Merthyr RFC set to become new force in Welsh Rugby

by GavinDragon Tue Jun 02, 2015 4:58 pm

First topic message reminder :

http://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/rugby/rugby-news/merthyr-rfc-set-become-new-9377183

Thoughts?

by GavinDragon Mon Jun 22, 2015 4:36 pm

stupid - i applaud the decision to invest in the clubhouse and facilities but to spend that money on players at that level is a fools errand

by LordDowlais Mon Jun 22, 2015 4:39 pm

GavinDragon wrote:stupid - i applaud the decision to invest in the clubhouse and facilities but to spend that money on players at that level is a fools errand

I guess they will not be having any funding from the WRU anymore. Whistle

by Steffan Mon Jun 22, 2015 4:41 pm

LordDowlais wrote:
GavinDragon wrote:stupid - i applaud the decision to invest in the clubhouse and facilities but to spend that money on players at that level is a fools errand

I guess they will not be having any funding from the WRU anymore.

I'm sure Gareth Davies will bring in some rule to help his mates out so that buying and paying all these players is ok

by GavinDragon Mon Jun 22, 2015 4:47 pm

they only lose 4k dont they? Hardly worth worrying about when you consider the money being put into the club

by Steffan Mon Jun 22, 2015 4:56 pm

GavinDragon wrote:they only lose 4k dont they? Hardly worth worrying about when you consider the money being put into the club

Sir Stanley drops that in loose change everytime he buys a round in the clubhouse

I still think that when they make the Premiership they should sign Dan Carter

by Cardiff Dave Mon Jun 22, 2015 7:07 pm

LordDowlais wrote:
GavinDragon wrote:stupid - i applaud the decision to invest in the clubhouse and facilities but to spend that money on players at that level is a fools errand

I guess they will not be having any funding from the WRU anymore.

What's the crack though LD? Why all this sudden investment in Merthyr RFC?

by Steffan Mon Jun 22, 2015 7:19 pm

Cardiff Dave wrote:Why all this sudden investment in Merthyr RFC?

So the Pieman can teach Ponty a lesson init

Not sure what lesson is going to be learnt mind but that's the plan

by Luckless Pedestrian Mon Jun 22, 2015 7:47 pm

Steffan wrote:
Cardiff Dave wrote:Why all this sudden investment in Merthyr RFC?
So the Pieman can teach Ponty a lesson init

Not sure what lesson is going to be learnt mind but that's the plan

Maybe that if you bite the hand that feeds often enough, eventually it'll slap you in the face and start feeding someone else.

by Steffan Mon Jun 22, 2015 7:54 pm

Luckless Pedestrian wrote:
Steffan wrote:
Cardiff Dave wrote:Why all this sudden investment in Merthyr RFC?
So the Pieman can teach Ponty a lesson init

Not sure what lesson is going to be learnt mind but that's the plan

Maybe that if you bite the hand that feeds often enough, eventually it'll slap you in the face and start feeding someone else.

And how exactly do Ponty bite the hand that feeds them? Sure they have a moan and stuff but Ponty play ball with the Blues just as much as any other team in the Premiership does. Who exactly are Cardiff Blues going to feed anyway?

by munkian Mon Jun 22, 2015 8:14 pm

Steffan wrote:
Luckless Pedestrian wrote:
Steffan wrote:
Cardiff Dave wrote:Why all this sudden investment in Merthyr RFC?
So the Pieman can teach Ponty a lesson init

Not sure what lesson is going to be learnt mind but that's the plan

Maybe that if you bite the hand that feeds often enough, eventually it'll slap you in the face and start feeding someone else.
And how exactly do Ponty bite the hand that feeds them? Sure they have a moan and stuff but Ponty play ball with the Blues just as much as any other team in the Premiership does. Who exactly are Cardiff Blues going to feed anyway?

