the IRFU doesn't pay for all the players on the 4 provinces books.

So you break that £32m down. Lets say 2m is paid for coaches. That leaves 30m. Now it is not evenly split, as Connacht are a development team. So you're looking at alot of money distributed to the big 3. The on top of that you have the provinces spending circa 2.5m Euros on non RFU fned players. Those wage levels are comparable with big spending French and English clubs.

But, no, no this desn't happen and they are all on £4.5m

Why are you making up figures? If no one has these figures why debate it to this detail?

The figure is 32m. But the Irish are too scared to disect it.

You're making up the detail beneath this. 2 mil to coaches; where does it say this. You're guessing, plucking it from thin air. Everything after that is flawed.

So what you're sayign is we can't dicuss it because we haven't got the players payslips infront of us.

If the figure rises to 100m next year - we still can't discuss it because we haven't got the players payslips infront of us.

Chunky Norwich wrote:

No 7&1/2 wrote:

Chunky Norwich wrote:

No 7&1/2 wrote:

Chunky Norwich wrote:

LordDowlais wrote:The provinces spend more money on wages than the IRFU quote in their overall spend.FACT.

Of course they do. Because the IRFU doesn't pay for all the players on the 4 provinces books.

So you break that £32m down. Lets say 2m is paid for coaches. That leaves 30m. Now it is not evenly split, as Connacht are a development team. So you're looking at alot of money distributed to the big 3. The on top of that you have the provinces spending circa 2.5m Euros on non RFU fned players. Those wage levels are comparable with big spending French and English clubs.

But, no, no this desn't happen and they are all on £4.5m

Why are you making up figures? If no one has these figures why debate it to this detail?

The figure is 32m. But the Irish are too scared to disect it.

You're making up the detail beneath this. 2 mil to coaches; where does it say this. You're guessing, plucking it from thin air. Everything after that is flawed.

So what you're sayign is we can't dicuss it because we haven't got the players payslips infront of us.

If the figure rises to 100m next year - we still can't discuss it because we haven't got the players payslips infront of us.

I'm saying you're making stuff up to 'prove' your point.

LordDowlais wrote:

SecretFly wrote:It's that money buys trophies

No it does not, but it certainly helps, especially when you can pay huge sums for the likes of Rocky Elsom to play for a few months, or have players like Peinnar and Howlett and Contepomi amongst others.

Great lads one and all. Pity the Welsh boys that wanted more money didn't come join them and instead chose France (obviously) and even the much poorer paid AP teams.

Even bloody Jamie Roberts snubbed us for Less Pay.

LordDowlais wrote:

SecretFly wrote:It's that money buys trophies

No it does not, but it certainly helps, especially when you can pay huge sums for the likes of Rocky Elsom to play for a few months, or have players like Peinnar and Howlett and Contepomi amongst others.

Do you rememebr when Leinster had a lock injury crisis? What did they do? They signed Brad Thorne for 3 months who had just won the world cup. He started in the HC final. But no, no, they only have £4.5m to spend on players.

SecretFly wrote:Even bloody Jamie Roberts snubbed us for Less Pay.

But you've filled your NIQ quotas now, you would not be able to have him anyway.

No 7&1/2 wrote:

Chunky Norwich wrote:

No 7&1/2 wrote:

Chunky Norwich wrote:

No 7&1/2 wrote:

Chunky Norwich wrote:

LordDowlais wrote:The provinces spend more money on wages than the IRFU quote in their overall spend.FACT.

Of course they do. Because the IRFU doesn't pay for all the players on the 4 provinces books.

So you break that £32m down. Lets say 2m is paid for coaches. That leaves 30m. Now it is not evenly split, as Connacht are a development team. So you're looking at alot of money distributed to the big 3. The on top of that you have the provinces spending circa 2.5m Euros on non RFU fned players. Those wage levels are comparable with big spending French and English clubs.

