McDonnell Kameda

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Not a bad tussle. I have it 2-2 after 4

On a side note is rubio better at super middle or is golovkin just that good

Giving dirrell a good argument here

Rubio is definitely fatter at super middle. Dirrell is just a bit sh*t and always has been.

But still golovkin sparked him with one shot

Anthony Dirrell just isnt that good at world level

Dirrell losing to Badou shows his level, distinctly average.

True hopefully groves does the business

I thought it could have gone either way......McDonnell because of his work rate impresses those that don't care about quality....and Kameda doesn't work enough..

Surprised Paulie didn't have him winning as he stunk like him..

Quigg next and a good trashing please..

McDonnell stunk, good one.

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:I thought it could have gone either way......McDonnell because of his work rate impresses those that don't care about quality....and Kameda doesn't work enough..

Surprised Paulie didn't have him winning as he stunk like him..

Quigg next and a good trashing  please..

I disagree with most of what you said there

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TRUSSMAN66 wrote:I thought it could have gone either way......McDonnell because of his work rate impresses those that don't care about quality....and Kameda doesn't work enough..

Surprised Paulie didn't have him winning as he stunk like him..

Quigg next and a good trashing  please..

Yep, quigg will get a good thrashing for you beefster

Seeing Dan Rafael and Paulie had Kameda comfortably winning

I have also seen some comments online about Kameda schooling McDonnell and getting robbed.

What are these people smoking, or at least please tell us what the scoring criteria is???

Starting to question every thing I know about boxing now, if landing a few flashy punches and getting pushed around on the back foot equates to a schooling.

BoxingFan88 wrote:Seeing Dan Rafael and Paulie had Kameda comfortably winning

I have also seen some comments online about Kameda schooling McDonnell and getting robbed.

What are these people smoking, or at least please tell us what the scoring criteria is???

Starting to question every thing I know about boxing now, if landing a few flashy punches and getting pushed around on the back foot equates to a schooling.

I agree i keep thinking it was clear to me how i saw the fight and i broadly agreed with judges scorecards, i do not see how the USA 'experts had Kameda beating Jamie to the punch consistantly as fat Dan said

OAccording to an earlier comment, Fat Dan, said kameda was beating McDonnell to the punch.

Not sure what you can say to that. Kameda countered him a few times, but beat him to the punch? McDonnell initiated almost every exchange in the entire fight.

That's what he said on his twitter after Eddie Hearn implied Rafael was drunk

I think maybe a lot of fans were swayed by pbc then how did they get it so different?? I didn't even think it was that difficult to score

I didn't listen to much of the commentators as my friend and I were discussing the action as it unfolded

Beat him to the punch for the first 2 rounds Yea

Maybe they watched the first two rounds on a loop???

Watched the fight again and even when being generous i still had Kameda losing

most fights that are 'controversial' i can usually see how there are enough swing rounds to give a big disparity in the scores... or alternatively you occasionally get a fight that's just really difficult to score.

Genuinely don't get this one. The international commentary team we had on sky gave all the close rounds to mcdonnell and had it too wide, but if you gave all the close ones to kameda i still can't get him winning.

Looking at some US sites there's a mix of those crying robbery and those saying their commentary was ludicrous. I sometimes despair of this place, but some other sites make this place seem almost sane. No mean feat.

I just don't get it, I'm flabbergasted, seriously I have some people telling me Kameda was controlling the fight?

Based on what? Backing up having to hold to get out of the corners and fighting at a much higher pace than he wanted to

I just don't get it, only explanation is the PBC team were cheerleading Kameda and everyone watching the telecast got their opinion swayed badly.

That's all I can think BF88, we have Sky doing the same with the British guys for the most part but we can still stay largely objective and come to our own conclusions.

Mitchell against Linares being an example, the commentary made it seem like one way traffic but I think everyone on here had it very close at the time of the stoppage.

I disagreed with the commentary team over the first four rounds, as I thought Kameda was throwing and landing enough heavy shots to outscore the jabs Jamie was landing with, but after that I struggled to give him much of anything. He was throwing far too infrequently to win the rounds.

Lot of time for McDonnell, two wins overseas against a decent opponent, gets the most possible out of his skill set. Suspect he does not have enough of a dig to make a serious dent up a division, but if he can get the Quigg fight and the payday that will go with it, it would be hard to begrudge him it.

Jamie should be the unified champion at Bantemweight now

Rowley wrote:I disagreed with the commentary team over the first four rounds, as I thought Kameda was throwing and landing enough heavy shots to outscore the jabs Jamie was landing with, but after that I struggled to give him much of anything. He was throwing far too infrequently to win the rounds.

Lot of time for McDonnell, two wins overseas against a decent opponent, gets the most possible out of his skill set. Suspect he does not have enough of a dig to make a serious dent up a division, but if he can get the Quigg fight and the payday that will go with it, it would be hard to begrudge him it.

I guess we all have rounds we were scoring differently. I thought the first 2 were clear kameda and the next 2 clear mcdonnell. I also thought, you could give kameda the 9th, BF88 gave him the 8th. I thought the 5th or the 6th (can't remember which) was quite close. If you take every round that one of us thought you could give him that's kameda by 1 with the knockdown!

Should have been a bit clearly Milky. I had Kameda three one up after four. Did think he won at least one more, but could not make an argument for him winning, particularly not with the 10-8 in the last.

