Frampo!

My thoughts on the fight are thus.....

terrible start getting floored twice in the 1st round but I thought Carl boxed fantastic to get back into the fight and then go on and win it. Helped by his opponants low blows but overall I don't think it would have mattered as Frampton clearly was the better boxer.

Frampton showed his pedegree and expieriance against a game but green opponant. I have said before on here that Santa Cruz would beat Frampton, now I think he would stop him. I am sure Cruz wants that fight now after last night.

Hats off to Frampton tho he really showed me how good he is the real deal for sure.

I don't think it was that good a night for Frampo....

He was there to impress the very few viewers that tuned in to it Stateside and whilst they saw a good fight.....They saw a guy not just down twice against a no mark but being taken the distance as well....

A step back not forward..........and some of the posters writing Quigg off are now giving him a good shot..

I don't think the night could've gone much worse for him....

He could have lost, been mugged on the way home and had his passport stolen.
That would have been worse!

He showed class to come back tho and they were flash knockdowns. Yeah he was sloppy and most prob underestimated the power of his opponant but came back like a true champ.

Jesus

It couldn't have gone much worse. He was fighting a patsy who gave him fits. His reputation took a battering whereas Quigg comes out of this weekend with everyone talking about him.

Shocker of a night for Frampton. Quigg knocks him out early as he's been found out to be a hype job who's chinny!!!

Quigg is also chinny

I don't think it's the end of the world by any means. Said as much on the other thread, thought it was an absolute barn stormer of a fight. Better to come through a fire fight (even against a perceived nobody) than win a stinker.

His aura has taken a dent, no doubt but maybe this brings Barry and Eddie back to the negotiation table for a bigger fight, which can only be a good thing. Who knows what the future holds. But for me it's daft to try and contextualise someone's career based on one shoddy showing, especially when it resulted in a foty contender for what it's worth.

Can't wait to bump this thread when Frampton beats Quigg, if they fight.

Was a bad night, still got a win.

Dipper Brown wrote:I don't think it's the end of the world by any means. Said as much on the other thread, thought it was an absolute barn stormer of a fight. Better to come through a fire fight (even against a perceived nobody) than win a stinker.

His aura has taken a dent, no doubt but maybe this brings Barry and Eddie back to the negotiation table for a bigger fight, which can only be a good thing. Who knows what the future holds. But for me it's daft to try and contextualise someone's career based on one shoddy showing, especially when it resulted in a foty contender for what it's worth.

Agreed but not sure about FOTY.

Decent scrap tho. Agreed with Duke Mckenzie that Frampton was out his comfort zone fighting in his opponants back yard.

BTW was anybody else impressed with Duke last night? Concise and informed views unlike that fame lady of loose morals muppet sitting next to him.

Yes Duke was decent. He said what he really thinks. Makes a nice change

Richie Woodhall was a disgrace though yet again

Well....I have a different view on this. I thought it was a brilliant first appearance in the states. He showed he can punch, he can have a war, excited the fans, was a brilliant brilliant fight against a guy with a punch. I hope Leo does fight him to be honest because Frampton would smash him to peices.

But we HAVE to get the Quigg fight on now surely?! Both in great fights, let's get it on now. Be a brilliant fight and after last night could be a lot closer of Quigg can land early on.

Dipper Brown wrote:I don't think it's the end of the world by any means. Said as much on the other thread, thought it was an absolute barn stormer of a fight. Better to come through a fire fight (even against a perceived nobody) than win a stinker.

His aura has taken a dent, no doubt but maybe this brings Barry and Eddie back to the negotiation table for a bigger fight, which can only be a good thing. Who knows what the future holds. But for me it's daft to try and contextualise someone's career based on one shoddy showing, especially when it resulted in a foty contender for what it's worth.

Mcguigan thought his career and subsequent riches were robbed off him by bad matchmaking.........The rest of us didn't think Steve Cruz was Ray Robinson.....