But, no, no this desn't happen and they are all on £4.5m

Why are you making up figures? If no one has these figures why debate it to this detail?

The figure is 32m. But the Irish are too scared to disect it.

You're making up the detail beneath this. 2 mil to coaches; where does it say this. You're guessing, plucking it from thin air. Everything after that is flawed.

So what you're sayign is we can't dicuss it because we haven't got the players payslips infront of us.

If the figure rises to 100m next year - we still can't discuss it because we haven't got the players payslips infront of us.

I'm saying you're making stuff up to 'prove' your point.

And I'm saying that because the 32m isn't broken down further ANYWHERE - the only way to do it is for us to do it. Unless you don't want to talk about rugby, and we can talk about movies instead.

It's very convenient way of dodging the issue....."Can't see it - so it isnt happenning".

LordDowlais wrote:

rodders wrote:So what exactly is the debate here?

That the Irish provinces work on the same or higher budget than the English salary cap, isn't it ?

I would argue that the Irish provinces spend closer to the French salary cap with all the private investment they are getting, along with the money from the IRFU.

Yes but you'd be wrong if you argued it.

LordDowlais wrote:but I am just pointing out a few facts when the mafia are starting to circle around Chunky.

Your point out many 'facts' on other threads too, even when Chunky ain't around and the topic isn't Irish rugby....

Anyway, I always giggle when I hear how poor Chunky is being surrounded by the redskins, with only his covered wagon to protect him and his children from a scalpin'.

Chunky himself strolls into Injin country, fires his rifle to let them know he's there, and calls them muck-raking savages when they show up in their hundreds.....  poor Chunky.  He needs to be quieter if he's looking for a safe passage through.

Chunky Norwich wrote:

No 7&1/2 wrote:

Chunky Norwich wrote:

No 7&1/2 wrote:

Chunky Norwich wrote:

No 7&1/2 wrote:

Chunky Norwich wrote:

LordDowlais wrote:The provinces spend more money on wages than the IRFU quote in their overall spend.FACT.

Of course they do. Because the IRFU doesn't pay for all the players on the 4 provinces books.

So you break that £32m down. Lets say 2m is paid for coaches. That leaves 30m. Now it is not evenly split, as Connacht are a development team. So you're looking at alot of money distributed to the big 3. The on top of that you have the provinces spending circa 2.5m Euros on non RFU fned players. Those wage levels are comparable with big spending French and English clubs.

But, no, no this desn't happen and they are all on £4.5m

Why are you making up figures? If no one has these figures why debate it to this detail?

The figure is 32m. But the Irish are too scared to disect it.

You're making up the detail beneath this. 2 mil to coaches; where does it say this. You're guessing, plucking it from thin air. Everything after that is flawed.

So what you're sayign is we can't dicuss it because we haven't got the players payslips infront of us.

If the figure rises to 100m next year - we still can't discuss it because we haven't got the players payslips infront of us.

I'm saying you're making stuff up to 'prove' your point.

And I'm saying that because the 32m isn't broken down further ANYWHERE - the only way to do it is for us to do it. Unless you don't want to talk about rugby, and we can talk about movies instead.

It's very convenient way of dodging the issue....."Can't see it  - so it isnt happenning".

Fair enough then, but you're still making up numbers to suit yourself. It's not based on anything factual. Why 2 mil and not 10 mil? It's still a figure plucked from nowhere.

rodders wrote:Yes but you'd be wrong if you argued it.

Would I ? Where is your proof that I would be wrong ?

Chunky Norwich wrote:

LordDowlais wrote:

SecretFly wrote:It's that money buys trophies

No it does not, but it certainly helps, especially when you can pay huge sums for the likes of Rocky Elsom to play for a few months, or have players like Peinnar and Howlett and Contepomi amongst others.

Do you rememebr when Leinster had a lock injury crisis? What did they do? They signed Brad Thorne for 3 months who had just won the world cup. He started in the HC final. But no, no, they only have £4.5m to spend on players.

