England vs Australia 4th Test, Trent Bridge

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As The Ashes thread has gone on a tangent arguing over who is SA's best fast bowler, let's get back on topic with a match thread.

Conditions for the 5 days look generally dry so there will be an almost certain result for either team. Also looking cloudy for large periods, so the loss of Anderson might be huge for England

England: Cook, Lyth, Bell, Root, Bairstow, Stokes, Buttler, Ali, Broad, Wood, Finn

Australia: Rogers, Warner, Smith, S Marsh, Clarke, Voges, Nevill, Johnson, Starc, Hazlewood, Lyon

Australia 60.
Root 62.

Joe Root leads by two runs!

To be honest, whatever England get from this position will be enough. You dont make 60 in your opinion innings and win very often

GSC wrote:To be honest, whatever England get from this position will be enough. You dont make 60 in your opinion innings and win very often

Think its long past an opinion my friend. The dreaded auto-correct strikes again.

GSC wrote:To be honest, whatever England get from this position will be enough. You dont make 60 in your opinion innings and win very often

Finally a sensible post! What's all this nonsense about needing a huge lead, the Aussies are playing crap. The only question from here is whether England win by an innings.

In any case Australia have been knocked over cheaply everytime the ball moves. The only batsman who looks even competent against the moving ball is Rogers.

Frankly their preparation has been awful, they dont look prepared for English conditions at all. Voges and Rogers have had long CC stints, Clarkes been over here a few times. No excuse

GSC wrote:To be honest, whatever England get from this position will be enough. You dont make 60 in your opinion innings and win very often

Well it should be now. But if England has been rolled for 150 or something you could say game on. Remember that game in the UAE where Pakistan were all out for 90-odd and won, because England then got rolled too

But now, a couple more 50 partnerships from here, and its a 200+ run lead

Really what convinces anyone this Australia batting lineup can make 300+ over here on a pitch outside of the dead one at Lords.

Look at this logically.

This is the fourth test of the series and each test has followed a pattern. A team gets on top and has not let that advantage slip and have went on to complete a comfortable win in the test. That is what will happen here. Why? Well to expect the Australian batsmen to suddenly put the first innings 'mare out of their head and post a score of 400+ just does not happen.

Aye but not worth risking it. you've got the time and the opportunity to score a fair amount of runs. It'd be daft not to take it. Yes it's unlikely that Australia can recover but its not as if there's anything urgent about this game at the moment.

No I agree. There's no need to do anything but grind Australia into dust.

But we are not going to lose this. If you think there's a remote chance then get down the bookies

Conceivably, England had/have enough time in the game to tot up 1,000 runs and still win.

They probably won't, haha, but I do miss the 2010/11 years when England could properly grind a team down!

England are going to win this and quite frankly we don't even deserve a draw after getting 60 runs in an innings. Rubbish stuff

oh I think Wales and England deserve more than a draw.

Steffan wrote:England are going to win this and quite frankly we don't even deserve a draw after getting 60 runs in an innings. Rubbish stuff

At least you are brave enough to come on here. Now have you seen KP_Fan anywhere, because he was very vocal earlier but his computer seemed to give up the ghost after the first over!

trebellbobaggins wrote:oh I think Wales and England deserve more than a draw.

Oof, straight in with a Stuart Broad style opening burst. Steffan reeling on 10-2 after the first over!

VTR wrote:

Steffan wrote:England are going to win this and quite frankly we don't even deserve a draw after getting 60 runs in an innings. Rubbish stuff

At least you are brave enough to come on here. Now have you seen KP_Fan anywhere, because he was very vocal earlier but his computer seemed to give up the ghost after the first over!

He has gone on leave until the UAE tour begins then he'll be back, glossing over this series and starting afresh with the usual cr....err insight.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/live/cricket/32809885

Nationalist vegtables

CaledonianCraig wrote:

VTR wrote:

Steffan wrote:England are going to win this and quite frankly we don't even deserve a draw after getting 60 runs in an innings. Rubbish stuff

At least you are brave enough to come on here. Now have you seen KP_Fan anywhere, because he was very vocal earlier but his computer seemed to give up the ghost after the first over!

