Merthyr RFC set to become new force in Welsh Rugby

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Thoughts?

Risca Rev wrote:Also, Wales as a cricketing nation? Wow

Trolling me again risc ? Ah, never mind eh, but perhaps you failed to realise that Glamorgan cricket club is one of the biggest supported sports teams in Britian with over 100,000 members.

Risca Rev wrote:Also, I love the irony in you criticising Chunky for allegedly panning the Valleys and yet you have your handle as Lord Dowlais on here and have explained why you have it. Hypocrite warning.

I get called that by the Cardiff lot down at the cap, because they tease me about the valleys, it is all a bit of fun, they know what the people from the valleys are really like, but there are a few down there how really do think that civilisation ends after Radyr, and i tell them exactly the same as I told Chunky on here.

LordDowlais wrote:

Luckless Pedestrian wrote:

LordDowlais wrote:

Luckless Pedestrian wrote:B*llocks.

No it is not, the valleys provide the bulk of the players to Welsh rugby, without the people and the teams in the valleys Welsh rugby would be a non starter, we would be a purely football and cricket nation.

So now you've gone from saying that each region has 'a few' players from the valleys to saying that the majority of players are from the valleys.

I was talking about over the history of rugby in our country, not just at this moment.

Where's your evidence for this?

Luckless Pedestrian wrote:Where's your evidence for this?

Oh, here we go, what you have not been watching rugby all your life then have you ?

From the Pontypool front row in the seventies to Neil Jenkings and countless others, as I have posted earlier on this thread, Cardiff Blues have three quarters of their first team squad from the valleys, and the other regions are littered with players from the valleys, so please if you want evidence just go and look for it yourself, it is all there in the WWW.

Who's Neil Jenkings?

Risca Rev wrote:Who's Neil Jenkings?

Troll, Troll, Troll, Troll.

LordDowlais wrote:

Risca Rev wrote:Also, Wales as a cricketing nation? Wow

Trolling me again risc ? Ah, never mind eh, but perhaps you failed to realise that Glamorgan cricket club is one of the biggest supported sports teams in Britian with over 100,000 members.

So one top team? Wow. We are that big a cricketing nation, we don't even play under our own name.

I'm not saying that no players have come from the valleys, I just don't believe that the majority have come from the valleys - and you don't have any evidence to support the claim, which makes me even less likely to believe it.

LordDowlais wrote:

Risca Rev wrote:Who's Neil Jenkings?

Troll, Troll, Troll, Troll.

Learned a new word have you?

I'm not a troll just because I counter your rather simplistic views. If you constantly post such guff in the public domain, you'll tend to find people will have to disagree with it.

Luckless Pedestrian wrote:I'm not saying that no players have come from the valleys, I just don't believe that the majority have come from the valleys - and you don't have any evidence to support the claim, which makes me even less likely to believe it.

Dowlais and supposition? I won't hear of it.

100,000 members who support them?

They need to build a bigger stadium!

LordDowlais wrote:

Luckless Pedestrian wrote:Where's your evidence for this?

Oh, here we go, what you have not been watching rugby all your life then have you ?

From the Pontypool front row in the seventies to Neil Jenkings and countless others, as I have posted earlier on this thread, Cardiff Blues have three quarters of their first team squad from the valleys, and the other regions are littered with players from the valleys, so please if you want evidence just go and look for it yourself, it is all there in the WWW.

When you make these dubious claims, as you so often do, you should at least be willing to back them up. If not then just stop making these claims in the first place.

LordDowlais wrote:

Risca Rev wrote:Also, Wales as a cricketing nation? Wow

Trolling me again risc ? Ah, never mind eh, but perhaps you failed to realise that Glamorgan cricket club is one of the biggest supported sports teams in Britian with over 100,000 members.

That's more than their number of followers on Twitter innitt...

Luckless Pedestrian wrote:I'm not saying that no players have come from the valleys, I just don't believe that the majority have come from the valleys - and you don't have any evidence to support the claim, which makes me even less likely to believe it.

I'll tell you what LP, have it your way, but if you want to take the time and prove me wrong, just go through the regional squads and academies and tell me how many players are NOT from the valleys, Scarlets aside, although I think you may find a few in the first team squad, I think you might be surprised at just how many players from the valleys pad up the regions.

It's not for me to prove you wrong, you're the one who's made an unsubstantiated claim.

