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Post by George Carlin Thu 17 Sep 2015, 6:42 am

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SCOTLAND V JAPAN
23 September 2015
KO: 14:30 BST
Kingsholm, Gloucester

Live on [tbc]

Referee: John Lacey (Ireland)
Touch judges: George Clancy (Ireland) & Marius Mitrea (Italy)
Television match official: Shaun Veldsman (South Africa)

A. Head to Head

4 Played 4
4 Won 0
0 Drawn 0
0 Lost 4
221 Points 45

B. Recent Form

09 Nov 2013
Scotland 42 - 17 Japan
Murrayfield, Edinburgh

13 Nov 2004
Scotland 100 - 8 Japan
McDiarmid Park, Perth

12 Oct 2003
Scotland 32 - 11 Japan
Dairy Farmers Stadium, Townsville

05 Oct 1991
Scotland 47 - 9 Japan
Murrayfield, Edinburgh

C. Teams

SCOTLAND
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15 Stuart Hogg
14 Tommy Seymour
13 Mark Bennett
12 Matt Scott
11 Sean Lamont
10 Finn Russell
09 Greig Laidlaw (c)

01 Ali Dickinson
02 Ross Ford
03 Willem Nel
04 Grant Gilchrist
05 Jonny Gray
06 Ryan Wilson
07 John Hardie
08 David Denton

16 Fraser Brown
17 Ryan Grant
18 Jon Welsh
19 Richie Gray
20 Joshua Strauss
21 Henry Pyrgos
22 Peter Horne
23 Sean Maitland

JAPAN
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01- Keita Inagaki
02- Shota Horie
03- Hiroshi Yamashita
04- Luke Thompson
05- Justin Ives
06- Michael Leitch (captain)
07- Michael Broadhurst
08- Amanaki Mafi

09- Fumiaki Tanaka
10- Harumichi Tatekawa
11- Kenki Fukuoka
12- Yu Tamura
13- Male Sa'u
14- Kotaro Matsushima
15- Ayumu Goromaru

16- Takeshi Kizu
17- Masataka Mikami
18- Kensuke Hatakeyama
19- Shinya Makabe
20- Shoji Ito
21- Hendrik Tui
22- Atsushi Hiwasa
23- Karne Hesketh


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Post by Notch Wed 23 Sep 2015, 4:02 pm

majesticimperialman wrote:If Japan had had a 7/8 day turn around i would not fancy Scotland chances at all.

This surely needs to be looked at for the next RWC. NO team should have to play 3/4 days after their first game.

We need to extend the tournament by a week, basically.
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Post by kingjohn7 Wed 23 Sep 2015, 4:02 pm

4 tries on now. Scotland really got to go for it. Could be vital

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Post by majesticimperialman Wed 23 Sep 2015, 4:02 pm

Japan players are looking really tired now, it is becoming an unfair contest.

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Post by TightHEAD Wed 23 Sep 2015, 4:03 pm

Agreed
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Post by RDW Wed 23 Sep 2015, 4:03 pm

1st thing - don't mess this up

2nd thing - go for TBP

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Post by WELL-PAST-IT Wed 23 Sep 2015, 4:03 pm

Gone away from them now

Scotland can count themselves very lucky, should have been a yellow, Japans was ( and I think that was a Scottish knock on) and they should be 7 points less
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Post by EWT Spoons Wed 23 Sep 2015, 4:03 pm

BP seems a possibility now, hopefully some of the negative comments will calm down a bit. It's not been a great performance, but Japan are a decent team and we've a nice wee lead.

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Post by flyhalffactory Wed 23 Sep 2015, 4:03 pm

great try! well done Seymour and run under the posts as well..... good stuff
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Post by chewed_mintie Wed 23 Sep 2015, 4:04 pm

On balance RuggerRadge Japan should have been up quite a bit at halftime and just after. Didn't convert multiple chances and have been let down by poor refereeing now..

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Post by TightHEAD Wed 23 Sep 2015, 4:04 pm

Time for another 2 maybe 3 tries here
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Post by Notch Wed 23 Sep 2015, 4:04 pm

Japan can still get through after this; I really believe they can beat USA and Samoa. I don't believe anyone is going through this group unbeaten.

Scotland really, really need to get this try bonus point because if Japan do win their last 2 games they could be in a three-way tie with them and the Springboks.
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Post by RDW Wed 23 Sep 2015, 4:05 pm

Also, we need to deny Japan a LBP

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Post by yappysnap Wed 23 Sep 2015, 4:05 pm

Japan tiring because of that stupid short turn around now. To go from SA game to Scotland game with just 3 days in between is a joke.

From their performance first half you have to wonder what this game would be like if they'd had a full weeks rest.