What was John Smit on with Saracens a few years ago? £130.000?

LordDowlais wrote:

rodders wrote:Yes but you'd be wrong if you argued it.

Would I ? Where is your proof that I would be wrong ?

You have to prove you're right. You're making the claim. Prove your claim.

LordDowlais wrote:

SecretFly wrote:Even bloody Jamie Roberts snubbed us for Less Pay.

But you've filled your NIQ quotas now, you would not be able to have him anyway.

OH???

NIQ quotas?

Meaning we have to play our own lesser players... on less salaries? Or maybe you are saying a guy like Kelleher is on 850,000?

No 7&1/2 wrote:
. Why 2 mil and not 10 mil?

Seriously? It doesn't take a genius to get the right ball park. 10mil? I assume you're being flippant.

No 7&1/2 wrote:Fair enough then, but you're still making up numbers to suit yourself. It's not based on anything factual. Why 2 mil and not 10 mil? It's still a figure plucked from nowhere.

What difference does it make from 2mil or 10mil ? It is still a working budget that they are using in comparison with the English clubs.

SecretFly wrote:

Chunky Norwich wrote:

LordDowlais wrote:

SecretFly wrote:It's that money buys trophies

No it does not, but it certainly helps, especially when you can pay huge sums for the likes of Rocky Elsom to play for a few months, or have players like Peinnar and Howlett and Contepomi amongst others.

Do you rememebr when Leinster had a lock injury crisis? What did they do? They signed Brad Thorne for 3 months who had just won the world cup. He started in the HC final. But no, no, they only have £4.5m to spend on players.

What was John Smit on with Saracens a few years ago?  £130.000?

Have you got any proof? Or are you just making up figures?

GoodinTightSpaces wrote:sooo to sum this tread up. great news attendances are on the rise in the Pro12.

I saw you there...... in between the red mist. I feel good about myself now.

SecretFly wrote:Meaning we have to play our own lesser players... on less salaries? Or maybe you are saying a guy like Kelleher is on 850,000?

I do not know, but I would assume he is not being payed peanuts, I will never see his pay packet, but I would wager he is on more than any player playing in Wales.

Chunky Norwich wrote:

What was John Smit on with Saracens a few years ago?  £130.000?

Have you got any proof? Or are you just making up figures?[/quote]

There's a question mark there..........................'?'

It's a question.  You think he was on that kinda money?

Going back to the original question, about whether the Irish clubs salaries are roughly the equivalent of the English ones - why does that matter and what's it got to do with Wales? The French spend a lot more than any other country in Europe on salaries and no one in Wales seems hugely concerned by that.

The malaise in Welsh rugby is not the fault of the IRFU, the RFU, the IRB or anyone else except Welsh rugby itself.

The inter-club resentments, the petty squabbles, the "Ponty are/should be the fifth region" rows, the interminable battles between the "businessmen" who own the Regions and the WRU, the highly public washing of dirty laundry last year to unseat Roger Lewis by Moffett (the man who set up the Region system in the first place), "disenfranchised fans", the "we're in, we're out, we're off to play with the English" fiasco over the ECC/HEC, etc.

I'm sorry to say it but so much of this is internal Welsh stuff and whether Ireland pay players a Euro a week or a million Euros a week, or if 25 or 25,000 turn up to Thomond Park, it will make no difference to the Welsh game until the domestic issues are addressed.

Funnily enough I actually agree with Chunky in that the only long-term solution is some form of B & I league but unfortunately it's not going to happen.

Chunky Norwich wrote:

LordDowlais wrote:

SecretFly wrote:It's that money buys trophies

No it does not, but it certainly helps, especially when you can pay huge sums for the likes of Rocky Elsom to play for a few months, or have players like Peinnar and Howlett and Contepomi amongst others.

Do you rememebr when Leinster had a lock injury crisis? What did they do? They signed Brad Thorne for 3 months who had just won the world cup. He started in the HC final. But no, no, they only have £4.5m to spend on players.

