Merthyr RFC set to become new force in Welsh Rugby

Steffan wrote:How far this region will stretch is another thing as clubs like Neath and my own club of Ponty are already tied on a chain to our Swansea and Cardiff masters

Steffan wrote:To be honest, any time there is talk of another region like there was with Valley's Rugby (which I appreciate was just an Owen Smith pipe dream) all the Cardiff. Newport, Swansea and Llanelli start slating it and claim there is not enough money for another region etc

LordDowlais wrote:
Are Ponty still chained though ?

Cardiff Blues have already said they will not be putting players there anymore, they never really wanted anything to do with Pontypridd

LordDowlais wrote:To be fair, it's only the Dragons fans who get like that, well on here anyway, but that is probably because they feel the most threatened

LordDowlais wrote:Also, I have come to realise, that PhilBB is totally ignorant to anything outside of Cardiff, he even said so much on this thread about lack of business and sponsorship outside of Cardiff

Steffan wrote:To be honest, any time there is talk of another region like there was with Valley's Rugby (which I appreciate was just an Owen Smith pipe dream) all the Cardiff, Newport, Swansea and Llanelli start slating it and claim there is not enough money for another region etc

Well crikey there has been enough money to fund the Newport Gwent Cross Keys Monmouthshire Dregans cannon fodder Pro12 team for the last 13 years, why is a region in Merthyr funded by a millionaire any less economically viable?

How far this region will stretch is another thing as clubs like Neath and my own club of Ponty are already tied on a chain to our Swansea and Cardiff masters

LordDowlais wrote:

Are Ponty still chained though ?

Cardiff Blues have already said they will not be putting players there anymore, they never really wanted anything to do with Pontypridd.

LordDowlais wrote:
Also, I have come to realise, that PhilBB is totally ignorant to anything outside of Cardiff, he even said so much on this thread about lack of business and sponsorship outside of Cardiff, yet he totally ignores the fact that the very rich owner of Cardiff started a massive business in the valleys where all the wealth that is now being splashed on his beloved team came from.

Steffan wrote:
Pieman paid to keep Cardiff a professional team, I have no issue with that. But some of these Cardiff toffs still think that the WRU kept them as a pro team back in 2003 because it's all about "great name of Cardiff RFC" who were realistically a team back then with a bunch of mercenaries, no silverware, no team spirit and a bunch of supporters who are incapable of managing anything other than that boring repetitive Kaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaidiff chant

PhilBB wrote:If he blows the £20m needed to build a new stadium and blows another £3m a year paying for the team, then it becomes viable.

LordDowlais wrote:
More ignorance again, have you seen the work being done at the Wern ?

PhilBB wrote:

LordDowlais wrote:
Also, I have come to realise, that PhilBB is totally ignorant to anything outside of Cardiff, he even said so much on this thread about lack of business and sponsorship outside of Cardiff, yet he totally ignores the fact that the very rich owner of Cardiff started a massive business in the valleys where all the wealth that is now being splashed on his beloved team came from.

Charming.

So let's see how bright you are:

1. Who is the owner that you refer to?
2. What business did he start 'in the Valleys'?

PhilBB wrote:

Steffan wrote:
Pieman paid to keep Cardiff a professional team, I have no issue with that. But some of these Cardiff toffs still think that the WRU kept them as a pro team back in 2003 because it's all about "great name of Cardiff RFC" who were realistically a team back then with a bunch of mercenaries, no silverware, no team spirit and a bunch of supporters who are incapable of managing anything other than that boring repetitive Kaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaidiff chant

Ah, no silverware.

I'm guessing that you're under 20 years old, if that's what you believe. The rest is obviously guff.

LordDowlais wrote:

His farther started the business, but it was still started in the valleys, the Thomas family got their fortune from there. You know the business, it is in Bedwas.

Steffan wrote:

I'm old enough to remember Ponty beating your star-studded teams back in the 90s

Also the disastrous world cup campaign that Cardiff...sorry I mean Wales had in 1995 with Alec Evans in charge

He even took Andy Moore over Paul John    

Pretty much everyone I knew back then apart from Cardiff fans said it was a disgraceful selection

Then you and Swansea threw your dummies out of the pram and left us all for a season

That worked out well didn't it...

