Leicester Tigers Thread 2015/16 A New Beginning Part 1

[Welly]

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2015/16 Senior Squad ATM:
Coaches: Cockerill (DOR), Mauger (HC), Hansen (Defence + Skills Coach), Blaze (Ass. Forwards), Murphy (Ass. Backs)
1/3) Ayerza, Balmain, Brugnara, Cole, Mulipola, Pasquali, Rizzo
2) Youngs, Ghiraldini, Bateman, Thacker
4/5) De Chaves, Fitzgerald, Kitchener, Slater
6/7/8) Crane, Croft, Fonua, McCaffrey, O'Connor, Pearce, Williams
9) Harrison, Kitto, Youngs
10) Burns, Williams
12/13) Bai, Loamanu, Roberts, Smith, Tuilagi
11/14) Benjamin, Betham, Camacho, Goneva, Thompstone,
15) Bell, Morris, Tait

2015/16 Development Squad: Oliver Byrant, Jake Farnworth, George Tresidder,  Will Owen

2015/16
Greg Bateman (Exeter)
Mike Williams (Warriors)
Mike Fitzgerald (Chiefs)
Opeti Fonua (Welsh)
Brendon O'Connor (Blues)
Peter Betham (NSW Waratahs)
Lachlan McCaffrey (London Welsh)
Jono Kitto (Bay of Plenty + Cheifs Development Squad)

Transfers Out 2014/15:
Paul Burke (N/A)
Phil Blake (N/A)
Neil McCarthy (Glous)
Tom Price (Scarlets)
Geoff Parling (Exeter)
Neil Briggs (Sale)
Julien Salvi (Exeter)
Pohe (USC)
Brad Thorn (Retirement)
Peterson (Glasgow)
Hamilton (Coventry)
Bristow (Wasps)
R.Williams (?)
Whetton
Hepetema (BoP)
Allen (Retirement)

[Geordie]

Is Slater back?

How is he performing?

[LondonTiger]

Is Slater back?

How is he performing?

Was on the bench against Stade Francais and Treviso, started against bath and Wuss. Solid so far really, anchoring an improved scrum, clearing out rucks to good effect to speed up ball and being a key player in a good driving maul. I like him as a player - but feel that he will only ever be an excellent club player.


Kitch however I do think could be a star. He came off the bench to excellent effect against Bath for his first appearance of the regular season, and was dominant at lineout in very hard conditions on Saturday.

[formerly known as Sam]

Agreed LT. Slater has had some good physical carries. He added a nice edge vs Bath. I think time and injuries are counting against him internationally and if he doesn't break into the squad this season and take control of a shirt I don't think he ever will.

[Geordie]

Barrow will be the boy...Mark my words.

Him and Kitch in the engine room....now that's a monster second row!

[formerly known as Sam]

Barrow is going to have to improve a lot to displace Slater. Fitzgerald is looking like a good Deacon replacement (not quite the monster in the tight mind) as well. Barrow will be the future Tigers 4 just don't expect it to be this season or maybe even next.

Kitchener is a unit, 19 stone line out operator. His return will be significant to our season as he was massive for us last year (top AP line out steals).

[king_carlos]

After the large but needed turnover of players from last season it is really good to see the core of the squad shaping up for next season as well already. It's a real credit to the improvements already made that the experienced guys are wanting to stay.

1.Ayerza, Rizzo/Aguero, Brugnara, Sio
2.Youngs, Bateman
3.Cole, Balmain, Pas
4.Slater, Barrow
5.Kitchener, Fitzgerald, De Chaves
6.Williams, Croft
7.O'Connor, McCaffery, Thacker, (Owen)
8.Fonau, Pearce

9.Youngs, Harrison, Kitto
10.Williams, Burns

11.Veainu, Morris, (Odogwu)
12.Toomua, Smith, (Bryant)
13.Tuilagi, Catchpole
14.Thompstone, Betham
15.Tait, Bell

For early December that is a really pleasing core of players to already have signed up for next season. Even removing the ones in itallics who haven't signed yet but I'd expect us to retain at current.

Loose head must now be the main area of focus with all of Logo, Rizzo, Brugnara and Sio out of contract. Plus Aguero only being injury cover. I'd hope to keep at least one of Rizzo or Aguero as a strong back up to Marcos. After investing a fair chunk of time in both I'd hope we'd persevere at least of of Brugnara or Sio too.