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Post by LordDowlais Wed 23 Sep 2015, 4:06 pm

For all the people slagging off John Lacey, I say, welcome to the world of the Pro12. We have to put up with this crap every week. steam

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Post by RuggerRadge2611 Wed 23 Sep 2015, 4:06 pm

Am I missing something, who cares about the 4 day turnaround? Are Scotland just to let Japan win since they have had a 4 day turnaround. Scotland need to be ruthless now.

As for the Scotland doommongerers (you know who you are) quit with the depressing rants. This Japanese side beat the Springboks, and we are currently 21 points to the good....
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Post by beshocked Wed 23 Sep 2015, 4:07 pm

Japan tiring now.

Error count creeping up.

Scotland don't look very impressive but they are doing what they have to do.

A try bonus would make it a good start for Scotland.

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Post by TheMildlyFranticLlama Wed 23 Sep 2015, 4:07 pm

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Post by GunsGerms Wed 23 Sep 2015, 4:07 pm

Well done to Scotland for getting the job done. Favorites to top the group now?

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Post by maestegmafia Wed 23 Sep 2015, 4:07 pm

LordDowlais wrote:For all the people slagging off John Lacey, I say, welcome to the world of the Pro12. We have to put up with this crap every week. steam

Couldn't agree more

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Post by mikey_dragon Wed 23 Sep 2015, 4:07 pm

Great try by Bennett.

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Post by Notch Wed 23 Sep 2015, 4:08 pm

Aye there you go. Game over- back down to earth with a bump for Japan. But 10 days to prepare for Samoa now; this World Cup is far from over for the Brave Blossoms.
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Post by RDW Wed 23 Sep 2015, 4:08 pm

Bennett could become a real superstar

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Post by flyhalffactory Wed 23 Sep 2015, 4:09 pm

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Post by Notch Wed 23 Sep 2015, 4:09 pm

GunsGerms wrote:Well done to Scotland for getting the job done. Favorites to top the group now?

For me South Africa should win their three remaining games and they picked up 2 bonus points against Japan, so they are still the favourites.
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Post by TightHEAD Wed 23 Sep 2015, 4:09 pm

10 days! one extreme to another.
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Post by Tiger/Chief Wed 23 Sep 2015, 4:10 pm

Seymour's foot was over the dead ball line when he grounded the ball for the third try by the way! I can't have been the only one to see it!

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Post by mikey_dragon Wed 23 Sep 2015, 4:10 pm

GunsGerms wrote:Well done to Scotland for getting the job done. Favorites to top the group now?

SA can get 10 points against USA and Samoa, putting them on 12 points. They could beat Scotland by more than 7 and still top the group, possibly scoring another 4 tries. I don't reckon Scotland will get 10 points against USA and Samoa.

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Post by RuggerRadge2611 Wed 23 Sep 2015, 4:10 pm

TightHEAD wrote:10 days! one extreme to another.

We have a 4 day turnaround before the USA, somehow I get the impression you'll be less sympathetic to us.
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Post by beshocked Wed 23 Sep 2015, 4:11 pm

Bonus point in the bag - well done Scotland. There will be tougher challenges to come but a potential banana skin has been effectively dealt with.

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Post by Notch Wed 23 Sep 2015, 4:11 pm

Tiger/Chief wrote:Seymour's foot was over the dead ball line when he grounded the ball for the third try by the way! I can't have been the only one to see it!

I do think it was an error not to go upstairs and double check that one. Would not have changed the result, Japan are clearly fading fast in the last quarter. Turnaround just too much for them.
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Post by Artful_Dodger Wed 23 Sep 2015, 4:12 pm

Notch wrote:
Tiger/Chief wrote:Seymour's foot was over the dead ball line when he grounded the ball for the third try by the way! I can't have been the only one to see it!

I do think it was an error not to go upstairs and double check that one. Would not have changed the result, Japan are clearly fading fast in the last quarter. Turnaround just too much for them.

I thought the same, looked out of bounds.

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Post by brennomac Wed 23 Sep 2015, 4:12 pm

[quote="maestegmafia"]
LordDowlais wrote:For all the people slagging off John Lacey, I say, welcome to the world of the Pro12. We have to put up with this crap every week. steam

Couldn't agree more[/quote

+1 - how Lacey didn't give Nel a card is beyond belief. And yes, standard of reffing in Pro12 is dire - not just Lacey and Clancy. Sco and Wal refs - with exception of Nigel - are uniformly sh1te too.

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Post by yappysnap Wed 23 Sep 2015, 4:12 pm

RuggerRadge2611 wrote:Am I missing something, who cares about the 4 day turnaround? Are Scotland just to let Japan win since they have had a 4 day turnaround. Scotland need to be ruthless now.

I think you are missing something.

It's not up to Scotland to be nice. It's more that it's unfair that the organizers have hindered teams with these short turn arounds. Its the same for Fiji coming off their game against England and then having to shorten their prep to play Australia!