Risca Rev wrote:I'm not a troll just because I counter your rather simplistic views. If you constantly post such guff in the public domain, you'll tend to find people will have to disagree with it.

It's a little different when you follow me around this place and constantly do it to support your agenda.

Luckless Pedestrian wrote:It's not for me to prove you wrong, you're the one who's made an unsubstantiated claim.

Well put it this way, I am not wading through all the squads on the web and listing them here for you, I cannot be @rsed, if you do not want to believe me then fine it's a free country.

Listen Dowlais. After your unnecessary attack on me earlier, you should maybe stop with these false accusations. I'm a Welsh rugby supporter, as are you. You'll probably tend to find we will pop up on the same threads. Shock horror, I know.

What agenda?

Luckless Pedestrian wrote:It's not for me to prove you wrong, you're the one who's made an unsubstantiated claim.

All the best with that. Watch you don't "follow him around this place" too mind

Risca Rev wrote:Listen Dowlais. After your unnecessary attack on me earlier, you should maybe stop with these false accusations. I'm a Welsh rugby supporter, as are you. You'll probably tend to find we will pop up on the same threads. Shock horror, I know.

What agenda?

look Rev, I am not going down this road with you, but there is a theme here, that when you see an angle, you jump in for the kill, and as for an unnecessary attack, I was replying to this:-

Risca Rev wrote:You seem to be suffering a bit of Pontyitis. It's a terrible ailment, where apparently the Valleys are purely represented by Pontypridd. Why mention it otherwise whilst you're trying (and failing) to justify Ponty's actions? 

Also, I love the irony in you criticising Chunky for allegedly panning the Valleys and yet you have your handle as Lord Dowlais on here and have explained why you have it. Hypocrite warning.

So it was not really unprovoked was it.

The Valleys is no more of a hotbed for rugby players than the West or the South. I won't include the East because I don't think there have been as many come through the ranks there as the other three in recent years. Although things are looking up these days with the emergence of the new crop (Tyler Mogan, Dixon etc).

I also think that "The Valleys" is a misnomer. In rugby terms, it now seems to exclusively refer to the area around the valleys north of Cardiff. Like Merthyr, Pontypridd, Cilfynydd, Abercynon, Bargoed etc.

This is unfair, as there are valleys West and East of this that are also immersed in rugby culture. Places like Ystradgynlais and Ammanford are in valleys too, but they never get a look in. It's like Ponty have claimed this valleys term as their own.

LordDowlais wrote:

Risca Rev wrote:Listen Dowlais. After your unnecessary attack on me earlier, you should maybe stop with these false accusations. I'm a Welsh rugby supporter, as are you. You'll probably tend to find we will pop up on the same threads. Shock horror, I know.

What agenda?

look Rev, I am not going down this road with you, but there is a theme here, that when you see an angle, you jump in for the kill, and as for an unnecessary attack, I was replying to this:-

Risca Rev wrote:You seem to be suffering a bit of Pontyitis. It's a terrible ailment, where apparently the Valleys are purely represented by Pontypridd. Why mention it otherwise whilst you're trying (and failing) to justify Ponty's actions? 

Also, I love the irony in you criticising Chunky for allegedly panning the Valleys and yet you have your handle as Lord Dowlais on here and have explained why you have it. Hypocrite warning.

So it was not really unprovoked was it.

I'm on about your post on another thread that got removed pal.

See Chunky's post above for somebody else who agrees with your misunderstanding of "the valleys".

Chunky Norwich wrote:I also think that "The Valleys" is a misnomer. In rugby terms, it now seems to exclusively refer to the area around the valleys north of Cardiff. Like Merthyr, Pontypridd, Cilfynydd, Abercynon, Bargoed etc.

Chunky, when I speak about the valleys, I include the Gwent Valleys as well as the Glamorgan Valleys and even Neath and Bridgend.

Chunky Norwich wrote:It's like Ponty ahve claimed this valleys term as their own.

They can think that all they want, they are nothing but a suburb in the valleys but we all know where the heart of the valleys is, and that is Merthyr.

Mind you in saying that, it's a bit rich comming from some one who's town has claimed the whole of West Wales as their own.

Risca Rev wrote:I'm on about your post on another thread that got removed pal.

What one was that ?

Also, jump in for the kill? Wow. If I see somebody I disagree with, I'll tell them. If you read replies to a lot of your posts, you'll see you tend to get a lot of people disagreeing with you. Maybe you should reflect on that.