PhilBB wrote:

LordDowlais wrote:
More ignorance again, have you seen the work being done at the Wern ?

Yes. And I know how much PyS cost.

So it's not ignorance, champ. Come back when it's a 15k stadium that can host conferences, exhibitions and earn income for the 350 days of the year when there's no pro sport being played.

LordDowlais wrote:

Steffan wrote:Met my mate for a pint after the game on Sunday (he posts on the Ponty forum quite a lot and knows all about PhillBB and his hatred for all things non-Cardiff by the way) and he is quite well connected with the gossip. He reckons that there is definitely a plan in place to make Merthyr a region eventually

It makes sense I guess as I have wondered why the horrible piemans brother would invest all that money in a team that can never go anywhere even if they do win the Welsh Premiership 10 years on the trot with Dan Carter etc. at outside half

Good luck to Merthyr if this happens and I wish them well

Anyway, I have been back from the lovely Emerald Isle. Yes I went to watch Wales in Ireland, I left Friday afternoon, and got back yesterday, I swear I am going to be hung over for a week.

I come back on here and find that this thread has been turned into a Gwent Dragons thread.

You see, there is big talk in Merthyr about something bigger happening, you all call me deluded, but guess what ? There are bigger plans afoot.

So, lets get back to talking about Merthyr on here. There is so much history for this town, the locomotive engine was invented here, the labour party was formed here, at one point, the whole British empire was forged out of the steel that was produced here, the next thing in line is, an all conquering rugby region.

RiscaGame wrote:Oh yes, that's it. I'm definitely convinced now Steff and you are saying

PhilBB wrote:So not only is Peter Thomas not the owner but he didn't start the business, either. And since when is Bedwas in the Valleys?

Here you go getting three things wrong whilst trying to convince yourself that the ignorance lies elsewhere. How's that working out for you?

RiscaGame wrote:Oh yes, that's it. I'm definitely convinced now Steff and you are saying.

LordDowlais wrote:

RiscaGame wrote:Oh yes, that's it. I'm definitely convinced now Steff and you are saying.

Good. At last you are listening. Why it took Steff to convince you though I do not know.

Steffan wrote:

LordDowlais wrote:

RiscaGame wrote:Oh yes, that's it. I'm definitely convinced now Steff and you are saying.

Good. At last you are listening. Why it took Steff to convince you though I do not know.

And there was me thinking Risca Rev/Game/Stone or whatever other usernames he goes by was trying to be sarcastic

Steffan wrote:

RiscaGame wrote:Oh yes, that's it. I'm definitely convinced now Steff and you are saying

I never said it was definitely going to happen. I just said my mate who is usually a good source has heard that there are potential plans for a region. Not saying it is going to happen. Stop twisting my words and perhaps even give a constructive reason (or reasons) why a region in Merthyr will not happen as to opposed to just dismissing mine and LDs views while probably pointing out some error in my spelling or grammer

And why have you changed usernames? Did your old account get blocked or something?

RiscaGame wrote:Ask Dowlais why I changed my username. He apparently knows.

RiscaGame wrote:

Steffan wrote:

RiscaGame wrote:Oh yes, that's it. I'm definitely convinced now Steff and you are saying

I never said it was definitely going to happen. I just said my mate who is usually a good source has heard that there are potential plans for a region. Not saying it is going to happen. Stop twisting my words and perhaps even give a constructive reason (or reasons) why a region in Merthyr will not happen as to opposed to just dismissing mine and LDs views while probably pointing out some error in my spelling or grammer

And why have you changed usernames? Did your old account get blocked or something?

That would then contravene your rule that NGD supporters are not allowed to talk about any other team bar their own, so what's the point?

Ask Dowlais why I changed my username. He apparently knows.

LordDowlais wrote:

RiscaGame wrote:Ask Dowlais why I changed my username. He apparently knows.

It do not now exactly, but my theory is, that somebody on another forum/media outlet, had a very similar name and was always talking crap, thus you changed your name not to get confused as to being the same person

I could be a million miles away though. I do not really care TBH.

