Political round up.............

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Turn up for the books.............The hard left guy gets on the ballot for the Labour leadership !!....Managed to bag 35 nominations although some were chucked at him by Burnham who will no doubt pick up many of his second preferences...........

Corbyn has no chance....

However it means one of the other three is likely to get hurt in the first round..........Corbyn no doubt will hoover up the extreme nutty left of which there are no doubt plenty in the Labour party and will probably get enough to take him through the first round !!...

(Cruddas finished top in the 2007 Deputy leader race after the first round (He was the "left" candidate)...Of course Harman and Johnson did better as the rounds progresses with second prefs...)

That means one of the three favorites is likely to be eliminated first..................

Latest odds............

Burnham 10/11
Kendall 5/2
Cooper 3/1
Corbyn 66/1 .................

F**k the members, they account for p!ss all votes compared to the entire national electorate. That's the kind of ignorance that lost Labour 2015.

Jarvis is the only one i see currently who could get the membership behind him and make Labour electable

wheelchair1991 wrote:Jarvis is the only one i see currently who could get the membership behind him and make Labour electable

It will be a compromise candidate..

See some Blairite numb nut has left Labour......

Blair commented on Denis Healey yet ???...Couldn't get him away from a microphone when Thatcher died...

Numb nut?

I'm not quite sure I agree with that old boy, you've shown a complete lack of basic understanding and the kind of general ignorance that last Labour GE2015.
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Nice enough, Mods?

wheelchair1991 wrote:Jarvis is the only one i see currently who could get the membership behind him and make Labour electable

Jarvis is the Tories worst nightmare Wheels........They can't paint him as weak....Pretty moderate...

Be a real great choice.......But you know what Labour is like..

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:

wheelchair1991 wrote:Jarvis is the only one i see currently who could get the membership behind him and make Labour electable

Jarvis is the Tories worst nightmare Wheels........They can't paint him as weak....Pretty moderate...

Be a real great choice.......But you know what Labour is like..

I know truss probebly elect Diane Abbott next

Just a quick update from inside the Labour party, people who voted for someone other then Jeremy Corbyn have been getting non stop abuse online and sometimes in meetings(myself included). The Tory Party has been contacting some members asking them if they want to jump ship to the Torys

Not good................Not really quite sure how one leaves the Labour party to join the Tories though. Chalk and cheese....

Any member you lose to the Tories is no great loss..

Not chalk and cheese neccessarily though.  A pro-market Blairite will have more in common with a middle-ground hunting Tory party that's trying to appeal en masse to the largest sections of the electorate than a Labour party that's wildly swinging left to garner the vocal minority vote.

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Not good................Not really quite sure how one leaves the Labour party to join the Tories though.  Chalk and cheese....

Any member you lose to the Tories is no great loss..

That's not quite true, it may appear it to those on the outside but its not quite as clear as that.

TopHat24/7 wrote:Not chalk and cheese neccessarily though.  A pro-market Blairite will have more in common with a middle-ground hunting Tory party that's trying to appeal en masse to the largest sections of the electorate than a Labour party that's wildly swinging left to garner the vocal minority vote.

Its not just the Blairite wing, even people who supported Milliband/Burnham have been approached and I am told are considering it

Someone mentioned on another thread about policitians wanting to keep their job.

Is it not UNreasonable to think, therefore, that some may prefer to be in a party in Government and potentially in Government again than a party that almost certainly won't be (in its current guise) and is having its principles shifted totally away from when that person actually aligns??


EDIT: meant unreasonable.....

Well i know of 3 locally elected people in my city who have been approached, the problem within the party at the moment is within the party if you dont agree with Corbyn you are called a 'tory' and a 'traitor'. For some the abuse is getting too much. I am one of the people getting daily abuse just because i said that in order to win Labour needs to attract those who voted Tory in 2015 to win.
I will not leave the party but many will

wheelchair1991 wrote:Well i know of 3 locally elected people in my city who have been approached, the problem within the party at the moment is within the party if you dont agree with Corbyn you are called a 'tory' and a 'traitor'. For some the abuse is getting too much.  I am one of the people getting daily abuse just because i said that in order to win Labour needs to attract those who voted Tory in 2015 to win.  
I will not leave the party but many will

Very smart. Labour needs more of that shrewdness.

Disagree..............

Labour just have to look competent (A problem I know)....Governments get voted out not voted in....

Problem is boundary changes.........

Dangerous does not look competent. Threaten people's incomes & stability and it'll be hard to win their votes.

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Disagree..............

Labour just have to look competent (A problem I know)....Governments get voted out not voted in....

Problem is boundary changes.........