LordDowlais wrote:

Risca Rev wrote:I'm on about your post on another thread that got removed pal.

What one was that ?

Good one.

Risca Rev wrote:

LordDowlais wrote:

Risca Rev wrote:I'm on about your post on another thread that got removed pal.

What one was that ?

Good one.

Well go on tell me, I have only posted on three threads this morning, this one, the Pro12 final one, and the Jerry Collins one, and all my posts are still there.

LordDowlais wrote:
Chunky, when I speak about the valleys, I include the Gwent Valleys as well as the Glamorgan Valleys and even Neath and Bridgend.

thumbsup etc

They can think that all they want, they are nothing but a suburb in the valleys but we all know where the heart of the valleys is, and that is Merthyr.

Mind you in saying that, it's a bit rich comming from some one who's town has claimed the whole of West Wales as their own.

Region LD. Region.

LordDowlais wrote:

Risca Rev wrote:

LordDowlais wrote:

Risca Rev wrote:I'm on about your post on another thread that got removed pal.

What one was that ?

Good one.

Well go on tell me, I have only posted on three threads this morning, this one, the Pro12 final one, and the Jerry Collins one, and all my posts are still there.

Except they aren't. Try looking on the pro 12 one. There's a reason there's a mod post on there.

Chunky Norwich wrote:The Valleys is no more of a hotbed for rugby players than the West or the South. I won't include the East because I don't think there have been as many come through the ranks there as the other three in recent years. Although things are looking up these days with the emergence of the new crop (Tyler Mogan, Dixon etc).

I also think that "The Valleys" is a misnomer. In rugby terms, it now seems to exclusively refer to the area around the valleys north of Cardiff. Like Merthyr, Pontypridd, Cilfynydd, Abercynon, Bargoed etc.

This is unfair, as there are valleys West and East of this that are also immersed in rugby culture. Places like Ystradgynlais and Ammanford are in valleys too, but they never get a look in. It's like Ponty have claimed this valleys term as their own.

Each of those areas have small pockets which is a rugby hotbed I'll admit, I could probably name a few of them off the top of my head. But stating the valleys is solely the rugby hotbed and the heartbeat of Wales is just an ignorant perspective, one that you'd only find in..... the Valleys.

You've a point. I remember MTV's the Valleys, they had a bloody girl on there from Port Talbot! I had to tell everyone in England where the true valleys were...and sadly I pointed to north of Cardiff.

Risca Rev wrote:Except they aren't. Try looking on the pro 12 one. There's a reason there's a mod post on there.

Yes and the one I posted a link with is STILL there. Go and check if you like, I have not posted anything else except to support Chunky.

LordDowlais wrote:

Chunky Norwich wrote:I also think that "The Valleys" is a misnomer. In rugby terms, it now seems to exclusively refer to the area around the valleys north of Cardiff. Like Merthyr, Pontypridd, Cilfynydd, Abercynon, Bargoed etc.

Chunky, when I speak about the valleys, I include the Gwent Valleys as well as the Glamorgan Valleys and even Neath and Bridgend.

And when you consider the shear number of Valleys in south wales, it's actually unsurprising that a lot of players come from there...

The Saint wrote:

Chunky Norwich wrote:The Valleys is no more of a hotbed for rugby players than the West or the South. I won't include the East because I don't think there have been as many come through the ranks there as the other three in recent years. Although things are looking up these days with the emergence of the new crop (Tyler Mogan, Dixon etc).

I also think that "The Valleys" is a misnomer. In rugby terms, it now seems to exclusively refer to the area around the valleys north of Cardiff. Like Merthyr, Pontypridd, Cilfynydd, Abercynon, Bargoed etc.

This is unfair, as there are valleys West and East of this that are also immersed in rugby culture. Places like Ystradgynlais and Ammanford are in valleys too, but they never get a look in. It's like Ponty have claimed this valleys term as their own.

Each of those areas have small pockets which is a rugby hotbed I'll admit, I could probably name a few of them off the top of my head. But stating the valleys is solely the rugby hotbed and the heartbeat of Wales is just an ignorant perspective, one that you'd only find in..... the Valleys.

You've a point. I remember MTV's the Valleys, they had a bloody girl on there from Port Talbot! I had to tell everyone in England where the true valleys were...and sadly I pointed to north of Cardiff.

