Political round up.............

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Turn up for the books.............The hard left guy gets on the ballot for the Labour leadership !!....Managed to bag 35 nominations although some were chucked at him by Burnham who will no doubt pick up many of his second preferences...........

Corbyn has no chance....

However it means one of the other three is likely to get hurt in the first round..........Corbyn no doubt will hoover up the extreme nutty left of which there are no doubt plenty in the Labour party and will probably get enough to take him through the first round !!...

(Cruddas finished top in the 2007 Deputy leader race after the first round (He was the "left" candidate)...Of course Harman and Johnson did better as the rounds progresses with second prefs...)

That means one of the three favorites is likely to be eliminated first..................

Latest odds............

Burnham 10/11
Kendall 5/2
Cooper 3/1
Corbyn 66/1 .................

Alistair wrote:I've heard Rubio will come out of nowhere and win it.

Do you think Biden will chuck his hat in the ring, Trussman?

He's ruled it out.............Had a bad year with the death of his son and he's older than Hilary (It's a hard slog).........He seems to be the sort of guy that has other interests...

The Clintons - Politics is their life....(Sham marriage really isn't it ??? must of screwed around 40 women)

Do you think Rubio is definitely going to take the nomination, or is there a possibility that Trump could potentially win the race?

If Trump or Carson win the race the Republican effort is dead. They know that. Trump and Carson both have large followings among the protozoan areas of America but nowhere near enough to secure the Presidency.

I'm enjoying Bernie Sanders, personally.

Don't forget when the establishment candidates drop out the support and "money"will go to the other establishment candidates especially the guy most likely to win..........Once Iowa comes in it will all change....

All about money.........Trump can't compete with the republican machine...

Pr4wn wrote:If Trump or Carson win the race the Republican effort is dead. They know that. Trump and Carson both have large followings among the protozoan areas of America but nowhere near enough to secure the Presidency.

I'm enjoying Bernie Sanders, personally.

Carson hasn't been thoroughly vetted yet although his poll numbers are a surprise.....I like him... though he does have a lightweight look about him !!!

The Republicans won't elect a black man........Can't see it.....The south still aren't ready..

You like Carson? Are you serious? Always thought you were a reasonable man, Truss.

Here's something pretty funny for you to read: http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/nov/06/ben-carson-us-presidency-brain-surgery

I've been enjoying Bernie Sanders, though admittedly Larry David has helped with a lot of that!

I'm not at all surprised by the failure of the Bush campaign.

Sanders is too left wing......Never had a prayer..

But Carson actually has a screw loose. He's basing his tax structure on the bible and believes the pyramids were used to store grain. He's also said that gun control was a contributing cause of the holocaust.

Seriously Truss, you can't be serious.

I personally like him.......I'm not a Republican......Heaven forbid !!....

He has dignity and class......Unlike the other professional butt wipes..

I'm pro abortion, pro universal healthcare and for tax breaks for the working and middle classes....

That rules me out of voting for the GOP..........

But he's a total kook. He makes Trump look hinged.

Donald is the amusing candidate...............Gets very Personal and full of his own self importance....

Get your Trump doll here !!! pull the cord and hear.................

"I went to the great Wharton business school and did well.....I'm a billionnaire ten times over...I can walk on water......I buy politicians...They can't buy me so give me your vote!!"

Hero wrote:I'm surprised the honeymoon period for Corbyn hasn't resulted in a surge for him in the polls.

I think 32% is his honeymoon; Labour will be polling in the low 20s if he still remains in 2020.

Labour's core vote is around 28 percent and with the newly acquired green vote that has seemingly returned.

It's hardly likely to poll so low.

I have been warned by the labour party to stop criticising Corbyn

What do you mean ???

Enlighten us wheels...

Well for example after Corbyn Party Conference speech i said it feels like we are talking to ourselves again, which the labour party did not like, then after the John Mcdonnell's party conference speech where he backed the fiscal charter only to reverse that a week later, i said "he was leading a rebellion against his own policy, old habits die hard"

I have also been working in conjunction with my local MP Robin Walker who is a Tory to create a reverse jobs fair where local buisness firms who have no disabled workers come and hear the advantages of employing disabled workers.

So most of that has made me unpopular with some in the party

You are going to have to decide which is the worst of two evils mate...The Tories or the hard left....and If it's the latter rein your contempt in. My guess is Corbyn is gone by 2018..

I imagine for a man of integrity voting Lib dems is out of the question...

Like the GOP I could never vote Conservative.....Mainly because I hate bigoted snobs...and I had to live with one for over four years...Though it did have its compensations..

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:You are going to have to decide which is the worst of two evils mate...The Tories or the hard left....and If it's the latter rein your contempt in.  My guess is Corbyn is gone by 2018..

I imagine for a man of integrity voting Lib dems is out of the question...

Like the GOP I could never vote Conservative.....Mainly because I hate bigoted snobs...and I had to live with one for over four years...Though it did have its compensations..

I will never join the Tories mate but you have to work with people who you don't agree with, as it happens Robin Walker and i get on despite our different political outlooks. Something like disability employment needs a long term cross party plan and it should not be a political football. Some in the Labour Party don't like me for opposing Corbyn and working on certain issues close to my heart with members of other parties. However if i can just help one disabled person into work then all the constant greif i get will be worth it

Don't get your hopes up mate.

