Aviva Prem fixtures announced today - Pro12 to follow suit?

by Chunky Norwich Fri 03 Jul 2015, 10:43 am

First topic message reminder :

Aviva Premiership fixtures announced today. Great for the fans to be aware of when and where their teams will play.

Lets see how far the pro12 are behind in releasing theirs.

by Sin é Wed 15 Jul 2015, 1:51 pm

ScarletSpiderman wrote:
Sin é wrote:Remind me, what is the problem with Sunday games in Wales?

Transport networks are dire (at some points no existent) on Sundays.

Well, you are very lucky then you are not in Ireland because public transport is non-existent anyday out side the major cities.

by Chunky Norwich Wed 15 Jul 2015, 1:53 pm

Munchkin wrote:

You think the logistics of the Champions Cup is any easier?!?

You think the amount of live broadcasts in the Champions Cup is any easier!?![/quote]

Clearly, as I've already said.

The amount of live broadcasters in the Champions Cup isn't that much different to the amount of live broadcasters in PRO12, and unlike the PRO12 the UK&Ireland broadcasters are not free to air.

2 v 7

So your miles off.

There maybe only two broadcasters to satisfy UK&Ireland, but we're talking about the Champions Cup as a whole! Maybe you shouldn't mention the Italians involvement in the PRO12 at all if that's going to be your argument, and forget about time zones. Your argument makes that irrelevant.

Fair enough.

by Guest Wed 15 Jul 2015, 1:59 pm

Chunky Norwich wrote:
Munchkin wrote:It's also a fact that PRO12 has less issues than the AP. PRO12 doesn't have clubs massively in debt as the AP does and neither is PRO12 bogged down in a fight over Salary cap. PRO12 teams are competing with AP teams on the European front, and that's despite the fact that PRO12 is still a very young league in comparison.

What a load of sh1t. Munster are heavily in debt. Pro12 teams competing with AP teams?

Lame stuff.

Again you lack the facts. Munster is one team, and their debt is not typical of clubs in the PRO12. Munsters debt pales into comparison when compared to some of the AP clubs. Munsters debt is to IRFU, and IRFU will not demand it, and there is always the chance that it will be written off. Remember, Munster is a branch of the IRFU, unlike some of these clubs which are owned by businessmen.

You're losing your composure, Chunky. Losing arguments isn't pleasant for you, but do try to remain calm Very Happy

by Guest Wed 15 Jul 2015, 2:01 pm

Chunky Norwich wrote:
Munchkin wrote:

You think the logistics of the Champions Cup is any easier?!?

You think the amount of live broadcasts in the Champions Cup is any easier!?!

Clearly, as I've already said.

The amount of live broadcasters in the Champions Cup isn't that much different to the amount of live broadcasters in PRO12, and unlike the PRO12 the UK&Ireland broadcasters are not free to air.

2 v 7

So your miles off.

There maybe only two broadcasters to satisfy UK&Ireland, but we're talking about the Champions Cup as a whole! Maybe you shouldn't mention the Italians involvement in the PRO12 at all if that's going to be your argument, and forget about time zones. Your argument makes that irrelevant.

Fair enough.[/quote]

United Kingdom & Ireland:
TV: BT Sport & Sky Sports,[13]
Radio: BBC Radio, RTÉ & Newstalk[14]
France: beIN Sports, France Télévisions [15][16]
Italy: Sky Italia[17]
Spain: Canal+
Australia: Setanta Sports
Asia Pacific: Setanta Sports
United States: ESPN3
Portugal: SportTV
Canada: Sportsnet World
Romania: Digi Sport
Brazil: ESPN+

by Chunky Norwich Wed 15 Jul 2015, 2:02 pm

Munchkin wrote:
Chunky Norwich wrote:
Munchkin wrote:It's also a fact that PRO12 has less issues than the AP. PRO12 doesn't have clubs massively in debt as the AP does and neither is PRO12 bogged down in a fight over Salary cap. PRO12 teams are competing with AP teams on the European front, and that's despite the fact that PRO12 is still a very young league in comparison.

What a load of sh1t. Munster are heavily in debt. Pro12 teams competing with AP teams?

Lame stuff.