It's lazy. "They'll be singing in the valleys tonight" is so annoying. It's an acceptable stereotype. Like Wales is one big valley and nobody will be signing on the coast or in a city, just in the valleys. I think from now on, whenever Australia win, Ill start saying "They'll be signing in in the outback".

The Saint wrote:And when you consider the shear number of Valleys in south wales, it's actually unsurprising that a lot of players come from there...

i am not going to argue with that, that is why I say that rugby in Wales would be a non starter without us valley oikes.

LordDowlais wrote:

Risca Rev wrote:Except they aren't. Try looking on the pro 12 one. There's a reason there's a mod post on there.

Yes and the one I posted a link with is STILL there. Go and check if you like, I have not posted anything else except to support Chunky.

Yeah good one mate. Can't you remember what you posted? I do worry for you mate, if your memory is that bad.

Chunky Norwich wrote:It's lazy. "They'll be singing in the valleys tonight" is so annoying. It's an acceptable stereotype. Like Wales is one big valley and nobody will be signing on the coast or in a city, just in the valleys. I think from now on, whenever Australia win, Ill start saying "They'll be signing in in the outback".

The same as WEST IS BEST, being spouted out by Llanelli, when you think about it there are bigger towns further West than Llanelli.

Chunky Norwich wrote:

The Saint wrote:

Chunky Norwich wrote:The Valleys is no more of a hotbed for rugby players than the West or the South. I won't include the East because I don't think there have been as many come through the ranks there as the other three in recent years. Although things are looking up these days with the emergence of the new crop (Tyler Mogan, Dixon etc).

I also think that "The Valleys" is a misnomer. In rugby terms, it now seems to exclusively refer to the area around the valleys north of Cardiff. Like Merthyr, Pontypridd, Cilfynydd, Abercynon, Bargoed etc.

This is unfair, as there are valleys West and East of this that are also immersed in rugby culture. Places like Ystradgynlais and Ammanford are in valleys too, but they never get a look in. It's like Ponty have claimed this valleys term as their own.

Each of those areas have small pockets which is a rugby hotbed I'll admit, I could probably name a few of them off the top of my head. But stating the valleys is solely the rugby hotbed and the heartbeat of Wales is just an ignorant perspective, one that you'd only find in..... the Valleys.

You've a point. I remember MTV's the Valleys, they had a bloody girl on there from Port Talbot! I had to tell everyone in England where the true valleys were...and sadly I pointed to north of Cardiff.

It's lazy. "They'll be singing in the valleys tonight" is so annoying. It's an acceptable stereotype. Like Wales is one big valley and nobody will be signing on the coast or in a city, just in the valleys. I think from now on, whenever Australia win, Ill start saying "They'll be signing in in the outback".

My in-laws are from Norwich, and I have to keep trying to explain to them (like for the last ten years) that Milford Haven in Pembs is not in the valleys, and still they don't understand.

Risca, I am trying my best, but you will not leave me alone, please do not be the first ever person who I put on my foe list, but seriously you are starting to do my head in now.

LordDowlais wrote:

Chunky Norwich wrote:It's lazy. "They'll be singing in the valleys tonight" is so annoying. It's an acceptable stereotype. Like Wales is one big valley and nobody will be signing on the coast or in a city, just in the valleys. I think from now on, whenever Australia win, Ill start saying "They'll be signing in in the outback".

The same as WEST IS BEST, being spouted out by Llanelli, when you think about it there are bigger towns further West than Llanelli.

As I said tht's a regional thing. They're not saying Llanelli is best, or Llanelli is west. They're saying Llanelli is part of West Wales, and West Wales is best.

LordDowlais wrote:

Chunky Norwich wrote:It's lazy. "They'll be singing in the valleys tonight" is so annoying. It's an acceptable stereotype. Like Wales is one big valley and nobody will be signing on the coast or in a city, just in the valleys. I think from now on, whenever Australia win, Ill start saying "They'll be signing in in the outback".

The same as WEST IS BEST, being spouted out by Llanelli, when you think about it there are bigger towns further West than Llanelli.

Bigger? I can't think of any bigger than Llanelli in the west. But I remember a decade or so ago that Milford Haven was the second biggest town west of Swansea, and to be fair Milford is diddy compared to Llanelli, and probably not fair from the size of Aber or Carmarthen.

ScarletSpiderman wrote:
My in-laws are from Norwich, and I have to keep trying to explain to them (like for the last ten years) that Milford Haven in Pembs is not in the valleys, and still they don't understand.  