If Leo goes we will also need a strong signing at hooker otherwise we will likely burnout OTY. Bateman has shown up well in the loose but poorly in the line-out thus far so I wouldn't be comfortable with him moving beyond 3rd choice.

Veainu has got to to be our new top target for re-signing though. Especially with Niki looking likely to head to France, understandably at this stage of his career. TV offers that little bit of star dust in the back three with his capability to make something from nothing.

[king_carlos]

Mike Williams out for 3 months due to his broken arm. The break was bad enough for a plate to be inserted.

Such a shame as he'd played like the brute we'd be asking for in the back row so far this season.

[formerly known as Sam]

It's a big blow. He's been exceptional this season and bagged a couple of well deserved man of the match awards. Worryingly there's no like for like replacement in a weekend where he was probably going to be key. He's really added something we've missed from that back row.

We either move Fitzgerald to six and lose some mobility around the park or go with Croft and lose some physicality. Both are quality players but I'm not sure either ideal for a windy and probably wet game at Thomond Park.

[king_carlos]

I'd stick with Croft for Thomond. We lose a bit of physicality but in a game where line-outs will likely be key and horrible to nail down he offers an excellent jumper on our ball and a disruptive presence on Munsters.

I expect that Fitz will start in the second row with Kitchener only just back from injury. It's looking like a game that would be tailored made for Louis Deacon and given the Fitzgerald has been talked up left right and centre and as an excellent Deacon replacement it would feel a bit counter intuitive to leave him out now!

[formerly known as Sam]

He's Deacon esque but not so much in the tight. That huge unseen work rate in the loose is good. Allows us to use Kitch as impact.

[king_carlos]

I wouldn't say he's at Deacons level in the tight but I've been impressed with him there. When we were getting a lock who also played 6 in super rugby I was expecting someone very mobile but perhaps lacking at set-piece.

I've been impressed with him in this regard though. Especially on maul defence he seems to have joined the likes of Marcos, OTY and Kitch in being a royal nuisance. He may not marshal attacking mauls like Louis did when he jumped for the ball but but I've been very happy with his input in the tight overall.

[formerly known as Sam]

Fitzgerald has been a good acquisition. He's a good all rounder and very few were as good as Deacon in the tight. Fitz gets around the park more and definitely has that every breakdown work rate.

[LondonTiger]

Are our lineouts at risk of getting too complicated?

I noticed a couple of times that, usually after a lot position shifting, that the lifters were not always in the right place or ready. i think this was a factor in the messy take for Munsters first try.

[formerly known as Sam]

I think there was a concern that Munster had five jumpers and the experience to challenge our set piece. I think the Munster try came from a well placed pull on the arm of Kitch at the line out. I expect a less complicated line out for the Newcastle game on boxing day.

It was a huge win last night but we need to get that physicality at the breakdown from the off and not from 25-30 minutes in. That breakdown was my main concern as we much start to offer Youngs better and quicker ball to work with if we want to get our exciting runners into space.

[king_carlos]

It's something that bothered me a bit but it's also one of my pet peeves. I complained about England using too much movement during the RWC too.

IMO the best line-outs run predominantly on 'action beats reaction' - trademark Victor Matfield! If you watch the SA line-outs that function like clockwork they throw to the middle (and often the same jumper) 9/10. The defence know it's going there but it works because they execute their basic skills. They trust that the jumper and lifters will reach the highest point they can and the thrower will hit the jumper at that point.

Line-outs need movement to mix things up but that's what it should be, a mix up. When you start using movement for every line-out I think things often get messy.

With a lock at 7 and two 8s who jump at 6 and 8 Munster were an odd case yesterday as Sam says. Given we had Kitchener, Fitzgerald and Slater as jumpers plus O'Connor who has looked adept there I'd have preferred us to keep things simpler though.

[king_carlos]

Shifting away from the rumours thread

What sides do we people want to see for the Munster return game and Falcons visit to WR on Boxing day?

I'd like to see things stay much the same for Munsters visit. I'd keep the starting pack the same but bring Croft onto the bench if he's back from illness. In the backs I reckon JDV may get the nod ahead of Bai. If Tait is fit I'd start him at FB and hold Veainu back for impact. If not get Betham on the bench.