Again you lack the facts. Munster is one team, and their debt is not typical of clubs in the PRO12. Munsters debt pales into comparison when compared to some of the AP clubs. Munsters debt is to IRFU, and IRFU will not demand it, and there is always the chance that it will be written off. Remember, Munster is a branch of the IRFU, unlike some of these clubs which are owned by businessmen.

You're losing your composure, Chunky. Losing arguments isn't pleasant for you, but do try to remain calm

It's just got to eb pointed out to you that you are posting a load of drivel.

The pro12 having "less issues" than the AP is a fantastic comment. Not even the pro12 chiefs agree with that one!

by Chunky Norwich Wed 15 Jul 2015, 2:02 pm

Munchkin wrote:

United Kingdom & Ireland:
TV: BT Sport & Sky Sports,[13]
Radio: BBC Radio, RTÉ & Newstalk[14]
France: beIN Sports, France Télévisions [15][16]
Italy: Sky Italia[17]
Spain: Canal+
Australia: Setanta Sports
Asia Pacific: Setanta Sports
United States: ESPN3
Portugal: SportTV
Canada: Sportsnet World
Romania: Digi Sport
Brazil: ESPN+

by ScarletSpiderman Wed 15 Jul 2015, 2:03 pm

Sin é wrote:
ScarletSpiderman wrote:
Sin é wrote:Remind me, what is the problem with Sunday games in Wales?

Transport networks are dire (at some points no existent) on Sundays.

Well, you are very lucky then you are not in Ireland because public transport is non-existent anyday out side the major cities.

Ditto here mate. I was being polite.

by Guest Wed 15 Jul 2015, 2:05 pm

Chunky Norwich wrote:
Munchkin wrote:

United Kingdom & Ireland:
TV: BT Sport & Sky Sports,[13]
Radio: BBC Radio, RTÉ & Newstalk[14]
France: beIN Sports, France Télévisions [15][16]
Italy: Sky Italia[17]
Spain: Canal+
Australia: Setanta Sports
Asia Pacific: Setanta Sports
United States: ESPN3
Portugal: SportTV
Canada: Sportsnet World
Romania: Digi Sport
Brazil: ESPN+

Oh right. So just ignore the fact that the Champions Cup also have French and Italian teams, or the fact that it's broadcast around the world.....

United Kingdom & Ireland:
TV: BT Sport & Sky Sports,[13]
Radio: BBC Radio, RTÉ & Newstalk[14]
France: beIN Sports, France Télévisions [15][16]
Italy: Sky Italia[17]
Spain: Canal+
Australia: Setanta Sports
Asia Pacific: Setanta Sports
United States: ESPN3
Portugal: SportTV
Canada: Sportsnet World
Romania: Digi Sport
Brazil: ESPN+

by Guest Wed 15 Jul 2015, 2:07 pm

Chunky Norwich wrote:
Munchkin wrote:
Chunky Norwich wrote:
Munchkin wrote:It's also a fact that PRO12 has less issues than the AP. PRO12 doesn't have clubs massively in debt as the AP does and neither is PRO12 bogged down in a fight over Salary cap. PRO12 teams are competing with AP teams on the European front, and that's despite the fact that PRO12 is still a very young league in comparison.

What a load of sh1t. Munster are heavily in debt. Pro12 teams competing with AP teams?

Lame stuff.

Again you lack the facts. Munster is one team, and their debt is not typical of clubs in the PRO12. Munsters debt pales into comparison when compared to some of the AP clubs. Munsters debt is to IRFU, and IRFU will not demand it, and there is always the chance that it will be written off. Remember, Munster is a branch of the IRFU, unlike some of these clubs which are owned by businessmen.

You're losing your composure, Chunky. Losing arguments isn't pleasant for you, but do try to remain calm

It's just got to eb pointed out to you that you are posting a load of drivel.

The pro12 having "less issues" than the AP is a fantastic comment. Not even the pro12 chiefs agree with that one!

Really? Let's see these comments by the PRO12 chiefs?

by Chunky Norwich Wed 15 Jul 2015, 2:08 pm

Do you think that the Champions cup will be striving to show Leicester v Munster at a time that suits the Brazilian population?