It's not hard is it. Just pretend you think Norwich is in Suffolk, or Ipswich or something.

Ha. Chunky Ipswich.

Oh no. Please don't foe me. I don't know how I'll cope .

So you do remember your post now then, judging by your change of tack? Are you Owen Robins by the way? He tends to post a lot of hot air, then when he gets corrected he resorts to blocking people.

ScarletSpiderman wrote:

LordDowlais wrote:

Chunky Norwich wrote:It's lazy. "They'll be singing in the valleys tonight" is so annoying. It's an acceptable stereotype. Like Wales is one big valley and nobody will be signing on the coast or in a city, just in the valleys. I think from now on, whenever Australia win, Ill start saying "They'll be signing in in the outback".

The same as WEST IS BEST, being spouted out by Llanelli, when you think about it there are bigger towns further West than Llanelli.

Bigger?  I can't think of any bigger than Llanelli in the west.  But I remember a decade or so ago that Milford Haven was the second biggest town west of Swansea, and to be fair Milford is diddy compared to Llanelli, and probably not fair from the size of Aber or Carmarthen.

I thought Camarthen was bigger than Llanelli, oh well, you learn something new every day.

Chunky Norwich wrote:

LordDowlais wrote:

Chunky Norwich wrote:It's lazy. "They'll be singing in the valleys tonight" is so annoying. It's an acceptable stereotype. Like Wales is one big valley and nobody will be signing on the coast or in a city, just in the valleys. I think from now on, whenever Australia win, Ill start saying "They'll be signing in in the outback".

The same as WEST IS BEST, being spouted out by Llanelli, when you think about it there are bigger towns further West than Llanelli.

As I said tht's a regional thing. They're not saying Llanelli is best, or Llanelli is west. They're saying Llanelli is part of West Wales, and West Wales is best.

Some of the greatest Welsh players have mostly come from Llanelli and Swansea IMO, so west certainly isn't best considering there are places further afield. Bit ironic that the West is Best stand is always empty too.

Risca Rev wrote:Oh no. Please don't foe me. I don't know how I'll cope   .

So you do remember your post now then, judging by your change of tack? Are you Owen Robins by the way? He tends to post a lot of hot air, then when he gets corrected he resorts to blocking people.

What post, you are seriously going to have to tell me as I do not know what you are talking about.

LordDowlais wrote:

ScarletSpiderman wrote:

LordDowlais wrote:

Chunky Norwich wrote:It's lazy. "They'll be singing in the valleys tonight" is so annoying. It's an acceptable stereotype. Like Wales is one big valley and nobody will be signing on the coast or in a city, just in the valleys. I think from now on, whenever Australia win, Ill start saying "They'll be signing in in the outback".

The same as WEST IS BEST, being spouted out by Llanelli, when you think about it there are bigger towns further West than Llanelli.

Bigger?  I can't think of any bigger than Llanelli in the west.  But I remember a decade or so ago that Milford Haven was the second biggest town west of Swansea, and to be fair Milford is diddy compared to Llanelli, and probably not fair from the size of Aber or Carmarthen.

I thought Camarthen was bigger than Llanelli, oh well, you learn something new every day.

You're thinking of CamarthenSHIRE.

The Saint wrote:You're thinking of CamarthenSHIRE.

nah, I just didn't check, if I am being honest. I just looked at it, that Camarthen has a big Tesco Extra and Llanelli do not, I mean, come on, if your town does not have a big Tesco Extra, then what do you expect people to think.

Chunky Norwich wrote:"They'll be singing in the valleys tonight" is so annoying. It's an acceptable stereotype. Like Wales is one big valley and nobody will be signing on the coast or in a city, just in the valleys. I think from now on, whenever Australia win, Ill start saying "They'll be signing in in the outback".

One of my sister's friends studied in England (I forget where exactly). When she introduced herself to someone at a freshers' party and told him she was from Wales, he asked her, "Are you from the valley?" Not even 'valleys', but 'valley'!

LordDowlais wrote:

The Saint wrote:You're thinking of CamarthenSHIRE.

nah, I just didn't check, if I am being honest. I just looked at it, that Camarthen has a big Tesco Extra and Llanelli do not, I mean, come on, if your town does not have a big Tesco Extra, then what do you expect people to think.

Some people don't even have a shop in their local valley, yet they're constantly bitching about Newport... That gets my goat sometimes. And don't even get me started on the clubless towns of Cwmbran and Risca (sorry Rev).