1.Ayerza 2.Youngs 3.Cole 4.Kitch 5.Fitz 6.Slater 7.O'Connor 8.McCaffery
9.Youngs 10.Williams 11.Goneva 12.Bai/JDV 13.Smith 14.Thompstone 15.Veainu/Tait

16.Thacker 17.Aguero 18.Balmain 19.Barrow 20.Croft 21.Harrison 22.Burns/Bell 23.Veainu/Betham

In an ideal world with guys like Burns and Leo back fit for boxing day I'd like to see something like below against Falcons. If the mystical creature that is Manu is available then add him to the bench rather than Camacho.

1.Aguero 2.Leo 3.Balmain 4.Slater 5.Kitch 6.Croft 7.O'Connor 8.Pearce
9.Harrison 10.Burns 11.Veainu 12.Bryant 13.JDV 14.Betham 15.Tait

16.Thacker 17.Ayerza 18.Cole 19.Barrow 20.Crane 21.Kitto 22.Bell 23.Camacho

I'd also be happy to see JDV partnering Catchpole or Roberts on boxing day. I really rate Bryant and think he could fit into the new system brilliantly though. Falcons at home after a couple of bruising ECC games with us (hopefully still) in good form seems a good game to give one of the young centres a chance in though.

[LondonTiger]

Still not 100% convinced that Bryant is registered for AP duty, though Welly has tried to persuade me otherwise.

I am one of those not enthused by the signing of JDV in a playing sense - and based on his turning circle now exceeding that of a minibus I would worry about him at 13.

[formerly known as Sam]

Bryant hasn't been played for Doncaster recently and he went through a spell of starting and playing well for them before an injury. Maybe he's not fit.

I'd like to see Thacker get a start alongside Aguero and Balmain in the Newcastle game. I don't envisage them getting much game time vs Munster this weekend so be good to rotate.

[Rugby Fan]

Welsh guy on Eggchasers podcast yesterday said he had heard a rumour Kitchener has had a bust-up with Cockerill.

Might be old news to you guys but I was curious given that he's been spoken about as a potential Test candidate.

[king_carlos]

Still not 100% convinced that Bryant is registered for AP duty, though Welly has tried to persuade me otherwise.

I am one of those not enthused by the signing of JDV in a playing sense - and based on his turning circle now exceeding that of a minibus I would worry about him at 13.

I wasn't that excited by JDV as a player for the same reason, his lack of pace. Now he's here I say we give him a chance in both centre spots though. We saw on Saturday how much positioning can make up for a lack of pace at club level with Smiths defensive performance. Saili has bags of pace but he was kept very quiet by good positioning and line speed.

If Bryant is injured then I'd happily see JDV at 12 with Catchpole/Roberts at 13 anyway. Especially if Manu was on the bench!

Sam - I'd like Thacker on the bench as I'd like to see him come on with a fresh Ayerza to give him a real chance of shining. I personally don't think hooker is his best position but if he's staying there then I'd like to see him given the best chance to shine same as the young centres. Give him the last 30 minutes with a fresh Marcos and see what damage he can do.

[formerly known as Sam]

Aguero is a solid scrummaging prop. He can keep the loosehead side secure. Will Leo be fit in time and be able to start a game? I'd rather deploy Thacker for 50 mins and then bring on Leo. Against Newcastle his action loose displays will be a benefit.

[king_carlos]

The Falcons scrum has been operating better with Welsh coming in and McGuigan playing well. Thacker would be a gamble but not a ridiculous one. I just like the idea of Harry being given good game time between our first choice props to see how he goes.

As said I think he'll end up most effective in the back row though so I am a skeptic there. Hopefully he proves me wrong but it'd be such a waste to see a situation where he continues to focus on hooker with little major success then moves to flanker due to injuries and excels - I'm think Dave Ward!

I thought Leo was due back late December which would fit with the Falcons game?

Cockers has stated that Freddie Burns will be fit for Sunday but they are waiting until Thursday to make a call on Owen.

[king_carlos]

http://www.leicestermercury.co.uk/Injury-report-provides-Leicester-Tigers-fans/story-28384933-detail/story.html

JDV a possibility for Boxing day but wont feature this weekend.

Tait, Logo and Fonau all due back on boxing day.

Leo isn't due back until Northampton game on 9th January.