So I think it will have the reverse effect...............He has a diamond in Frampton so he'll milk him for all he's worth before risking him against Quigg....

mobilemaster8 wrote:Well....I have a different view on this. I thought it was a brilliant first appearance in the states. He showed he can punch, he can have a war, excited the fans, was a brilliant brilliant fight against a guy with a punch. I hope Leo does fight him to be honest because Frampton would smash him to peices.

But we HAVE to get the Quigg fight on now surely?! Both in great fights, let's get it on now. Be a brilliant fight and after last night could be a lot closer of Quigg can land early on.

Bollox...They wanted to see a future superstar and they got a short Andy Lee..........

It was a night to forget for Frampton but we're also not giving Gonzalez' chin enough credit. He took some shots.

Frampton looked like a boxer who totally underestimated his opponent. After the two knock downs it was always going to be a rebuilding job etc.

It was an entertaining scrap and as mentioned before, I'm not sure that and him being Irish will go against him at all, stateside.

As good as the Quigg win was, the fight was short and Martinez was on top till he caught him. Not sure it really shows us anything other than Quigg finished him well.

Frampton is still the 2nd best at the weight.

Lets not throw Frampton to the wolves, he fought in the US for the first time against a tough and game opponent who had nothing to lose and everything to gain. I thought Frampton made mistakes when he held his feet and started swinging in close quarters with his opponent.

The positives are that he survived an early scare and proved that he can keep a cool head when he gets put on the floor, Quigg has also proved this, its not a problem if you can get put down, its how you recover and react.

I think we put too much emphasis on being unbeaten and perfect, boxing never used to be about that and I personally think that undefeated records are now vastly over rated. Boxing needs to be about great and competitive matchups and it truly can become the greatest sport in the world again.

Look at UFC, they all have loses and even knockout loses, but nobody cares, because its about the fights, not the record.

That being said, this result might bring Barry down a peg or two and maybe we can get the Frampton vs Quigg fight on, before Quigg makes the foolish mistake of taking on Donaire and gets Pole-axed.

Selby beats him at Featherweight

He will travel to Belfast to do it as well. That's if the Framp can get past Quigg

Selby does beat him. Still doubt Quigg does.

Frampton was a heavy fav and was complacent. It was a tough style match up. He seemed too eager to please. He was doing well, when he was using the jab.

Quigg can beat Frampton, but with the right mindset, I think Carl would outbox him and stop him late.

Are ITV going to show a rerun of this in next few days by any chance?

Very annoyed to have missed it.

His defence is appalling.

Its on YouTube Herman. Both uk and us commentary

Thanks, I'll have a look.

Still like to see it on a big screen as well. They could easily show a rerun late night couldn't they.

Says he struggled to make the weight; isn't it always the fallback excuse when you don't have it all your own way?

Pretty much. Don't think anyone is really buying into that excuse.

Just gave Hearn some ammo to hit him with. Silly boy.

For me the best bit of commentary, almost Audley Harrison style spin was when they stated his opponent is currently the 12th best at the weight in Mexico.

Now this obviously doesn't mean Frampton is possibly lucky to be a champion, of course not it means there are 11 other Mexicans worthy of a title shot!

Then had the pleasure of hearing Hearn on talksport the next day, he discussed all his fighters so then host asked him about Frampton, we again got to hear that Quigg looked better against Martinez than Frampton had. Said Frampton looked awful and again started talking about how good Quigg was.

I heard Woodhall scored the first..10-10

Haha probably Truss

huw wrote:For me the best bit of commentary, almost Audley Harrison style spin was when they stated his opponent is currently the 12th best at the weight in Mexico.

What made that hilarious was when they basically said, yeh, but, Mexico produces bantams & feathers by the bucketload, so 12th best in Mexico is still very high, like top 1% because there's thousands of the little feckers, so actually he's really really good...... lol

Both fighters took a gamble and Quigg's paid off so fair play he and Hearn can feel a bit smug about themselves.