Its the BT and sky feed.

by Chunky Norwich Wed 15 Jul 2015, 2:08 pm

Munchkin wrote:
Chunky Norwich wrote:
Munchkin wrote:
Chunky Norwich wrote:
Munchkin wrote:It's also a fact that PRO12 has less issues than the AP. PRO12 doesn't have clubs massively in debt as the AP does and neither is PRO12 bogged down in a fight over Salary cap. PRO12 teams are competing with AP teams on the European front, and that's despite the fact that PRO12 is still a very young league in comparison.

What a load of sh1t. Munster are heavily in debt. Pro12 teams competing with AP teams?

Lame stuff.

Again you lack the facts. Munster is one team, and their debt is not typical of clubs in the PRO12. Munsters debt pales into comparison when compared to some of the AP clubs. Munsters debt is to IRFU, and IRFU will not demand it, and there is always the chance that it will be written off. Remember, Munster is a branch of the IRFU, unlike some of these clubs which are owned by businessmen.

You're losing your composure, Chunky. Losing arguments isn't pleasant for you, but do try to remain calm

It's just got to eb pointed out to you that you are posting a load of drivel.

The pro12 having "less issues" than the AP is a fantastic comment. Not even the pro12 chiefs agree with that one!

Really? Let's see these comments by the PRO12 chiefs?

They acknowledge that they face a battle to get the income and revenue that other leagues do.

by Guest Wed 15 Jul 2015, 2:08 pm

Chunky Norwich wrote:Do you think that the Champions cup will b atriving to show Leicester v Munster at a time that suits the Brazilian population?

What?

by Chunky Norwich Wed 15 Jul 2015, 2:09 pm

Munchkin wrote:
Chunky Norwich wrote:Do you think that the Champions cup will b atriving to show Leicester v Munster at a time that suits the Brazilian population?

What?

The BT and Sky feeds are the broadcast hosts for matches in UK and Ireland. The fact they show it on channel 14 in Tanzania is not really the point. Unless it's your point?

by Guest Wed 15 Jul 2015, 2:11 pm

Chunky Norwich wrote:
Munchkin wrote:
Chunky Norwich wrote:
Munchkin wrote:
Chunky Norwich wrote:
Munchkin wrote:It's also a fact that PRO12 has less issues than the AP. PRO12 doesn't have clubs massively in debt as the AP does and neither is PRO12 bogged down in a fight over Salary cap. PRO12 teams are competing with AP teams on the European front, and that's despite the fact that PRO12 is still a very young league in comparison.

What a load of sh1t. Munster are heavily in debt. Pro12 teams competing with AP teams?

Lame stuff.

Again you lack the facts. Munster is one team, and their debt is not typical of clubs in the PRO12. Munsters debt pales into comparison when compared to some of the AP clubs. Munsters debt is to IRFU, and IRFU will not demand it, and there is always the chance that it will be written off. Remember, Munster is a branch of the IRFU, unlike some of these clubs which are owned by businessmen.

You're losing your composure, Chunky. Losing arguments isn't pleasant for you, but do try to remain calm

It's just got to eb pointed out to you that you are posting a load of drivel.

The pro12 having "less issues" than the AP is a fantastic comment. Not even the pro12 chiefs agree with that one!

Really? Let's see these comments by the PRO12 chiefs?

They acknowledge that they face a battle to get the income and revenue that other leagues do.

Of course they do.

Now, let's see these comments that PRO12 chiefs have made in which they state that PRO12 has more issues than AP? Or were you just making stuff up again?

by Guest Wed 15 Jul 2015, 2:15 pm

Chunky Norwich wrote:
Munchkin wrote:
Chunky Norwich wrote:Do you think that the Champions cup will b atriving to show Leicester v Munster at a time that suits the Brazilian population?

What?

The BT and Sky feeds are the broadcast hosts for matches in UK and Ireland. The fact they show it on channel 14 in Tanzania is not really the point. Unless it's your point?

Would you like me to write things in crayon?