I think letting the him who trolls twitter write the tripe in their matchday programme probably counts as a slight hand nipping...

by Steffan Mon Jun 22, 2015 8:15 pm

Ponty have to supply Cardiff Blues with players and Cardiff Blues have to supply Ponty with players its a simple as that. If they didn't here's what would happen (if Ponty choose to):

Ponty guy: Hi there. Cardiff Blues are not giving us a fair share of our quota players

WRU guy: Ah ok we will tell them to

Ponty guy: Cheers

WRU guy: Give Ponty there fair share of players as per region and club agreement

Cardiff guy: Ok

by Cardiff Dave Mon Jun 22, 2015 8:28 pm

Steffan wrote:Ponty have to supply Cardiff Blues with players and Cardiff Blues have to supply Ponty with players its a simple as that. If they didn't here's what would happen (if Ponty choose to):

Ponty guy: Hi there. Cardiff Blues are not giving us a fair share of our quota players

WRU guy: Ah ok we will tell them to

Ponty guy: Cheers

WRU guy: Give Ponty there fair share of players as per region and club agreement

Cardiff guy: Ok

Didn't realise that Cardiff had to supply Ponty with players for free or that there was a defined quota. Is this true Steff?

by Steffan Mon Jun 22, 2015 8:37 pm

Cardiff Dave wrote:
Steffan wrote:Ponty have to supply Cardiff Blues with players and Cardiff Blues have to supply Ponty with players its a simple as that. If they didn't here's what would happen (if Ponty choose to):

Ponty guy: Hi there. Cardiff Blues are not giving us a fair share of our quota players

WRU guy: Ah ok we will tell them to

Ponty guy: Cheers

WRU guy: Give Ponty there fair share of players as per region and club agreement

Cardiff guy: Ok

Didn't realise that Cardiff had to supply Ponty with players for free or that there was a defined quota. Is this true Steff?

I'm not fully sure on the full logistics of the case but there is rules in place so that premiership clubs are entitled to receive a certain level of players if wanted the same as the regions are entitled to take any players or coaches from the clubs

by Cardiff Dave Mon Jun 22, 2015 8:49 pm

Steffan wrote:
Cardiff Dave wrote:
Steffan wrote:Ponty have to supply Cardiff Blues with players and Cardiff Blues have to supply Ponty with players its a simple as that. If they didn't here's what would happen (if Ponty choose to):

Ponty guy: Hi there. Cardiff Blues are not giving us a fair share of our quota players

WRU guy: Ah ok we will tell them to

Ponty guy: Cheers

WRU guy: Give Ponty there fair share of players as per region and club agreement

Cardiff guy: Ok

Didn't realise that Cardiff had to supply Ponty with players for free or that there was a defined quota. Is this true Steff?
I'm not fully sure on the full logistics of the case but there is rules in place so that premiership clubs are entitled to receive a certain level of players if wanted the same as the regions are entitled to take any players or coaches from the clubs

Hey Steff check it out. Two threads locked for some reason. Must be something you said I reckon.

by Steffan Mon Jun 22, 2015 8:52 pm

Cardiff Dave wrote:Hey Steff check it out. Two threads locked for some reason. Must be something you said I reckon

Not this ship sister

I been a good boy all day despite some peoples efforts to wind me up. But yeah the forum has gone into lockdown

by Cardiff Dave Mon Jun 22, 2015 9:01 pm

Steffan wrote:
Cardiff Dave wrote:Hey Steff check it out. Two threads locked for some reason. Must be something you said I reckon
Not this ship sister

I been a good boy all day despite some peoples efforts to wind me up. But yeah the forum has gone into lockdown

Reminds of the run up to CCS.

by LordDowlais Sun Jun 28, 2015 11:23 am

Here we go boys, it looks all official now:-

http://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/rugby/rugby-news/radical-shake-up-principality-premiership-amid-9524669

by Steffan Sun Jun 28, 2015 10:04 pm

Any news on Merthyr signing Dan Carter yet?

by Cardiff Dave Mon Jun 29, 2015 9:19 pm

Steffan wrote:Any news on Merthyr signing Dan Carter yet?

Never heard of him. Ponty player is he?

by Steffan Mon Jun 29, 2015 10:10 pm

Cardiff Dave wrote:
Steffan wrote:Any news on Merthyr signing Dan Carter yet?

Never heard of him. Ponty player is he?

Who needs Dan Carter when you got Ceri Sweeney and Jarrod Evans...

by LordDowlais Wed Jul 01, 2015 11:38 am

And now the fallout begins:-

http://www.bbc.com/sport/0/rugby-union/33337686

by LordDowlais Wed Jul 01, 2015 11:52 am

We are building quite the team up here now, we have signed the following players so far we have already recruited ex-Ospreys centre David Bishop, former Wales U20s outside-half Matthew Jarvis, Ebbw Vale scrum-half Rhys Downes, Bedwas lock Phil Rees, Ebbw Vale back rower Gareth “Denver” Williams, plus Pontypridd forwards Craig Locke and James Howe, while Cardiff Blues prop Tau Filise is likely to be involved after the World Cup.