I gave him 1, 2 and 8, the other nine rounds were carbon copies of each other, McDonnell moving forward behind his jab, Kameda landing the odd flashy left hand but largely hitting thin air or glove.

Ring Magazine scored it 115-112 for McDonnell

I had Kameda winning 1 & 2 no question, 3 was debatable, McDonnell came on strong, but Kameda might have nicked it

He could have the 8th as well, can't see anything else though

There are seriously people outraged about this decision, calling it a horrible robbery, its baffling!

I might add these people can't actually explain why Kameda won, except saying he landed the better punches, which he did at times, but not enough of them and he also missed a lot

The story of the fight is Kameda is great on the front foot, but he cannot fight on the back foot and he was on the back foot from the middle of the 3rd round

Anyone think McDonnel vs Quigg is a little more attractive after another sterling display from Jamie? I like that fight a lot.

McConnell for me, I just liked his work better.

aja424 wrote:McConnell for me, I just liked his work better.

aja, Are you Jim Watt? did you  think kameda's work was all arrrrruummmm punches?

hazharrison wrote:Anyone think McDonnel vs Quigg is a little more attractive after another sterling display from Jamie? I like that fight a lot.

Question marks over McDonnells power but to me he looks naturally bigger than Quigg despite being in a lower division, would be a good fight, it would boil down to power and workrate against jab and workrate.

I think its an attractive looking fight. Both have good work rate, but I think Mcdonnell has the attributes to out box and outwork quigg. The question is whether he can stand up to quigg's power. Neither fighter is too hard to find, but that's obviously a bigger problem for mcdonnell than it is for quigg. It looks like a lot of lanky body to target as well.

If mcdonnell stays on his feet he wins for me. Big if though.

This one may move Frampton Quigg further away than ever. Knowing he has a decent option in house for Quigg you'd think Hearn was not going to be too flexible in negotiations with Frampton and Barry

McDonnell has said this morning he is staying at Bantemweight for at least one more fight

wheelchair1991 wrote:McDonnell has said this morning he is staying at Bantemweight for at least one more fight

3rd fight with Kameda, because he clearly robbed him twice

......I'm speechless, I need to re-evaluate my scoring criteria

I'd like to see him take on Payano, a fight I think he could win quite comfortably, Yanamaka may be a bridge too far but would be an astonishing to win to round off the set.

Payano i imagine could be made and i believe would be an interesting and winnable fight for McDonnell

Credit to him if he looks to unify. You'd think the money was in the quigg fight, and by all accounts he unashamedly fights for the money. If he loses in the interim that fight looks less attractive/lucrative.

More likely to be Haskins isn't it?

milkyboy wrote:Credit to him if he looks to unify. You'd think the money was in the quigg fight, and by all accounts he unashamedly fights for the money. If he loses in the interim that fight looks less attractive/lucrative.

Your right he says himself he dislikes watching boxing and is not in love with the sport and never has been. He doesnt know most well known fighters either. He afmits he just does it for the money, fair play to him i say at least he's honest

I watched the last 2 rounds on the internet and watched the US coverage. The whole broadcast team and internal judge had Kameda clearly winning.

I checked on Twitter and Dan Rafael also saw a close but decisive win for Kameda.

When I saw Eddie Hearn tweeting his view about Jamie winning and hoping for no dodgy judging I assumed it was his bias.

The overall consensus was Jamie deserved the win so glad he got the nod.

hazharrison wrote:More likely to be Haskins isn't it?

I thought Haskins next fight had to be Randy Cabellero

wheelchair1991 wrote:

milkyboy wrote:Credit to him if he looks to unify. You'd think the money was in the quigg fight, and by all accounts he unashamedly fights for the money. If he loses in the interim that fight looks less attractive/lucrative.

Your right he says himself he dislikes watching boxing and is not in love with the sport and never has been. He doesnt know most well known fighters either. He afmits he just does it for the money, fair play to him i say at least he's honest

He still does plastering in between fights. Proper working-class hero is McDonnell.

Watched a repeat of the fight on the old Youtube and the Americans actually think Kameda was robbed, I can't work out if they're all on the wind up or we watched different fights.

We're all dumb ass biased Brits... Who don't know sheet about boxing or sheet about scoring a fight. Kameda schooled him jackass

Watching it now, strange CBS commentary so far. Kameda throws an overhand right that obviously misses McDonnell counters with a 3 punch combo, landing two with one blocked and the commentators talk about the sharp right hand of Kameda.
McDonnell can be landing consistently for 20-30 seconds straight with no response from Kameda and the commentators are just having a conversation about Kameda's brilliant timing.

Sounds like they've watched a few sky broadcasts and are scripting the fight before it happens a la Jim and nick. 

Froch groves 2... Sky had froch 4 up after 4. HBO had groves 4 up. Most sane people thought it was pretty close.

Ive watched the fight with CBS commentary and they do not even acknowlege McDonnell's work in some parts....shocking its as bad as Sky when Halling is on except its worse as we all know that Halling is a plank but this is Paulie Mallignaggi and Virgil Hunter

No wonder Khan has become more delusional in recent times with Hunter as his trainer.

I think you can tell by his reaction at the end of the 12th that Kameda knows he has lost the fight