Media Leaking Information

Whoever is linking the England news to the national press is a disgrace and it's constantly happening! All the news papers run the "likely" 15 before big games and always get it spot on and now they're all running the Cipraini story!

Needs to stop in my opinion

I'd love it if Cipriani was actually in the squad now. He won't be of course, you're right, it's pretty much always spot on. It depends if the players actually find out or not before the press do. If they actually know before the press are told then it's just a bit annoying for fans, but if the press know before the players then someone could find out they are not going to the world cup through the fecking telegraph!

I was listening to this on talksport in the car earlier, what has happened, has somebody got Lancaster's phone tapped or something ?

Blame it on social media (or UNSOCIAL media, imo)...

Its the way of today..

I believe (and hope its the case) that the management team inform the players individually before they announce to the press, team and squad details. BUT, here lies the problem. With today's tw@tter and FacePage those left out will vent their frustration by posting the news (Not all ...) and then from there it cant be contained. Hence the papers have the snippets they need before the press release is made.

I just want to add, in this case, I believe Cips, it seems, has been professional in his approach, as there is nothing that links him to the leak that he's not included. But that doesn't mean he hasn't had words with his agent and if he does that, I bet the Agents have ways of leaking through unsociable media routes without it being traced back (ie. spoof accounts).

So, its these leaks are here to stay, and every team will suffer the same.

Last year, my company had to lay staff off. I was in the management meeting where it was discussed, and I know there was a very disgruntle manager. The redundancies (at office level, not individual) went around tw@tter before we had time to officially announce to the office being impacted. It was a nightmare and really "horrible" for those being impacted.

The sign of progress... I don't think so..

No9 wrote:Blame it on social media (or UNSOCIAL media, imo)...

Its the way of today..

I believe (and hope its the case) that the management team inform the players individually before they announce to the press, team and squad details. BUT, here lies the problem. With today's tw@tter and FacePage those left out will vent their frustration by posting the news (Not all ...) and then from there it cant be contained. Hence the papers have the snippets they need before the press release is made.

I just want to add, in this case, I believe Cips, it seems, has been professional in his approach, as there is nothing that links him to the leak that he's not included. But that doesn't mean he hasn't had words with his agent and if he does that, I bet the Agents have ways of leaking through unsociable media routes without it being traced back (ie. spoof accounts).

So, its these leaks are here to stay, and every team will suffer the same.

Last year, my company had to lay staff off. I was in the management meeting where it was discussed, and I know there was a very disgruntle manager. The redundancies (at office level, not individual) went around tw@tter before we had time to officially announce to the office being impacted. It was a nightmare and really "horrible" for those being impacted.

The sign of progress... I don't think so..

This is nothing but a rant about social media, theres no evidence that anything has come through social media and when there is the press will happily quote it

The England squad were given a code of conduct going into camp and told how to approach social media, they were ahead of the problem were as your company wasn't.

IMSVHO more a case of Lancaster keeping the media on side by giving out leaks

Tiger/Chief wrote:Whoever is linking the England news to the national press is a disgrace and it's constantly happening! All the news papers run the "likely" 15 before big games and always get it spot on and now they're all running the Cipraini story!

Needs to stop in my opinion

I'm sorry but Lancaster isn't exactly hard to second guess is he ?

No9 wrote:Blame it on social media (or UNSOCIAL media, imo)...

Its the way of today..

I believe (and hope its the case) that the management team inform the players individually before they announce to the press, team and squad details. BUT, here lies the problem. With today's tw@tter and FacePage those left out will vent their frustration by posting the news (Not all ...) and then from there it cant be contained. Hence the papers have the snippets they need before the press release is made.

I just want to add, in this case, I believe Cips, it seems, has been professional in his approach, as there is nothing that links him to the leak that he's not included. But that doesn't mean he hasn't had words with his agent and if he does that, I bet the Agents have ways of leaking through unsociable media routes without it being traced back (ie. spoof accounts).

So, its these leaks are here to stay, and every team will suffer the same.

Last year, my company had to lay staff off. I was in the management meeting where it was discussed, and I know there was a very disgruntle manager. The redundancies (at office level, not individual) went around tw@tter before we had time to officially announce to the office being impacted. It was a nightmare and really "horrible" for those being impacted.

The sign of progress... I don't think so..

Do you have any examples at all of players using Facebook or Twitter to vent about their non-selection before it's properly made public? And what exactly would be the motive for an agent to leak the story via spoof accounts? If someone in the rugby world wants to leak a story I'd imagine they just contact the journalist direct and tell them off-the-record.