Frampton was always the one with more to lose though, given he is the legitimate belt holder, a heavy favourite in his match and also the one who (seemingly) turned down the offer to the fight the public want to see.

It will be interesting to see what team cyclones next move is, whether they stick to their guns or eat humble pie and take the Quigg fight on Hearn's terms.

Both are a huge risk for Carl - if he bypasses Quigg he has to win his next 2 or 3 fights well to get credibility in the States - otherwise he has to to fight and beat Quigg.

Frampton has nowhere to go if he loses that one, whereas Quigg will get further fights on matchroom bills I would guess even if he has to drop down the card.

Quigg is NOT a great fighter because of one ko. I admit Frampton maybe isn't as good as we all thought, but too many are stating Mr Quigg as the second coming.

A shop worn Donaire will probably still beat him and I won't even mention what Rigo would do to him.

Its looking like Quigg v Doniere in November

Can't see Quigg winning that one.

Can't see Framton beating Santa Cruz

They both need each other NOW just like how Khan should have faced Brook instead of Algirie and pining on Floyd. Wsate of time and money.

To be fair AdamT Quigg and Framps were pitched at the same level for a long time (hence the clamouring in the UK for the fight) that changed when he fought (and drew) for the belt. It's good to see him step up in a good way now, but like most seemingly underestimated him looks like Framps was supremely overated by a lot of people too.

The no.1 in the division is clearly Rigo, how either can try and claim they're it is ridiculous. (Good to hear Eddie Hearn say that they've started looking at Rigo after Quigg cements himself as no.2)

Poor frampton, one bad performance and he has went from a world beater to an also ran in the division who would apparently get slapped around by the other top guys!

Still maintain he beats everyone outside Rigo. Think this poor performance will actually help long term. Will never want to experiance it again which could improve his training, focus etc.

No chance Quigg fights Donaire - for one thing he won't leave Manchester and second Hearn won't risk the Frampton fight, which is by far the biggest payday.

Hearn and Quigg have worked their way into a position where they can legitimately put a claim for half the purse against Frampton (he couldn't prior to Saturday) but that could change again in one fight.A big performance by Carl next time and Saturdays performance will be seen as a blip and a poor one from Quigg and people way say Kiko was shot....

People have short memories and Hearn will be pushing to sign Carl now, hence the bluff about Donaire  -likewise Carl moving to FW is a bluff too I think, to buy some time and make Hearn sweat a bit.

Defo Quiggs night, but we all have off days as has Quigg

rodders wrote:No chance Quigg fights Donaire - for one thing he won't leave Manchester and second Hearn won't risk the Frampton fight, which is by far the biggest payday.

Hearn and Quigg have worked their way into a position where they can legitimately put a claim for half the purse against Frampton (he couldn't prior to Saturday) but that could change again in one fight.A big performance by Carl next time and Saturdays performance will be seen as a blip and a poor one from Quigg and people way say Kiko was shot....

People have short memories and Hearn will be pushing to sign Carl now, hence the bluff about Donaire  -likewise Carl moving to FW is a bluff too I think, to buy some time and make Hearn sweat a bit.

Quigg v Doniere to be held in Dubai

ONETWOFOREVER wrote:

rodders wrote:No chance Quigg fights Donaire - for one thing he won't leave Manchester and second Hearn won't risk the Frampton fight, which is by far the biggest payday.

Hearn and Quigg have worked their way into a position where they can legitimately put a claim for half the purse against Frampton (he couldn't prior to Saturday) but that could change again in one fight.A big performance by Carl next time and Saturdays performance will be seen as a blip and a poor one from Quigg and people way say Kiko was shot....

People have short memories and Hearn will be pushing to sign Carl now, hence the bluff about Donaire  -likewise Carl moving to FW is a bluff too I think, to buy some time and make Hearn sweat a bit.

Quigg v Doniere to be held in Dubai

Not a chance.

How many times have we all heard of the Dubai megacard being close

Wasn't someone else rumoured for Dubai recently?

Was for a much more mouth watering fight than Quigg Donaire.