Niall Morris is going to turn out for the 2nd team on Monday. Excellent news there as we hadn't heard anything about him for a long while. Great to hear he's nearing fitness.

[formerly known as Sam]

No news on Mr Big Bucks though. Squad depth coming back in at a good time. Means we could rest completely one of the first choice props for the Falcons game (maybe both with Pas on the bench).

[king_carlos]

Nope, everything still quiet on Manu. With an injury such as his I'd rather that the club didn't put a date on his return as Cockers did saying he'd be back for boxing day. Every time he then doesn't appear it seems like another set-back. I'd prefer they dealt with it as Ulster did with Ferris, just stay quiet and let Manu and the back room staff get on with it. When he is fit name him in a team sheet to let us know he's back.

I'd rest Marcos and have Logo on the bench. Cole had a full rest against Treviso whereas Marcos has played every game in some part since he returned from injury.

Pas would depend if we are keeping OTY on the bench or not. I'd like to keep the impact of a couple of our big name front rows in the squad even if just on the bench.

1.Aguero 2.Thacker 3.Balmain

16.Youngs 17.Logo 18.Pas

That I'd be happy with but if Bateman and Thacker are the two hookers in the 23 I'd like Cole to be kept on the bench for impact.

[formerly known as Sam]

Agreed. Like those options for the Newcastle game. Keep the front row strong but see what some of the younger guys can do. I'd we can give Ayerza and Cole a break after gruelling back to back games then all the better.

Now Williams or Burns?

[king_carlos]

Freddie is confirmed fit for Sunday. Cockers said earlier in the week that they'd make a call on Owens knee today. Given he wasn't mentioned in that article I'd guess it wasn't good news and he isn't available for Munster.

That's purely speculation on my part though, hopefully Cockers is just playing his cards close to his chest. Owen fit and in good form is a better option than a returning Freddie at this time of year and current weather IMO. Especially for a game against a Munster side out to prove a point.

[formerly known as Sam]

Agree though Burns over Bell has to happen as Bell looked out of his depth when he came off the bench last weekend. I like him as a player but he's better suited at full back and isn't a fly half you want in a tight game against high quality opposition.

[king_carlos]

Bell has looked better at 10 this season but he struggled at the weekend. His goal kicking has been good but his kicking from hand looks panicked and rushed. He often seems to go for length rather than placement which against top sides will get punished.

He also stood too deep. This is understandable from a full back playing his first game at 10 at this level, but with the way we are looking to play he needs to stand flatter. Especially when Harrison comes on at scrum half.

[formerly known as Sam]

I think he struggles with time on the ball. He needs thinking time, it's not instinctive decision making. That means he stands deeper to give himself more time. Confidence plays a part and he's stood flatter than last season and looked to distribute wider. He needs to take that extra step towards the line though.

He's got a big boot but his kicking action isn't particularly quick, bit like 36, so he does tend to rush the kicks which hurts his accuracy. It's been seen before where players with a big boot fall back on their range as a substitute for accuracy. He's got to learn to perfect his placement which is why I'm a fan of Williams and was a fan of Ford whilst he was at the club.

[king_carlos]

Agree with all that Sam. I still think he's better off at FB. With Morris coming back to fitness and Veainu looking so good it starts to be difficult to see him getting as much game time there though. Hopefully intelligent rotation will keep seeing him develop whilst Tait etc stay fresh.

Having options to rotate is new ground compared to recent seasons so I'm really interested to see how Cockers deals with it.

http://www.leicestermercury.co.uk/Veainu-want-stay-Leicester-Tigers-rest-career/story-28385842-detail/story.html

More great news there. I hadn't realised that he turned down long term AP deals to come to Welford Road. It's a very telling example of how well Mauger is considered as a coach that Veainu was so keen to work with him again. I know we don't announce contract lengths but hopefully that will be a 3 year contract being announced shortly in the new year!