You drone on about two broadcasters in the Champions Cup as though there was only two broadcasters involved in Champions Cup, because it suits your argument, yet as you can clearly see, there is more than two broadcasters involved, more country's involved, and more time zones involved.

by Chunky Norwich Wed 15 Jul 2015, 2:17 pm

I think you need to take a step back and count to 10.

by No 7&1/2 Wed 15 Jul 2015, 2:20 pm

Seriously, why would the amount of broadcasters be reduced to 2?

by Chunky Norwich Wed 15 Jul 2015, 2:20 pm

Munchkin wrote:

You drone on about two broadcasters in the Champions Cup as though there was only two broadcasters involved in Champions Cup, because it suits your argument, yet as you can clearly see, there is more than two broadcasters involved, more country's involved, and more time zones involved.

But Digisport Romania are just a carrier. They have no say in facilitating the competition. Can you see that?

by Guest Wed 15 Jul 2015, 2:22 pm

Chunky Norwich wrote:I think you need to take a step back and count to 10.

Not at all. I'm enjoying this. It's nice to put down spurious contentions Very Happy

by Guest Wed 15 Jul 2015, 2:24 pm

Chunky Norwich wrote:
Munchkin wrote:

You drone on about two broadcasters in the Champions Cup as though there was only two broadcasters involved in Champions Cup, because it suits your argument, yet as you can clearly see, there is more than two broadcasters involved, more country's involved, and more time zones involved.

But Digisport Romania are just a carrier. They have no say in facilitating the competition. Can you see that?

More deflection from you. Can you not see that there's more than two broadcasters involved in the Champions Cup?

by Chunky Norwich Wed 15 Jul 2015, 2:27 pm

Munchkin wrote:e]

More deflection from you. Can you not see that there's more than two broadcasters involved in the Champions Cup?

Yes there is.

by Guest Wed 15 Jul 2015, 2:29 pm

Chunky Norwich wrote:
Munchkin wrote:e]

More deflection from you. Can you not see that there's more than two broadcasters involved in the Champions Cup?
Yes there is.

Well done, Chunky. The first step can be the hardest. I will support you on that long and sometimes difficult path to enlightenment Hug

by Chunky Norwich Wed 15 Jul 2015, 2:31 pm

I don't know what just happenned, but I'm glad you've calmed down.

by Guest Wed 15 Jul 2015, 2:35 pm

Chunky Norwich wrote:I don't know what just happenned, but I'm glad you've calmed down.

It's a foreign experience for you, but truth happened, Chunky. A realisation idea

An epiphany angel

A knowing king

Embrace it! It will free you Hug

by demosthenes Fri 17 Jul 2015, 3:13 pm

Pro 12 fixtures now out, with TV up to Round 12. Sorry no link.

by marty2086 Fri 17 Jul 2015, 3:15 pm

demosthenes wrote:Pro 12 fixtures now out, with TV up to Round 12. Sorry no link.

Yeah but they've only released one seasons worth of fixtures, surely they should be doing more than that eh Chunky? Wink

by Chunky Norwich Fri 17 Jul 2015, 3:24 pm

Chunky Norwich wrote:
munkian wrote:Someone on twitter said its the full season - Simon Thomas I think

That would be good progress.

sigh.

by Chunky Norwich Fri 17 Jul 2015, 3:28 pm

Hilarious

3 Ulster home games. 3 Friday kick offs.

Disusting league.

by Chunky Norwich Fri 17 Jul 2015, 3:35 pm

5 out of Ulster's frst 6 games are on Friday's. This is beyond a frigging joke.

by Chunky Norwich Fri 17 Jul 2015, 3:36 pm

Cardiff have 2 home fixtures in the first 8 rounds?

What the hell is this pathetic competition playing at?

by No 7&1/2 Fri 17 Jul 2015, 3:42 pm

Why don't you just support a different team in a different league? Toulon say?

by Sin é Fri 17 Jul 2015, 3:49 pm

Chunky Norwich wrote:Cardiff have 2 home fixtures in the first 8 rounds?

What the hell is this pathetic competition playing at?

I'd imagine that the Rugby World Cup might have something to do with that, no?

edit: Edinburgh have 5 Friday night fixtures, the same as Ulster Smile

by Chunky Norwich Fri 17 Jul 2015, 3:52 pm

Scarlets v Dragons

A Welsh Derby

On Friday night

At 6pm. Is that due to the world cup or something?

What an absolute shambles. We really need to get out of this joke of a league. It is killing us.

by Guest Fri 17 Jul 2015, 3:52 pm

marty2086 wrote:
demosthenes wrote:Pro 12 fixtures now out, with TV up to Round 12. Sorry no link.