On a 3 month contract - and when Leinster recently tried to sign him back after replacing him with the marquee Quinn Roux, he chose to go to Leicester, where he's one of the lesser paid players.

LordDowlais wrote:

SecretFly wrote:Meaning we have to play our own lesser players... on less salaries? Or maybe you are saying a guy like Kelleher is on 850,000?

I do not know, but I would assume he is not being payed peanuts, I will never see his pay packet, but I would wager he is on more than any player playing in Wales.

He's on more that AWJ and Warburton

Dear God, delusion is a killer on this site.

SecretFly wrote:

It's a question.  You think he was on that kinda money?

No idea what he was on. You brought him up for soem reason. The Irish keep bringing up Saracens and Bath as if it's a way to subliminally justify to themselves that there are clubs north of France that are soending as much as the 4 provinces.

rodders wrote:

Chunky Norwich wrote:

LordDowlais wrote:

SecretFly wrote:It's that money buys trophies

No it does not, but it certainly helps, especially when you can pay huge sums for the likes of Rocky Elsom to play for a few months, or have players like Peinnar and Howlett and Contepomi amongst others.

Do you rememebr when Leinster had a lock injury crisis? What did they do? They signed Brad Thorne for 3 months who had just won the world cup. He started in the HC final. But no, no, they only have £4.5m to spend on players.

On a 3 month contract - and when Leinster recently tried to sign him back after replacing him with the marquee Quinn Roux, he chose to go to Leicester, where he's one of the lesser paid players.

Awesome. cheers for that.

How mcuh is Toulon's salary budget?

Irish Londoner wrote:

Funnily enough I actually agree with Chunky in that the only long-term solution is some form of B & I league but unfortunately it's not going to happen.

Don't bank on it.

Chunky Norwich wrote:

rodders wrote:

Am I misreading, because I can't be bothered to sift through the gumph but is Chunky suggesting that the entire provincial spend goes on player salaries?

This IRFU fund/subsidies the academies, staff, equipment, facilities - this isn't the figure for player salaries.

Yes, you're misreading. The academies, equipment etc is covered elsewhere.Mostly in section 4 of the annual report and the other expenditure's on the same page as the £32m. That is now the 3rd time I have said that.

The centrally contracted players are paid for by the IRFU (and the NIEs depending what you read), the rest are paid by the province from a combination of IRFU funding and each province individual revenue streams -sponsorship, ticket/merchandise sales, tv money etc.

Bar the central contract players, some of whom are on fairly big salaries(Sexton, Heaslip) but aren't fully available to the provinces, there is no way the provinces have the salary budget of some of the 'richer' premiership teams like Saracens, Bath and Gloucester - that is nonsense.

We are talking about the combined salaries of the provinces. So centrally contracted players plus the individual branch spend. I'm afraid the big 3 Irish provinces all spend above the English salary cap. But if you say that on here it's fingers in ears tiem from the Irish.

Pitau - I'd guess the most expensive player in UK - plays in Ireland
Piennar - Turned down 720,000 Euros a year -plays  in Ireand
Sexton - until recently the highest paid player in the world wasn't he? - plays In Ireland

But no, no, no it's the English that have the big squads. It is actually the French squad salaries that we should be comparing the Irish levels to, not the English.

There you go spouting rubbish again, Chunky.

Piutau isn't due until the 2016/17 season. He signed the contract 18 months before he arrives in Ireland. You're not taking into account wage inflation, and you don't really know how much he has been signed for regardless of what the papers say.
Even though you have been told that Pienaar himself laughed off reports of being offered around £600k, and even though you can google the interview where he denied he was offered that much, you persist in quoting your fantasy figures based on some tabloid. Whatever the offer was Ulster have not matched or bettered it. Pienaar wanted to stay in Ulster, even if for less.

Don't allow your lack of facts to keep you from your obsessive trolling of anything Irish, as bizarre as it is.