[LondonTiger]

Leicester Tigers (v Munster Rugby, Welford Road, Sunday 5.15pm)
15 Telusa Veainu
14 Adam Thompstone
13 Peter Betham
12 Matt Smith
11 Vereniki Goneva
10 Freddie Burns
9 Ben Youngs
1 Marcos Ayerza
2 Tom Youngs
3 Dan Cole
4 Mike Fitzgerald
5 Graham Kitchener
6 Ed Slater (c)
7 Brendon O'Connor
8 Lachlan McCaffrey

Replacements
16 Harry Thacker
17 Matias Aguero
18 Fraser Balmain
19 Dom Barrow
20 Tom Croft
21 Sam Harrison
22 Tommy Bell
23 Seremaia Bai

[LondonTiger]

Munster: Andrew Conway; Keith Earls, Francis Saili, Denis Hurley, Simon Zebo; Ian Keatley, Conor Murray; James Cronin, Mike Sherry, John Ryan; Mark Chisholm, Donnacha Ryan, Robin Copeland; Dave O'Callaghan, CJ Stander Capt.

Replacements: Niall Scannell, Dave Kilcoyne, Mario Sagario, Dave Foley, Jack O'Donoghue, Tomás O'Leary, Rory Scannell, Lucas Gonzalez Amorosino.

[formerly known as Sam]

So Burns in an Croft to actually feature on the bench for us. No changes for them? Though that their coaches might drop one or two just to make a point. Thought Amorisno added something to their attack when he came on as well.

Hope Burns is ready to go, ideal time for him to put down a marker.

[LondonTiger]

3 changes for them according to the article on Munsterwebsite

[LondonTiger]

The return fixture sees Head Coach Anthony Foley make three changes to the side that suffered defeat to Leicester last Saturday in Thomond Park.

All three changes are in the pack with Mike Sherry and John Ryan joining James Cronin in the front row while Mark Chisholm starts in the second row with Donnacha Ryan.

An unchanged backline sees Conor Murray and Ian Keatley in the half-backs, with Denis Hurley and Francis Saili in midfield and completing the back three are Simon Zebo, Keith Earls and Andrew Conway.

With BJ Botha continuing to follow return to play protocols for a concussion sustained last weekend Uruguayan international Mario Sagario is named in the replacements in his first Champions Cup match-day squad.

[formerly known as Sam]

Yep course, should have spotted the significant changes in the front row. BJ Botha was massive in the loose for Munster in that first half, played like a 7 at time.

[George Carlin]

https://www.606v2.com/t61638-champions-cup-pool-4-leicester-tigers-v-munster-20-december

[Welly]

Michael Vanvuuren 24 year old SA hooker, excerside a contract termination due to Kings non payments. Interesting

Leicester Tigers Development XV (v Northampton Wanderers, Leicester Grammar School, Monday 7pm)
15 George Worth
14 Christian Loamanu
13 Jack Roberts
12 Charlie Thacker
11 Gonzalo Camacho
10 Oli Bryant
9 Sam Harrison (c)
1 Riccardo Brugnara
2 Michael Vanvuuren
3 Tiziano Pasquali
4 Joe Maksymiw
5 Harry Wells
6 Charlie Beckett
7 Will Owen
8 Jordan Crane

Replacements
16 Jake Farnworth
17 Aniseko Sio
18 Dan Hogan
19 Fred Tuilagi
20 Oliver Povoas
21 Ben White
22 Jacob Umaga
23 Paolo Odogwu

Love that team great mix.

[formerly known as Sam]

Bryant isn't a ten but he'll get that back line moving. Harrison or Worth will probably kick for goal. Still no Tresidder?

Saw the Bok on trial at hooker. Interesting option, could come in as injury comp for Leo for the rest of the season and then as his replacement for next season. Has playing experience and young enough to make a name for himself.

[LondonTiger]

Harrison and Crane perhaps likely to start against Falcons, so getting some much needed match practice.

[king_carlos]

I really like that side. Bryant at 10 is purely to accommodate Thacker at the same time - it isn't ideal but having two young EQP 12s talented enough to demand that is great.

Glad to see Harry Wells involved somehow. I swear that he has been around the training squads for years now whilst playing for championship sides. In that time a battalion of locks seem to have come and gone whilst he continued in the 'development' bracket. Hopefully he shows something tonight.

For Falcons I'd like to see something like:

1.Aguero
2.Thacker
3.Balmain
4.Slater
5.Barrow
6.Croft
7.Owen
8.Crane

9.Harrison
10.Burns

11.Camacho
12.JDV
13.Catchpole/Roberts
14.Betham
15.Tait

16.Bateman
17.Logo
18.Cole
19.De Chaves
20.Pearce
21.Kitto
22.Bai
23.Bell

With Saracens, Northampton then back to Europe after this game I'd like to rotate.