Not only is it tough on the minnows who already have an up hill battle, but it skews the results in the pool as these mid week games allow the top sides to pile on points against weakened sides, which could be key if it comes down to p/d.

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Post by LeinsterFan4life Wed 23 Sep 2015, 4:12 pm

Japan were more than competitive for 50 mins and missed a host of opportunities. With a better scrum and kicker and they will be a match for anyone.

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Post by Notch Wed 23 Sep 2015, 4:13 pm

That is just tired, tired tackling from Japan. They are on the canvas physically and have been for a while.
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Post by GunsGerms Wed 23 Sep 2015, 4:13 pm

Notch wrote:
GunsGerms wrote:Well done to Scotland for getting the job done. Favorites to top the group now?

For me South Africa should win their three remaining games and they picked up 2 bonus points against Japan, so they are still the favourites.

Scotland got a BP v Japan too. Does that not make them favorites?

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Post by Duty281 Wed 23 Sep 2015, 4:13 pm

Tough on Japan this. They haven't been as clinical as they were against the South Africans, and they have had numerous refereeing decisions go against them.

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Post by TightHEAD Wed 23 Sep 2015, 4:13 pm

RuggerRadge2611 wrote:
TightHEAD wrote:10 days! one extreme to another.

We have a 4 day turnaround before the USA, somehow I get the impression you'll be less sympathetic to us.

No, 4 days is ridiculous but you should have the depth to coup with two games against minnows. thumbsup
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Post by flyhalffactory Wed 23 Sep 2015, 4:14 pm

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Post by LordDowlais Wed 23 Sep 2015, 4:14 pm

brennomac wrote:with exception of Nigel

Why exempt him ?

He is one of the worst.

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Post by LeinsterFan4life Wed 23 Sep 2015, 4:14 pm

brennomac wrote:
maestegmafia wrote:
LordDowlais wrote:For all the people slagging off John Lacey, I say, welcome to the world of the Pro12. We have to put up with this crap every week. steam

Couldn't agree more[/quote

+1 - how Lacey didn't give Nel a card is beyond belief.  And yes, standard of reffing in Pro12 is dire - not just Lacey and Clancy. Sco and Wal refs - with exception of Nigel - are uniformly sh1te too.
not to mention the refs in England and France too. This isn't a Pro 12 only problem....

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Post by LordDowlais Wed 23 Sep 2015, 4:15 pm

LeinsterFan4life wrote:This isn't a Pro 12 only problem....

Pro12 refs are a country mile behind any of the other leagues refs.

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Post by Pot Hale Wed 23 Sep 2015, 4:16 pm

Well done Scotland - keep the foot on the throat and ratchet up the points difference.
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Post by SecretFly Wed 23 Sep 2015, 4:16 pm

Let's not drag Pro12 into the WC!!!! Obsession!

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Post by maestegmafia Wed 23 Sep 2015, 4:16 pm

TightHEAD wrote:
RuggerRadge2611 wrote:
TightHEAD wrote:10 days! one extreme to another.

We have a 4 day turnaround before the USA, somehow I get the impression you'll be less sympathetic to us.

No, 4 days is ridiculous but you should have the depth to coup with two games against minnows. thumbsup

It's pretty harsh on Japan but the scots are playing some good rugby.

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Post by LordDowlais Wed 23 Sep 2015, 4:16 pm

SecretFly wrote:Let's not drag Pro12 into the WC!!!!  Obsession!

I agree.

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Post by VinceWLB Wed 23 Sep 2015, 4:17 pm

Laidlaw should know the rules better lol

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Post by RuggerRadge2611 Wed 23 Sep 2015, 4:17 pm


Mate,  we are minnows.

Our history belays how poorly we have taken to the professional era. Compare our player pool resources to the likes of France, England, New Zealand, Australia and Ireland.
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Post by LeinsterFan4life Wed 23 Sep 2015, 4:18 pm

LordDowlais wrote:
LeinsterFan4life wrote:This isn't a Pro 12 only problem....

Pro12 refs are a country mile behind any of the other leagues refs.
Name these great refs in the other leagues?

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Post by Notch Wed 23 Sep 2015, 4:18 pm

GunsGerms wrote:
Notch wrote:
GunsGerms wrote:Well done to Scotland for getting the job done. Favorites to top the group now?

For me South Africa should win their three remaining games and they picked up 2 bonus points against Japan, so they are still the favourites.

Scotland got a BP v Japan too. Does that not make them favorites?

I reckon South Africa will get 15 or 16 points from this group. Scotland have 5 now, I would back them to get another 5 against the USA but I can't see them beating South Africa and even if they get a LBP I can't see them getting four tries against Samoa. That puts them on 14 or 15 with South Africa winning the head to head.

Thats my prediction, I might be proven wrong. Maybe Scotland will beat an ageing and disunited Springbok side. I'd actually be delighted if they did win that game. But I don't see South Africa letting anyone else upset them in this group.
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