Look out Premiership, here we come. Yahoo

oh and our A license looks all in order:-

http://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/rugby/rugby-news/merthyr-rfc-insist-theyll-facilities-9500260

by Guest Wed Jul 01, 2015 11:58 am

Not quite the names that were touted though.

We and our. You really are on board now aren't you.

by Fanster Wed Jul 01, 2015 11:59 am

LordDowlais wrote:And now the fallout begins:-

http://www.bbc.com/sport/0/rugby-union/33337686

Yoou have to say a mid season split and playoffs would've added spice to it next season!!

by LordDowlais Wed Jul 01, 2015 12:02 pm

Risca Rev wrote:We and our. You really are on board now aren't you.

Yep, and why shouldn't I ? I am sure if it was Risca getting this treatment you would be on board as well ?

by ScarletSpiderman Wed Jul 01, 2015 12:11 pm

LordDowlais wrote:
Risca Rev wrote:We and our. You really are on board now aren't you.

Yep, and why shouldn't I ? I am sure if it was Risca getting this treatment you would be on board as well ?

So your happy with Tau Fillise signing? Isn't he an over the hill journeyman NWQ stopping the progression of local welsh talent?

by LordDowlais Wed Jul 01, 2015 12:14 pm

ScarletSpiderman wrote:
LordDowlais wrote:
Risca Rev wrote:We and our. You really are on board now aren't you.

Yep, and why shouldn't I ? I am sure if it was Risca getting this treatment you would be on board as well ?

So your happy with Tau Fillise signing? Isn't he an over the hill journeyman NWQ stopping the progression of local welsh talent?

No that is a crap signing, I am however on board with Merthyr being in the Welsh Prem, having a brand spanking new ground, and I am looking forward to the Welsh prem next season.

by Guest Wed Jul 01, 2015 12:19 pm

LordDowlais wrote:
Risca Rev wrote:We and our. You really are on board now aren't you.

Yep, and why shouldn't I ? I am sure if it was Risca getting this treatment you would be on board as well ?

Chill out Dowlais mun. Wow, you're tetchy.

Difference is, I've never stopped supporting Risca.

by LordDowlais Wed Jul 01, 2015 12:21 pm

Risca Rev wrote:
LordDowlais wrote:
Risca Rev wrote:We and our. You really are on board now aren't you.

Yep, and why shouldn't I ? I am sure if it was Risca getting this treatment you would be on board as well ?

Chill out Dowlais mun. Wow, you're tetchy.

Difference is, I've never stopped supporting Risca.

Sorry Risca, when I was typing it it was meant to come across in an upbeat way. Sometimes things can be read differently to the way they are meant.

by ScarletSpiderman Wed Jul 01, 2015 12:22 pm

Lord, personally I think he will be good for passing on knowledge, but I remember you stance on NWQs so was just double checking thumbsup

I hope Merthyr do get all the improvements sorted out and completed in time to get into the prem, but you still need to feel for Bargoed who look likely have missed out for good now.

by LordDowlais Wed Jul 01, 2015 12:25 pm

ScarletSpiderman wrote:but I remember you stance on NWQs

I do not have a stance on NWQ signings per say, just crap ones who offer sod all to Welsh rugby, and everybody knows we have had too many of those at the regions as of late. Cardiff being the worst offenders.

by Irish Londoner Wed Jul 01, 2015 12:37 pm

What is the actual issue with Bargoed not bring allowed to come up - I thought that the London Welsh judgement did for the idea that a club who won promotion should be denied due to lack of facilities?
I note that as well as winning the league they also defeated Merthyr in the cup so why can't they come up when from a rugby perspective they are the best side in the second division.

by The Saint Wed Jul 01, 2015 3:56 pm

LordDowlais wrote:We are building quite the team up here now, we have signed the following players so far we have already recruited ex-Ospreys centre David Bishop, former Wales U20s outside-half Matthew Jarvis, Ebbw Vale scrum-half Rhys Downes, Bedwas lock Phil Rees, Ebbw Vale back rower Gareth “Denver” Williams, plus Pontypridd forwards Craig Locke and James Howe, while Cardiff Blues prop Tau Filise is likely to be involved after the World Cup.