Yeah but they've only released one seasons worth of fixtures, surely they should be doing more than that eh Chunky?

One season's worth of fixtures in the loosest of sense.

by Sin é Fri 17 Jul 2015, 4:00 pm

Chunky Norwich wrote:Scarlets v Dragons

A Welsh Derby

On Friday night

At 6pm

What an absolute shambles. We really need to get out of this joke of a league. It is killing us.

Propably trying to catch a few world cup punters who would have been in Wales for the Wales v Fiji game on the previous night Wink

oh, and the two pro12 finalists are meeting at 6pm on a Friday night in Limerick.

by Jenifer McLadyboy Fri 17 Jul 2015, 4:30 pm

Chunky Norwich wrote:Cardiff have 2 home fixtures in the first 8 rounds?

What the hell is this pathetic competition playing at?

I'm surprised Cardiff have any with the WC in the Millennium. I would have thought World Rugby wouldn't have permitted this.

I note we are in Scarletania on the weekend of the WC qfs in Cardiff. I am toying with the idea of going over a day early to party with my Scarlets chums.

by Luckless Pedestrian Fri 17 Jul 2015, 4:31 pm

The Dragons' first two home games are on a Friday! Very Happy

The next three are on a Sunday, but it's like the song says, two out of five ain't bad.

by Jenifer McLadyboy Fri 17 Jul 2015, 4:36 pm

I haven't studied the Dragons fixtures to closely. But I noticed that their fellow Welsh teams have shouldered their share of the Sunday games dictated by the Welsh tv deal. Good stuff.

Also there seem to be less Sundays in general. Also good for those who don't like Sundays

by Luckless Pedestrian Fri 17 Jul 2015, 4:44 pm

There's no knowing what the second half of the season will bring in terms of kickoffs. If it continues to be a fairer share, then I'll be happy. Actually, I'll be happy with Sunday games as long as we win them!

by VinceWLB Fri 17 Jul 2015, 4:48 pm

Jenifer McLadyboy wrote:
Also there seem to be less Sundays in general. Also good for those who don't like Sundays

Who doesn't like Sundays? i would love to have weeks of Sundays Wink

by Kingshu Fri 17 Jul 2015, 5:05 pm

Chunky Norwich wrote:5 out of Ulster's frst 6 games are on Friday's. This is beyond a frigging joke.

Why always Ulster?
Haven't you realised that Ulster are in a unique position having only one broadcaster (with a Friday night time slot) to show thier games. Therefore most of Ulsters home games will be on a Friday. It will only change when its Sky picks up an Ulster home game (as in round 11 where its on a Saturday).

What do you want Ulster to do????

Tell BBC NI, to forget the TV deal for the Friday timeslots, we want to play on Sundays because the Welsh regions have signed a TV deal to play on them and we should have them as well. I know this in an inconvenience BBCNI to arrange for you, as you want them to be played on a Friday night, but we are willing to to take a pay cut for it??

Or how about, BBNI want to show Ulster home games on a Friday Ulster want to play them on a Friday so both parties are happy.

If Welsh teams have a contact to show their home games on a sunday, how is this Ulsters problem.

by Guest Fri 17 Jul 2015, 5:09 pm

Chunky Norwich wrote:Scarlets v Dragons

A Welsh Derby

On Friday night

At 6pm. Is that due to the world cup or something?

What an absolute shambles. We really need to get out of this joke of a league. It is killing us.

What are you complaining about? Sure aren't Friday nights great Very Happy

by Jenifer McLadyboy Fri 17 Jul 2015, 5:13 pm

I love Sundays too. Some people don't seem to like going to Rugby on them though.

2 main groups. The religious ones, and the ones that cant go to a match without at least 9 pints. Surely Fridays are much worse for those that live far from the ground.

Other people like to use the issue for their own agenda.

by marty2086 Fri 17 Jul 2015, 5:49 pm

Kingshu wrote:
Chunky Norwich wrote:5 out of Ulster's frst 6 games are on Friday's. This is beyond a frigging joke.

Why always Ulster?
Haven't you realised that Ulster are in a unique position having only one broadcaster (with a Friday night time slot) to show thier games. Therefore most of Ulsters home games will be on a Friday. It will only change when its Sky picks up an Ulster home game (as in round 11 where its on a Saturday).