And the new electoral representation Act is also a massive problem
for Labour

Not a Corbyn fan.....

He won't be there in 2020..............Osbourne's personal ratings are low...Jarvis a war veteran who looks a safe pair of hands and believes in business and social justice..

Labour have every chance..

Think you're being too Yank by placing emphasis on being a war vet. Nobody gives a sh!t over here about that really.

All helps...in building up a respected character.........

Something Miliband lacked....

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Not a Corbyn fan.....

He won't be there in 2020..............Osbourne's personal ratings are low...Jarvis a war veteran who looks a safe pair of hands and believes in business and social justice..

Labour have every chance..

If we have another leadership before 2020 and Jarvis stands, i will campaign and vote for him, at Conference the meeting which Jarvis was hosting was packed out. I have a feeling he stayed out of the Corbyn front bench team so that he could build his support within the party and have a clean slate when the time comes for him to stand

wheelchair1991 wrote:

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Disagree..............

Labour just have to look competent (A problem I know)....Governments get voted out not voted in....

Problem is boundary changes.........

And the new electoral representation Act is also a massive problem
for Labour

Hi Wheels, what's that?

I googled it and couldn't find it.

wheelchair1991 wrote:

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Not a Corbyn fan.....

He won't be there in 2020..............Osbourne's personal ratings are low...Jarvis a war veteran who looks a safe pair of hands and believes in business and social justice..

Labour have every chance..

If we have another leadership before 2020 and Jarvis stands, i will campaign and vote for him, at Conference the meeting which Jarvis was hosting was packed out.  I have a feeling he stayed out of the Corbyn front bench team so that he could build his support within the party and have a clean slate when the time comes for him to stand

He wasn't asked..

TopHat24/7 wrote:

wheelchair1991 wrote:

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Disagree..............

Labour just have to look competent (A problem I know)....Governments get voted out not voted in....

Problem is boundary changes.........

And the new electoral representation Act is also a massive problem
for Labour

Hi Wheels, what's that?

I googled it and couldn't find it.

It has not come into law yet but it will by next year, its where everyone has to register online individually to vote, it was supposed to come in last year but due to criticism it was largely delayed.
It is predicted of it is that unless you register yourself individually online then you won't be able to vote.  It is predicted it will wipe about 1 million off the electoral register. Most affected by this will be 18-24 year olds and students as they are very nomadic.  

So lots of the people who Corbyn will be banking on voting for him won't be able to vote as they will either forget to register or change address and forget to update the relevent City Council

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:

wheelchair1991 wrote:

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Not a Corbyn fan.....

He won't be there in 2020..............Osbourne's personal ratings are low...Jarvis a war veteran who looks a safe pair of hands and believes in business and social justice..

Labour have every chance..

If we have another leadership before 2020 and Jarvis stands, i will campaign and vote for him, at Conference the meeting which Jarvis was hosting was packed out.  I have a feeling he stayed out of the Corbyn front bench team so that he could build his support within the party and have a clean slate when the time comes for him to stand

He wasn't asked..

Yep so he says

I imagine someone as canny as Tom Watson will be setting up voter registration schemes.....

Labour's biggest problem is that lazy no good chumps don't vote..

I mean If you can't get them off their butts when their benefits are being threatened then when can you ??

These people get all they ask for.......it's the benefit people that want to work I have time for..Unfortunately they get culled in the same net..

The thing that could hamper the Tory's is the working tax credit cuts they are planning. As it attacks the benefits of people in work. There is a lot of tension in the Tory Party about the policy

Haven't you heard.......They are a good idea because it means some people have to work harder like the Chinese do and you can make more money !!...

Jeremy Hunt he's so dumb he makes Russell Brand look like Bill Gates..

Unlike Hunt, I doubt even Brand would be stupid enough to believe that homeopathy works.

wheelchair1991 wrote:

TopHat24/7 wrote:

wheelchair1991 wrote:

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Disagree..............

Labour just have to look competent (A problem I know)....Governments get voted out not voted in....

Problem is boundary changes.........

And the new electoral representation Act is also a massive problem
for Labour

Hi Wheels, what's that?

I googled it and couldn't find it.

It has not come into law yet but it will by next year, its where everyone has to register online individually to vote, it was supposed to come in last year but due to criticism it was largely delayed.
It is predicted of it is that unless you register yourself individually online then you won't be able to vote.  It is predicted it will wipe about 1 million off the electoral register. Most affected by this will be 18-24 year olds and students as they are very nomadic.  