Look out Premiership, here we come.

oh and our A license looks all in order:-

http://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/rugby/rugby-news/merthyr-rfc-insist-theyll-facilities-9500260

As long as you realise a number of your players, particularly the experienced ones will also be turning out for the Blues A side (or whatever they're calling it)?

Looks like they're also introducing a conference system in the Prem... I guess it's a bit different to my proposed upper and lower tier - with that you still get the promotion and relegation battle; The Saint suggested it to try and keep everyone happy... I guess the conference system would work as long as there's teams of mixed abilities in both.

by The Saint Wed Jul 01, 2015 3:59 pm

Irish Londoner wrote:What is the actual issue with Bargoed not bring allowed to come up - I thought that the London Welsh judgement did for the idea that a club who won promotion should be denied due to lack of facilities?
I note that as well as winning the league they also defeated Merthyr in the cup so why can't they come up when from a rugby perspective they are the best side in the second division.

I guess it's a bit different when there is fully professional teams involved. This isn't the first time btw, as Bargoed also won it last year. We acknowledged it. You're better off directing these questions at the WRU. It sure is a kick in the teeth for Bargoed.

by LordDowlais Wed Jul 01, 2015 4:04 pm

The Saint wrote:As long as you realise a number of your players, particularly the experienced ones will also be turning out for the Blues A side (or whatever they're calling it)?

As long as Cardiff are paying towards them, some of these people are going to be getting paid good money by Merthyr RFC. The Bedwas captain will be on 20+ grand a year and the Tongan will be on about a grand a week so I am being told.

by The Saint Wed Jul 01, 2015 4:11 pm

LordDowlais wrote:
The Saint wrote:As long as you realise a number of your players, particularly the experienced ones will also be turning out for the Blues A side (or whatever they're calling it)?

As long as Cardiff are paying towards them, some of these people are going to be getting paid good money by Merthyr RFC. The Bedwas captain will be on 20+ grand a year and the Tongan will be on about a grand a week so I am being told.

That's pretty ridiculous. So do you think will this cause animosity and disputes between Cardiff and Merthyr then? Remember, Merthyr are being strengthened so they can become a feeder to the pro teams (Blues and Blues A) in their region. The owners of the pro team are helping do it with money from their own pocket in order to grow the game in this area and improve relationships.

by Steffan Wed Jul 01, 2015 9:37 pm

I wonder if Ponty will release our player for the Cardiff Blues A thingy for the B&I Cup. Hopefully not as we need all our best players for the league and cup

by Cardiff Dave Wed Jul 01, 2015 9:45 pm

LordDowlais wrote:We are building quite the team up here now, we have signed the following players so far we have already recruited ex-Ospreys centre David Bishop, former Wales U20s outside-half Matthew Jarvis, Ebbw Vale scrum-half Rhys Downes, Bedwas lock Phil Rees, Ebbw Vale back rower Gareth “Denver” Williams, plus Pontypridd forwards Craig Locke and James Howe, while Cardiff Blues prop Tau Filise is likely to be involved after the World Cup.

Look out Premiership, here we come.

oh and our A license looks all in order:-

http://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/rugby/rugby-news/merthyr-rfc-insist-theyll-facilities-9500260

Cheque book feckin Charlies. Very Happy

by Fanster Wed Jul 01, 2015 9:47 pm

Cardiff Dave wrote:
LordDowlais wrote:We are building quite the team up here now, we have signed the following players so far we have already recruited ex-Ospreys centre David Bishop, former Wales U20s outside-half Matthew Jarvis, Ebbw Vale scrum-half Rhys Downes, Bedwas lock Phil Rees, Ebbw Vale back rower Gareth “Denver” Williams, plus Pontypridd forwards Craig Locke and James Howe, while Cardiff Blues prop Tau Filise is likely to be involved after the World Cup.

Look out Premiership, here we come.

oh and our A license looks all in order:-

http://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/rugby/rugby-news/merthyr-rfc-insist-theyll-facilities-9500260

Cheque book feckin Charlies.

Discount Toulon?

by Cardiff Dave Wed Jul 01, 2015 10:29 pm

Fanster wrote:
Cardiff Dave wrote:
LordDowlais wrote:We are building quite the team up here now, we have signed the following players so far we have already recruited ex-Ospreys centre David Bishop, former Wales U20s outside-half Matthew Jarvis, Ebbw Vale scrum-half Rhys Downes, Bedwas lock Phil Rees, Ebbw Vale back rower Gareth “Denver” Williams, plus Pontypridd forwards Craig Locke and James Howe, while Cardiff Blues prop Tau Filise is likely to be involved after the World Cup.