He has gone on leave until the UAE tour begins then he'll be back, glossing over this series and starting afresh with the usual cr....err insight.

Haha, tis true. Can't wait for the mention at every England batting failure of an innings a certain someone played what will by then be 3 years ago. Against a different team.

Gerry_SA was the Saffer version who was swearing blind Root would be shown up for the mediocre batsman he was by the Aussies. Result? Root nearing 400 runs for the series averaging over 50 an innings.

VTR wrote:

trebellbobaggins wrote:oh I think Wales and England deserve more than a draw.

Oof, straight in with a Stuart Broad style opening burst. Steffan reeling on 10-2 after the first over!

Yes very funny

CaledonianCraig wrote:Gerry_SA was the Saffer version who was swearing blind Root would be shown up for the mediocre batsman he was by the Aussies. Result? Root nearing 400 runs for the series averaging over 50 an innings.

Also the man who seems convinced that Anderson is a club level bowler. We have some serious strength in depth in this country if that is the case!

ShahenshahG wrote:http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/live/cricket/32809885

Nationalist vegtables

Must admit some of the crap posted on that BBC feed is beyond. Didn't have any of that when the Welsh Lions beat the Aussies in rugby 2 years ago

Didn't know cricket could be yobbish to be honest

I suppose a second innings deficit may justify one extra batsmen for aussie, but then, an extra bowler might have come in handy. Hard to know.

Good partnership between these two. Very healthy run-rate as well.

Fifty for Bairstow

Had some luck ; but weathered the left arm storm and has helped Root to put England in a commanding position.

Gone a long way to justifying his call up - which he earned anyway.

Good partnership this , just what the doctor ordered...

trebellbobaggins wrote:I suppose a second innings deficit may justify one extra batsmen for aussie, but then, an extra bowler might have come in handy.  Hard to know.

Trouble is , the extra batsman just isn't much good. Probably would have been better off recalling Watson.

Nearly a run out...careful , chaps. No donations , now.

Root to 96

And reaches his hundred off a nice pie from his "mate" , Warner

Well batted again , Joe

alfie wrote:

trebellbobaggins wrote:I suppose a second innings deficit may justify one extra batsmen for aussie, but then, an extra bowler might have come in handy.  Hard to know.

Trouble is , the extra batsman just isn't much good.  Probably would have been better off recalling Watson.

Hindsight is a wonderful thing....

Century for Root.

What a talent! England p!ssing home to victory.

That'll do me for the night , I think.

Enjoy the rest , northern hemisphere viewers - see them through to stumps , ok ?

Best day since Melbourne 2010...brilliant.

Very mature from young Root yet again.  Came in at a time when the good work could have been undone but has helped build a solid lead. Impressive.

Night Alfie.

Not sure how Clarke survives this humiliation...Last game was embarrassing enough.

I think the lead is getting to a point where even the Aussies might worry a bit. If they were 300 + down they'd be seriously up against it.

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Not sure how Clarke survives this humiliation...Last game was embarrassing  enough.

Can't blame Clarke for 9 other batsman failing, or his bowlers decided they'd like to bowl at standards lower than what most of us play every weekend.

That said, I think this will be his last series anyway.

ah darn.. a great session tarnished by a wicket.

lots of progress though.

Nice knock by Bairstow, which will go some way to cementing his place in the side.

Dangerously close to the 300/5 now!

And why are England sending a bloody nightwatchman in?!

so kp read it pretty spot on then, just got the wrong team name.

We should never have doubted a chap who holds opinions so free of bias and prejudice.

England ambling to the close; their best day for five years!

I still think aussie will get 350-400 in their second, it'd be like them. so a nice 400 would be rather welcome, keep the chase small.

A more than perfect day for Broad, ROOOOOOOT and England, this game is done and with it the series, the horrendous Lords pitch has ruined what could and should have been a Whitewash.