What do you want Ulster to do????

Tell BBC NI, to forget the TV deal for the Friday timeslots, we want to play on Sundays because the Welsh regions have signed a TV deal to play on them and we should have them as well. I know this in an inconvenience BBCNI to arrange for you, as you want them to be played on a Friday night, but we are willing to to take a pay cut for it??

Or how about, BBNI want to show Ulster home games on a Friday Ulster want to play them on a Friday so both parties are happy.

If Welsh teams have a contact to show their home games on a sunday, how is this Ulsters problem.

Because the whinging child that is Chunky doesn't like it so its Ulsters problem. Heres a guy without a clue about business, marketing or anything in the realm but is an expert in it all

by Chunky Norwich Fri 17 Jul 2015, 5:58 pm

Between the Dragons, Scarlets and Blues, there are just 3 home fixtures on a Saturday from now until 2016.

That is not viable in this country. We cannot belong to a league in which that happens.

We need out ASAP.

by Sin é Fri 17 Jul 2015, 6:13 pm

Chunky Norwich wrote:Between the Dragons, Scarlets and Blues, there are just 3 home fixtures on a Saturday from now until 2016.

That is not viable in this country. We cannot belong to a league in which that happens.

We need out ASAP.

Blame your next door neighbours for staging the world cup there (and in Wales - though I think you should be greateful because of all the business and employment the World Cup will bring to wales even though you haven't had to put your hands in your pockets).

On the positive side, think of if Wales does well in the World Cup, there will be kids begging their parents to bring them to watch their World Cup heroes in action at all their home games Wink

edit: if you were in the Aviva Premiership, you wouldn't be playing any games.

by Kingshu Fri 17 Jul 2015, 6:51 pm

Chunky Norwich wrote:Between the Dragons, Scarlets and Blues, there are just 3 home fixtures on a Saturday from now until 2016.

That is not viable in this country. We cannot belong to a league in which that happens.

We need out ASAP.

If we use the same criteria that you use for bemoaning Ulster, having 5 of 6 games on a Fri (therefore your including two away games)

then there are 9 fixtures Scarlets Dragons or Blues have on a Saturday.

or using the same criteria Ulster only have one home game on a Saturday from now until 2016.

by Kingshu Fri 17 Jul 2015, 7:29 pm

Scarlets between now and 2016
6 home games
Fri 3 sat 2 sun 1

Ospreys
4 home games
sat 3 sun 1

Blues
3 home games
fri 1 sat 1 sun 1

Dragons
fri 2 Sunday 3

For comparison
Leinster fri 4 sat 2
Munster fri 2 sat 2 sun 1
Ulster fri 4
Connacht fri 3 sat 3

Glasgow fri 3 sat 2 sun 1
Edinburgh fri 4 sat 1 sun 1

So overall it appears fairly fair,
Provinces don't have a TV deal that includes Sundays and hence only play when Sky wish them to.

For Scottish and Welsh teams it looks to be fairly evenly spread, except for Dragons who are in the unfortunate position of ground sharing (so have limited Saturdays) and being the region TV schedules are most likely to push to a Sunday.

by SecretFly Fri 17 Jul 2015, 10:07 pm

Fairly Fair!!!!!!!!!!????

A bleeding disgrace if it is. Sure isn't fairly fair a double positive, which means it's more than likely a corrupt and corrosive criminal negative!
The farce continues.....

by Chunky Norwich Sat 18 Jul 2015, 8:47 am

Kingshu wrote:
Chunky Norwich wrote:Between the Dragons, Scarlets and Blues, there are just 3 home fixtures on a Saturday from now until 2016.

That is not viable in this country. We cannot belong to a league in which that happens.

We need out ASAP.

If we use the same criteria that you use for bemoaning Ulster, having 5 of 6 games on a Fri (therefore your including two away games)

then there are 9 fixtures Scarlets Dragons or Blues have on a Saturday.

or using the same criteria Ulster only have one home game on a Saturday from now until 2016.

You simply don't care do you.

No one cares.

The level of apathy for this diabolic competition is beyond the scale. It is now unviable for the welsh regions.

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