Political round up.............

by TRUSSMAN66 Mon 15 Jun 2015, 3:21 pm

First topic message reminder :

Turn up for the books.............The hard left guy gets on the ballot for the Labour leadership !!....Managed to bag 35 nominations although some were chucked at him by Burnham who will no doubt pick up many of his second preferences...........

Corbyn has no chance....

However it means one of the other three is likely to get hurt in the first round..........Corbyn no doubt will hoover up the extreme nutty left of which there are no doubt plenty in the Labour party and will probably get enough to take him through the first round !!...

(Cruddas finished top in the 2007 Deputy leader race after the first round (He was the "left" candidate)...Of course Harman and Johnson did better as the rounds progresses with second prefs...)

That means one of the three favorites is likely to be eliminated first..................

Latest odds............

Burnham 10/11
Kendall 5/2
Cooper 3/1
Corbyn 66/1 .................

by TopHat24/7 Mon 25 Jan 2016, 3:09 pm

Duty281 wrote:Unskilled migrants - nay. This country has a surplus of unskilled labour, which has been confirmed by the Bank of England to cause wage compression.

Skilled migrants - yay.

Simples! Or at least it will be once this country chooses to govern itself again, rather than having the European Union do so.

1. Depends on your definition of 'skilled'.

2. What about migrants that fall into your definition but have little or no interest in actually working? Perhaps because they can't find employment here.

by Duty281 Mon 25 Jan 2016, 3:42 pm

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Yep heaven forbid anybody from a poor background should try to come here and work to better himself..

Have a foreign cleaner here who is working two jobs and doing night school.....

Good look to her.....Long may her type come into the UK...

I have no problem with anyone from a poor background wanting to come here to better themselves.

The only barometer is skilled v unskilled.

by Duty281 Mon 25 Jan 2016, 3:49 pm

TopHat24/7 wrote:
Duty281 wrote:Unskilled migrants - nay. This country has a surplus of unskilled labour, which has been confirmed by the Bank of England to cause wage compression.

Skilled migrants - yay.

Simples! Or at least it will be once this country chooses to govern itself again, rather than having the European Union do so.

1. Depends on your definition of 'skilled'.

2. What about migrants that fall into your definition but have little or no interest in actually working? Perhaps because they can't find employment here.

1) A skilled migrant would be someone who has a trade/skill that fills a gap for this country's needs. You can add everything else up on the calculator.

2) That would be a very slender minority.

by TopHat24/7 Mon 25 Jan 2016, 5:33 pm

Duty281 wrote:
TopHat24/7 wrote:
Duty281 wrote:Unskilled migrants - nay. This country has a surplus of unskilled labour, which has been confirmed by the Bank of England to cause wage compression.

Skilled migrants - yay.

Simples! Or at least it will be once this country chooses to govern itself again, rather than having the European Union do so.

1. Depends on your definition of 'skilled'.

2. What about migrants that fall into your definition but have little or no interest in actually working? Perhaps because they can't find employment here.

1) A skilled migrant would be someone who has a trade/skill that fills a gap for this country's needs. You can add everything else up on the calculator.

2) That would be a very slender minority.

1) Examples?? Some of the biggest complaints re EE/CE immigrants is in the trades, but that's where arguably there have been the biggest skills shortages. So say some trained sparkies or chippies come over - they'll be self employed so no job offer on the table, they may end up never getting any work. But they're allowed in whilst others aren't because they don't have the 'right' skill?

by TRUSSMAN66 Mon 25 Jan 2016, 5:46 pm

Farage wants highly skilled well paid types to come in....

You know the ones that are right wing and might vote UKIP....

by TopHat24/7 Fri 29 Jan 2016, 3:30 pm

Latest polling is out http://ukpollingreport.co.uk/

CON 40%, LAB 31%, LDEM 7%, UKIP 11%, GRN 4%

More interestingly, more specific questions:

On having the “best policies for the country as a whole” the Conservatives now lead by ten points (compared to a two point Tory lead in 2010 and 2014, and a Labour lead from 1992 to 2005).

On being the most clear and united about its policies the Conservatives lead by twenty points (compared to ten points in 2014, five points in 2010. The last time there was a lead this big was a 31 point lead for Labour in 2001.)