[formerly known as Sam]

That's what I'd like to see also for the Falcons game. I'd sacrifice De Chaves and put one of our open sides on the bench though I reckon Cockers won't rest both again after our indifferent start to the Wuss game.

Be interesting to hear how some of those get on in the A league tonight. Charlie Thacker is a player with a lot of potential, he needs game time. Interesting that Bryant is playing opposite Olver. Both are dual registered with Doncaster and when both available Bryant started at ten with Olver benching, Bryant also played a bit at 12 with the regular Donny fly half with Olver benching, before Bryant got injured again. They should know each other.

[king_carlos]

As always it's tough to find too many details on the A-games - I'm living up in Scotland currently so no chance of seeing them myself!

From what I've found it was a 13 - 34 final score.

The first half sounds scrappy with us finishing 8-3 up. Will Owen charged down a clearing kick and Bryant pounced for the try. Then Bryant added a penalty as well.

We then added a second try early in the second half to make it 13-3. Roberts made a good break but was brought down just short then Loamanu barged over from the ensuing ruck.

From there everything seemed to capitulate very rapidly though.

Apparently Brugnara didn't return after half time and the scrum which was formerly solid began going backwards at an alarming rate. On the bright side I suppose this could mean Brugnara is scrummaging a bit better. On the downside Sio was the LH on the bench so sounds like he is still struggling with point 1 of his job description.

With the Northampton scrum going forward Luke Eves (coming off the bench) then scored a try. Soon after that Crane got sin binned with a penalty try awarded. After that it sounds like things really capitulated with Eves quickly getting another and Danny Hobbs-Awoyemi adding a final score to an ugly second half scoreline.

[formerly known as Sam]

It was blowing a gale last night. If we were under pressure and playing into the wind I imagine we could have conceded points quickly.

[king_carlos]

I think that's what happened Sam, yes. I'm frustrated I can't find much on how Van Vurren played. The best I can find is he threw his considerable bulk around well and 'I can't remember any poor throws at the line-out' from someone who was there.

Cockers has confirmed that JDV and Manu won't feature on Saturday.

Fonua is 'fit for selection' however, plus Tait and Logo 'will feature in the 23'.

[doctor_grey]

When will DeVilliers make his Tigers debut? He is a player I have respected for a long time. Never saw him as the best player on his teams but always seemed to be in the middle of the many things which went well for his teams.

[formerly known as Sam]

Tait to fullback and TV onto the wing in place of the so fat ever present Thommo? Logo to the bench and rotate the bench front row otherwise it's as is I reckon. He said its a case of managing the squad so other than maybe one more change in the back row that'll be it.

Shame was hoping to see JDV make his bow at Welford Rd and give Matt Smith a well deserved week off.

[king_carlos]

It's uncertain at current doc. The last date given for him was boxing day. The latest reports are that he is edging back towards full fitness but not quite there yet so wont feature this weekend.

With our visit to Franklins Gardens 3 weeks away I imagine that JDV will be featuring against Saints though. Hopefully he can be involved against Sarries in some regard the week before as well.

[king_carlos]

Tait to fullback and TV onto the wing in place of the so fat ever present Thommo? Logo to the bench and rotate the bench front row otherwise it's as is I reckon. He said its a case of managing the squad so other than maybe one more change in the back row that'll be it.

Shame was hoping to see JDV make his bow at Welford Rd and give Matt Smith a well deserved week off.

It seems like it yeah. I'd like Veainu to get a week off but it sounds like it may not happen. Things aren't helped by Camacho reportedly showing nothing the A game on Monday. With no news on Bateman I reckon that OTY may have to stay on the bench as well which isn't ideal.

1.Aguero 2.Thacker 3.Balmain 4.Slater 5.Barrow 6.Croft 7.McCaffery 8.Fonau
9.Harrison 10.Burns 11.Veainu 12.Bai 13.Catchpole 14.Betham 15.Tait

16.Youngs 17.Logo 18.Cole 19.Fitzgerald 20.Pearce 21.Kitto 22.Bell 23.Camacho

Following a head knock I presume they will be keen to rest Kitch even if he has come through all the checks and is available.

Catchpole wasn't in the A side on Monday and as far as I know he's fit. I wouldn't be surprised if he's given a shot.

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