Well in two days ive managed to get my City Council to conduct a full review into disability employment in the City with backing from both labour and tories, i have also spoke to the disabilities minister in the government and we will be hosting a huge reverse jobs fare in Worcester early in the new year with cross party support so its going well at the moment

Your aim is for the acquirement of interviews for disabled people right ??

As opposed to hiring practices at the interview stage ??

My problem is with pressure employers may be forced into having an employee that isn't suitable for the job...

I sit in on interviews and the CV is just a portion of the selection. Appearance, personality, Do they come across as team players, would they be good with clients, ....All comes into it with other stuff.

My problem is unless you're in the interview with a disabled candidate you have no idea how they come across....So it's folly to assume they've been screwed.

My main aims at the moment i believe are attainable, one of the main issues i had was actually getting seen and as i outlined in a previous thread, i applied with the same cv but having hidden the disability i then got the interviews.  Once at the interview i proved i could do the job and got hired but getting to that stage proved almost impossible with everyone when i was being honest.
I have also campaigned to stop have the 'are you disabled?" Question on job applications being binary 'yes-no' question as that is just wrong and there should be space to explain what your actual disability is

Not much polling news..............ICM poll disagreeing with yougov over Europe..

Stay 46%................Out 38% ....


Syria (Sky News poll) Would you support sending the troops into Syria ??

Yes 46%.......No 31% !!!!.....(one has to remember SKy News watchers like Fox tend to lean to the right and the channel has a right wing agenda)

Poll was conducted before the French atrocity.

Sky News is garbage.

Adam Boulton is the UK's answer to Rush Limbaugh.

Adam Boulton and Kay Burley are rubbish

Think what sky news would be like If the News of the world scandal hadn't have broke..

http://blogs.new.spectator.co.uk/2015/11/labour-in-a-spot-of-bother-in-oldham-west-by-election/

Excellent news. What a wonderful steal this could be for UKIP.

Didn't I see Kay Burley approach a man in a queue a few days ago, after doing a big pre-chat about people coming in their droves to give blood, and asked him why he was there?

"Em, maybe you guess? No?"

Duty281 wrote:http://blogs.new.spectator.co.uk/2015/11/labour-in-a-spot-of-bother-in-oldham-west-by-election/

Excellent news. What a wonderful steal this could be for UKIP.

No chance ......Meacher was left wing.......Corbyn is left wing...

People are interested in making ends meet.

Shoot to kill crap isn't going to resonate...

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:

Duty281 wrote:http://blogs.new.spectator.co.uk/2015/11/labour-in-a-spot-of-bother-in-oldham-west-by-election/

Excellent news. What a wonderful steal this could be for UKIP.

No chance ......Meacher was left wing.......Corbyn is left wing...

People are interested in making ends meet.

Shoot to kill crap isn't going to resonate...

Ah but the Labour candidate this time around is one of those centre chaps - he backed Kendall at the leadership election. Slight conflict, one thinks.

I think UKIP have perhaps a 15-20% chance of turning Labour over - the turnout will be lower; the Tory vote is heading UKIP's way; that lovely protest vote is heading UKIP's way.

Maybe, just maybe.

Truss, don't feed the troll. He wants a rise.

Pr4wn wrote:Truss, don't feed the troll. He wants a rise.

Tut, tut, moderator.

You know exactly what you're doing, ex-moderator

I was never quite extended the luxury of ever being a moderator.

To my great misfortune.

Always get you and Toppy mixed up, apologies

Duty isn't a troll what he is...Is the eternal optimist..

UKIP have no chance at the bi election their finances are a shambles and one of their orgainisers told me they don't have enoughmoney to put many boots on the ground in Oldham. The press will hype it up but in reality it isnt that interesting as its a safe seat

Corbyn is dead man walking....He can't keep taking this heat...

Going to be a bloody civil war...in your party if he stays or goes...

You'll lose your left or right...and you need both.

wheelchair1991 wrote:UKIP have no chance at the bi election their finances are a shambles and one of their orgainisers told me they don't have enoughmoney to put many boots on the ground in Oldham. The press will hype it up but in reality it isnt that interesting as its a safe seat

We'll see, my lad, we'll see. And money isn't really an issue in that sense, seeing as how the overwhelming majority of people who leaflet/canvass are humble volunteers.

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:You'll lose your left or right...and you need both.

Biggest problem is that it looks more like a members vs MPs thing if it happens too soon.

The party doesn't know what it stands for...

Which doesn't help in attracting potential voters like me....

I'm not voting for a nutter and I'm not voting for another Tory party..

It better start asking itself serious questions..

Stop the presses....In the latest Ipsos poll Corbyn has better leadership ratings than Cameron....-3 v -15....

UKIP have fallen to just 7 percent........ lower than the Libs for the first time in 5 years. ..

But Labour in the same poll are on 34% torys on 41%

UKIP are a busted flush

Still a shock poll...

Especially if you want him out..

Devastating comres poll for Labour...

Con - 42
Lab - 27
UKIP- 15........Good news for Duty..

Labour are committing suicide. .

The polls seem to be all over the place UKIP have double the support then in the poll the other day. Polls usually have a 3% margin of error but its gone way beyond that.

Wait until a trend appears. Labour are behind no doubt and far behind

When a guy has got 50% of the membership....I can't see how you can screw him and keep left wing voters.....

Labour is screwed either way..

Yep, Labour are in terminal decline. Which is great news for anyone who actually believes in the great and the good of this country, along with our heritage and values.