On having the best “team of leaders” the Conservatives lead by twenty-seven points (compared to eleven points in 2014 and five points in 2010 – again you need to go back to Labour in 2001 to find a larger lead)

The only measure where Labour haven’t collapsed is “looking after the interests of people like yourself” – here the Conservatives have a narrow lead of four points, compared to a two point Labour lead in 2014 and a four point Tory lead in 2010.

So people, overall, are fairly balanced as to which party best represents their interests. But the Corbyn mess continues to hamper voter views of Labour, albeit not as badly reflected in voting polls.

by TRUSSMAN66 Fri 29 Jan 2016, 3:53 pm

Funny how some people are forever moaning that polling is b*** crap but as soon as a good one comes along..

They print it..

by Mad for Chelsea Fri 29 Jan 2016, 3:57 pm

TBH I'm amazed that so many people reckon the Conservatives are the party most clear and united about its policies. Surely division over Europe, and uncertainty over how great the tax deal with Google is counts as "not very united"? Though Labour are even less so. of course.

I would have gone with UKIP on that one TBH. Their policies are a bunch of racist nonsense that have no chance of working, but at least their "everything will be great once we stop/curb immigration" line is clear and united Wink

by TRUSSMAN66 Fri 29 Jan 2016, 4:03 pm

Labour are going to have to move ...hopefully sooner than later on Corbyn...

Hunt has just u-turned on pay...They were embarrassd over tax credits.......U turn over syrian refugees...... U-turn over MP's pay...embarrassing U turn over Saudi's prison contract...

They are just incompetent posh boys...

and no one is kicking them in the nuts about it !!.....Labour could get these out......

They have to move to the center..

by Mad for Chelsea Fri 29 Jan 2016, 4:23 pm

well you could argue that since all those U-turns have takne place since Corbyn took over, so maybe he's doing something right?

by Duty281 Fri 29 Jan 2016, 4:25 pm

I've still got my fingers tightly crossed for the day when the Labour and Tory parties die a death.

What policies do the (so-called) Conservatives even have? All I heard from Cameron in the run-up to the election was a bunch of meaningless cliches, with no substance what so ever. Miliband ditto. Cameron has been Prime Minister for nearly six years. What has he achieved?

Team of leaders? Wow, what a choice. Neither Cameron nor Corbyn are leaders. One is an insipid, shallow shell, with no vision and a base ignorance of this nation's history. The other is...well...striving for a philosophy of failure, whilst preaching the gospel of envy.

And 'looking after the interests of people like yourself?' The two main parties simply don't care. They only seek power. And they get this power through incessant media coverage, inordinate amounts of money, and a democracy that largely doesn't care about politics.

by TRUSSMAN66 Fri 29 Jan 2016, 4:27 pm

Mad for Chelsea wrote:well you could argue that since all those U-turns have takne place since Corbyn took over, so maybe he's doing something right?

They did 50 u-turns between 2010-2015 ..

Nice Try Chelsea...But I think they are just incompetent..

That incompetence needs exposing....

by TopHat24/7 Fri 29 Jan 2016, 4:28 pm

1. U-turns are a mis-nomer. Didn't matter a jot in GE2015 and won't in GE2020.

2. Voting polls are still largely bunkum. It's the other stuff that's interesting.

Which is all I'll say on those notes.

by TRUSSMAN66 Fri 29 Jan 2016, 4:33 pm

Duty281 wrote:I've still got my fingers tightly crossed for the day when the Labour and Tory parties die a death.

What policies do the (so-called) Conservatives even have? All I heard from Cameron in the run-up to the election was a bunch of meaningless cliches, with no substance what so ever. Miliband ditto. Cameron has been Prime Minister for nearly six years. What has he achieved?

Team of leaders? Wow, what a choice. Neither Cameron nor Corbyn are leaders. One is an insipid, shallow shell, with no vision and a base ignorance of this nation's history. The other is...well...striving for a philosophy of failure, whilst preaching the gospel of envy.

And 'looking after the interests of people like yourself?' The two main parties simply don't care. They only seek power. And they get this power through incessant media coverage, inordinate amounts of money, and a democracy that largely doesn't care about politics.

Cameron polls highly and carries his party...........The main reason they won 2015...was Ed didn't resonate..

Corbyn is dreadful...

When Cammy goes perhaps Labour have a chance with the smug Osbourne..