Edit to delete a stray word on the end.

I suggest that somebody saw an opportunity to make some extra cash and leaked it to a journalist after he was handed his brown envelope.

How much would a journalist be willing to pay for news that a guy who has played 20 minutes in the past 5 years might not make the world cup team?

You only have to look at football transfer stories to know they don't need sources to speculate about a story.

Scottrf wrote:How much would a journalist be willing to pay for news that a guy who has played 20 minutes in the past 5 years might not make the world cup team?

It's a scoop. Thats all the journalists care about, also, what I was listening to on the radio this morning, it was not just Cipriani, but the whole squad was leaked.

The whole squad wasn't news. There were a couple of positions which were under any debate at all.

So you're saying people within the team are taking bribes then LD?

LordDowlais wrote:

Scottrf wrote:How much would a journalist be willing to pay for news that a guy who has played 20 minutes in the past 5 years might not make the world cup team?

It's a scoop. Thats all the journalists care about

It's what media critic Jay Rosen calls an "ego scoop"

https://publicnotebook.wordpress.com/2012/04/20/four-types-of-scoops/

...Where the news would have come out anyway – typically because it was announced or would have been announced – but some reporter managed to get ahead of the field and break it before anyone else. From the user’s point of view, there is zero significance to who got it first. This kind of scoop is essentially meaningless.

I highly doubt that anyone is taking bribes. However if I were a betting man I'd bet a large amount that the management have a pr person who passes on these details to keep the journalists on side. Provided the players know before the journalists do I suppose its just the way of the world these days.

As mentioned elsewhere, the players know long before the official announcement, management are obviously giving the journos the team in advance to keep them on side.

That anyone thinks players would risk their career for a bribe from a rugby journalist is laughable? How much do you think rugby journos make? Or how much do you think knowing a team a few hours ahead of the announcement is worth to the newspapers??

Was it not a case that Cips put out a message on twitter/facebook thanking everyone for their support over the last while. The tone of that message sounded pessimistic on him being selected in the squad and everything was inferred from there.

There will always be ways of journos picking up what is going on. If a team runs a first team versus the rest on a wednesday before a game (announcing the team on the Thursday) then anyone with a press pass and a pair of eyes would be able to figure out the starting side. If you were around the extended squad the afternoon everyone gets told and saw 5-6 people looking very depressed and unhappy you might quickly assume who get the bad news, etc.

Doesn't always have to be a player/management deliberately leaking to a member of press for profit.

As I learned in the Army: If no one talks, no one information gets out.

In other words, there is almost always someone who can't keep it in their pants and feels compelled to spill the beans. Depending on the situation it may be critical to keep one's mouth shut. In sports generally, not so much.

thebandwagonsociety wrote:Was it not a case that Cips put out a message on twitter/facebook thanking everyone for their support over the last while.  The tone of that message sounded pessimistic on him being selected in the squad and everything was inferred from there.

The reports were expressed with too much certainty for it to have just been based on that though, especially since Cipriani claimed underneath that he hadn't been told yet. The reports contradicted this of course, saying he was told before training yesterday.

BBC Sport are very careful with their reporting - they rarely state things as fact without attributing it to a quote or at least a "BBC Sport understands that..." qualification - so for them to also run an article stating outright that Cipriani had missed out there must have been an off the record briefing or Cipriani must have told someone himself.

They got some of it wrong as some reports were saying Morgan wasnt going to make the squad.

Look its pretty obvious that the Telegraph are the RFUs preferred outlet, little wonder given their paper is roughly 50% rugby several weeks ahead of the torunament starting whilst others continue to acknowledge the existence of soccerball. In return for that and picking up the lunch bill they get first dibs on some juicy bits of gossip.

Its hardly Judith Miller territory to be first to run what everyone knew anyway

Gooseberry wrote:Look its pretty obvious that the Telegraph are the RFUs preferred outlet, little wonder given their paper is roughly 50% rugby several weeks ahead of the torunament starting whilst others continue to acknowledge the existence of soccerball. In return for that and picking up the lunch bill they get first dibs on some juicy bits of gossip.

Its hardly Judith Miller territory to be first to run what everyone knew anyway

Funny. I tend to think that (sadly) when most newspapers review their sports coverage and they see the huge imbalance between football coverage and everything else they reduce everything else so they can fit more football in...

Don't worry. It's just the drama circus kicking in. No publicity is bad publicity and all that jazz. All done to generate interest, to get media verbal battles going and to get paying punters to keep tuning in for all the instalments. Biznezz....... Nothing personal.