So lots of the people who Corbyn will be banking on voting for him won't be able to vote as they will either forget to register or change address and forget to update the relevent City Council

Nomadic, yes, but also spending 50-80% of their lives online so registering there shouldn't be an issue. Would have thought it was more likely to hit the non-tech-savvy oldies that are more likely to be Tory voters. You register to vote already, via letter based on your address, so unless there's something I've missed I can't see why this would effect students (unless you can't register in Halls, for example).

wheelchair1991 wrote:The thing that could hamper the Tory's is the working tax credit cuts they are planning. As it attacks the benefits of people in work. There is a lot of tension in the Tory Party about the policy

Yeh, am not a fan of that (though I think the effect is overblown). Must say, I've not been a fan of a lot of what they're doing since they got a majority, shows that LD's really did achieve something in reigning the worst Tory elements/plans in.

Good chance my vote will swing again, to where I don't know......

superflyweight wrote:Unlike Hunt, I doubt even Brand would be stupid enough to believe that homeopathy works.  

Really? Strikes me as exactly the kind of person that would believe in homeopathy.

Alongside his bullet proof private medical too, obviously.

They attacked benefits between 2010-2015 and it cost the Lib dems 7/8 of their seats....

Cutting benefits in this parliament may like Wheely says be a whole new ball game..

Depends how many are affected I guess.....

Problem is there isn't any opposition..

TopHat24/7 wrote:

wheelchair1991 wrote:The thing that could hamper the Tory's is the working tax credit cuts they are planning. As it attacks the benefits of people in work. There is a lot of tension in the Tory Party about the policy

Yeh, am not a fan of that (though I think the effect is overblown).  Must say, I've not been a fan of a lot of what they're doing since they got a majority, shows that LD's really did achieve something in reigning the worst Tory elements/plans in.

Good chance my vote will swing again, to where I don't know......

UKIP, Toppy, it's the obvious answer!

wheelchair1991 wrote:If we have another leadership before 2020 and Jarvis stands, i will campaign and vote for him, at Conference the meeting which Jarvis was hosting was packed out.  I have a feeling he stayed out of the Corbyn front bench team so that he could build his support within the party and have a clean slate when the time comes for him to stand

I'm not entirely sure how that coup is supposed to play out without causing massive internal fighting, but who knows. On another note; I know it's a while off yet, but how do you see the Tory leadership change? Who's their version of a Jarvis/Corbyn/etc for you?

Apparently party backing is Osbourne but popular/public backing is Boris.

Can't say I'm massively happy with either, Boris probably as awful a prospect as PM as Corbs....

See The Telegraph has had to apologise for saying Labour mps called Corbyn an anti-semite off the back of an interview with an MP that said he never said it......

Just as cheap as The Sun, Mail, Mirror and all the other butt roll...

Never seen anybody take as much crap as this guy......Not even Gary Hart took this much crap..

Just as cheap as the Guardian with some of the guff it comes out with too....

Pathetic.

Why do you read it then...

Right back at ya.....

"Conservatives hold Jeremy Corbyn party at conference" .......

I might vote for Corbyn after all.............The sight of posh, moronic, hooray Percivals going around sneering may be too great....

Have to admit whenever I'm sitting in on interviews and a posh boy walks in I always do my best to make sure he doesn't get the job.....

Those Ivy leaguers back home have corrupted me...

Which simply shows how ignorant and poor at your own job you are.

Maybe that's because you never had to work for it, daddy (in law) got it for you.

Which, ironically, is just what Ivy Leaguers and Etonians are chastised for....

TopHat24/7 wrote:Which simply shows how ignorant and poor at your own job you are.

Maybe that's because you never had to work for it, daddy (in law) got it for you.

Which, ironically, is just what Ivy Leaguers and Etonians are chastised for....

There are worse things to be ignorant and poor at...

Which I'm sure you've ticked off as well.

Con 37 Lab 32 Lib 5 !! UKIP 15 (Opinion)

Con 36 Lab 32 Lib 10 UKIP 12 (Ipsos)

Corbyn to be Labour leader in 2017 - 8/13......

EU referendum - Stay in - 4/11..........Get out - 2/1 ......

EU referendum - Stay in - 38%..........Get out - 40% !!!....(Yougov)

Presidential election poll (Fox news)....
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Trump 26..Carson 23.....Rubio 11.......Cruz 11..............Bush 4 !!!!!!!...(RIP Bush campaign)

Expect Rubio to be nomination and expect him to beat Hillary........

I'm surprised the honeymoon period for Corbyn hasn't resulted in a surge for him in the polls.

In fairness he's been really hammered............Wasn't here in the 80s but I haven't seen any leader since 89 get the stick this guy gets......

He has cut the lead from 13 to 5 though .......

Too left wing for me...

I've heard Rubio will come out of nowhere and win it.

Do you think Biden will chuck his hat in the ring, Trussman?