Blair exposed Major's u-turns and made his party look a shambles.....

U-turns are important if regularly exposed and hammered home....It's pretty obvious..

by Duty281 Fri 29 Jan 2016, 4:47 pm

Mad for Chelsea wrote:well you could argue that since all those U-turns have takne place since Corbyn took over, so maybe he's doing something right?

Well whoever is the next leader of the Tory party will have a lot to thank him for, since said leader will have the easiest-possible stroll to number ten, followed by a parliamentary majority as big as that which Tony Blair achieved in '97.

by TopHat24/7 Fri 29 Jan 2016, 4:58 pm

Mad for Chelsea wrote:TBH I'm amazed that so many people reckon the Conservatives are the party most clear and united about its policies. Surely division over Europe, and uncertainty over how great the tax deal with Google is counts as "not very united"? Though Labour are even less so. of course.

I would have gone with UKIP on that one TBH. Their policies are a bunch of racist nonsense that have no chance of working, but at least their "everything will be great once we stop/curb immigration" line is clear and united

Agreed!

by TRUSSMAN66 Fri 29 Jan 2016, 5:15 pm

Duty281 wrote:
Mad for Chelsea wrote:well you could argue that since all those U-turns have takne place since Corbyn took over, so maybe he's doing something right?

Well whoever is the next leader of the Tory party will have a lot to thank him for, since said leader will have the easiest-possible stroll to number ten, followed by a parliamentary majority as big as that which Tony Blair achieved in '97.

Jarvis or Nandy won't be a stroll...Corbyn won't last till 2020.

by Duty281 Fri 29 Jan 2016, 5:16 pm

TopHat24/7 wrote:
Mad for Chelsea wrote:TBH I'm amazed that so many people reckon the Conservatives are the party most clear and united about its policies. Surely division over Europe, and uncertainty over how great the tax deal with Google is counts as "not very united"? Though Labour are even less so. of course.

I would have gone with UKIP on that one TBH. Their policies are a bunch of racist nonsense that have no chance of working, but at least their "everything will be great once we stop/curb immigration" line is clear and united

Agreed!

I remember that idiotic UKIP candidate who was conspiring with the EDL just before the election. Oh no...that was a Conservative!

Anyway, did anyone see that idiotic UKIP woman on Question Time last night? She said that 400 sexual assaults in Cologne were like a Friday night in Birmingham. Oh no...that was a Labour MP!

And did anyone read about the London mayoral debate last night? That man who proudly proclaimed he wanted to be London's first gay mayor - what party does he represent again? Surely not those UKIP nutters...

by Duty281 Fri 29 Jan 2016, 5:20 pm

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:
Duty281 wrote:
Mad for Chelsea wrote:well you could argue that since all those U-turns have takne place since Corbyn took over, so maybe he's doing something right?

Well whoever is the next leader of the Tory party will have a lot to thank him for, since said leader will have the easiest-possible stroll to number ten, followed by a parliamentary majority as big as that which Tony Blair achieved in '97.

Jarvis or Nandy won't be a stroll...Corbyn won't last till 2020.

True, he won't last any longer than another 18 months (barring a complete party split), but the damage has already been done. It can't be repaired in the short time-frame before the 2020 election that will be available to the new leader.

by TopHat24/7 Fri 29 Jan 2016, 5:23 pm

LD's had a homosexual man campaign for mayor twice (I voted for him the first time) so it's hardly revolutionary - especially since it'll never happen (UKIP mayor, gay mayor more likely).

by TRUSSMAN66 Fri 29 Jan 2016, 5:24 pm

Duty281 wrote:
TopHat24/7 wrote:
Mad for Chelsea wrote:TBH I'm amazed that so many people reckon the Conservatives are the party most clear and united about its policies. Surely division over Europe, and uncertainty over how great the tax deal with Google is counts as "not very united"? Though Labour are even less so. of course.

I would have gone with UKIP on that one TBH. Their policies are a bunch of racist nonsense that have no chance of working, but at least their "everything will be great once we stop/curb immigration" line is clear and united

Agreed!

I remember that idiotic UKIP candidate who was conspiring with the EDL just before the election. Oh no...that was a Conservative!