Won't know how good the pitch is until both teams have had a bat on it !!

Dunno if you missed the first 2 hours truss

Well 270 odd for 4 would've been a decent day for us without even bowling the other team out.

Unbelievable days play - one of the best in English history. The Ashes are all but won!

Stokes, Buttler and Ali to all come in tomorrow with no pressure against a completely demoralised outfit. Should be entertaining!

Olly wrote:Well 270 odd for 4 would've been a decent day for us without even bowling the other team out.

Unbelievable days play - one of the best in English history. The Ashes are all but won!

Stokes, Buttler and Ali to all come in tomorrow with no pressure against a completely demoralised outfit. Should be entertaining!

One of the best from any team that I can remember.

Since 2010, Aus have been chucked out for 47, 60, and 88. They've also been dismissed for less than 150 on a few other occasions. Given the fact that Ponting/Hussey and Clarke was the middle order for two of those collapses, I think it's safe to assume Aussie batsmen have forgotten how to bat. Funny enough. During the 97-98 tour of South Africa, one of the leading ideas in SA at the time was to basically spice the wickets to hell. The theory being of course that while the Aussies were simply the better team over five days on a true wicket (underlined by their innings victory in Johannesburg on a belter). Of course we lost the series - unfortunately it seems our batsmen were less equipped to face Mcgrath and Gillespie on green tinges than we thought - but we did bowl Australia out for less than 200 twice in that series. The Australian game plan to dominate world cricket was built around proactivity. It also relied on fair pitches with Mcgrath and Warne not needing all that much help anyway. On lively decks, they've shown how hit and miss the strategy can be. In the post 2010 let's try have have a result , with a return to more helpful pitches, and more importantly, a less talented batting outfit... They certainly run the risk of being bundled out. At all times.

At some point today or tomorrow, England will regain the Ashes.

They look as well prepared to play the moving ball as England were to play short pitched fast bowling down under. Had Lords not been a dead pitch England should be chasing a whitewash.

kingraf wrote:Since 2010, Aus have been chucked out for 47, 60, and 88. They've also been dismissed for less than 150 on a few other occasions. Given the fact that Ponting/Hussey and Clarke was the middle order for two of those collapses, I think it's safe to assume Aussie batsmen have forgotten how to bat. Funny enough. During the 97-98 tour of South Africa, one of the leading ideas in SA at the time was to basically spice the wickets to hell. The theory being of course that while the Aussies were simply the better team over five days on a true wicket (underlined by their innings victory in Johannesburg on a belter). Of course we lost the series - unfortunately it seems our batsmen were less equipped to face Mcgrath and Gillespie on green tinges than we thought - but we did bowl Australia out for less than 200 twice in that series. The Australian game plan to dominate world cricket was built around proactivity. It also relied on fair pitches with Mcgrath and Warne not needing all that much help anyway. On lively decks, they've shown how hit and miss the strategy can be. In the post 2010 let's try have have a result , with a return to more helpful pitches, and more importantly, a less talented batting outfit... They certainly run the risk of being bundled out. At all times.

I think world cricket in general is geared towards preparing pitches that suit your bowlers more than it ever has been, it's something we (England) wouldn't do during the 90's through fear of being skittled out ourselves. It's what made the Australians so dangerous and difficult to beat, no matter the conditions their bowlers had the ability to bowl out any team cheaply, having both a world class metronome like McGrath and a world class spinner like Warne in the same team is incredibly rare. Those two retiring has made scoreboard pressure of a low total really tell, they now rely on Johnson having one of his rare unplayable sessions.

The Aussies are never dead until they are...

Being said a 300 lead would be asking them to get 500 runs... after being done for 60, without even having to deal with stokes ali or even Steven Finn.

They DO have one last chance though

Aussie need to bin Clarke asap and make that Extras guy skipper and opening bat; dont' know much about him but highest score today in a dismal all time low performance by the kangaroo fiddlers.