Steffan wrote:My mate who is usually a good source has heard that there are potential plans for a region.

RiscaGame wrote:

LordDowlais wrote:

RiscaGame wrote:Ask Dowlais why I changed my username. He apparently knows.

It do not now exactly, but my theory is, that somebody on another forum/media outlet, had a very similar name and was always talking crap, thus you changed your name not to get confused as to being the same person

I could be a million miles away though. I do not really care TBH.

Yes you are wrong  

The bolded bit though. Brilliant

LordDowlais wrote:

PhilBB wrote:

LordDowlais wrote:
More ignorance again, have you seen the work being done at the Wern ?

Yes. And I know how much PyS cost.

So it's not ignorance, champ. Come back when it's a 15k stadium that can host conferences, exhibitions and earn income for the 350 days of the year when there's no pro sport being played.

PYS was built from scratch, the Wern needs re-vamping, now I know it is nothing like PYS, but with a little help from the local government like PYS had then yes we could have a nice shiney stadium like that here, there is twice the population in Merthyr than there is in Llanelli, so if they can make it work there, then they could make it work here.

Also, what friggin exhibitions does the Arms Park do to earn money all year around, they are not exactly bursting with function rooms and media rooms there for weddings and disco's and concerts are they ?

Griff wrote:
So you want hand outs. Show some of your own ambition, FFS, rather than running to the government for help, etc., etc., blah, blah.

LordDowlais wrote:

RiscaGame wrote:

LordDowlais wrote:

RiscaGame wrote:Ask Dowlais why I changed my username. He apparently knows.

It do not now exactly, but my theory is, that somebody on another forum/media outlet, had a very similar name and was always talking crap, thus you changed your name not to get confused as to being the same person

I could be a million miles away though. I do not really care TBH.

Yes you are wrong  

The bolded bit though. Brilliant

You would say that though.

Anyway, you were probably the same person, all he did was jump onto other people topics and try and rubbish them, like a spoilt kid at a party that is not his.

You never start any threads, you never get a conversation going, you always rubbish opinions, unless they are praising Dragons. Just like that other person I was on about.

LordDowlais wrote:

PYS was built from scratch, the Wern needs re-vamping, now I know it is nothing like PYS, but with a little help from the local government like PYS had then yes we could have a nice shiney stadium like that here, there is twice the population in Merthyr than there is in Llanelli, so if they can make it work there, then they could make it work here.

Also, what friggin exhibitions does the Arms Park do to earn money all year around, they are not exactly bursting with function rooms and media rooms there for weddings and disco's and concerts are they ?

LordDowlais wrote:

Bedwas is a valleys town, OUTSIDE of Cardiff. Although you fail to except that your team is funded by a company that is not in Cardiff, because according to you, there is nothing outside of Cardiff. 

I know of massive multinational companies currently starting up in Merthyr, there is also one huge company who has been in the neighbouring town of Tredegar since 1982 and has just expanded into Merthyr. 

For some reason though, you are of the opinion that anything north of Radyr is still in the stone age.

PhilBB wrote:It also has a very lucrative car park income and makes money when events are held next door. 

PhilBB wrote:Yes, CAP does earn money all year round from events held in the boxes, in the Clubhouse and in the Lounges

PhilBB wrote:I look forward to these multinationals pumping in the money into rugby. What companies are they? Have they shown any inclination for rugby elsewhere?

PhilBB wrote:I look forward to the answers to my questions as I'm unaware of what valley hosts Bedwas, or how Peters Savoury Products has anything to do with Cardiff Rugby.

LordDowlais wrote:

Griff wrote:
So you want hand outs. Show some of your own ambition, FFS, rather than running to the government for help, etc., etc., blah, blah.

Why should the new region, be any different to the others.

Griff wrote:If you take from the local government you're taking money out of education, housing, leisure budgets, etc. For shame, LD. For shame!

LordDowlais wrote:

Griff wrote:If you take from the local government you're taking money out of education, housing, leisure budgets, etc. For shame, LD. For shame!