Anyway, did anyone see that idiotic UKIP woman on Question Time last night? She said that 400 sexual assaults in Cologne were like a Friday night in Birmingham. Oh no...that was a Labour MP!

And did anyone read about the London mayoral debate last night? That man who proudly proclaimed he wanted to be London's first gay mayor - what party does he represent again? Surely not those UKIP nutters...

Sad thing is unlike your party these are exceptions to the norm...They need to move to Bongo bongo land..

by Duty281 Fri 29 Jan 2016, 5:36 pm

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:
Duty281 wrote:
TopHat24/7 wrote:
Mad for Chelsea wrote:TBH I'm amazed that so many people reckon the Conservatives are the party most clear and united about its policies. Surely division over Europe, and uncertainty over how great the tax deal with Google is counts as "not very united"? Though Labour are even less so. of course.

I would have gone with UKIP on that one TBH. Their policies are a bunch of racist nonsense that have no chance of working, but at least their "everything will be great once we stop/curb immigration" line is clear and united

Agreed!

I remember that idiotic UKIP candidate who was conspiring with the EDL just before the election. Oh no...that was a Conservative!

Anyway, did anyone see that idiotic UKIP woman on Question Time last night? She said that 400 sexual assaults in Cologne were like a Friday night in Birmingham. Oh no...that was a Labour MP!

And did anyone read about the London mayoral debate last night? That man who proudly proclaimed he wanted to be London's first gay mayor - what party does he represent again? Surely not those UKIP nutters...

Sad thing is unlike your party these are exceptions to the norm...They need to move to Bongo bongo land..

Except they aren't, and that's just my point.

by TRUSSMAN66 Fri 29 Jan 2016, 5:40 pm

So most Labour members think Birmingham is a war zone..

by Duty281 Fri 29 Jan 2016, 5:48 pm

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:So most Labour members think Birmingham is a war zone..

No, what I meant was there is probably an equal proportion of idiots in all the main parties. The media, however, give a distorted impression that UKIP is full to the brim with these idiots, which is plainly incorrect.

by TRUSSMAN66 Fri 29 Jan 2016, 6:04 pm

Every party has idiots...Just that your party has them in top positions..

by Duty281 Fri 29 Jan 2016, 6:13 pm

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Every party has idiots...Just that your party has them in top positions..

I think every party has idiots in top positions, in all truth. But at least our idiot can have a bloody good laugh about it Wink

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=65IYziKexjA

by Duty281 Fri 05 Feb 2016, 10:19 pm

Duty281 wrote:I see the Labour party have held another gender-segregated meeting:

http://order-order.com/2015/11/30/labour-hold-another-segregated-rally/

What a disgusting, vile party Labour are. Why isn't this on the front page of every newspaper in the land?

Just a follow-up to this.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-35504185
http://www.mwnuk.co.uk//go_files/resources/422693-Labour%20Party%20Complaint%20Letter.pdf

"It appears that over decades senior Labour politicians have deliberately turned a blind eye to the treatment of Muslim women because votes have been more important to them than women's rights."

I can't say I'm surprised.

by TRUSSMAN66 Fri 05 Feb 2016, 10:28 pm

If only Labour were as perfect as UKIP..

by Duty281 Fri 05 Feb 2016, 10:31 pm

Do you have anything of any worth to contribute?

by TRUSSMAN66 Fri 05 Feb 2016, 10:56 pm

Maybe ..but it's pointless wasting it on you..

You're not open to debate...

Just make your little UKIP broadcast and your Labour smears...

And sling it..

by Duty281 Fri 05 Feb 2016, 11:05 pm

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:You're not open to debate...

And sling it..

Oh dear, have you been taking lessons from TopHat on irony? laughing

by TRUSSMAN66 Fri 05 Feb 2016, 11:08 pm

I don't get "irony"..I'm American.

by Duty281 Fri 05 Feb 2016, 11:24 pm

Well either way, let us hope that the Labour Party carry out a thorough investigation, and severely reprimand any perpetrators if any wrong-doing is discovered.

by TRUSSMAN66 Fri 05 Feb 2016, 11:36 pm

Yes fancy Labour overlooking Women's rights...

The party that closed the gender pay gap....

Brought in domestic violence courts....

3500 sure start centers...

Increased the r*** conviction rate...