Lomachenko-Walters, that was it!

Frampton had a awful night at the office, but he won the fight, and he beat a better version of Martinez then Quigg did and took some good shots so I dont think he has a chin problem, although he may be a little vulnerable to the body.

Quigg was impressive yes but before the right uppercut landed in the second he had lost every second basically of the fight and seemed a bit bemused by Martinez pressure, although he may have been true in saying he was waiting for opportunities he took a lot of shots early.

I still think it's a great fight and a little closer then I thought before but i'm still gonna favour Frampton

But neither beat Donaire atm, Donaire is too good and hits too hard for both. LSC is a different opposition. He's young and strong for the weight with a great workrate but is easy to score against and sometimes he's guilty of sacrificing quality for quantity.

I think people are overreacting to the 1st round knock downs, he got up and largely schooled that kid in every round thereafter bar the 9th. He was fighting a very hard hitting and very tall opponent, he rushed his work in round 1 and paid for it... but composed himself and took care of business. If think Barry Mc is being slightly disingenuous when he states it was a weight issue. That is just an excuse for a poor start that was 100% concentration and judgement to blame. He had plenty of power in his shots and lasted the distance comfortably.

Quigg had a poor first round too, but then punished Kiko for rushing in. Both guys did what they had to do. If they ever actually fight - if Frampton rushes Quigg, he could be punished, but if he is controlled he would likely get a wide UD IMO. Quigg has shown he can more than match his power though, so for as long as he is in the ring he has a good chance of landing a bomb. Let's just hope they can put the fight together.

Redrage wrote:I think people are overreacting to the 1st round knock downs, he got up and largely schooled that kid in every round thereafter bar the 9th.  He was fighting a very hard hitting and very tall opponent, he rushed his work in round 1 and paid for it... but composed himself and took care of business.  If think Barry Mc is being slightly disingenuous when he states it was a weight issue.  That is just an excuse for a poor start that was 100% concentration and judgement to blame.  He had plenty of power in his shots and lasted the distance comfortably.  

Quigg had a poor first round too, but then punished Kiko for rushing in.  Both guys did what they had to do.  If they ever actually fight - if Frampton rushes Quigg, he could be punished, but if he is controlled he would likely get a wide UD IMO.  Quigg has shown he can more than match his power though, so for as long as he is in the ring he has a good chance of landing a bomb.  Let's just hope they can put the fight together.

I don't know what fight some on here have been watching,1st knockdown was a flash knockdown off balance caught with a jab  (didn't even take a count) and like you say totally dominated the fight barring the 9th,US commentary team were well impressed. Didn't see it live as was on holiday and couldn't get it, thought it was a close fight the way some described it, till I watched it, I suggest some need to take a 2nd look, miles ahead on pts, comfortable after the 1st.

It was a typical Frampton performance, apart from the first round. He controlled the fight and was as impressive as usual without getting a stoppage.

Anyone that describes it as a nightmare night hasn't seen the fight.

The fight wasnt a bad outcome at all for Frampton. It was a good contest and delivered entertainment. Better that than win a 12 round stinker 120-108.

Hardly 'announced himself' on the US scene though.....struggling (albeit eventually comprehensively beating) a journeyman in front of about 500 bored Mexicans.....

TopHat24/7 wrote:Hardly 'announced himself' on the US scene though.....struggling (albeit eventually comprehensively beating) a journeyman in front of about 500 bored Mexicans.....

Take it you probably have Quigg favourite if they fight?

catchweight wrote:The fight wasnt a bad outcome at all for Frampton. It was a good contest and delivered entertainment. Better that than win a 12 round stinker 120-108.

It did show that he's massively overrated though and has no defence.

Scottrf wrote:

catchweight wrote:The fight wasnt a bad outcome at all for Frampton. It was a good contest and delivered entertainment. Better that than win a 12 round stinker 120-108.

It did show that he's massively overrated though and has no defence.

He has a similar defence to Quigg then.