Sir Stan would never do that, he would just dip into his top left shirt pocket, and pay with what ever change he has in there.

Griff wrote:

LordDowlais wrote:

Griff wrote:If you take from the local government you're taking money out of education, housing, leisure budgets, etc. For shame, LD. For shame!

Sir Stan would never do that, he would just dip into his top left shirt pocket, and pay with what ever change he has in there.

So why say that you want them to get assistance  from the local government?

Steffan wrote:The horrible piemans brother will have to do a lot of spending. Which I am sure he will

LordDowlais wrote:
You do realise that Merthyr RFC have their own clubhouse as well, always full, and always booked out for events don't you ? In-fact the Merthyr RFC clubhouse is twice the size of Cardiff RFC clubhouse, which incidently is not owned by Cardiff RFC, it is owned by the Cardiff athleitics club, the same organisation that owns your stadium. So how you can use that as a stick to beat me with is just bollox. 

Also, Cardiff RFC do not have lounges, the ground does not have function rooms, so please stop talking bollox.

Cardiff Blues rent the ground off the athletics club, and the athletics club have feck all to do with Cardiff Blues.

LordDowlais wrote:

There is a multinational American company based in Tredegar that have just expanded to Merthyr, they are called Tenneco. Google them, they have been sponsoring Tredegar kids rugby for a while now.

PhilBB wrote:I look forward to the answers to my questions as I'm unaware of what valley hosts Bedwas, or how Peters Savoury Products has anything to do with Cardiff Rugby.

Where do you think that the family got their £££££'s from ?

Griff wrote:

LordDowlais wrote:

Griff wrote:
So you want hand outs. Show some of your own ambition, FFS, rather than running to the government for help, etc., etc., blah, blah.

Why should the new region, be any different to the others.

Which of the regions have had handout from the local government?  Scarlets I think.  Don't think the Blues or O's.  Certainly not the Dragons.  Not sure what your point is.  Local government is different from WRU, you know.  If you take from the local government you're taking money out of education, housing, leisure budgets, etc.  For shame, LD.  For shame!

PhilBB wrote:The ground has a number of function rooms. One underneath the hospitality boxes at the Westgate Street end, one behind the South Stand, one in the Airspace Lounge, one upstairs in the Clubhouse. You would surely know this if you'd ever been to the ground.

PhilBB wrote:And it's Athletic (singular) club. The same Athletic club who is the major shareholder in Cardiff Blues and had three seats on the Board. Maybe you could explain to me how that is having 'feck all to do with Cardiff Blues'? I look forward to your answer.

LordDowlais wrote:
WTF, how/who, would hold a wedding in those places ? Yes you have a nice few boxes, but those function rooms cannot hold a gathering, never mind a big [color=#536482]corporate event.

PhilBB wrote:

LordDowlais wrote:
WTF, how/who, would hold a wedding in those places ? Yes you have a nice few boxes, but those function rooms cannot hold a gathering, never mind a big [color=#536482]corporate event.

http://www.cardiffblues.com/armspark/weddings.php

Somebody disagrees with you.

LordDowlais wrote:Because you are trying to make out that Cardiff Blues are the full owners of everything down there, they do not own the ground and the facilities so how could they stand to make massive profits from them ALL YEAR ROUND as you put it. The Athletic clubs goes further afield than just the rugby side of it.

Anyway, this is all pointless, we are talking about Merthyr RFC, not Cardiff, and there is an infrastructure big enough up here to sustain a region, luckily, not everyone I speak to down there are not as narrow minded as you, they do at least recognise we have electricity up here past the Vale.

LordDowlais wrote:

That is the clubhouse, NOT THE GROUND.

PhilBB wrote:

LordDowlais wrote:

That is the clubhouse, NOT THE GROUND.

The clubhouse is in the ground, Champ. Don't we all know that?

LordDowlais wrote:
You were comparing PYS, and other stadiums, so please do move your goal posts, you are trying to convince me on a technicality, the Athletic club and the Arms park are two different venues, they are just next door to each other.

If you had said the club house before hand I would have inclined to agree with you, even though it is a tiny old poke of a club, but you were referring to stadiums and what they could offer all year around.