Yep Labour are anti-Women

by Duty281 Fri 05 Feb 2016, 11:38 pm

Who on earth is saying that Labour are anti-women? Headscratch

by TRUSSMAN66 Fri 05 Feb 2016, 11:42 pm

Duty281 wrote:
Duty281 wrote:I see the Labour party have held another gender-segregated meeting:

http://order-order.com/2015/11/30/labour-hold-another-segregated-rally/

What a disgusting, vile party Labour are. Why isn't this on the front page of every newspaper in the land?

Just a follow-up to this.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-35504185
http://www.mwnuk.co.uk//go_files/resources/422693-Labour%20Party%20Complaint%20Letter.pdf

"It appears that over decades senior Labour politicians have deliberately turned a blind eye to the treatment of Muslim women because votes have been more important to them than women's rights."

I can't say I'm surprised.

by Duty281 Fri 05 Feb 2016, 11:43 pm

And where do I say Labour are anti-women?

by TRUSSMAN66 Fri 05 Feb 2016, 11:49 pm

You didn't have to...

by Duty281 Fri 05 Feb 2016, 11:51 pm

If it helps: I don't think Labour are anti-women.

by TRUSSMAN66 Fri 05 Feb 2016, 11:54 pm

Good night Duty...

by Duty281 Fri 05 Feb 2016, 11:58 pm

You're not open to debate, Truss.

So sling it (...).

by TRUSSMAN66 Sat 06 Feb 2016, 3:31 pm

Duty281 wrote:
TopHat24/7 wrote:
Mad for Chelsea wrote:TBH I'm amazed that so many people reckon the Conservatives are the party most clear and united about its policies. Surely division over Europe, and uncertainty over how great the tax deal with Google is counts as "not very united"? Though Labour are even less so. of course.

I would have gone with UKIP on that one TBH. Their policies are a bunch of racist nonsense that have no chance of working, but at least their "everything will be great once we stop/curb immigration" line is clear and united

Agreed!

I remember that idiotic UKIP candidate who was conspiring with the EDL just before the election. Oh no...that was a Conservative!

Anyway, did anyone see that idiotic UKIP woman on Question Time last night? She said that 400 sexual assaults in Cologne were like a Friday night in Birmingham. Oh no...that was a Labour MP!

And did anyone read about the London mayoral debate last night? That man who proudly proclaimed he wanted to be London's first gay mayor - what party does he represent again? Surely not those UKIP nutters...

Isolated nitpicking is hardly rebuttal..

by Steffan Sat 06 Feb 2016, 3:37 pm

Apparently not all UKIP voters are racist and bigoted. Some are also homophobic and misogynistic as well

by **navyblueshorts** Sat 06 Feb 2016, 4:34 pm

Duty281 wrote:And where do I say Labour are anti-women?

Oh, give it up. You quoted "...because votes have been more important to them than women's rights."

by Duty281 Sat 06 Feb 2016, 6:44 pm

navyblueshorts wrote:
Duty281 wrote:And where do I say Labour are anti-women?
Oh, give it up. You quoted "...because votes have been more important to them than women's rights."

Do I think that Labour are happy to overlook some indiscretions that occur within the confines of a certain culture and community in this country, just so they can maintain part of their voter base? Almost certainly.

Do I think that Labour are anti-women as a whole because of that? Certainly not.

by TRUSSMAN66 Sat 06 Feb 2016, 6:55 pm

Every party is happy to overlook indiscretions...

Just stop with your pitiful smearing...

Try telling us what we don't know..

by Duty281 Sat 06 Feb 2016, 7:25 pm

It's a smear but it's also something you already know?

Think you may have the language somewhat confused.

by TRUSSMAN66 Sat 06 Feb 2016, 9:44 pm

I'm not playing word games with you....

by Duty281 Sat 06 Feb 2016, 10:01 pm

Correct, you're offering a rather bungled and muddled defence of the Labour Party.

by TRUSSMAN66 Tue 09 Feb 2016, 4:06 pm

Duty281 wrote:Correct, you're offering a rather bungled and muddled defence of the Labour Party.

Pointless trying to debate you......Think others seem to have given up too..

Worth remembering about the polls..............After the fiasco at 2015 the pollsters have changed their weightings........So If Corbyn is nine points down.......Pre 2015 he'd probably be less....

More emphasis now on those certain to turn up..

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