Look out Premiership, here we come.

oh and our A license looks all in order:-

http://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/rugby/rugby-news/merthyr-rfc-insist-theyll-facilities-9500260

Cheque book feckin Charlies.

Discount Toulon?

Discount Tyres?

by Guest Wed Jul 01, 2015 10:54 pm

Ahhhh, I wish we had them back as sponsors

by Cardiff Dave Thu Jul 02, 2015 8:12 pm

Risca Rev wrote:Ahhhh, I wish we had them back as sponsors

Friday 19 July 2013
NEWPORT-based Discount Tyres has gone into administration with the loss of 25 jobs.
The firm closed its branches in Cardiff and Cwmbran as well as the flagship site on Usk , in Newport, after it went into voluntary administration on Monday.

http://www.southwalesargus.co.uk/news/10560578.Newport_tyre_firm_goes_bust/

by Guest Thu Jul 02, 2015 10:42 pm

Ok pity, we need some other phallus shaped logo then

by Chunky Norwich Fri Jul 03, 2015 1:49 pm

Ha ha. Ponty have invoiced Merthyr for players.

Pontypridd have been branded fearful and envious by Merthyr’s multi-millionaire backer Sir Stan Thomas, with a bitter row having erupted between the two valleys clubs.

Premiership champions Ponty are unhappy over the way ambitious Championship outfit Merthyr have signed up some of their leading players, with forwards Craig Locke and James Howe having already switched to The Wern.

They maintain they have received no formal approach from the Ironmen and are calling for “the usual courtesy and protocol” to be adhered to over the transfer of players from one club to another.

Now the dispute has stepped up a level, with Thomas launching a blistering counter to Ponty’s statement.

He claims the Sardis side have demanded £9,000 for second-row Locke, but insists they won’t receive a penny, as the player - who has confirmed his move - is a free agent.

Thomas has gone further by saying Ponty are driven by fear and envy over his plans to make Merthyr a major force in Welsh club rugby.

“One of our committee men, Peter Morgan, has received a letter from Pontypridd including an invoice for £9,000 for the transfer of Craig Locke to Merthyr,” he said.

by Steffan Fri Jul 03, 2015 2:50 pm

Could't really care less about the £9,000 invoice regardless of whether Ponty were on the wrong or right about it

I find it a sad state of affairs though that two Premiership winning players are leaving a club to join a championship outfit. You would hope players in Welsh rugby would want to play at the highest level possible

"Sir" Stanley says:

“Why should we pay £9,000 for him? This isn’t professional rugby. These players are semi pro and entitled to go to whichever club they wish.

Maybe you shouldn't have to pay £9,000 but don't claim this to be an even playing semi-professional field when you are blatantly flashing the cash around and trying to bypass clubs such as Bargoed who won the league

“It’s just Ponty stirring the soup up again. It’s fear and envy.

Envious of what exactly? Being Premiership winners as opposed to finishing third in a lower league?

“They are fearful of Merthyr, with me behind the club, and afraid of what is going to happen, with a new, strong valleys side coming into the Premiership.

Laugh

Careful Stanley...might not be able to get your head through the door of the patrons bar at this point

by Chunky Norwich Fri Jul 03, 2015 2:53 pm

Looks like blatant fear and envy to me. I hope when the stadium is finished there's a big sign over it saying "Home of Valleys rugby".

by bedfordwelsh Fri Jul 03, 2015 2:54 pm

As I have said all along, even in the so called amateur days there wasn't such a thing as a level playing field and some players will always be tempted by more money or flashier cars etc.

by Steffan Fri Jul 03, 2015 2:58 pm

Chunky Norwich wrote:I hope when the stadium is finished there's a big sign over it saying "Home of Valleys rugby".

Why?

by Chunky Norwich Fri Jul 03, 2015 2:59 pm

Steffan wrote:
Chunky Norwich wrote:I hope when the stadium is finished there's a big sign over it saying "Home of Valleys rugby".
Why?

To annoy Ponty.

by Steffan Fri Jul 03, 2015 3:00 pm

Chunky Norwich wrote:
Steffan wrote:
Chunky Norwich wrote:I hope when the stadium is finished there's a big sign over it saying "Home of Valleys rugby".
Why?

To annoy Ponty.

Why? What have Ponty done to you?

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