Chunky Norwich wrote:

SecretFly wrote:

It's a question.  You think he was on that kinda money?

No idea what he was on. You brought him up for soem reason. The Irish keep bringing up Saracens and Bath as if it's a way to subliminally justify to themselves that there are clubs north of France that are soending as much as the 4 provinces.

You keep bringing up a proven fantasy AP Cap when talking about IRFU 32M - for some reason.  You don't see the continuing comparisons of continuing comparisons?  If you want to use comparisons in arguments, then comparisons are on the agenda.

Back to 32M and you telling us how we do the loaves and fishes - being 3M over the declared WRU spend - and them with No Provinces to allegedly pay for.

Chunky Norwich wrote:

How mcuh is Toulon's salary budget?

It's irrelevant, isn't it?

Chunky Norwich wrote:

Irish Londoner wrote:

Funnily enough I actually agree with Chunky in that the only long-term solution is some form of B & I league but unfortunately it's not going to happen.

Don't bank on it.

Why not. It's money in the bank. It's not going to happen

SecretFly wrote:

You keep bringing up a proven fantasy AP Cap when talking about IRFU 32M - for some reason.  You don't see the continuing comparisons of continuing comparisons?  If you want to use comparisons in arguments, then comparisons are on the agenda..

Can you elaborate on that. Why is the AP salary cap fantasy?

(of course I kee bringing it up, as that is the main claim we are discussing.)

Chunky Norwich wrote:

Irish Londoner wrote:

Funnily enough I actually agree with Chunky in that the only long-term solution is some form of B & I league but unfortunately it's not going to happen.

Don't bank on it.

Well I think it has to because its clearly outside the capability of the WRU and Welsh clubs/regions to run their own affairs without being propped up by the English - we are 20 years into professionalism now and they even more clueless than they started.

Finally the Scots are turning the corner, if the Italians could too the solution is to turf out the Welsh, who Ospreys excepted bring very little to the table and have piggy backed off the Irish for long enough, maybe the PRL can sort them out.

SecretFly wrote:

Chunky Norwich wrote:

How mcuh is Toulon's salary budget?

It's irrelevant, isn't it?

Obviosuly not, as Rodders wouldn't have compared Irish salaries to it.

Chunky Norwich wrote:

Irish Londoner wrote:

Funnily enough I actually agree with Chunky in that the only long-term solution is some form of B & I league but unfortunately it's not going to happen.

Don't bank on it.

Why's that Chunks, it's a nice idea for those of us on the outside (think deluded Celtic and Rangers fans hoping that one day the English will see sense and let them into the Premier League), but I don't see any benefit for the English clubs in doing so, at the top end of the league more competition and for the bottom end a possible road to obscurity and bankruptcy - a lose-lose for PRL.

Irish Londoner wrote:

Chunky Norwich wrote:

Irish Londoner wrote:

Funnily enough I actually agree with Chunky in that the only long-term solution is some form of B & I league but unfortunately it's not going to happen.

Don't bank on it.

Why's that Chunks, it's a nice idea for those of us on the outside (think deluded Celtic and Rangers fans hoping that one day the English will see sense and let them into the Premier League), but I don't see any benefit for the English clubs in doing so, at the top end of the league more competition and for the bottom end a possible road to obscurity and bankruptcy - a lose-lose for PRL.

I suggest we use one of the other threads to discuss the B&I league - don't want to take this one off topic.

Chunky Norwich wrote:

SecretFly wrote:

You keep bringing up a proven fantasy AP Cap when talking about IRFU 32M - for some reason.  You don't see the continuing comparisons of continuing comparisons?  If you want to use comparisons in arguments, then comparisons are on the agenda..

Can you elaborate on that. Why is the AP salary cap fantasy?

(of course I kee bringing it up, as that is the main claim we are discussing.)

Thus why I'd bring up Smit and AP club Saracens.  Are we going to keep this 'Logic is Logic' duelling contest going???